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Re: Robertson
« Reply #760 on: January 17, 2018, 07:45:50 pm »
Are off-ball movements documented in XG statistics? I think Moreno has better delivery around the box but Robertson, visually at least, makes better and more consistent runs off the ball to inject momentum if an attack is bogged down.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #761 on: January 17, 2018, 09:23:57 pm »
Robertson's fantastic and I hope he continues to make that position his own from now on. But I think it's testament to Moreno's improvement that we are no longer worried about the left back situation. A problem situation for so many years yet the outstanding performances of Robertson lately and Moreno's all round improvement has suddenly made this position the least of our concerns now. Just think that four years back we were desperately shoe-horning the likes of Cissokho in to try and plug the gap (similar scenario at right back a few years ago - see the unbelievably ineffective Manquillo).

It's great to see - he's a player who always meant well but just didn't have the mindset. Nice to see him getting a reprieve and finally showing his worth.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #762 on: January 18, 2018, 05:03:01 am »
Agree with the first part. Having said that- when has Sterling ever had a good game against us. I think he is easily intimidated especially when playing against us.
Disagree with the 2nd part. Robertson is better defensively but in no way superior on attack. He can develop that aspect of his game but Moreno would get the nod in attack.
Klopp will probably rotate depending on the opposition but right now Robertson keeps his place.

We really don't need our defenders attacking though - we are more than fine up front.

We need defenders that can fucking defend !!  ;D

As said above anyway , he is pretty good going forwards and has tons of energy - did you see him go after their defence in the second half ?

Can also whip a decent cross in most of the time too.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #763 on: January 18, 2018, 06:10:54 am »
Interesting comments from Ben Arfa back in 2015 when he was loaned there at Hull

“In fairness, they’re just not very good,” the 30-year-old told Laurens. “It’s a team with Alex Bruce in it. But there’s one who can be super, super, super good… And that’s Robertson.”
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #764 on: January 18, 2018, 07:24:15 am »
We really don't need our defenders attacking though - we are more than fine up front.

We need defenders that can fucking defend !!  ;D

As said above anyway , he is pretty good going forwards and has tons of energy - did you see him go after their defence in the second half ?

Can also whip a decent cross in most of the time too.

If you believe that we do not need defenders to attack, I am not sure that you understand Klopp's system and philosophy. Have a look at Robertson's attacking performance against Everton in the league game when they were awarded the controversial penalty.
No doubt he can whip in a good cross but the team together with Robertson still needs to work on an end product.
Yes- I did see his pressing in the second half and it is something not new to our team and is exactly what is expected in the current system. In any other system, it would be construed as a foolish and headless chicken run- Moreno was accused of this in the game against Hoffenheim.
I like Robertson and do believe that he has the potential to be a great player / asset. All I wish to achieve is to temper the hyperbole and the blind spot some or a large part of our fanbase have displayed when it comes to his performances. How are the fans going to react when he has a bad run or is he going to be given a free pass?  It is the same blindspot  our fans had in regard to Clyne. He was poor offensively in the sense that his delivery was not great given the time he had on the ball. He made mistakes defensively as well like all defenders do. That is not to castigate him but rather to point out that we defend as a team and small errors across the pitch usually led to one player being held accountable. Clearly, the glaring mistakes are inexcusable. These mistakes will happen and you just hope that the player learns from it.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #765 on: January 19, 2018, 12:00:28 am »
Interesting comments from Ben Arfa back in 2015 when he was loaned there at Hull

“In fairness, they’re just not very good,” the 30-year-old told Laurens. “It’s a team with Alex Bruce in it. But there’s one who can be super, super, super good… And that’s Robertson.”

Ben Arfa's a bit of a nutter but good to hear Robertson getting good reviews.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #766 on: January 19, 2018, 05:57:06 am »
Ben Arfa's a bit of a nutter but good to hear Robertson getting good reviews.

We should hire him as a scout. He has en eye to spot good players.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #767 on: January 19, 2018, 06:01:20 am »
The guy turns 24 in the next 2 months so we're in for a ride.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #768 on: January 19, 2018, 06:10:48 am »
If you believe that we do not need defenders to attack, I am not sure that you understand Klopp's system and philosophy. Have a look at Robertson's attacking performance against Everton in the league game when they were awarded the controversial penalty.
No doubt he can whip in a good cross but the team together with Robertson still needs to work on an end product.
Yes- I did see his pressing in the second half and it is something not new to our team and is exactly what is expected in the current system. In any other system, it would be construed as a foolish and headless chicken run- Moreno was accused of this in the game against Hoffenheim.
I like Robertson and do believe that he has the potential to be a great player / asset. All I wish to achieve is to temper the hyperbole and the blind spot some or a large part of our fanbase have displayed when it comes to his performances. How are the fans going to react when he has a bad run or is he going to be given a free pass?  It is the same blindspot  our fans had in regard to Clyne. He was poor offensively in the sense that his delivery was not great given the time he had on the ball. He made mistakes defensively as well like all defenders do. That is not to castigate him but rather to point out that we defend as a team and small errors across the pitch usually led to one player being held accountable. Clearly, the glaring mistakes are inexcusable. These mistakes will happen and you just hope that the player learns from it.

Robertson seems much less prone to "brainfarts" than Moreno. Ideally we would have a player that combines Moreno's attacking prowess with (although it's early days) Robertson's defensive capabilities. I think we will see that he will edge out Moreno due to his game intelligence and superior defensive capabilities. Although it is early days , I also think he has a better end product in the final third than Moreno too.

I perfectly understand Klopp's system and philosophy thank you , but there comes a time when we need defenders with the intelligence and spatial awareness to know how to defend under pressure which Moreno has again and again shows he lacks. I also think he is better offensively than either Clyne or Moreno and our fullbacks should be Robertson and TAA.  Along with Van Dijk and Matip/Lovren in the middle I think we finally have a defence that will be difficult to break down.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #769 on: January 19, 2018, 06:55:45 am »
Robertson seems much less prone to "brainfarts" than Moreno. Ideally we would have a player that combines Moreno's attacking prowess with (although it's early days) Robertson's defensive capabilities. I think we will see that he will edge out Moreno due to his game intelligence and superior defensive capabilities. Although it is early days , I also think he has a better end product in the final third than Moreno too.

I perfectly understand Klopp's system and philosophy thank you , but there comes a time when we need defenders with the intelligence and spatial awareness to know how to defend under pressure which Moreno has again and again shows he lacks. I also think he is better offensively than either Clyne or Moreno and our fullbacks should be Robertson and TAA.  Along with Van Dijk and Matip/Lovren in the middle I think we finally have a defence that will be difficult to break down.

I agree with most of the points raised. You, however, appear to miss the point I am making. I do not intend to make a comparison between them as both have weaknesses and strengths. Moreno is also 20 months older. Robertson sample size is small and whilst there have been positive and negative aspects to his game, it is too soon to be going overboard as fans are prone to do. I again refer to the derby game in the league where he offered little going forward despite Everton defending deep. Rooney"s diagonal cross leading to the penalty came from his side of the pitch.
Both Moreno and Robertson will benefit from having VVD playing next to them and I therefore anticipate a vast improvement in our play on that side of the pitch. As Moreno is quicker than Robertson, does Klopp use him differently in that he is deployed a lot higher on the pitch due to the pace of VVD and the recovering ability of Moreno?  Which side is to be the attacking outlet will depend on the fullbacks deployed on either side. One will be more defensive than the other thereby exposing such flank and player. That will be where the risk play is and where the defender may become exposed.
Anyway, I digress and have in a way made a comparison. I just shudder to think the fans reaction when Moreno next plays and makes a mistake. Will his every moment be scrutinized?? Pundits will have a field day. He is a marked man in the same way Karius is.  I do agree  that defensively Robertson is the better bet in the "bigger" games. However, is that Klopp's philosophy and does it detract from his style of defending from the top.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #770 on: January 22, 2018, 12:49:43 pm »
I'm not sure if it's been answered but is he classed as homegrown?

I don't think he is, but would be bonus if he is.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #771 on: January 22, 2018, 01:15:23 pm »
I'm not sure if it's been answered but is he classed as homegrown?

I don't think he is, but would be bonus if he is.
Pretty sure he isn't unfortunately. Think only English and Welsh players count, otherwise you have to spend at least three years under 21 at an English or Welsh club and he didn't leave Scotland until he was 20.

Just looking at his history, mad that he was still playing in the fourth tier of Scottish footy at 19. Seems to have had a few quantum leaps in his career and adapted well each time.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #772 on: January 22, 2018, 07:04:51 pm »
This lad is due a goal.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #773 on: January 22, 2018, 10:18:24 pm »
Played back pass all game today. Take some players on lad

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #774 on: January 22, 2018, 10:20:43 pm »
Played back pass all game today. Take some players on lad
yep that is only gripe with him .. moreno is same .. will never take a man on an cross ,, gomez he is worse

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #775 on: January 22, 2018, 10:26:24 pm »
His final ball was poor today.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #776 on: January 22, 2018, 10:28:15 pm »
There's a post match discussion thread guys  :wave

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #777 on: February 5, 2018, 11:11:38 am »
Was that his worst game for us to date? Not terrible but didn't value add yesterday.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #778 on: February 5, 2018, 12:07:00 pm »
He adds more to our defensive set up than he does to our attack and while some of the crosses we saw from him yesterday were poor his main responsibility of keeping the backline tight was good I thought. TAA had a lot more freedom in getting forward so it was important to balance that off with Robertson as no way could we start with both TAA and Moreno. In today's market he is a bargain as still quite young, has shown to be a solid defender with a flair for the odd great attack mixed in with the usual hoof cross that you expect from a 23 year old who's still finding his feet at a big club. Honestly think he will be around for a few years as delighted with the impact he has made this season.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #779 on: February 5, 2018, 12:55:28 pm »
He adds more to our defensive set up than he does to our attack and while some of the crosses we saw from him yesterday were poor his main responsibility of keeping the backline tight was good I thought. TAA had a lot more freedom in getting forward so it was important to balance that off with Robertson as no way could we start with both TAA and Moreno. In today's market he is a bargain as still quite young, has shown to be a solid defender with a flair for the odd great attack mixed in with the usual hoof cross that you expect from a 23 year old who's still finding his feet at a big club. Honestly think he will be around for a few years as delighted with the impact he has made this season.

Being 23 years old is no excuse for thoughtless and needlessly hurried crosses. Perhaps it is down to who he has played for before us rather than his age? He had 60% passing success overall. That was not down to his age.


TAA is much younger and could possibly have the excuse of age. TAA had 50% passing success, but he was far more effective offensively overall in the positions he took up and the threat of his crosses.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #780 on: February 5, 2018, 01:02:02 pm »
not his best game...but wasn't alone in that....boss little player - one of the highlight's of the season has been has first-team breakthrough.....keep it up Robbo :thumbup
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #781 on: February 5, 2018, 01:17:54 pm »
Always feels right to have a Scot in a Liverpool team..areas for improvement in going forward, but Im old fashioned and like my fullbacks to be good in defending as their priority, and he his...tenacious!

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #782 on: February 5, 2018, 03:17:45 pm »
What's happened to his final third delivery? When we signed him wasn't his crossing one of his main strengths and when he played his first game he was whipping great balls in for fun. Now it's gone to total shit. Why is that? He still has the same technical ability as before. The pressure of playing for us isn't effecting other parts of his game. He's wasting so many good opportunities. It'll be shame if it starts to undermine his performances.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #783 on: February 5, 2018, 05:27:29 pm »
What's happened to his final third delivery? When we signed him wasn't his crossing one of his main strengths and when he played his first game he was whipping great balls in for fun. Now it's gone to total shit. Why is that? He still has the same technical ability as before. The pressure of playing for us isn't effecting other parts of his game. He's wasting so many good opportunities. It'll be shame if it starts to undermine his performances.

Personally my first choice at left back , very good defending and positional play .
Crossing v Spurs let him down but thought he was crossing to early and prefer when he gets down the wing and crosses better on the run

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #784 on: February 5, 2018, 08:08:40 pm »
What's happened to his final third delivery? When we signed him wasn't his crossing one of his main strengths and when he played his first game he was whipping great balls in for fun. Now it's gone to total shit. Why is that? He still has the same technical ability as before. The pressure of playing for us isn't effecting other parts of his game. He's wasting so many good opportunities. It'll be shame if it starts to undermine his performances.

It may just be a question of adjusting to playing with faster, more technical players.

I can't imagine his previous clubs moved up the pitch so quickly.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #785 on: February 6, 2018, 09:08:02 am »
To be fair to him, and also TAA, every time they got the ball in the second half everyone ran away from them so all they could do was punt it down the line and hope for the best, it was (for me anyway) the reason we lost control in the second half. Our midfield weren't showing for a pass inside at all and we kept ceding possession to Spurs who were eventually going to make us pay and so it was.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #786 on: February 8, 2018, 10:17:39 am »
Graham Hunters Podcast " The Big Interview" this week features Andy Robertson.

Just had a listen on my way into work, a really good insight into many thing you don't hear about. How players react to fans, some bits about his journey up to the point he is at now, and how he is adapting to the club and coaching under Jürgen and the coaches. He also gets asked about his pressing against City!

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #787 on: February 8, 2018, 10:31:14 am »
Graham Hunters Podcast " The Big Interview" this week features Andy Robertson.

Just had a listen on my way into work, a really good insight into many thing you don't hear about. How players react to fans, some bits about his journey up to the point he is at now, and how he is adapting to the club and coaching under Jürgen and the coaches. He also gets asked about his pressing against City!

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #788 on: February 11, 2018, 09:58:55 pm »
Good signing, this one.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #789 on: February 11, 2018, 10:02:42 pm »
he got caught out badly on a couple of crosses today - reminded me of the complaints we have with Gomez. But still is lively and a steal for the price.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #790 on: February 11, 2018, 10:09:52 pm »
I'd have been gutted to see this lad go somewhere else for £8m and become really good, definitely up there with the better full backs in the league.

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« Reply #791 on: February 11, 2018, 10:12:36 pm »
I'd have been gutted to see this lad go somewhere else for £8m and become really good, definitely up there with the better full backs in the league.

He needs to work on his crosses. He's a steal alright and just to think Everton are desperate for a left back. He's probably too much of a bargain for those high rollers.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #792 on: February 11, 2018, 10:31:45 pm »
Dragged us 60 yards up the pitch a few times today with his running. Rather that than us fanny about in midfield.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #793 on: February 11, 2018, 10:31:46 pm »
he got caught out badly on a couple of crosses today - reminded me of the complaints we have with Gomez. But still is lively and a steal for the price.

I agree, he was poor defensively in certain situations today. Perhaps his worst game so far.

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« Reply #794 on: February 11, 2018, 10:35:15 pm »
I agree, he was poor defensively in certain situations today. Perhaps his worst game so far.

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« Reply #795 on: February 11, 2018, 10:38:28 pm »
I agree, he was poor defensively in certain situations today. Perhaps his worst game so far.
If that's the case then it's a testament to how well he's performed since coming here.

I do agree, first half he struggled dealing with a few crosses. Think it was a one-off though, as he's usually alright.

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« Reply #796 on: February 11, 2018, 10:50:02 pm »
he got caught out badly on a couple of crosses today - reminded me of the complaints we have with Gomez. But still is lively and a steal for the price.

One cross, which happens and the onus - as the manager said - is to stop them at source and then for the keeper to help if god forbid it can't be dealt with. He was good for completely different reasons than usual; his passing was probably better than any of the midfielders as well.

This isn't a go at you by the way but I'm over this obsession with micro-analysing every error that can invariably happen in a game of football; every player makes errors, you could probably find a clip of Maldini losing the flight of the ball away to Foggia or something in 1992 if you scoured hard enough. Bad players make lots of them, good players make them occasionally and great players make them rarely.


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« Reply #797 on: February 11, 2018, 10:53:08 pm »
One cross, which happens and the onus - as the manager said - is to stop them at source and then for the keeper to help if god forbid it can't be dealt with. He was good for completely different reasons than usual; his passing was probably better than any of the midfielders as well.

This isn't a go at you by the way but I'm over this obsession with micro-analysing every error that can invariably happen in a game of football; every player makes errors, you could probably find a clip of Maldini losing the flight of the ball away to Foggia or something in 1992 if you scoured hard enough. Bad players make lots of them, good players make them occasionally and great players make them rarely.


Back to Robbo, should have had an assist as well, great ball he put across in the second half, deserved someone gambling on it.

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Re: Robertson
« Reply #798 on: February 11, 2018, 10:53:16 pm »
If that's the case then it's a testament to how well he's performed since coming here.

I do agree, first half he struggled dealing with a few crosses. Think it was a one-off though, as he's usually alright.

I was about to reply the exact same thing when I read the initial post ;)

He's an extremely tidy player. Might have missed a couple of crosses today, but at the other end of the pitch, he put in a couple of beauties which we should look to attack at the far post.

I feel really assured with him playing at LB. Could be a very solid starter for us for years to come.
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Re: Robertson
« Reply #799 on: February 11, 2018, 10:58:01 pm »
I much prefer Robertson as LB then brain fart Moreno. We look far more composed and he seems to have more positional sense than Moreno.

For me it’s now finding the right blend of Centre Half that includes VVD for us to have that solid defence.
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