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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1640 on: October 7, 2015, 11:48:48 am »
 FSG were giving Rodgers a chance this season, but think the final nail was the Carlisle game, a team from League 2 taking us to penalties at home, for me it was the Man Utd away shocking performance. Memories of Rodgers reign will be season 13-14 & battering teams for fun, notably Spurs away 5-0, The Bitters 4-0, Arsenal 5-1, Man Utd away 3-0.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1641 on: October 7, 2015, 12:03:06 pm »
I work with a whole bunch of Man Utd fans. Every one of them is totally gutted that Brendan is gone. Which kid of indicates that maybe it was time to move him on.

Yeah, some of them are shitting themselves a bit.

They know that they're not really very good under Van Gaal, but they thought top 4 was a shoe in as long as we still had Brendan in charge.

Klopp changes the picture considerably, and they're expecting to be pushed hard over the next few years.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1642 on: October 7, 2015, 12:12:04 pm »
It is not anti-success for a single man to have the final say on all footballing matters for the first team at a club. That was the power that Benitez had at Liverpool and we did not do too badly. The proviso however is that he must be able to bear that burden competently.

The actual amount of control Rafa had varied over his time at the club. The board refused to back him over signing young talents like Bale, Walcott, Ramsey and a few others. It's clear that Robbie Keane probably wasn't his first choice either.

When he was first appointed, Rafa's contract stated he was first team coach, not manager.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1643 on: October 7, 2015, 12:16:59 pm »
The actual amount of control Rafa had varied over his time at the club. The board refused to back him over signing young talents like Bale, Walcott, Ramsey and a few others. It's clear that Robbie Keane probably wasn't his first choice either.

When he was first appointed, Rafa's contract stated he was first team coach, not manager.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1644 on: October 7, 2015, 12:17:50 pm »
The actual amount of control Rafa had varied over his time at the club. The board refused to back him over signing young talents like Bale, Walcott, Ramsey and a few others. It's clear that Robbie Keane probably wasn't his first choice either.

When he was first appointed, Rafa's contract stated he was first team coach, not manager.

Rafa wanted Gareth Barry instead of Robbie Keane but the board wouldn't stump up the extra £2 million that Villa wanted for Barry which was peanuts even then. Rafas plan was to buy Barry first, then see if there was enough money for Keane.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1645 on: October 7, 2015, 12:26:51 pm »
United at home, Villa semi final, Stevie's last home game, 6 goals at Stoke.

After an awful start which could be excused due to Suarez and Sturridge being missing and all the new players bedding in, we had a promising middle to the season. But things went totally to shit again at the 'business end' of the season leaving Rodgers with a lot to prove.

1 win in 9 games which included West Ham, Norwich, Sion, and Carlisle did Rodgers no favours at all, and with Klopp available now and maybe not later, the move makes sense imho.

We don't know for sure that Klopp will average better than 5th place, but at least we can get behind the manager and the direction of the team with some hope again, because it was clear that hope had pretty much fizzled out at Anfield in recent weeks.

Is Rodgers' sacking harsh? Maybe. But it's one of the most prestigious and one of the most difficult jobs in world football. Life is tough.

In any case, Rodgers is a relentless source of inspiration to himself, so he'll be fine.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1646 on: October 7, 2015, 12:50:50 pm »
It is not anti-success for a single man to have the final say on all footballing matters for the first team at a club. That was the power that Benitez had at Liverpool and we did not do too badly. The proviso however is that he must be able to bear that burden competently.

In the end Rodgers' estimation of his ability was vastly in excess of reality. He was a sophomore manager who was still having his training wheels and he was fit only at best to be the manager of a mid level club like Swansea. He had potential but nowhere near as high as the British press and other local footballing figures thought he had. People always said he was a young manager for the honour of being Liverpool manager but Benitez for example was younger than him when he became manager and he had already by that time won two La Ligas and one European trophy. Rodgers was no wonderkind.

He had not earned the right to be manager of a club aspiring for the top 4 and European competition like Liverpool  and the pressure to perform in the end broke him.

Yeah under Rafa we picked up players from all over the world, which implies that while he may have had final say he trusted the staff around him to scout the globe competently and bring him their best finds. That said, Rafa fought for that power primarily because of how badly the club was run (Purslow selling/buying players after he left shows just what a mess it was). Rodgers fought for the power for no other reason than wanting full control for himself, despite the fact that he seemed to have no trust in his scouts and analysts to assist his efforts, instead preferring to pick his own English/'PL proven' talents. I still find this bizarre incidentally, as he was supposed to be quite progressive and he did bring his own analyst with him when he arrived I believe.

Klopp looks like someone willing to fight for the right targets, but also willing to use everything at the clubs disposal to find those targets, which can only bode well for us if it plays out as expected.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1647 on: October 7, 2015, 01:02:29 pm »
It is not anti-success for a single man to have the final say on all footballing matters for the first team at a club. That was the power that Benitez had at Liverpool and we did not do too badly. The proviso however is that he must be able to bear that burden competently.

In the end Rodgers' estimation of his ability was vastly in excess of reality. He was a sophomore manager who was still having his training wheels and he was fit only at best to be the manager of a mid level club like Swansea. He had potential but nowhere near as high as the British press and other local footballing figures thought he had. People always said he was a young manager for the honour of being Liverpool manager but Benitez for example was younger than him when he became manager and he had already by that time won two La Ligas and one European trophy. Rodgers was no wonderkind.

He had not earned the right to be manager of a club aspiring for the top 4 and European competition like Liverpool  and the pressure to perform in the end broke him.

Completely agree with the point of your post. So sorry for nit-picking  :-X but the bold part is not true, right ? Benitez would have been 44-45 when he joined us.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1648 on: October 7, 2015, 01:05:52 pm »
The actual amount of control Rafa had varied over his time at the club. The board refused to back him over signing young talents like Bale, Walcott, Ramsey and a few others. It's clear that Robbie Keane probably wasn't his first choice either.

When he was first appointed, Rafa's contract stated he was first team coach, not manager.

Yes admittedly the previously owners' obstructions did cost us so much - the number of stars we missed out as a result is frustrating. However, what I was particularly referring to was the fact hat there was no director of football or transfer committee.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1649 on: October 7, 2015, 01:07:37 pm »
Yeah under Rafa we picked up players from all over the world, which implies that while he may have had final say he trusted the staff around him to scout the globe competently and bring him their best finds. That said, Rafa fought for that power primarily because of how badly the club was run (Purslow selling/buying players after he left shows just what a mess it was). Rodgers fought for the power for no other reason than wanting full control for himself, despite the fact that he seemed to have no trust in his scouts and analysts to assist his efforts, instead preferring to pick his own English/'PL proven' talents. I still find this bizarre incidentally, as he was supposed to be quite progressive and he did bring his own analyst with him when he arrived I believe.

Klopp looks like someone willing to fight for the right targets, but also willing to use everything at the clubs disposal to find those targets, which can only bode well for us if it plays out as expected.

It would not have been a problem had Rodgers been as good at identifying talent as he evidently thought. Unfortunately he was quite awful at it. What success he did achieve was mainly based on players brought in by others.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1650 on: October 7, 2015, 01:10:02 pm »
Completely agree with the point of your post. So sorry for nit-picking  :-X but the bold part is not true, right ? Benitez would have been 44-45 when he joined us.

My apologies - you are quite right, Benitez was 44 at the time while Rodgers was 39 when he became manager of Liverpool.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1651 on: October 7, 2015, 01:37:49 pm »
Alves, Silva, Simao,

Slightly different situations, the price for Alves in particular just kept going up and up, we were right to fuck that one off.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1652 on: October 7, 2015, 01:42:08 pm »
Yes admittedly the previously owners' obstructions did cost us so much - the number of stars we missed out as a result is frustrating. However, what I was particularly referring to was the fact hat there was no director of football or transfer committee.

No, just a chairman making those decisions based on his own ideas. No manager has complete control, and every club has a situation something like the "transfer committee" where the scouts, manager and directors all have some say in who to go after.

But call that a committee and everyone goes nuts.

Now, clearly there have been problems here, but the vogue to blame it on the committee when the manager clearly had the final word on all deals just doesn't hold up.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1653 on: October 7, 2015, 01:48:21 pm »
One of the S*n "journalists" who champions the likes of 'arry, did a hatchet job on Michael Edwards today, wholly blaming him for Rodgers losing his job, but F365 media watch segment on their website dissected it, and made the rag "journalist" look a bit foolish, I won't copy and paste the article as it contains quotes from that so called publication, but mods, would it be ok to post a link even though the article on F365 contains portions of a S*n article?


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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1654 on: October 7, 2015, 01:49:10 pm »
One of the S*n "journalists" who champions the likes of 'arry, did a hatchet job on Michael Edwards today, wholly blaming him for Rodgers losing his job, but F365 media watch segment on their website dissected it, and made the rag "journalist" look a bit foolish, I won't copy and paste the article as it contains quotes from that so called publication, but mods, would it be ok to post a link even though the article on F365 contains portions of a S*n article?


it's in the transfer committee thread.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1655 on: October 7, 2015, 01:50:18 pm »
^True. You may also add that Rafa's time at Liverpool coincided with the time when English clubs were dominating in Europe. On the positive side, it meant a strong Liverpool is also automatically a strong contender for the Champions League title (that wasn't the case when Rafa actually won it with Liverpool, however).

On the negative side, Rafa was competing with some of the best ManU and Chelsea teams in their history. ManU had Ronaldo, prime Rooney, and a bunch of other stars at the time at their peak. Mourinho's first edition of Chelsea team was also littered with stars, and they were a really hungry, great team. Then you had a classic (bottling) Arsenal team, but certainly stronger than Arsenal of the past 3 seasons, i.e. at least they weren't getting embarrassed by Olympiacos and Dynamo Zagreb.

What I am getting at is that Rodgers' tenure at Liverpool coincided with the best possible time to break the top 4. Ferguson retired, Moyes came in, ManU had a deep crisis, and they are still not completely out of it. Despite their decent results here and there, they are inconsistent, erratic, and shaky, not really a great team, ManU. Chelsea have also been up and down, the second half of last season they were totally shit, they are shit now. ManCity, again, up and down, but perhaps the most consistent of them all. Arsenal are Arsenal, but worse than what they were when Rafa was at Liverpool.

This context should not be forgotten when comparing the numbers of different managers. Top 4 has been at its weakest in the past several years, and this is a great time to break it and establish a consistent top 4 spot.

If he'd only gotten 4th, you'd have a point. But he didn't. He helped Liverpool get 2nd and his team scored 100+ goals which has happened about 3 other times in the history of the EPL.

You also have to remember that while that EPL's top 4 was stronger comparatively, it's top 5 or even 6 were worse than 13-14 - particularly because of City. Rafa also had a comparatively stronger side taking over from Houllier than Rodgers did taking over from Kenny.

Don't get me wrong: Rafa > Rodgers; but let's stop discrediting that season. It was Liverpool's best since the last title win and a lot of that goes to Rodgers.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1656 on: October 7, 2015, 01:51:43 pm »
One of the S*n "journalists" who champions the likes of 'arry, did a hatchet job on Michael Edwards today, wholly blaming him for Rodgers losing his job, but F365 media watch segment on their website dissected it, and made the rag "journalist" look a bit foolish, I won't copy and paste the article as it contains quotes from that so called publication, but mods, would it be ok to post a link even though the article on F365 contains portions of a S*n article?



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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1657 on: October 7, 2015, 01:51:50 pm »
it's in the transfer committee thread.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1658 on: October 7, 2015, 04:37:40 pm »
Liverpool's manager Brendan Rodgers is the "old-school manager" who did a number on Michael Edwards (with a hatchet job of an article in the Daily Mail)

Each morning, when Liverpool's principal owner John W Henry and director Michael Gordon wake up in Boston, they take a look at the Premier League table and Liverpool's dire position.

Brendan Rodgers, who was based at Liverpool's Melwood training ground, had become a bit distant from FSG after aligning himself firmly with the doubters of the data-driven model of the group's baseball team, the Boston Red Sox.

This decaying relationship with FSG, increasingly marked by a lack of communication between the manager and the owners, led to a strained relationship with head of technical performance Michael Edwards.

Edwards encourages staff to use his nickname 'Eddie', giving a matey feel to the working environment. It is understood Rodgers has another name for him.  This is incredibly unprofessional of him, but for some reason he felt it a good idea to share with a journalist.

Rodgers disagreed strongly with FSG's Moneyball strategy, the statistical model designed to extract maximum value in the transfer market. Clearly, with the club 10th in the league and paying up to three times the going rate for players, it needs refinement.  Mostly, intelligent observers might argue, it needs the refinement of removing the person who argued for purchasing the most expensive and least successful of those players.  Thankfully, that has already been accomplished.

Despite a lack of playing experience at any relevant level, Rodgers, who earned £6,000,000 a year, had a big say on Liverpool's notorious transfer committee. He would arrive for meetings with Edwards, managing director Ian Ayre, chief scout Barry Hunter and head of recruitment Dave Fallows prepared to ignore the latest data on potential targets.

Rodgers has yet to explain how he came up with the figure of £32.5 million to sign Belgian forward Christian Benteke from Aston Villa, who finished seventeenth in the Premier League last season.

Divock Origi, billed as 'a world-class talent' by Rodgers when he was signed from Lille, was not even come off the bench in the club's last two league games. There are countless other errors, such as Lovren, Lallana, and Borini, the signings of which were strongly urged by Rodgers.

After each Liverpool game Edwards emails analysis and data to the club's owners in America, detailing where the match was won and lost. It has made for grim reading this season, which is in no way down to Edwards.

Edwards has used his relationship with FSG to strengthen his hand at the club, becoming a trusted source of information to a group of people who are interested in statistical analysis, which makes perfect sense to anyone with a brain.

Edwards has access to Google, and can tap away at a laptop and within seconds tell you how many assists the 24-year-old Turkish left back Eren Albayrak has made for Rizespor this season (four).  This is probably, on balance, a good thing, though largely irrelevant to this article and I'm not sure why I include it.

Rodgers wishes to live in the past, when managers thought it was enough to simply count how many times a player scored a goal, with no thought to the quality or quantity of chances they were provided.  In contrast, Edwards and his team of analysts focus on key aspects of striker play such as goal expectancy, chances created and the percentage of successful passes in the final third.  Similarly, they differ in the way they analyse the play of a defensive midfielder, with Edwards preferring to create metrics to show how the player contributed to team success, while Rodgers prefers to just go with the gut feelings of him and his scouts.

Increasingly, the owners have recognised the value of analysts, young men who have expertise in analysing data to see which players might be well-equipped to fill a role at Liverpool or who might be undervalued by other clubs.  This has meant the end of the road for outdated thinkers such as Mel Johnson. He was the scout who gave Neil Ashton at the Daily Mail regular information.  This means that Mr. Ashton is obliged to regularly remind us all that he is the "genius" who realised what every Wycombe fan already knew: that Jordon Ibe was a very good player.  Mr. Johnson is best known for the ridiculous statement "You have to go to games, you have to go with your gut instincts" which he made despite copious evidence all throughout the football world to the contrary, in a previous Daily Mail article (also written by Mr. Ashton).  Former academy director Frank McParland has also left, though it is unclear if this is a bad thing in any way.

Now, as opposed to spending money sending scouts willy-nilly everywhere, initial scouting is done largely by people watching videos from matches all over the world and examining the statistical data.  At some point a player is identified as a potential target, at which point members of the scouting team are dispatched to watch him in person. 

Edwards, along with his team of analysts, constantly monitors the opposition, providing detail about playing positions, style, routines, set-pieces and other important matchday information.  They profile players based on their last 10-20 appearances, gathering information and helping Rodgers build a presentation for his players before matches that was usually a maximum of 10 pages on each team. It is a useful, but far from infallible, tool, as opposed to the data the old-school managers used which was also not infallible, but more often than not useless as well.

Edwards began his career as part of the video analysis team at Portsmouth before leaving to work with Harry Redknapp again when he became Tottenham manager.

There, Edwards struck up a relationship with Ian Graham at Decision Technology, a data firm collecting statistics on players from all over the world.

Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy paid Decision Technology a fortune each season for their services, trusting their analysis and using Edwards, in his newly created role as head of performance analysis, to make sense of it all.  Again, I'm not sure how relevant any of this is, but I'm including it in my article anyway.

Edwards was head-hunted by Damien Comolli when the Frenchman became director of football at Liverpool, turning down an increased salary of £250,000 a year at White Hart Lane to join the Anfield revolution. Levy was distraught.

Since then he has emerged as a senior figure at Liverpool, empowered by FSG to be part of the decision-making process, overseen by the manager, on big transfer targets after gaining their trust since his arrival in 2011.

His relationship with Rodgers deteriorated shortly after the former Liverpool manager signed a contract worth £6m a year just a week after Liverpool finished within two points of claiming the Barclays Premier League title.

They clashed over transfer strategy, although Rodgers went on record to insist that he always had the final say over the recruitment of players earmarked for the first-team squad.

In the end, Rodgers' resistance to what is obviously the way forward in football caused his downfall.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1659 on: October 7, 2015, 07:54:44 pm »
Liverpool's manager Brendan Rodgers is the "old-school manager" who did a number on Michael Edwards (with a hatchet job of an article in the Daily Mail)


Divock Origi, billed as 'a world-class talent' by Rodgers when he was signed from Lille, was not even come off the bench in the club's last two league games. There are countless other errors, such as Lovren, Lallana, and Borini, the signings of which were strongly urged by Rodgers.



45 years after their demise, we've probably worked out which songs Lennon wrote and those that Mcartney penned, they used to collectively 'take the blame' for them together, these days we know different.

So we've got a good idea of whose were Brendan's (Borini, Lovren, Lallana, ) and which we TCs (over-riding BR) buys (Balotelli, Sturridge, Sakho, Can, Markovic) but does anyone have the full divided list (there may be some where everyone agreed), which I am sure will live as a historical document to the last 3.25 years.

(also who wanted who binned off, Lucas, Henderson etc)
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1660 on: October 7, 2015, 08:20:59 pm »
Ballo is supposed to be a Rodgers signing

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1661 on: October 7, 2015, 08:25:07 pm »
Ballo is supposed to be a Rodgers signing

I don't believe that for a second.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1662 on: October 7, 2015, 09:01:13 pm »
I don't believe that for a second.
Why not?

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1663 on: October 7, 2015, 09:08:00 pm »
When I first heard the news of his sack I was sad for him.
But for the progression of LFC I think it needed to be done.
The one thing I couldn't stand about him were his interviews where he was always upbeat even when it was obvious that we played poorly.
He could have done with taking a few lessons from Kenny on how to treat the media and just be sincere but intelligent at the same time.
I think most fans could see through all the management speak half the time. It came across a bit patronising at times.
Plus for the money he spent he didn't really get us moving forward leaps n bounds. Defence was always a liability.
He was good tactically with changing things around mid-season to get us out of bad runs, but he also did this switching during games which seemed bizarre when it didn't come off. And the final nail in the coffin was how he couldn't get us out of the poor run of matches that stretched back to last season.
But like others said, he had a big part to play in the title challenge of the 13/14 season and for that we will always remember and celebrate him.
Thanks Bren for the good times. Sorry it didn't work out. All the best.


On a related note; all those having a go at him for having a new younger bird and leaving his wife need to sort themselves out. Do you know the ins and outs of his private life? No. So leave this out of the football discussion. Most of these beauts who chat about his lady do so out of jealousy I bet. Easy target for envious minds.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1664 on: October 7, 2015, 09:26:06 pm »
Somewhere I have  a draft post about Rogers, starting with " I never warmed to him, but..." and  trying to give a fair balanced view of him...but Id rather cut to the chase,   d'yknow what, given the chance to speak to him face to face I would say this, mate for all the fancy talk and ideas, football is still about fundamentals, you try and score at one end and stop the other team scoring at yours and in nearly 3 and 1/2 years at the club I saw nothing of any defensive element being established or improved over that time, that's what done for you, you tried to build the roof before you built the foundations. Bad defending is corrosive, it eats away at the teams and fans confidence. we were too easy to score against during your whole tenure..and that doesn't make for successful teams or keep managers in jobs.

I think he's an intelligent and sincere manager who do very well, I wouldn't be surprised if he went to Europe for his next job , he's got the experience of managing a big club and everything it can throw at you....but if he wants to be successful in his next job , get a bloody good goalkeeper , some decent defenders and think " defence , defence ,defence".

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1665 on: October 7, 2015, 09:47:52 pm »
I work with a whole bunch of Man Utd fans. Every one of them is totally gutted that Brendan is gone. Which kind of indicates that maybe it was time to move him on.

It's weird that you use Utd fans as the litmus paper test...........what would they know about football?
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1666 on: October 7, 2015, 10:50:19 pm »
One big factor in Rodgers' future will be whether he uses his time out of the game to address his many shortcomings. I don't recall him ever admitting to any mistakes while he was here. Hopefully, for his sake, this was just a facade he put on for the benefit of us and, towards the end, prospective future employers. If it was a symptom of incurable hubris, then he's likely to have problems wherever he goes.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1667 on: October 7, 2015, 10:55:24 pm »
football is still about fundamentals, you try and score at one end and stop the other team scoring at yours

You know, City scored more goals in 20 minutes on saturday at home than we've scored all season in the PL at home (Cliff Claven)
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1668 on: October 7, 2015, 11:24:46 pm »
When I first heard the news of his sack I was sad for him.
But for the progression of LFC I think it needed to be done.
The one thing I couldn't stand about him were his interviews where he was always upbeat even when it was obvious that we played poorly.
He could have done with taking a few lessons from Kenny on how to treat the media and just be sincere but intelligent at the same time.
I think most fans could see through all the management speak half the time. It came across a bit patronising at times.
Plus for the money he spent he didn't really get us moving forward leaps n bounds. Defence was always a liability.
He was good tactically with changing things around mid-season to get us out of bad runs, but he also did this switching during games which seemed bizarre when it didn't come off. And the final nail in the coffin was how he couldn't get us out of the poor run of matches that stretched back to last season.
But like others said, he had a big part to play in the title challenge of the 13/14 season and for that we will always remember and celebrate him.
Thanks Bren for the good times. Sorry it didn't work out. All the best.


On a related note; all those having a go at him for having a new younger bird and leaving his wife need to sort themselves out. Do you know the ins and outs of his private life? No. So leave this out of the football discussion. Most of these beauts who chat about his lady do so out of jealousy I bet. Easy target for envious minds.

I don't disagree with your view on his private life, but as the father of a young daughter myself, seeing pictures of him carrying the baby (baby!) of another man's daughter, in the context of how that relationship came about, really upset me.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1669 on: October 7, 2015, 11:45:48 pm »
I work with a whole bunch of Man Utd fans. Every one of them is totally gutted that Brendan is gone. Which kind of indicates that maybe it was time to move him on.

Exact same situation over here. Except it's a mix of United, Arsenal and Chelsea fans.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1670 on: October 8, 2015, 05:05:53 am »
I don't believe that for a second.

To be honest, I never would have imagined that Brendan wanted to sign Balotelli, but apparently it was Rodgers who made the call to do it and the TC didn't object too much to it given they were split about it. No one seems to be doubting that at all.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1671 on: October 8, 2015, 07:29:46 am »
45 years after their demise, we've probably worked out which songs Lennon wrote and those that Mcartney penned, they used to collectively 'take the blame' for them together, these days we know different.

So we've got a good idea of whose were Brendan's (Borini, Lovren, Lallana, ) and which we TCs (over-riding BR) buys (Balotelli, Sturridge, Sakho, Can, Markovic) but does anyone have the full divided list (there may be some where everyone agreed), which I am sure will live as a historical document to the last 3.25 years.

(also who wanted who binned off, Lucas, Henderson etc)
This has been on my mind a while quite a lot lately and especially now that Rodgers is gone and will be fascinating to see how transfers are dealt with with the next manager.

Some kind of fully divided documentation of a list like this would be AMAZING if anyone has seen something of the like or compiled something close. It would clear up a lot of questions personally about BR's ability to gauge potential talent and/or the how much promise this TC set up might actually hold in the future with a different manager. PLEASE, anyone??

For instance... still curius about that freak January 2013 window: We only make 2 signings. Daniel Sturridge, Phillipe Coutinho, both at a relative bargain (~20m total for both iirc). Look at them before they came here, and look at their impact now. Considering how mediocre-to-disastrous our Transfer Windows have felt in the last few years, would be really interesting to know why this one worked out so well specifically. Who was the main instigator to focus on these two targets? The TC, one section of the TC... had BR been targeting them for a while? Or did BR just go along with what TC had found to be high potential strong value targets available in that window? Just would really love to know if anyone who knows more could shed some more light on this... especially who mas the main factor in us focusing on and bringing in Coutinho for just 8.5m? More of that please, k thanks.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1672 on: October 8, 2015, 09:46:54 am »
A very negative story about Brendan on the latest Men In Blazers Podcast. The Everton fan (Rog is it?) recounted a story of when he interviewed Rodgers back in 2014 at Melwood.  He said before the camera started rolling to break the ice he asked " It must be an honour to follow in the footsteps of football greats like Shankly and Paisley?" Rodgers looked at him and asked "Between you and me, I couldnt care less about them, I care about me".

I know the fellas a bitter but ...... ?

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1673 on: October 8, 2015, 09:49:57 am »
I do believe Balotelli is a Rodgers signing. Don't forget Rodgers playedim h in every game at the start & gave him every chance in Sept-Nov last season.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1674 on: October 8, 2015, 10:04:19 am »
I do believe Balotelli is a Rodgers signing. Don't forget Rodgers playedim h in every game at the start & gave him every chance in Sept-Nov last season.
So Sakho, Coutinho and Sturridge must be Rodgers signings then.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1675 on: October 8, 2015, 10:08:58 am »
"At times he was like the fella who you'd ask the time and he'd tell you how to build a clock."

Nothing but respect for Brendan - that quote about him tickled me though.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1676 on: October 8, 2015, 10:19:13 am »
A very negative story about Brendan on the latest Men In Blazers Podcast. The Everton fan (Rog is it?) recounted a story of when he interviewed Rodgers back in 2014 at Melwood.  He said before the camera started rolling to break the ice he asked " It must be an honour to follow in the footsteps of football greats like Shankly and Paisley?" Rodgers looked at him and asked "Between you and me, I couldnt care less about them, I care about me".

I know the fellas a bitter but ...... ?
I very much doubt that.

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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1677 on: October 8, 2015, 10:20:36 am »
"At times he was like the fella who you'd ask the time and he'd tell you how to build a clock."

Nothing but respect for Brendan - that quote about him tickled me though.
Ha, I've never heard that before.

Rodgers is a pretty respectful guy, it's a shame he has some limitations as a manger. Maybe he can iron them out in time.

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« Reply #1678 on: October 8, 2015, 10:21:49 am »
45 years after their demise, we've probably worked out which songs Lennon wrote and those that Mcartney penned, they used to collectively 'take the blame' for them together, these days we know different.

So we've got a good idea of whose were Brendan's (Borini, Lovren, Lallana, ) and which we TCs (over-riding BR) buys (Balotelli, Sturridge, Sakho, Can, Markovic) but does anyone have the full divided list (there may be some where everyone agreed), which I am sure will live as a historical document to the last 3.25 years.

(also who wanted who binned off, Lucas, Henderson etc)

Player's bought during Rodgers' tenure as manager:

Fabio Borini - Rodgers (worked with)
Joe Allen - Rodgers (worked with)
Oussama Assaidi - assumed TC*
Samed Yesil - assumed TC*
Daniel Sturridge - reported TC* (Rodgers said no summer 2012, wanted Dempsey)
Philippe Coutinho - reported TC*
Luis Alberto - TC
Iago Aspas - TC
Simon Mignolet - TC (Rodgers wanted Vorm)
Kolo Touré    - ?
Mamadou Sakho - TC
Tiago Ilori - TC
Rickie Lambert - Rodgers
Adam Lallana - Rodgers (TC wanted Firmino; but I think TC were ok with Lallana, if not the price, because bid was made very early in transfer window, i.e. without delay or argument)
Emre Can - reported TC
Lazar Markovic - TC
Dejan Lovren - Rodgers
Divock Origi - TC
Alberto Moreno - TC
Mario Balotelli - most debated, seems likely to be a collective fuck up - TC didn't have any more alternatives)
Joe Gomez - ?
Adam Bogdan - ?
Danny Ings - Rodgers, though seems TC weren't opposed
James Milner - Rodgers
Nathaniel Clyne - Rodgers, though again seems not controversial
Roberto Firmino    - TC
Christian Benteke - Rodgers, though approved by TC, but TC valued him lower

TC* - Edwards (and existing scouting network) at least, some before Fallows/Hunter etc were brought in.
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Re: Brendan Rodgers is no longer Liverpool manager
« Reply #1679 on: October 8, 2015, 10:36:29 am »
Player's bought during Rodgers' tenure as manager:

Fabio Borini - Rodgers (worked with)
Joe Allen - Rodgers (worked with)
Oussama Assaidi - assumed TC*
Samed Yesil - assumed TC*
Daniel Sturridge - reported TC* (Rodgers said no summer 2012, wanted Dempsey)
Philippe Coutinho - reported TC*
Luis Alberto - TC
Iago Aspas - TC
Simon Mignolet - TC (Rodgers wanted Vorm)
Kolo Touré    - ?
Mamadou Sakho - TC
Tiago Ilori - TC
Rickie Lambert - Rodgers
Adam Lallana - Rodgers (TC wanted Firmino; but I think TC were ok with Lallana, if not the price, because bid was made very early in transfer window, i.e. without delay or argument)
Emre Can - reported TC
Lazar Markovic - TC
Dejan Lovren - Rodgers
Divock Origi - TC
Alberto Moreno - TC
Mario Balotelli - most debated, seems likely to be a collective fuck up - TC didn't have any more alternatives)
Joe Gomez - ?
Adam Bogdan - ?
Danny Ings - Rodgers, though seems TC weren't opposed
James Milner - Rodgers
Nathaniel Clyne - Rodgers, though again seems not controversial
Roberto Firmino    - TC
Christian Benteke - Rodgers, though approved by TC, but TC valued him lower

TC* - Edwards (and existing scouting network) at least, some before Fallows/Hunter etc were brought in.


By my reading of the situation Toure and Moses were Brendan's signings. And I think that Lallana was not the TC's first choice and certainly not at that price. They seem to have wanted Firmino quite strongly instead given they were willing to go up to 29m including add-ons even though his productivity dropped from 13/14.
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