Author Topic: Offensive 96 t shirt (Read 15717 times)

El Lobo · « **Reply #40 on:** March 15, 2018, 10:25:12 pm »

It really does boggle the mind how this sort of thing gets through the amount of sign offs this sort of thing needs to go through without just one person saying um....are you serious...??

iAnfieldRoad · « **Reply #41 on:** March 15, 2018, 10:27:40 pm »

Just emailed them so we shall see what they have got to say about this.

Filler. · « **Reply #42 on:** March 15, 2018, 10:37:16 pm »

Topman might have a line of course in slightly obscure (and obscured) pop cultural reference points that often hybrid with a variety of spiritual principles tho?

redalways · « **Reply #43 on:** March 15, 2018, 10:42:07 pm »

Sure it is a coincidence and not intentional. Equally sure they will realise it is offensive and will withdraw it from sale in the UK.

Franny · « **Reply #44 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:04:56 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on March 15, 2018, 09:33:19 pm

http://help.topman.com/system/templates/selfservice/topman/#!portal/403700000001052/article/Prod-2444/How-do-I-contact-Customer-Care

There is a call and email icon. Select a subject and then click submit and then you can enter your email and message. It works as I've had an auto reply off them

Thanks Rob just sent email

Filler. · « **Reply #45 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:08:25 pm »

Maybe it's also a fashion statement... that it's OK to be ignorant. There is a gap there after all. As a British company, to not know that this might look a little odd is quite staggering. Come shop at Topman... we're ALL ignorant here. You're forced to see them in this way I think. Maybe people DO like to be seen as ignorant? Or maybe their turnaround is so fast, that a massive pissed up binge and loads of lines back at the design execs penthouse gaff one night, gets processed so fast that it's out to buy by 7am that same day before any fucker can go 'er?'?

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #46 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:42:09 pm »

Quote from: Original on March 15, 2018, 08:29:49 pm

Anyone got a clue what the fuck this is all about?

https://m.us.topman.com/en/tmus/product/red-goes-around-t-shirt-7479993

They've taken the page down now by the looks of it!

Thé_Ḓárk_P̌áşşéngér · « **Reply #47 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:49:11 pm »

Quote from: Ratboy3G on March 15, 2018, 11:42:09 pm

They've taken the page down now by the looks of it!

No, they haven't.

http://www.topman.com/en/tmuk/product/new-in-140500/new-this-week-2394139/red-goes-around-t-shirt-7479986?bi=40&ps=20

Ratboy3G · « **Reply #48 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:51:37 pm »

Quote from: Thé_Ḓárk_P̌áşşéngér on March 15, 2018, 11:49:11 pm

No, they haven't.

http://www.topman.com/en/tmuk/product/new-in-140500/new-this-week-2394139/red-goes-around-t-shirt-7479986?bi=40&ps=20

Well it did go down, its back up now which is bizarre

Rush 82 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:56:29 pm »

Has anyone had a reply from Topman around what the shirt is about?

Mighty_Red · « **Reply #50 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:57:44 pm »

Quote from: Filler. on March 15, 2018, 11:08:25 pm

Or maybe their turnaround is so fast, that a massive pissed up binge and loads of lines back at the design execs penthouse gaff one night, gets processed so fast that it's out to buy by 7am that same day before any fucker can go 'er?'?

you forgot "Organise a photoshoot with said shirt"

It'll be interesting to see what their excuse is, and what their design reasons were. Reall, their only chance to stop this from snowballing is to own up and admit that this got through their qc and sack the designer in question.

If not, I feel a mass boycott coming on. I certainly won't be giving those c*nts money.

johnj147 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:04:55 am »

shocking

nellyp · « **Reply #52 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:06:37 am »

email sent

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #53 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:07:24 am »

Quote from: Rush 82 on March 15, 2018, 11:56:29 pm

Has anyone had a reply from Topman around what the shirt is about?

If they don't even reply we will need to mobilise the internet terrorists.

aceface9 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:12:03 am »

Absolutely furious. Fuck off with your Marley reasoning. Blatant dig at the 96 and their loved ones.

Beyond disrespectful.

[You may have an iPhone but you are still using the free version of Tapatalk and spamming us with that knowledge]

B0151? · « **Reply #55 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:14:15 am »

I thought it was a football shirt (a Liverpool one at that) when I saw the thumbnail of BBC story. Find coincidence hard to believe and I'm very uncynical usually

Filler. · « **Reply #56 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:33:02 am »

Quote from: Mighty_Red on March 15, 2018, 11:57:44 pm

you forgot "Organise a photoshoot with said shirt"

I didn't forget anything - there are dozens of levels of communication that go into the production of a shirt in a multi million pound business, and not one person asked a question? I find that very difficult to believe.

S · « **Reply #57 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:33:37 am »

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. “What goes around comes around” could easily be in reference to the number 96 itself, which reads the same upside down. These kind of designs that place a load of seemingly random symbols onto a shirt are pretty commonplace, so it’s not too hard to imagine they’d stumble upon such an unfortunate combination by sheer luck.

When word gets through they’ll take it down.

NYCRedsFan · « **Reply #58 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:41:07 am »

Quote from: Ratboy3G on March 15, 2018, 11:42:09 pm

They've taken the page down now by the looks of it!

They haven't on the US Website either. I went into the comment section of the page and replied with a calm but strongly worded statement on how the shirt design is offensive to Liverpool FC supporters in the UK and around the world. Let's see what happens.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #59 on:** March 16, 2018, 12:51:57 am »

Looks like it’s down again.

Filler. · « **Reply #60 on:** March 16, 2018, 01:01:13 am »

Quote from: S on March 16, 2018, 12:33:37 am

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. “What goes around comes around” could easily be in reference to the number 96 itself, which reads the same upside down. These kind of designs that place a load of seemingly random symbols onto a shirt are pretty commonplace, so it’s not too hard to imagine they’d stumble upon such an unfortunate combination by sheer luck.

When word gets through they’ll take it down.

The 9 and the 6 thing still doesn't cash out with me. Left alone it looks ridiculous. Tied in with a release by Bob Marley 22 years ago looks ridiculous. In red, the rose... the Indian philosophy. I mean what the actual fuck is that?

Redsnappa · « **Reply #61 on:** March 16, 2018, 01:08:01 am »

Is this some sort of calculated Marketing gamble at our expense?

How would it even make it on sale otherwise, it just shouts 'this is wrong'.

alvaro · « **Reply #62 on:** March 16, 2018, 01:13:43 am »

It could be coincidence but unfortunately it's just much more likely that someone involved in the design had bad faith.
I obviously don't think it's the policy of the entire brand but someone somewhere acted in bad faith in the process.
A shame really.

me76 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 16, 2018, 01:21:22 am »

Unbelievable. Fucking hell.

Son of Spion · « **Reply #64 on:** March 16, 2018, 01:59:27 am »

Deliberate or not, it needs pulling, and quick. It feeds the false narrative some fans of certain clubs have, and if it was intentional then someone needs sacking. Pretty grotesque if there was actually malicious intent.

Djozer · « **Reply #65 on:** March 16, 2018, 02:32:42 am »

This is pretty fucked. Either a mad coincidence or someone's been a proper nasty piece of work. Surely they'll pull it after all this.

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #66 on:** March 16, 2018, 03:07:35 am »

Anyone who knows anything about design will tell you how methodical and calculating it is, no matter what they are designing. To have that many elements in it pertaining to Hillsborough is no coincidence, nor is it an accumulative accident. Some snide bastards have knocked that out intentionally knowing what it looked like.

Crouch Potato · « **Reply #67 on:** March 16, 2018, 03:17:00 am »

What's the chance of them bringing a t-shirt linked to a bloody Bob Marley album from way back and just happening to mention the year of release in such big bloody numbers on it??

Total bollocks, their "explanation".

JasonF · « **Reply #68 on:** March 16, 2018, 03:19:46 am »

The Bob Marley excuse isn't even a very good one. The song is "What Goes Around Comes Around" and the t-shirt says "What Goes Around Comes Back Around". It's not exactly what you'd call Bob Marley colours either, you'd expect some yellow and/or green in there.

bornandbRED · « **Reply #69 on:** March 16, 2018, 03:34:20 am »

That's absolutely intentional. The exact designer should be traced and shamed.

liverpool185 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 16, 2018, 03:41:59 am »

Its a Bob Marley song from 1996, read the lyrics to the song like, the outrage is nonsense. It clearly isn't a reference to Hillsborough and its extremely strange that people are trying to make that connection. Not everything is about Liverpool ffs.

Here's another example..

As is Topman is going to release a shirt mocking Hillsborough, like fucking hell come on like

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #71 on:** March 16, 2018, 04:08:02 am »

What is that shirt referring to?

Thé_Ḓárk_P̌áşşéngér · « **Reply #72 on:** March 16, 2018, 04:22:44 am »

Quote from: liverpool185 on March 16, 2018, 03:41:59 am

Its a Bob Marley song from 1996, read the lyrics to the song like, the outrage is nonsense. It clearly isn't a reference to Hillsborough and its extremely strange that people are trying to make that connection. Not everything is about Liverpool ffs.

As if Topman is going to release a shirt mocking Hillsborough, like fucking hell come on like

And you call yourself a Liverpool fan? Shame on fucking you.

Firstly, you have no idea that the whole thing hasn't been conjured up by a couple of low-life, smartarse designers trying to make a name for themselves. You read like the kind of muppet who would have believed the initial media stories following Hillsborough. "No, definitely no cover-up here, mate. This is the cops we're talking about here. As if they'd do summat like that."

Secondly, the fact there is any possible ambiguity, which I very much doubt, is enough for Topman to remove them immediately before they cause anymore hurt.

You're either incredibly naive, a fucking idiot or a troll.

sms1986 · « **Reply #73 on:** March 16, 2018, 05:50:09 am »

Quote from: liverpool185 on March 16, 2018, 03:41:59 am

Its a Bob Marley song from 1996, read the lyrics to the song like, the outrage is nonsense. It clearly isn't a reference to Hillsborough and its extremely strange that people are trying to make that connection. Not everything is about Liverpool ffs.

Here's another example..

As is Topman is going to release a shirt mocking Hillsborough, like fucking hell come on like

That does make the red one look more like a stupid mistake rather than anything intentional.

sms1986 · « **Reply #74 on:** March 16, 2018, 06:25:33 am »

There's also a blue 95 boroughs one going around but I can't find an image of it. They seem to be just particularly ugly shirts, with the red one being something they should have realised.

PoetryInMotion96 · « **Reply #75 on:** March 16, 2018, 06:36:28 am »

On BBC news now. Saying it was a mistake and not intentional. Part of a range of shirts.

sms1986 · « **Reply #76 on:** March 16, 2018, 06:41:52 am »

Quote from: PoetryInMotion96 on March 16, 2018, 06:36:28 am

On BBC news now. Saying it was a mistake and not intentional. Part of a range of shirts.

I would agree that it's not intentional (although they should really have caught it before the shirt was released) as there is a white and a blue shirt with a similar design - if the 96 one had been in white or blue, it could easily have not been seen as mocking the 96.

Rush 82 · « **Reply #77 on:** March 16, 2018, 06:48:49 am »

Helluva co-incidence but it does happen.

Now that it's been highlighted just pull it and be done with the mess.

The reality is that most people outside of the LFC world would have absolutely no idea of the significance of the confluence of those elements.

has gone odd · « **Reply #78 on:** March 16, 2018, 07:20:51 am »

the fact that its red and looks like a football shirt has nothing to do with the marley song .. fuck top shop, grubby cheap shit cess pit of clothing anyway.

Jack the Red · « **Reply #79 on:** March 16, 2018, 07:28:01 am »

Intentional or not, I do find it offensive either way. How the fuck did nobody in the design process go "hang on a minute..."? They've surely got to see sense and pull it from sale.

As for this...

Quote from: liverpool185 on March 16, 2018, 03:41:59 am

Its a Bob Marley song from 1996, read the lyrics to the song like, the outrage is nonsense. It clearly isn't a reference to Hillsborough and its extremely strange that people are trying to make that connection. Not everything is about Liverpool ffs.

Here's another example..

As is Topman is going to release a shirt mocking Hillsborough, like fucking hell come on like

...you can fuck right off, you're obviously trolling here. I'm not one to jump on people's post history, but yours is shocking.