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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27520 on: November 29, 2021, 01:38:10 am »
Youse are all obsessed with Man United and klopp and mane hate each other
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27521 on: November 29, 2021, 04:06:35 am »
Youse are all obsessed with Man United and klopp and mane hate each other

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27522 on: November 29, 2021, 06:05:29 am »
is there any hope for rashford reaching his ceiling? the kid has talent but is brainless football wise, doesn't get his head up enough, runs into cul-de-sacs way too often, is basically a one-trick-pony with pace/cut in/shoot (in fairness he has spells where that trick is profitable) and today was a classic example - sancho took his goal really well but at no time in that breakaway was rashford onside, not once, srsly not once, and all he had to do was stay behind sancho

if the keeper had more been positive and rushed sancho (and im no way blaming the keeper in that scenario - very difficult to tell the relative position of the two forwards with a head-on view apart from anything else) and he shifted it to rashford, the twat would've been offside
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27523 on: November 29, 2021, 06:26:43 am »
The farcical offside that got them a corner was perplexing. That was the only time I saw him run.
My best Ronaldo moment was when he didn't bother to track Rudiger back in the 93rd minute and Rudiger almost scored while El Plastico stood there with his hands on his hips.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27524 on: November 29, 2021, 07:45:56 am »
That Fred chance at the end was brilliant.

He did the hard work in making an interception, then panics because he has no idea what to do---take it forward, play in Ronald or young Lingard, or take a shot.

Tried to be way too clever and chip it over the keeper but just manages to harmlessly hand back possession.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27525 on: November 29, 2021, 08:09:10 am »
Everything that doesn't go catastrophically wrong in the next six months will be painted by the media as part of of some grand strategy despite the fact that the last week has revealed 1) they weren't going to sack Ole until he lost with Watford 2) they wanted Zidane 3) they wanted Pochettino 4) they were seriously considering hiring Rudi Garcia or Ernesto Valverde.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27526 on: November 29, 2021, 08:10:48 am »
Do pundits think that Rangnik coming in, will have Man U playing like prime Klopp by week 2?  Because when you listen to most of them, they have already decided they will be.

I dont recall our transition to being THAT team until Klopp had bought all the pieces and had got rid of the deadwood....what was that - 2 years and 3 transfer windows?

What can one man do in 6 months, with that squad and one transfer window?

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27527 on: November 29, 2021, 08:14:22 am »
He could take points off Chelsea and Man City. That will be good enough for me!

They are truly in the creek without a paddle.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27528 on: November 29, 2021, 09:00:06 am »
Do pundits think that Rangnik coming in, will have Man U playing like prime Klopp by week 2?  Because when you listen to most of them, they have already decided they will be.

I dont recall our transition to being THAT team until Klopp had bought all the pieces and had got rid of the deadwood....what was that - 2 years and 3 transfer windows?

What can one man do in 6 months, with that squad and one transfer window?

It’s probably worth pointing out that whilst it took Klopp 2-3 years to really grow the team he at least had us all paying well and being competitive almost immediately (getting us to 2 cup finals that season).

I would suspect most Mancs would take a season similar to our 15-16 one now on the premise that they’ll be competing for greater honours in the near future. Whether either of those 2 things happens though is far from certain.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27529 on: November 29, 2021, 09:10:31 am »
It’s probably worth pointing out that whilst it took Klopp 2-3 years to really grow the team he at least had us all paying well and being competitive almost immediately (getting us to 2 cup finals that season).

I would suspect most Mancs would take a season similar to our 15-16 one now on the premise that they’ll be competing for greater honours in the near future. Whether either of those 2 things happens though is far from certain.

Its worth pointing out Klopp didn't inherit Wan Bissaka, McTominay, Fred, Maguire, Lindelof, Penandes and the preening Prick. ;)
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27530 on: November 29, 2021, 09:18:44 am »
Carrick dropping Ronaldo was bold but it did kind of illustrate a point eh?

Yep.  If they want to improve on any level, the only place for him should be on the bench.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27531 on: November 29, 2021, 10:01:48 am »
Its worth pointing out Klopp didn't inherit Wan Bissaka, McTominay, Fred, Maguire, Lindelof, Penandes and the preening Prick. ;)

He didn’t, no, but if you look at our current squad now vs the one that Klopp inherited there’s very few that have lasted.

You would imagine an experienced manager would stand a fair chance of getting a tune out of the likes of De Gea, Varane, De Beek, Sancho, Rashford etc. I’ve always been half way with this in that I always thought it was fanciful when people (usually United fans) claimed that a decent manager would be crushing all before them with their squad as it just focussed on the names and totally ignores the form (and by form I mean consistent form over a number of seasons) and also ignores the glaring deficiencies in defensive midfield and centre half/full back. That said, it also isn’t as shit as is being made out and I would imagine that Rangik stands a decent chance of getting them a respectful final league finish (and by that I mean 4th) and a run in the FA Cup which is the only trophy they’d stand a chance of winning. I think most sensible people would be happy with that if you’re a United fan with a view to improving next season.

As I say, that may well not happen as it’s far from a guarantee, hopefully it doesn’t, I’m just making the point that you can see quite rapid changes when you sack a manager and bring in someone more qualified to do the job, as Chelsea have shown lately.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27532 on: November 29, 2021, 10:30:12 am »
Its worth pointing out Klopp didn't inherit Wan Bissaka, McTominay, Fred, Maguire, Lindelof, Penandes and the preening Prick. ;)

Odd thing to point out being as he inherited even less! Our defence was awful all over the board, the only half decent defender was Clyne who was totally unsuited to the style of play.  Same with a lot of the midfield, but he even got a tune out of the likes of Joe Allen who again was totally unsuited, for a little while. Even Benteke contributed despite being the most un Klopp like striker around.

Klopp could get far more out of these Man Utd players though, surely you see that! He’d not turn them into supserstars, but he and the coaches would coach them well. 

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27533 on: November 29, 2021, 11:14:27 am »
Odd thing to point out being as he inherited even less! Our defence was awful all over the board, the only half decent defender was Clyne who was totally unsuited to the style of play.  Same with a lot of the midfield, but he even got a tune out of the likes of Joe Allen who again was totally unsuited, for a little while. Even Benteke contributed despite being the most un Klopp like striker around.

Klopp could get far more out of these Man Utd players though, surely you see that! He’d not turn them into supserstars, but he and the coaches would coach them well. 

This is the piss take thread, not the be all serious and shit the bed about the mancs thread :butt
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27534 on: November 29, 2021, 11:26:35 am »
I remember that first game under Klopp at Spurs and the first 20 minutes or so had our players pressing like maniacs.  But it took a while to get that cohesiveness in the collective pressing.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27535 on: November 29, 2021, 11:33:56 am »
This is the piss take thread, not the be all serious and shit the bed about the mancs thread :butt

oh good grief Rob, you are getting to be worse than Andy! 

Piss take without having a dig at our own team I am presuming. So sorry for picking you up on your really shite comment.

Now have at it, and I will leave you in peace to carry on being Andy 2.0 on the Manc thread.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27536 on: November 29, 2021, 11:56:30 am »
I remember that first game under Klopp at Spurs and the first 20 minutes or so had our players pressing like maniacs.  But it took a while to get that cohesiveness in the collective pressing.

And our players at least knew how to play some form of pressing game from Rodgers. None of the last 3-4 Utd managers played this way. Could be quite a few fatigue related injuries coming up. I imagine the Fitness Egg is dusting off his Twitter account in anticipation

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27537 on: November 29, 2021, 12:03:02 pm »
The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem.  Unfortunately the appointment of Rangnik could be Utd doing just that, rather than desperately clinging onto the past and thinking that they were 'a couple of players away' from being back to their best.  The longer Woodward and Ferguson called the shots and continued to promote unqualified ex-players as managers and coaches, the longer their demise was going to last.  So although the appointment of Rangnik by itself doesn't mean that they have actually turned a corner this time, it is maybe a worrying sign that they have finally learned the lessons from the last 10 years of mistakes. Klopp said it best himself when he talked about having to write our own history, whereas Solskjaer and co were desperately clinging onto the past and trying to recreate it.

The job he faces is huge though.  Klopp is a genius but he was also brilliantly backed up by a recruitment team that basically batted 1.000 for 4 or 5 years.  The fact that the CL and PL winning team only had Henderson, Milner, and Firmino remaining from the squad that he inherited (along with Lovren, Lallana, and Origi as squad players and Gomez and TAA from the youth ranks) is testament to just how much change happened in a short time.  I think that Utd need just as much change to compete at that level as well.  Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Varane, and maybe Van der Beek, Shaw, and Fernandes could be long term pieces of a successful squad, but beyond that you are looking at outright dross, aging players, and overhyped players who likely don't fit in a team that wants to play expansive possession based football.

I always laughed when pundits talked about improvement and progression for Utd when they had finished 6th (66 points), 3rd (66 points), and 2nd (74 points) as if the finishing positions were all that mattered and so they only needed to improve 'one place more'.  The reality was that in style of play, underlying stats, and points total there really hadn't been much improvement at all, and the gap between 74 points and the 90+ that you need to realistically win the league in the current era is a chasm rather than a gap.  Better players can gain you extra points, but wholesale systemic changes were clearly needed to take the club to that next level.

Klopp and Guardiola will likely be gone in 3 years time, and no doubt Chelsea will have fallen out with Tuchel and be on the downward part of their constant boom and bust cycle, so there is a ray of light at the end of the tunnel for Utd and also the possibility that we'll see a dip back to mid-80s point totals being good enough for the title.  It will be interesting if they can actually play the long game this time, or whether another shiny gem like the Ronaldo signing will come along to distract them and derail the whole process again.  Here's hoping for the latter!

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27538 on: November 29, 2021, 12:17:43 pm »
oh good grief Rob, you are getting to be worse than Andy! 

Piss take without having a dig at our own team I am presuming. So sorry for picking you up on your really shite comment.

Now have at it, and I will leave you in peace to carry on being Andy 2.0 on the Manc thread.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27539 on: November 29, 2021, 12:24:00 pm »
Corner turned?
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27540 on: November 29, 2021, 12:26:17 pm »
Just seen's Fred's chance at the end.  Jeez haha.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27541 on: November 29, 2021, 01:20:04 pm »
What's so great about Ragnick?
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27542 on: November 29, 2021, 01:27:30 pm »
What's so great about Ragnick?
He's German...all the cool kids have one.
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« Reply #27543 on: November 29, 2021, 01:32:28 pm »
What's so great about Ragnick?

He's the saviour of Man U. The bringer of trophies and the glory days of old.
Is that good enough for you?

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27544 on: November 29, 2021, 01:36:50 pm »
Their underlying numbers show they’re clearly worse this season
Last season they had a clear style of play too - even if it was negative it was pretty clear what they wanted to do

Right now they’re below league average - it’s almost impossible to achieve with their wage bill
The only comparable I can think of is the last Mourinho Chelsea season where Hazard downed tools etc

And the reason for this............Ronaldo

You sign Ronaldo and you have to set up your team for him.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27545 on: November 29, 2021, 01:46:44 pm »
What's so great about Ragnick?
I watched a clip of him giving a talk about coaching, and he talked about training players to deal with the 5 key areas of a football match:

1. What to do when you are in possession
2. What do do when you are out of possession
3. What do to in transition when you lose the ball
4. What to do in transition when you win the the ball back
5. What to do at set pieces (attacking/defending)

Admittedly, that's probably over Solksjaer's/Carrick's heads, but bloody hell - that's the basic stuff I was coaching my son's under 12's side.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27546 on: November 29, 2021, 01:50:34 pm »
I watched a clip of him giving a talk about coaching, and he talked about training players to deal with the 5 key areas of a football match:

1. What to do when you are in possession
2. What do do when you are out of possession
3. What do to in transition when you lose the ball
4. What to do in transition when you win the the ball back
5. What to do at set pieces (attacking/defending)

Admittedly, that's probably over Solksjaer's/Carrick's heads, but bloody hell - that's the basic stuff I was coaching my son's under 12's side.
I don't get it yes he got Leipzig up etc. But they had so much more money than anyone else.
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« Reply #27547 on: November 29, 2021, 02:04:29 pm »
Interestingly (or in fact not really), Rangnick has only coached for 2 seasons out of the last 10 seasons.

He really doesn’t want to be a coach, so it’s quite funny him taking on this job just to fullfil a dream of his to coach in the premier league.  Taking advantage of Man Utd’s predicament good and proper, and a nice little consultancy gig at the end of it too.

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« Reply #27548 on: November 29, 2021, 02:10:44 pm »
is there any hope for rashford reaching his ceiling? the kid has talent but is brainless football wise, doesn't get his head up enough, runs into cul-de-sacs way too often, is basically a one-trick-pony with pace/cut in/shoot (in fairness he has spells where that trick is profitable) and today was a classic example

He's just an English Daniel James with a better PR team.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27549 on: November 29, 2021, 02:17:59 pm »
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Is he German? ✔️

Does he wear glasses? ✔️

Sign him up.
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« Reply #27550 on: November 29, 2021, 02:21:58 pm »
To see the full on Rangnik circle jerk in the press and with fans is a sight to behold. The guy has done almost nothing of note yet since his appointment his wiki has been changed so much you would think the guy invented football. Absolutely hilarious to watch.

Apparently in one of his greatest achievements, which keeps getting repeated, is that he took Schalke all the way to the semi-finals of the champions league. What they fail to mention is that he had nothing to with that run except for one game in the Quarters. It was Felix Magath who took Schalke all the way through to that stage and had finished 2nd in the league the season prior. Let's not mention that though.

Is there a small chance he does well? Of course, but the glossing over the facts that the man has not done anything spectacular with any team, that he somehow is the grandfather of modern football, that he is some managerial great is just beyond anything I've seen. The sheer blindness in order to convince themselves they have made a world class appointment is so pathetic that it makes it all so very very funny. ​

It's now like watching a car cruise down the road knowing full well within the next months the tyres will explode with it flipping over and smashing to pieces, all in slow motion. When that happens it will be all 'the guy didn't suit us, he was never that good, etc'.

Not sure if its desperation or delusion but it is going to be funny as fuck watching them all tie themselves in knots over the next months convincing themselves he is their saviour.

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« Reply #27551 on: November 29, 2021, 02:28:33 pm »
So basically they are going to go with Bruno as a false 9 (Firmino)

And 2 pacy wide players Rashford and Sancho who cut inside  (Salah and Mane)

Now they just need a GK who can play as a Sweeper Keeper (Allison), A CB comfortable in a Highline (VVD, Konate, Matip Gomez)  with Varanewith FBs who spend more time in the final 3rd (TAA Robbo Tsimikas), A midfield 3 who are press resistant, (Every midfielder we have).

Can they get all that in January. ;D
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27552 on: November 29, 2021, 02:45:33 pm »
To see the full on Rangnik circle jerk in the press and with fans is a sight to behold. The guy has done almost nothing of note yet since his appointment his wiki has been changed so much you would think the guy invented football. Absolutely hilarious to watch.

Apparently in one of his greatest achievements, which keeps getting repeated, is that he took Schalke all the way to the semi-finals of the champions league. What they fail to mention is that he had nothing to with that run except for one game in the Quarters. It was Felix Magath who took Schalke all the way through to that stage and had finished 2nd in the league the season prior. Let's not mention that though.

Is there a small chance he does well? Of course, but the glossing over the facts that the man has not done anything spectacular with any team, that he somehow is the grandfather of modern football, that he is some managerial great is just beyond anything I've seen. The sheer blindness in order to convince themselves they have made a world class appointment is so pathetic that it makes it all so very very funny. ​

It's now like watching a car cruise down the road knowing full well within the next months the tyres will explode with it flipping over and smashing to pieces, all in slow motion. When that happens it will be all 'the guy didn't suit us, he was never that good, etc'.

Not sure if its desperation or delusion but it is going to be funny as fuck watching them all tie themselves in knots over the next months convincing themselves he is their saviour.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27553 on: November 29, 2021, 02:47:01 pm »
So basically they are going to go with Bruno as a false 9 (Firmino)

And 2 pacy wide players Rashford and Sancho who cut inside  (Salah and Mane)

Now they just need a GK who can play as a Sweeper Keeper (Allison), A CB comfortable in a Highline (VVD, Konate, Matip Gomez)  with Varanewith FBs who spend more time in the final 3rd (TAA Robbo Tsimikas), A midfield 3 who are press resistant, (Every midfielder we have).

Can they get all that in January. ;D
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27554 on: November 29, 2021, 03:03:41 pm »
I don't get it yes he got Leipzig up etc. But they had so much more money than anyone else.
His achievements with Leipzig were of a similar level to Eddie Howe with Bournemouth, except Howe had a fraction of their money at his disposal, and Bournemouth were actually praised for their achievements.

RB Leipzig by contrast:

RB are often referred to as the "most hated club in Germany" and still face regular protests from opposition fans, ranging from boycotting games to the arrest of 28 Borussia Dortmund fans for throwing cans and stones at rival supporters in 2017.

The dislike goes further. Speaking to BBC World Service when Leipzig were first promoted, Dortmund CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke called RB "a club built to push up the revenues for Red Bull" while earlier this month German football magazine 11 Freunde refused to cover the top-of-the-table fixture with Bayern Munich, whose supporters brandished offensive placards..
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27555 on: November 29, 2021, 03:08:04 pm »
His achievements with Leipzig were of a similar level to Eddie Howe with Bournemouth, except Howe had a fraction of their money at his disposal, and Bournemouth were actually praised for their achievements.


Pretty sure Bournemouth spent a load of money too getting promoted, in the grand scheme of things.

Leipzig and Hoffenheim are not the fairytale stories some like to make out that’s for sure.  2 manufactured clubs buying their ways to the top league.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27556 on: November 29, 2021, 03:11:26 pm »
United boardroom:

Is he German ✔️

Does he wear glasses? ✔️

Sign him up.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27557 on: November 29, 2021, 03:24:24 pm »
Will Ralfie be charge for Thursday against us. I would hope so, that Michael Carrick is their best manager since Fergie left.

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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27558 on: November 29, 2021, 03:30:12 pm »
Will Ralfie be charge for Thursday against us. I would hope so, that Michael Carrick is their best manager since Fergie left.

Ralfie invented modern football as we know it though, or so I've been led to believe over the past few days. So swings and roundabouts.
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Re: United - Get Interim - The Rangnik Years... (well, Months maybe)
« Reply #27559 on: November 29, 2021, 03:48:24 pm »
I find myself asking "what would Jurgen do?" with the squad that Ralf is coming to play with. Assuming no ins and outs in Jan as everyone is going to join the Geordie gravy train I could see him benching Maguire, WB, Pogba, Bruno, Ronaldo, and Greenwood as they can't or won't play his way. De Gea could also be in that list if they had someone who could play sweeper-keeper but they don't. I actually think he could get some sort of tune out of Shaw and Fred. They are limited but can play to instructions. From what I can see Fred is the one player who actually tries to do something for the team. Keep him away from the final third though! It goes without saying that Sancho, Rashford, Varane, Van de Beek, even Lindelof would be better players under JK, and Cavani would be the old guy coming off the bench, not the chosen one. Still leaves them horribly short for this season, so don't know what changes short-term. He has a pretty soft schedule over December so they have to improve their position then. A new coach bounce is a must. A few bad results in the next 8 games and I don't think they get top four or anywhere near.