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Trust your instincts...
« on: January 9, 2007, 12:04:05 pm »
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #1 on: January 9, 2007, 12:11:09 pm »
My uncle wrote a piece in the Guardian about this last summer. I'll try and find it.

Edit: Found it.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/research/improbable/story/0,,1858809,00.html

Trust your instincts


The evidence seems to be that the conscious mind isn't much use in making hard decisions

Johnjoe McFadden
Saturday August 26, 2006
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Do you really need that flat-pack wardrobe or would the foldaway futon be a better buy? Why not have lunch and think about it? Then you might need to choose between pickled herring or Swedish meatballs. Everywhere we are confronted with difficult choices. In Luke Rhinehart's novel The Dice Man, the eponymous hero makes all his decisions by rolling a dice. Few of us would trust to a life ruled by chance, so we tend to think carefully about the complex decisions (the wardrobe or the futon) but are content to trust our instincts with the simpler things (meatballs or herring). New research by Ap Dijksterhuis and his colleagues at the University of Amsterdam suggests that we would be better off thinking about the simple choices, and leaving the life-changing decisions to our unconscious mind.

Dijksterhuis asked his test subjects to choose between four hypothetical cars on the basis of a set of specifications (whether the car had a sunroof, low mileage, etc) that could be either simple (only four specifications) or complex (12 specifications). One group was given four minutes to consider the problem; the other group was shown the specification and then immediately distracted by another task. Surprisingly, the subjects with plenty of time to think fared better when faced with a simple decision (four specifications) but worse when the problem was more complex (12 specifications).

This and other similar experiments go to the heart of the vexing question of whether consciousness is any use to us. Our brain seems to be split between the actions we can take with little or no conscious control (although scientists prefer to talk about "attention"), such as riding a bike, and those that require conscious attention, such as arithmetic. We tend to think of our unconscious mind as the more primitive arm of cognition, with consciousness in reserve for the hard problems. But Dijksterhuis's research suggests we have it the wrong way around.

If our conscious mind isn't much use for making hard decisions, what is it good for? It may seem that our voluntary actions are driven by consciousness, but many scientists believe this is an illusion. Nearly a century ago the evolutionary biologist Thomas Huxley argued that consciousness has no more influence on our actions than a steam whistle has on the locomotion of a train. This view was boosted in recent years by the neurobiologist Benjamin Libet at the University of California. In an experiment he asked subjects to perform a simple task, eg wiggle their little finger, at a time of their own choosing, and measured accompanying brain activity. Surprisingly, Libet could detect brain activity that predicted imminent finger wiggling nearly half a second before the subjects were aware they had decided to wiggle their finger!

Libet's experiments suggested that our brain makes up its mind long (in neurobiological terms) before we become aware of any conscious intention to act. Consciousness seems to be a mere bystander with just an illusion of control. Where does this leave free will or personal responsibility?

Dijksterhuis points out that consciousness is good at following precise rules - arithmetic, solving anagrams, etc - but has only limited capacity for handling more complex problems. He proposes the "deliberation without attention" hypothesis, whereby complex problems are best solved by the parallel-computing capabilities of the unconscious mind. So bear this in mind the next time you need to choose between the flat-pack wardrobe and the futon: trust your instincts.

· Johnjoe McFadden is professor of molecular genetics at the University of Surrey
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #2 on: January 9, 2007, 12:13:41 pm »
My uncle wrote a piece in the Guardian about this last summer. I'll try and find it.

Did he have a lot of thinking time ;)

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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #3 on: January 9, 2007, 12:20:00 pm »
From my experience snap decisions usually means being impulsive.....i am the most impulsive i know and as a consequence end up in the poo more often than not.... ::)

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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #4 on: January 9, 2007, 12:22:54 pm »
I'm very instinctive. Woo!
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #5 on: January 9, 2007, 12:22:54 pm »
I tend to go with my instincts, it leads to some very interesting situations, will prob get me in the shit one day tho!

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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #6 on: January 9, 2007, 12:30:23 pm »
im not impulsive at all. i tend to stop and think 'but what if'. something my missus hates about me

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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #7 on: January 9, 2007, 01:05:27 pm »
I used to be very impulsive but now i think too much and i think i have missed out since i stopped being impulsive.

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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #8 on: January 9, 2007, 01:09:11 pm »
Erm.......errr.....

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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #9 on: January 9, 2007, 01:11:34 pm »
snap decisions.

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« Reply #10 on: January 9, 2007, 01:16:28 pm »
Just do what you want.
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #11 on: January 9, 2007, 02:44:22 pm »
Follow your heart!
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #12 on: January 9, 2007, 02:46:52 pm »
I always go with my instincts. Especially in pub quizzes and relationships.

In other news, what the eff sort of name for an adult is "Johnjoe" ?


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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #13 on: January 9, 2007, 02:47:11 pm »
I tend to focus on all the negatives and if the negatives seem daunting then i tend to go with them. I think my impulsive side only comes out when I want to buy something
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« Reply #14 on: January 9, 2007, 03:05:57 pm »
wish i had when reading this thread.
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« Reply #15 on: January 9, 2007, 03:08:43 pm »
I guess I am a quite instinctive chap, now that I think about it. ;D

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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #16 on: January 9, 2007, 03:08:57 pm »
In other news, what the eff sort of name for an adult is "Johnjoe" ?

Hey, thats my Uncle your talking about.

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« Reply #17 on: January 9, 2007, 03:13:31 pm »
I'm not sure how naturally a bit of research about which side of the screen an image is on leads into a discussion of how impulsive people are :D

Individually 2 interesting things though ;)

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« Reply #18 on: January 9, 2007, 06:31:00 pm »
I go with my instincts, generally.
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #19 on: January 9, 2007, 06:33:10 pm »
I go with my instincts, generally.


I always go with me , I think.
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« Reply #20 on: January 9, 2007, 06:33:15 pm »
I definitely always go with my first instincts...

...unless I have time to think about it and change my mind!
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« Reply #21 on: January 9, 2007, 06:50:59 pm »
I think we all are beginning to use and follow our intuition.  There is a lot of pyshcic energy about as we enter into the next epoch.

We are becoming multisensory beings.
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #22 on: January 9, 2007, 06:54:26 pm »
I trust my instincts too much sometimes  :-\

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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2007, 05:42:19 am »
I trust my instincts too much sometimes  :-\

Did you look down Brad's mum's top again?
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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2007, 11:59:03 am »
I tend to go with my instincts, it leads to some very interesting situations, will prob get me in the shit one day tho!

Funny how what you post comes true, fucking instincts, wont be trusting them again!

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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2007, 12:47:39 pm »
Funny how what you post comes true, fucking instincts, wont be trusting them again!

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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2007, 04:43:53 pm »
I trust my instincts too much sometimes  :-\

Same here - and they're crap too.
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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2007, 04:52:13 pm »
I've been told "You're not always right, but you're always sure"

Instincts rule.
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2007, 09:16:21 pm »
I always go with my instincts. Especially in pub quizzes and relationships.

In other news, what the eff sort of name for an adult is "Johnjoe" ?





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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #29 on: January 1, 2023, 12:08:11 pm »
Happy New Year folks, welcome to 2023.

Random one, but do you believe in 'gut instinct' or 'Intuition'? I booked a few days in Reykjavik for next week to travel alone, but for weeks I've this feeling of something isn't right, not to go, I wouldn't enjoy it. Something I can't put my finger on. I've had gut feelings like this before, mostly over meeting someone for the first time, applying for jobs or other changes but this is a first.

Yes, I badly want to see the Northern Lights, but at the moment due to my fitness, all I would spend the four days doing is sitting in a bar paying expensive prices.

I've gone and cancelled this morning, will probably take a hit on the air ticket or maybe get something back, but I've always followed my gut instinct.
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #30 on: January 1, 2023, 12:16:21 pm »
Happy New Year folks, welcome to 2023.

Random one, but do you believe in 'gut instinct' or 'Intuition'? I booked a few days in Reykjavik for next week to travel alone, but for weeks I've this feeling of something isn't right, not to go, I wouldn't enjoy it. Something I can't put my finger on. I've had gut feelings like this before, mostly over meeting someone for the first time, applying for jobs or other changes but this is a first.

Yes, I badly want to see the Northern Lights, but at the moment due to my fitness, all I would spend the four days doing is sitting in a bar paying expensive prices.

I've gone and cancelled this morning, will probably take a hit on the air ticket or maybe get something back, but I've always followed my gut instinct.

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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #31 on: January 1, 2023, 02:04:29 pm »
Happy New Year folks, welcome to 2023.

Random one, but do you believe in 'gut instinct' or 'Intuition'? I booked a few days in Reykjavik for next week to travel alone, but for weeks I've this feeling of something isn't right, not to go, I wouldn't enjoy it. Something I can't put my finger on. I've had gut feelings like this before, mostly over meeting someone for the first time, applying for jobs or other changes but this is a first.

Yes, I badly want to see the Northern Lights, but at the moment due to my fitness, all I would spend the four days doing is sitting in a bar paying expensive prices.

I've gone and cancelled this morning, will probably take a hit on the air ticket or maybe get something back, but I've always followed my gut instinct.

Yep, usually right before something goes to shit. Had it just before a huge car crash, before a motorbike crash and plenty of other occasions. As Deb says, always trust your gut
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #32 on: January 1, 2023, 02:17:23 pm »
Suspect gut instinct is subject to a lot of confirmation bias. When your gut instinct turns out to be correct, you'll credit it to gut instinct being a real thing, but not vice versa when it turns out to be incorrect, leading to a belief that it is more valuable than it really is.

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« Reply #33 on: January 1, 2023, 02:41:41 pm »
Suspect gut instinct is subject to a lot of confirmation bias. When your gut instinct turns out to be correct, you'll credit it to gut instinct being a real thing, but not vice versa when it turns out to be incorrect, leading to a belief that it is more valuable than it really is.

With my car crash, I heard a voice in my head that said "don't overtake, you won't make the end of the road", I ignored it, as I was 22 and a bit of a loon and about 10 seconds later I destroyed a taxi that pulled out of a side road and wrote my Capri off. It was 11:30pm and the road that the taxi came out of was the way into Moss Side mental hozzy (now know as Ashworth) and there was no way I could see the car, so it wasn't that I'd subconciously been aware of it.

With the bike, I bought it in August 1996, my then G/F hated it on first sight, she said it was evil, was going to hurt me and to take it back. She wanted to get my ZZR1100 back. I had loads of near misses on that bike and they day I got knocked off it, I had a strange feeling for a long time before the crash that something was going to go worng, which I never used to have on bikes. The bike then got stolen a month later.
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #34 on: January 1, 2023, 02:48:27 pm »
With my car crash, I heard a voice in my head that said "don't overtake, you won't make the end of the road", I ignored it, as I was 22 and a bit of a loon and about 10 seconds later I destroyed a taxi that pulled out of a side road and wrote my Capri off. It was 11:30pm and the road that the taxi came out of was the way into Moss Side mental hozzy (now know as Ashworth) and there was no way I could see the car, so it wasn't that I'd subconciously been aware of it.

With the bike, I bought it in August 1996, my then G/F hated it on first sight, she said it was evil, was going to hurt me and to take it back. She wanted to get my ZZR1100 back. I had loads of near misses on that bike and they day I got knocked off it, I had a strange feeling for a long time before the crash that something was going to go worng, which I never used to have on bikes. The bike then got stolen a month later.
Yeah I knew something was wrong the night I had my bike crash. I felt it on the edge of my consciousness, but because it was nothing clear I went out anyway...

I suspect there is some confirmation bias in the idea of 'gut instinct' but I think there's also a component whereby your brain is gathering little clues and bits of information - about the situation, the context and also about you and your mental and emotional state - which it can't put a clear label on but which register as 'not right' to it in some way. You mind can't tell you exactly what is wrong but it knows that things aren't right somehow and so manifests a feeling which we call gut instinct.

I guess it can happen the other way, too; about something positive
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #35 on: January 1, 2023, 02:54:17 pm »
I've had that gut feeling a few times, the most memorable though was when I was in Bali on a scuba dive. First dive of the day just everything leading up to it went wrong. Couldn't get the zipper properly closed on my wetsuit so had to redo it a couple times, burst a seal in my tank, had to get that redone, then dropped my mask and almost cracked it.

By the time we got to the first dive spot something just said "Do not go down for this dive" , now keep in mind I had paid a ton of money to be there, but just something convinced me not to go on that first dive, so I stayed up on the boat and everyone else went down. Rest of the day turned out fine, but who knows what would have happened had I gone.

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« Reply #36 on: January 1, 2023, 03:05:37 pm »
ages ago a bunch of ppl I worked with planned a weekend "try parachuting" day.  I was signed up but as the day got closer I decided not to go, just didn't feel right.

on the Monday morning one of the guys arrived back in work on crutches.  he and I were similar size (i.e. bigger than all others going on the trip) and he was told - after he broke his leg in several places of course - that the parachutes weren't strong enough for people his weight.

dodged a big bullet there.

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« Reply #37 on: January 1, 2023, 03:06:50 pm »
Yeah I knew something was wrong the night I had my bike crash. I felt it on the edge of my consciousness, but because it was nothing clear I went out anyway...

I suspect there is some confirmation bias in the idea of 'gut instinct' but I think there's also a component whereby your brain is gathering little clues and bits of information - about the situation, the context and also about you and your mental and emotional state - which it can't put a clear label on but which register as 'not right' to it in some way. You mind can't tell you exactly what is wrong but it knows that things aren't right somehow and so manifests a feeling which we call gut instinct.

I guess it can happen the other way, too; about something positive

I believe its because we aren't an apex predator, I mean we get battered by domestics cats ffs, so we still have that survival instinct that prey animals have and for whatever reason, we can "sense" danger.
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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #38 on: January 1, 2023, 03:40:29 pm »
The gut instinct has been very useful for me in terms of staying out of trouble. Plenty of times in town when I was younger, this 'feeling' used to kick in just before a night out would kick off. That early warning system saved me a few batterings, for sure. I'd hear the stories later and ask others why didn't you get out of the way and they'd say that they just didn't see it coming.


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Re: Trust your instincts...
« Reply #39 on: January 1, 2023, 09:23:02 pm »
Glad to see a few of us are singing from the same sheet. I can't put my finger on it, just something that says don't go.

Anyway, the airline won't refund me the full amount, only airport taxes, so took a hit for about £100, but for peace of mind its worth it.
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