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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2018, 10:18:48 pm »
yeah this is a brilliant documentary, his family are something else though

Yeah... His brother I think still has a warrant out in Texas.

His classmates too. 

There is a little cabal, all coming from the same high school (Rockhurst) that got into the payday lending business, five or six either have landed in jail or left the community entirely.  Some of the biggest wealth creation in Prairie Village (a little affluent community) has happened in the last 5-7 years.  Pretty sick stuff, as it divorces the wealthy of seeing the impact of their loans on entire communities.
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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2018, 12:31:46 am »
There is show on Netflix --- called Dirty Money.

Here in Kansas City (about 5 miles from our home), lived a guy named Scott Tucker --- his story is one of six detailed as he built an empire here in the Midwest USA --- on payday loans (usury).   Crazy as he became a race driver with the proceeds. 

Such a sick culture -- and the origins go back to 1990's and Clinton.

Anyhow, if you want to raise your blood pressure a bit -- check it out

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Looks like a great watch these

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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2018, 12:26:19 pm »
There is show on Netflix --- called Dirty Money.

Here in Kansas City (about 5 miles from our home), lived a guy named Scott Tucker --- his story is one of six detailed as he built an empire here in the Midwest USA --- on payday loans (usury).   Crazy as he became a race driver with the proceeds. 

Such a sick culture -- and the origins go back to 1990's and Clinton.

Anyhow, if you want to raise your blood pressure a bit -- check it out

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/CsplLiZHbj0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/CsplLiZHbj0</a>

Could you explain what you mean by it going back to the nineties. Usury is mentioned in the bible and loan sharks have been around for decades. In the UK I had a loan with the Provident back in the 80s. They were a payday loan company lending small amounts for ridiculously high rates to see you through to the next payday.
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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2018, 04:39:56 pm »
Could you explain what you mean by it going back to the nineties. Usury is mentioned in the bible and loan sharks have been around for decades. In the UK I had a loan with the Provident back in the 80s. They were a payday loan company lending small amounts for ridiculously high rates to see you through to the next payday.

Alan, this is a very good point you make.  The history of usury is much longer than just the time period I pointed out in the post.

If you'll allow me to digress for a few decades before and after, I'll get to my main issue with why the early 1990's were so critical in the rise of predatory lending (often not discussed in the literature).

Three resources that have been invaluable in helping me understand this history are:

1.  The Secret History of the Credit Card - Frontline (PBS) https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/secret-history-of-the-credit-card/
2.  Howard Karger's Book - Shortchanged: Life & Debt in the Fringe Economy
3.  (pdf) Flannery & Samolyk (2005) - Payday Loans: Do the Costs Justify the Price (Free FDIC - working paper online)

Plus, my colleagues and I did a small study in the state of Michigan (qualitative research) interviewing payday lenders (individual operators) and unearthing how they came into the industry. This informed my view significantly, but I'll save those resources for another time.

A couple of points that need to be made at the outset - one which you cite excellently.

A) History of usurious lending is a long one and deeply connected to the prevention of trans-generational wealth accumulation, often targeting groups of people based upon culture, religion, income, gender or ethnicity.  The location density of these lenders is predominantly in working and poorer neighborhoods where unbanked populations reside.

B) In the US, there is a history of resisting usury (Usury laws federal and state statutes), as well as recent entity charged with helping consumers try to eliminate this kind of product from their financial diets CFPB (consumer financial protection bureau --- Brain child of Elizabeth Warren).

C) The recent last 35 years are critical in understanding how these institutions have proliferated so much in light of A & B


Critical Events

The secret history of credit card discusses how banks in the US in the late 70's were struggling to make a profit (almost out of business said the CEO Citibank (Walter Wriston) at the time with inflation, bank savings rates in the upper double digits, and petro-dollars flooding the global economy after moving to the dollar as the world's reserve currency - off the gold standard).  So they got their research team together and decided to wage a war on individual states with the weakest usury laws (South Dakota and Delaware were two of them).   

The idea was to redomicile financial institutions charter (where they officially register their companies) from New York to states with no or weak usury regulation.  At this time, there was a great deal of discussion about beginning the process of financialization (or deregulating financial markets so that new oligopolies could form) as a means to stay competitive in the global market place.  Their thinking was: "someone is going to do this, it should be us".   The central idea by NY banks was how can we create a mechanism to export debt using a bank charter as foundation, but also demonstrate their reach into global markets by mission creep.

This resulted in the Marquette Decision of 1978 (Marquette National Bank in Minnesota vs. First Bank of Omaha)

a Supreme Court decision ruled that state anti-usury laws could not enforce against nationally-chartered banks in other states. This decision upheld the constitutionality of the National Bank Act, permitting chartered banks to charge their highest home-state interest rates in any state in which they operated. Subsequently, as payday lenders were partnering with banks and seeing their product repackaged as ‘bank loans’, some lenders were setting up shop in states where usury laws were more relaxed and lending to people in states where usury laws were tighter, but effectively overriden.

This decision created a loophole that the credit card would fill --- making all major banks much more healthy almost immediately by 1983 as they domiciled their banks in states with the weakest usury enforcement and regulation.  Even today, credit card companies dominate South Dakota and Delaware as the main engines of business for these states ----> directly connected to the Marquette Decision.

As a result, this ruling plus the wave of deregulations all over the financial industry (junk bonds, risk S&L loans) led to smaller community banks going out of business in droves or being bought out by new regional powerhouse banks buying up all the smaller community assets and having their stocks double and triple as a result.

So, two things here to follow. 

First, the laws were moving away from regulation and protecting against usury.   

In financial milieus, this signaled to the financiers that it would now be more profitable (like tabacco industry) to lend to the public at high interest rates and string them along like a debt junkie and prosecute them if they cannot pay (develop FICO scores to legitimize individual credit, and punish this score if repayment is not made on credit cards) than to create a model customer who meets the needs of the product and will have a high likelihood of paying back the debt.   BIG BIG signal here in the 80's.   It created a gigantic hole for the industry to begin peeling away at regulatory infrastructure on usury for later businesses to run rampant.

Second, there was a huge vacuum left by community banks when they failed or moved to the big city.  This left hundreds of thousands in America unbanked.  So, now not only did the banks have a new product (credit cards driving profit-based consumption) but they were making in-roads to destroying solid regulation and left a population in the wake without access to local, trusted banking. 

By the late 1980's, this vacuum was starting to get filled by fringe banking businesses.  When it was clear that larger banks were comfortable selling debt to large swathes of the population --- seeing the profitability, the very large banks soon began to align with these fringe banking entities (often small business like check cashing outlets, payday lenders, and family owned pawn shops).   All of the work of Thomas Dewey in the 40's, new deal legislation around the separation of commercial and consumer banking in late 20's (Glass-Stegall) were now under attack by death from 1000 cuts.

This led to a showdown in many US states (some the industry won and some they lost) but the high-interest loan industry was just getting going.  It was at this crucial juncture where many of the recent gains could have been snipped in its infancy, but many advisors in the Clinton administration wanted a bigger slice of the economy coming to the financial sector (Robert Rubin --- Citigroup/Travelers merger - was the last cut in Glass Stegall) and a big signal to fringe lenders that there is no sheriff in town.

Other Crucial Events

Businesses started migrating to where the regulations were the weakest -- i.e. overseas (London & UK)

"By the early 1990s, large parts of the industry had exported their product to the UK, most notably The Money Shop, which opened its first UK shop in 1992, slowly expanding its estate to 273 by 2009, even before the effects of the credit crunch were being keenly felt in people's pockets. It's interesting that the payday lending market in the UK is still dominated by large US businesses, with five of the seven largest UK payday lenders controlled by US companies." https://www.newstatesman.com/2014/03/sponsored-post-history-payday-loans
 
In states like Tennessee, we saw the Allan Jones (Check-into-Cash) fame build the largest payday lending firm in the country. 

They sprung up everywhere -- 1990's saw the rise of store fronts from 500 at the beginning to over 22,000 -- more than McNasty's or Starbucks.  This kind of proliferation of supply, vacuum created by a regulatory loophole, and mirroring of the financialized contempt for the consumer from the credit card, meant that the millions of unbanked customers were funneled into a system they did not understand nor were prepared to handle.  And it was our politicians and a few economists at the time which suggested the free market works best with fewer regulations as the corporations were the good guys.  Repainting usury as creative destruction.  Some real bullshit.

So, the industry had new markets home and abroad, new political clout aligning with larger banks (never using their direct name or cache mind you) and were putting a whole generation of americans through the financial ringer (as we all know, there is no getting out of unsustainable debt rolled over getting interest at 20% let alone 400%).  Their decades of profits now fund political action groups, specific research to promote their use, and few pundits exclaiming their virtues.

Consumer advocates have been playing a game of catch up ever since as the best way to fight this is to get a very powerful congressman or senator to establish state laws prohibiting their use (often appealing to the moral sense of a politician does not bode well). 

And by 2010, the internet became the sphicter of the industry, almost suddenly forming these tremendously foul loans for customers online to pass through, not being able to decipher the most basic of loan terms, and issues that arise when one is indebted to a private financial company.

One very interesting aspect here in the states is that there is quite a bit of blow back in the recent 5 years.  CFPB, Scott Tucker arrest etc..

In answering your question, what is it about the 1990's that was different in this history of this kind of predatory loan? 

It was the utter and total recklessness of a variety of decisions which paved the way for the industry's massive growth, amplified the product's profitability as there was a race to the top interest rate in the industry in some places, all while they popped up in neighborhoods where resources were scarce already, and had a high percentage of people without financial literacy nor a history of managing resources (i.e. redlining issues, and a history of poor access to credit --- this amplified the idea of "I need to get mine" as there was no way they would have lent to a single mom, a person of color or an immigrant previously in the 70's when credit was tighter (and white men decided who got it and who did not).

https://www.revealnews.org/article/for-people-of-color-banks-are-shutting-the-door-to-homeownership/

The ascendance of this product travels the same trajectory as gambling in our country.  Before 1990's, the only two places one could gamble legally was in Vegas and Atlantic City.  Anti-regulatory mission creep occurred here as well and now is sanctioned all throughout our society, often impacting the poorest communities with the least amount of education.

My own stories with payday lending research?  Well, lets just say that the owner shared with me that after one week in a new business, he knew he would never leave it by choice.   He was making $30K as a janitor and his annual income jumped 10 fold --- as he became known in his community as someone who could "help"....  Pretty interesting how our society prays on people to make choices maybe they would not make otherwise if there were social investments.

Anyhow, thanks for the question.  Apologize for the long winded nature of the response. :)
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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2018, 08:28:40 am »
Thanks for that - can't read it today but will try and do so over the weekend. Don't apologise for the length of the reply.
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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2018, 08:21:37 pm »
Thanks for that - can't read it today but will try and do so over the weekend. Don't apologise for the length of the reply.

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« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2018, 08:27:02 pm »
Old fashioned loan sharks with fancy websites. The scum of the earth.
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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2018, 08:37:54 pm »
Old fashioned loan sharks with fancy websites. The scum of the earth.

This is what really put the industry into profits (on steroids).... 

1.  Poor regulation and enforcement
2.  24 hour stop shop
3.  Efficiency of scale (interacting with customer)
4.  Data Mining -  Once in, Never out


Makes you wonder why if there are some serious Russian Hackers, why not have them destroy this industry top down!!!
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2018, 12:17:53 am »
Slightly off topic but did anyone see Killed by My Debt on tv the other night.

Around a year ago, my wife and I had dealings with Newlyn PLC, the debt recovery firm from the drama, just like in the drama it was due to a driving enforcement notice issued by a London borough (in our case, the council did not check DVLA records and were sending the notice to our old home). I can vouch for the fact that they are every bit as difficult and underhand as they were on the show, they would not tell me why we owed the money only we had to pay it. In our case, the story has a happy ending, being a tenacious sod when I want to be, I contacted the council directly and agreed to pay only the original fine.

Thankfully my wife and I are not vulnerable people, but even now it makes my blood boil how the likes of Newlyn go after people in clear dire straits. To paraphrase Withnail, I wish them and their ilk a pain so bad it would make a brain tumour seem like a birthday present.
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« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2018, 02:48:50 pm »
Slightly off topic but did anyone see Killed by My Debt on tv the other night.

Around a year ago, my wife and I had dealings with Newlyn PLC, the debt recovery firm from the drama, just like in the drama it was due to a driving enforcement notice issued by a London borough (in our case, the council did not check DVLA records and were sending the notice to our old home). I can vouch for the fact that they are every bit as difficult and underhand as they were on the show, they would not tell me why we owed the money only we had to pay it. In our case, the story has a happy ending, being a tenacious sod when I want to be, I contacted the council directly and agreed to pay only the original fine.

Thankfully my wife and I are not vulnerable people, but even now it makes my blood boil how the likes of Newlyn go after people in clear dire straits. To paraphrase Withnail, I wish them and their ilk a pain so bad it would make a brain tumour seem like a birthday present.


You know, its been my experience that the populations who are most likely to develop a brain tumor are those who are most exposed to carcinogens.   And the people who develop, market and profit off these kinds of loans, almost exclusively live in an areas where the water is cleaner, air is less polluted, and the age expectancy is above the average.   Location, location, location = life expectancy.  In fact here in the States, zip codes are a big predictor of health.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/zip-code-better-predictor-of-health-than-genetic-code/

Vulnerable consumers are exposed in almost every aspect of society starting with location, housing, and moving into other domains like savings, access to reasonable/timely healthcare, invested education, and public space (noisy).

Here is a summary of fantastic documentary called -  Unnatural Causes

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/uE7v5cHlHDQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/uE7v5cHlHDQ</a>


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If we want to do them damage --- then ruin their business models.  One way to do this is a massive shaming event or a plan for an entire country to take out a payday loan (every eligible citizen within a month) and then never pay them back. 

They cannot ruin everyone's credit --- and it would make them have to change their model, but they are supported by big banks so it would have to be done creatively and with stealth. 

What is needed is a fracture event.  Make them play defense in ways they hadn't planned (taking time and resources) exposing their weak underbelly.
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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2018, 10:03:11 pm »
I watched that Dirty Money documentary. Those three scumbags riled me up. They genuinely don't think they did anything wrong. The lack of remorse is staggering. Glad Tucker and his c*nt lawyer got done.  :wanker :wanker :wanker

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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2018, 10:37:28 pm »
I watched that Dirty Money documentary. Those three scumbags riled me up. They genuinely don't think they did anything wrong. The lack of remorse is staggering. Glad Tucker and his c*nt lawyer got done.  :wanker :wanker :wanker

Me too, mate.  It is the total lack of empathy for people that gets me (communities are not to be shared, but plundered).   

I moved into the KC area about 5 years ago from Michigan and did not realize how pervasive the industry was here.

I would be driving through some of these neighborhoods trying to figure out the area --- and invariably you would come up to these McMansions being built from what used to be middle class homes (frames and property) and they would start putting fountains in their front yards, statues and building these monstrosities.   No payday lending store fronts here.   But 5 miles on either side, you would find them embedded on the commercial streets and pasted all along main thoroughfares.

Come to find out, many of the owners went the same local high schools together and built their business plan on usury early on --- feeling entitled to cash in on the laws and hard work bullshit etc....  Of course the local churches and schools took "dirty money" ignoring how it was sucking the financial life forces out of their parishioners and student's families. 

There is a relatively new financial product that is moving in on the next wave of screw over your customers --- they are called Reverse Mortgages --- another time I'll explain why they are so predatory.  Currently, they are still in test marketing of these products trying to figure out how to the get the public dependent upon them.

So messed up.
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Re: Payday Loan Companies
« Reply #52 on: August 2, 2018, 01:58:58 pm »
More in from California ---


Once again, California lawmakers won’t crack down on payday lenders

By Antoinette Siu | July 31, 2018 | ECONOMY


When phone bank worker Melissa Mendez, age 26, felt financially squeezed a few months ago—“I was short on cash and needed to pay rent”—she walked into a Cash 1 storefront in Sacramento and took out a payday loan. The annual interest rate: 460 percent.

That rate would shock a lot of people. Not Mendez, who once worked behind the counter at an outpost of the lending giant Advance America. She had fielded applications for short-term loans from all sorts of people: seniors needing more money because their Social Security check wasn’t cutting it, people in between jobs and waiting for a first paycheck, and people like herself, lacking enough savings to get to the end of the month.

Unlike Mendez, many desperate people don’t know what they’re signing on to—often agreeing to aggressive collection practices, inflexible repayment options and exorbitant interest. “They just point at stuff and walk through it really fast,” she said. “A lot of people just see the money and they don’t see the interest rates.”

In California, 1 in 20 people a year take out a payday loan, amounting to $2.9 billion annually. Payday lending has grown into a multi-billion-dollar industry, fueled by triple-digit interest rates, steep transaction fees and the pervasiveness of its hundreds of stores across the state.

One Cal State study found California now has more payday lenders than it does McDonald’s.

Yet while some states ban payday loan storefronts completely or significantly restrict their operations, California is one of 26 states allowing loans with annual percentage rates higher than 391 percent on loans that must be fully repaid within two weeks. Otherwise, borrowers face collection calls, overdrafting their accounts or even a court order when they default.

Given the opportunity to crack down on predatory lending, the California Legislature has buried at least five bills intended to curb the practice. These would have capped interest rates on loans, extended repayment time or offered installment plans to borrowers. Among them:

AB 3010: Authored in 2018 by Assemblywoman Monique Limón, D-Goleta, it sought to restrict people from taking out more than one payday loan at a time, and proposed creating a database requiring licensed lenders to record their loan transactions. Without the votes, Limón pulled the bill.
   
AB 2953: Also authored by Limón in 2018, it aimed to stop lenders from charging more than 36 percent on auto-title loans, also known as pink-slip loans, but failed to secure enough votes to advance in the Senate.
   
AB 2500: Authored in 2018 by Assemblyman Ash Kalra, D-San Jose, the bill aimed to cap interest rates at 36 percent for installment loans between $2,500 and $5,000. It died on the Assembly floor.
   
SB 365: Authored by Sen. Alan Lowenthal, D-Long Beach, in 2011, the bill proposed creating a payday loan database, but it also languished.
   
SB 515: This 2014 bill by Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara, aimed to extend the minimum length of a payday loan and require lenders to offer installment plans, as well as develop a database and cap loans at four per year per borrower. It died in committee.

Limón said this year, as in previous years, the billion-dollar lending industry has gotten its way. Both of her bills faced heavy opposition early on, and she refused to make changes that would have mollified the industry.

But this year’s effort was “historic” in that it was the first time bills of this sort passed out of their originating houses, she told CALmatters.

“We knew this was something that was going to push the envelope, but we felt it was important to introduce this,” Limón said. “So long as there is a problem, I think California will be having a discussion about it.”

Among those voting against Limón’s AB 3010 was Assemblyman Kevin Kiley, a Roseville Republican. After questioning the notion of limiting each person to one payday loan, he said creation of a database “seems like quite an undertaking. There’s privacy concerns, apparently issues of reliability, potential liability for the state.”

Other states have taken firmer steps in recent years to cut down on predatory lending. New York prohibits payday lending through criminal usury statutes, which outlaw loan interest of 25 percent or more. Arkansas’s state constitution caps rates at 17 percent. Most other states that have a ceiling limit lenders to 36 percent.

“(California) needs to innovate in order to bring in lower prices for consumers,” said Nick Bourke, director of consumer finance at Pew Charitable Trusts, which has studied predatory lending nationwide.

“Conventional payday loans are not helping them when the problem comes back two weeks later. If credit is going to be part of the solution, the only way is if it’s structured to be installments with affordable rates.”

But payday and pink-slip lending companies argue that what might look like predatory is in reality just operators in a risky business protecting themselves from customers happy to take their money but sometimes negligent about paying it back.

The California Financial Service Providers Association, the industry group that opposed Kalra’s bill, argued that lowering rates would hurt their profit margins and cause them to throttle back on issuing loans—driving consumers into the hands of unregulated lenders and services. The association represents some of the largest payday lenders in the country, including Advance America.

Advance America operates more than 2,000 stores in the U.S. and since 2004 has spent more than $1 million lobbying in California alone. The company did not respond to requests for comment.

“Investors consider the type of lending our member businesses conduct to be high-risk, resulting in a substantial cost for our members to borrow money that they ultimately lend to consumers,” the trade association wrote. “Additionally, our member businesses are in the communities they service and have significant premise and operating costs. Additionally, labor costs, the cost of underwriting and compliance, the cost of credit reporting, and the cost of defaults, all drive up the price of delivering the product to the consumer.”

In California, consumers can take out a payday loan of up to $300—actually only worth $255 when you factor in a $45 fee—that in most cases must be repaid in full in two weeks. But a borrower who can’t make the full payment frequently takes out another loan to keep covering other ongoing costs—and the cycle escalates. In 2016, 83 percent of the 11.5 million payday loans were taken out by a repeat borrower, a practice known as loan stacking.

The annual percentage rate, a way of measuring of how much the loan will cost in interest over a year, gives an idea of how much a borrower will end up paying if the loan remains unpaid for one year. So at an annual percentage rate of 460 percent, someone taking out $300 can end up paying back $1,380 in that year, not to mention fees that multiply on each additional loan.

So who uses payday loans?

Because they don’t require a credit score as prerequisite, they appeal to cash-strapped borrowers who can’t go to a regular bank. Payday lenders require only income and a checking account to hand out these loans.

State analysis also found payday lender storefronts are concentrated in places with high family poverty.

“A lot of families in California are suffering from income volatility and lack of emergency savings. California has a very real problem because conventional payday loans are really harming people more than helping people,” Bourke said.

More than 60 percent of payday storefronts are located in zip codes with higher family poverty rates than the rest of the state, according to California’s Department of Business Oversight. And nearly half are located where the poverty rate for African-Americans and Latinos is higher than the statewide poverty rate for those groups. Most borrowers make an average annual income between $10,000 to $40,000.

The state says the average interest rate for payday loan transactions was 377 percent last year—a slight increase over what it was the previous year. Licensed lenders reported collecting $436.4 million in fees—70 percent of that from borrowers who took out seven or more loans that year.

On average, Californians take out a loan of $250, but the often-unaffordable interest rates sometimes corner them into paying a fee to roll into another loan and extend the terms.

There are other options if borrowers need quick cash beyond the payday loan amount of $300—but they come with different risks.

In 2013, the state created a small-dollar loan program to regulate loans between $300 and $2,500. The state caps interest on those loans between 20 and 30 percent, but any loan above $2,500 is the “real Wild, Wild West,” said Graciela Aponte-Diaz, California policy director at the Center for Responsible Lending, a nonprofit focused on consumer lending.

“Loans between $2,500 to $5,000 have a 100 percent (annual interest rate). It’s detrimental for families who can’t pay it back, and 40 percent default,” she said.

The Center for Responsible Lending this year sponsored the Kalra bill, which unsuccessfully aimed to cap interest rates at 36 percent for installment loans between $2,500 and $5,000. It recently died on the Assembly floor.

“It has a lot to do with the industry and how much money they’re putting into efforts to killing it,” Aponte-Diaz added. “They hire all the top lobby firms to kill our bills.”

Other Facts of California's Payday Loan Ecology

1,705 licensed locations - licensed payday lenders

25% of borrowers took out 10 or more loans in 2017 - cycle of debt

32 to 41 - One-third of borrowers last year were in this age range

2 million Californians use a payday loan every year

Average Annual Percentage Rates are Creeping Up
       2013 - Interest rate 408%
       2014 - Interest rate 361%
       2015 - Interest rate 366%
       2016 - Interest rate 372 %
       2017 - Interest rate 377%

In 2017, payday loans totaled $2.9 billion

Source: California Department of Business Oversight, 2017
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Will be hilarious & ironic if they went out of business because no one gave them a loan, also what would the interest rate be? ;D

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Stopped giving out new loans. I suspect they are not long from collapse.  :D

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Stopped giving out new loans. I suspect they are not long from collapse.  :D

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45353334

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These refunds shouldn’t have hit Wonga as hard as all the others. All the other lenders agreed to the Financial Ombudsman’s request to consider refunds on unaffordable loans that were older than 6 years old. Wonga refused.

Any cases referred to the FO with refund claims over 6 years old have been on hold for a long time, up until a couple of months back that would have included me, but this was my last outstanding complaint and to wrap everything up I withdrew my complaint with the FO and took the refund Wonga had offered originally. Glad I did now as I may have ended up with nothing now.