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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #120 on: July 27, 2023, 02:23:41 pm »
https://twitter.com/Ettifaq_EN/status/1684523750966849537?s=20

I wonder how Henderson feels about the black & white box effect they've put over his armband to block out the rainbow from 00:16. ::)




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Offer him an extra bit of money and he will not give a shite.

sportswashers whitewashing rainbows out  :lmao  I hope they get a lot of rainbows posted on their social media account in response. And questions why they chose to paint over images of the rainbow armband too.

« Last Edit: July 27, 2023, 05:39:42 pm by oojason »
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #121 on: July 27, 2023, 02:25:44 pm »
Can we talk about removing their images, paintings, murals etc from the community?

They clearly are not rolemodels for anyone. Has anything happened in that department?

Have SOS communicated about this at all?

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #122 on: July 27, 2023, 02:26:41 pm »
They are all ready as rich as fuck, worth I dunno how many Millions.

PS, I'm on 30k and wouldn't sell my soul for blood money so "Me" I wouldn't.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #123 on: July 27, 2023, 02:35:04 pm »
Did you read through the thread before posting this condescending and contrived drivel?

Or the other sportswashing threads, player sportswashing threads, or Qatar World Cup threads... where other similar views to your have been already been discussed ad nauseum?


a 'minority or majority'... So what? It is irrelevant when it comes values and outlook on life. You're on a Liverpool fan forum, with left-leaning fans, for a left-leaning club, for a left-leaning city. We fucking well know we are often in the minority.
b. "good working conditions and feel safe" - :lmao have a look through the threads for articles where this is wholly disproven (lengthy prison sentences, torture, executions etc). It appears so bad that many players' families actually live in nearby Bahrain - not Saudi itself.
c. "Who wouldn't sign for 1 year of work that will almost guarantee the financial future of this family and their kids in the next life?" - many on here. Have a look through the threads. Your claim is also a false equivalency.
d. "Past 2 seasons, a lot of supporters said Henderson is done and now he left, we are moaning." - projection and contrived. What has that to do with what reddebs and others have posted?

Again, please read through relevant threads before posting the shite you have - inform and educate yourself a little more. Or just go give your head a wobble, and try not to simply repeat patronising and already debunked shite... that has been posted a hundred times before. Thanks.


This may help: www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=354341.msg18929007#msg18929007 - though others in those various relevant threads put it far better than I can.

I didn't meant to object to this lady's remark.  She is correct but at the same time others are correct too.



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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #124 on: July 27, 2023, 02:37:56 pm »
https://twitter.com/Ettifaq_EN/status/1684523750966849537?s=20

I wonder how Henderson feels about the black & white box effect they've put over his armband to block out the rainbow from 00:16. ::)

Nice touch. Let's anyone debating it know exactly who they are from the off. What a terrible, terrible shame it's ended like this.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #125 on: July 27, 2023, 02:40:02 pm »
Offer him an extra bit of money and he will not give a shite.

sportswashers whitewashing rainbows out  :lmao  I hope they get a lot of rainbows posted on their social media account in response. And questions why they chose to paint over images of the rainbow armband too.


Loads of people are posting rainbows on the twitter post, it's quite amusing!

Having said that, the number of people posting their disgust at the rainbows shows exactly why it's complete nonsense to believe our players will be going over there to help change their minds. Too many of them are brainwashed to be scared of rainbows.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #126 on: July 27, 2023, 02:43:11 pm »
Loads of people are posting rainbows on the twitter post, it's quite amusing!

Having said that, the number of people posting their disgust at the rainbows shows exactly why it's complete nonsense to believe our players will be going over there to help change their minds. Too many of them are brainwashed to be scared of rainbows.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. But they deserve nothing but piss taking for it.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #127 on: July 27, 2023, 02:53:16 pm »
It's ok, I'm sure one of the e-reds will be along shortly to tell us all about sharing of culture and how it's good that they are blocking it all out. Hendo must be really proud.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #128 on: July 27, 2023, 03:48:57 pm »
If I had Henderson's money I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
I wouldn't now and I'm skint.
He is a dickhead for going, as are Gerrard, Fowler and Firmino.
None of them need the money. Some things are more important.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #129 on: July 27, 2023, 04:00:33 pm »
Klopp said he's a legend and i agree with him.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #130 on: July 27, 2023, 04:04:33 pm »
https://twitter.com/Ettifaq_EN/status/1684523750966849537?s=20

I wonder how Henderson feels about the black & white box effect they've put over his armband to block out the rainbow from 00:16. ::)

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #131 on: July 27, 2023, 04:42:23 pm »
Klopp said he's a legend and i agree with him.

Interesting to see how many fans agree with Klopp's assessment on Henderson's time at the club and more important how he feels about him now he's left.

Klopp obviously hugely admired Henderson on many levels during his playing career and thinks no less of him now judging by his 'farewell' statement to Henderson.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #132 on: July 27, 2023, 04:43:51 pm »
Interesting to see how many fans agree with Klopp's assessment on Henderson's time at the club and more important how he feels about him now he's left.

Klopp obviously hugely admired Henderson on many levels during his playing career and thinks no less of him now judging by his 'farewell' statement to Henderson.

Well for what he accomplished on the pitch he is and always will be a legend. 

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #133 on: July 27, 2023, 04:52:27 pm »
Interesting to see how many fans agree with Klopp's assessment on Henderson's time at the club and more important how he feels about him now he's left.

Klopp obviously hugely admired Henderson on many levels during his playing career and thinks no less of him now judging by his 'farewell' statement to Henderson.

Can't fathom whether it is pure sarcasm or just naivety?

Going on that you are serious what on earth do you expect Klopp to say about a captain who just left? You want him to say "He dropped us in the shit pre-season and well, you know, he advocated for LGBT groups but now he's off to Saudi, they kill gay people and also he's dropped everything he stood for as a leader, fuck him."

He is going to do the exact same thing that the club do, and what dickhead journo's that want to tow the line will do. Unless people are living under a rock they can see what the majority of fans (not troll e-fans) and people in the city think.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #134 on: July 27, 2023, 04:56:35 pm »
All i can hope is these fucks have a really miserable time out there,get sand in their pants every day,their families give them a hard time and they fail completely.Millionaire scumbags.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #135 on: July 27, 2023, 05:11:57 pm »
Well for what he accomplished on the pitch he is and always will be a legend.

And it's not like Klopp can turn around and call him a backstabbing, money grabbing cnut like we all can.

Klopp has never publicly dressed down any LFC player that I can recall. He won't start now.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #136 on: July 27, 2023, 05:13:18 pm »
And it's not like Klopp can turn around and call him a backstabbing, money grabbing cnut like we all can.

Klopp has never publicly dressed down any LFC player that I can recall. He won't start now.

Exactly! He would never do that!

He could be there himself in a few years  ;)

I'm joking I don't think he would.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #137 on: July 27, 2023, 05:47:20 pm »
https://twitter.com/Ettifaq_EN/status/1684523750966849537?s=20

I wonder how Henderson feels about the black & white box effect they've put over his armband to block out the rainbow from 00:16. ::)


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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #138 on: July 27, 2023, 05:49:16 pm »
Someone gets executed publicly, I think - https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/21/middleeast/saudi-beheading-video/index.html (from 2015)

Not opening it but please tell me that video doesn't actually show it
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #139 on: July 27, 2023, 06:17:38 pm »
Not opening it but please tell me that video doesn't actually show it

No mate, it doesn't show the blows of the sword hitting her neck 3 times.

Though it does show her obviously distraught lying on the road, and also the executioner readying his sword to strike. The video then pauses, they announce they aren't showing the actual strikes in the video, and it cuts to seconds later when the loudspeakers are letting everyone know what has just happened.


There is also an article -with description of what occurred - with the video link.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #140 on: July 27, 2023, 07:15:32 pm »
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #141 on: July 27, 2023, 07:30:17 pm »



https://streamable.com/y52xox  :lmao :lmao :lmao


Offer him an extra bit of money and he will not give a shite.

sportswashers whitewashing rainbows out  :lmao  I hope they get a lot of rainbows posted on their social media account in response. And questions why they chose to paint over images of the rainbow armband too.


Is that real, they’ve actually blacked out the colours of the rainbow?
I mean they’re just colours on a band on someone’s arm
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #142 on: July 27, 2023, 07:33:01 pm »
Is that real, they’ve actually blacked out the colours of the rainbow?
I mean they’re just colours on a band on someone’s arm

But if the easily influenced men of Saudi Arabia see those infernal colours before you know it the debauchery of Sodom, Gomorrah and Babylon will descend upon the streets of Jeddah like a plague of locusts.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #143 on: July 27, 2023, 07:36:19 pm »
Exactly! He would never do that!

He could be there himself in a few years  ;)

I'm joking I don't think he would.

Well I certainly hoped that's what he called him in private. I'm sure Henderson will join a long list of players who regretted leaving after deciding the grass was greener elsewhere.
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« Reply #145 on: July 27, 2023, 08:27:22 pm »
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #146 on: July 27, 2023, 08:41:21 pm »
But if the easily influenced men of Saudi Arabia see those infernal colours before you know it the debauchery of Sodom, Gomorrah and Babylon will descend upon the streets of Jeddah like a plague of locusts.

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« Reply #147 on: July 27, 2023, 08:43:41 pm »
Someone should tweet that to them.
I've just put the image on the LFC Twitter page.
https://twitter.com/GHoneythunder/status/1684650112671174656

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« Reply #148 on: July 27, 2023, 08:52:04 pm »
I've just put the image on the LFC Twitter page.
https://twitter.com/GHoneythunder/status/1684650112671174656

Good man! :thumbup

I don't have twitter so can't see any comments. I hope it encourages some debate though.
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« Reply #149 on: July 27, 2023, 09:21:10 pm »
Good man! :thumbup

I don't have twitter so can't see any comments. I hope it encourages some debate though.
Not much so far, it's not been long though, viewed 17 times and liked 2 times.

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« Reply #150 on: July 27, 2023, 09:29:59 pm »
Not everyone who views can 'like' it. ;)

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« Reply #151 on: July 27, 2023, 09:37:41 pm »
Hoping it will be easy enough to ignore this circus league when it gets going? Won’t be watching any online clips and assume it’s not televised anywhere.

They'll be in the champions league within 5 years or start their own competition and just throw so much money at clubs they will be unable to resist. Will be hard to ignore it then for some.
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« Reply #152 on: July 27, 2023, 09:49:50 pm »
Exactly! He would never do that!

He could be there himself in a few years  ;)

I'm joking I don't think he would.

Honestly i think seeing Jurgen or Kenny (ok he's too old now but even doing PR work) working for any of these regimes would finish me altogether.

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« Reply #153 on: July 27, 2023, 09:56:07 pm »
Good man! :thumbup

I don't have twitter so can't see any comments. I hope it encourages some debate though.

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« Reply #154 on: July 27, 2023, 10:12:44 pm »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66324791

Sometimes actions speak louder than words.

It is not yet two years since Jordan Henderson wrote some 900 words in the Liverpool matchday programme, professing his support of Stonewall's Rainbow Laces campaign.

"I do believe when you see something that is clearly wrong and makes another human being feel excluded you should stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them," the Reds captain wrote.

They were words that solidified Henderson's status as an ally for the LGBTQ+ community. Today, they seem empty to some, leaving that same community wondering if there was ever any truth in what he wrote, after the England international joined the exodus to Saudi Arabia in signing a three-year deal at Al-Ettifaq.

To his critics, his actions seem empty too, accepting a deal that will bring him an astonishing payday - a reported £700,000 per week - in a nation where the very people he claims to support are persecuted just for being who they are.

Same-sex sexual activity is illegal in Saudi Arabia, with the death penalty a possible punishment. There have also been "consistent reports of discrimination and violence" against LGBTQ+ people in the country, according to Human Rights Watch.

That Henderson would actively choose to move to Saudi Arabia has left some fans, such as Reds supporter Keith Spooner, feeling "gutted".

"On a personal level, I can understand there's financial reasons, there's personal reasons, there's game time, but I think as an advocate or an ally of people who are LGBT, whether it's in sport or life, there are knock-ons, repercussions of your actions, and his decision to go to Saudi Arabia and play there has definitely tarnished his reputation," he told BBC Sport.

In December 2020, Spooner - who came out as gay at the age of 17 - was "completely caught off-guard" when Henderson replied to a tweet in which the Reds fan told his club's captain how his wearing of a rainbow armband - often done to support LGBTQ+ causes - had "meant the world".

Henderson told Spooner he would never walk alone - in a nod to Liverpool's anthem - in a tweet that has been liked by almost 30,000 people.

It is that same rainbow armband that is desaturated from colour to black and white for much of the promotional video Al-Ettifaq released announcing their new signing's arrival.

"Was that message an actual value that Jordan actually believed? Was it something that Liverpool Football Club believed? Or is it just a tick-box exercise?" said Spooner, 27.

"It's getting to the stage where it's getting harder and harder to see whether or not these campaigns actually have value, or whether it is the case that these people are being told to make this comment or put out this tweet."

He added: "The fact that he has now decided to move to Saudi, [given] their attitude to people like me, it does feel like part of what he would have said or previously spoken about in the past wasn't of true value, it wasn't the case that he truly believed it, so that's the big disappointment for me."
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #155 on: July 27, 2023, 10:47:09 pm »
Get to fuck with this absolute shite.  I'm fucking sick to the back teeth of being told how I'd behave in these circumstances when I'd do nothing of the fucking sort.

Just because your morals are in the gutter don't fucking tar others as the same!!
Great post, Debs.

I'm absolutely sick to death of people projecting their greed and lack of moral fibre onto the rest of us. I'm glad to be in what this poster goes onto call a minority, because it's the selfish, greedy majority that are destroying society and have destroyed the game of football. Just because you're in a majority doesn't make you right. The lunatics have taken over and they're projecting their lack of moral decency onto the rest of us.

I just saw the picture of Gerrard and Henderson on the news. It honestly made me feel sick. The blacking out of the rainbow armbands on pictures of Henderson was grotesque. Even Tom Bradbury reading News at Ten said it was depressing.

Anyway, those people who would be quite content to get their snouts in the blood money trough need to own that, but stop projecting their greed, selfishness and their moral vacuum onto others.

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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #156 on: July 28, 2023, 09:58:44 am »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66324791

Sometimes actions speak louder than words.

It is not yet two years since Jordan Henderson wrote some 900 words in the Liverpool matchday programme, professing his support of Stonewall's Rainbow Laces campaign.

"I do believe when you see something that is clearly wrong and makes another human being feel excluded you should stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them," the Reds captain wrote.

They were words that solidified Henderson's status as an ally for the LGBTQ+ community. Today, they seem empty to some, leaving that same community wondering if there was ever any truth in what he wrote, after the England international joined the exodus to Saudi Arabia in signing a three-year deal at Al-Ettifaq.

To his critics, his actions seem empty too, accepting a deal that will bring him an astonishing payday - a reported £700,000 per week - in a nation where the very people he claims to support are persecuted just for being who they are.

Same-sex sexual activity is illegal in Saudi Arabia, with the death penalty a possible punishment. There have also been "consistent reports of discrimination and violence" against LGBTQ+ people in the country, according to Human Rights Watch.

That Henderson would actively choose to move to Saudi Arabia has left some fans, such as Reds supporter Keith Spooner, feeling "gutted".

"On a personal level, I can understand there's financial reasons, there's personal reasons, there's game time, but I think as an advocate or an ally of people who are LGBT, whether it's in sport or life, there are knock-ons, repercussions of your actions, and his decision to go to Saudi Arabia and play there has definitely tarnished his reputation," he told BBC Sport.

In December 2020, Spooner - who came out as gay at the age of 17 - was "completely caught off-guard" when Henderson replied to a tweet in which the Reds fan told his club's captain how his wearing of a rainbow armband - often done to support LGBTQ+ causes - had "meant the world".

Henderson told Spooner he would never walk alone - in a nod to Liverpool's anthem - in a tweet that has been liked by almost 30,000 people.

It is that same rainbow armband that is desaturated from colour to black and white for much of the promotional video Al-Ettifaq released announcing their new signing's arrival.

"Was that message an actual value that Jordan actually believed? Was it something that Liverpool Football Club believed? Or is it just a tick-box exercise?" said Spooner, 27.

"It's getting to the stage where it's getting harder and harder to see whether or not these campaigns actually have value, or whether it is the case that these people are being told to make this comment or put out this tweet."

He added: "The fact that he has now decided to move to Saudi, [given] their attitude to people like me, it does feel like part of what he would have said or previously spoken about in the past wasn't of true value, it wasn't the case that he truly believed it, so that's the big disappointment for me."

While I agree with the articles content I find it distasteful that the BBC are getting on their high horse considering their unwavering support for ADFC and Saudicastle and their constant narrative that we should just talk about the football.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #157 on: July 28, 2023, 11:29:16 am »
I find it ‘distasteful’ that you are on your ‘high horse’ over something so irrelevant. Bigger picture.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #158 on: July 28, 2023, 11:35:29 am »
I find it ‘distasteful’ that you are on your ‘high horse’ over something so irrelevant. Bigger picture.

No surprise that the BBC gets another mention, it feels like some want the demise of it as much as the Tories do.
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Re: Stevie G and Saudi Arabia
« Reply #159 on: July 28, 2023, 11:51:48 am »
No surprise that the BBC gets another mention, it feels like some want the demise of it as much as the Tories do.

One of the few news organisations that actually lets us know what is happening in the hideous land of Saudi Arabia.
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