Topic: Tories really really aren't very nice at all are they? (***)

[west_london_red]

Faisal Islam says the Torys plan is to educate younger voters on what it's like to live under a left wing government, in other words try and scare the s.. out of them and throw the dirt. this nice caring Conservative party are going to be a bit more nastier from now on.

Thank god for that. There’s me worrying the Tories might get their shit together after their cock-up this year and actually try and offer something positive to voters, but instead it looks like they will carry on doing what failed so miserably 4 months ago.

[oldfordie]

Thank god for that. There’s me worrying the Tories might get their shit together after their cock-up this year and actually try and offer something positive to voters, but instead it looks like they will carry on doing what failed so miserably 4 months ago.

I do think the Torys have lost the confidence of the country but I wouldn't underestimate the damage scare tactics can do. am pretty sure they will soon be telling us a left wing Labour government will result in inflation and high interest rates. mortgages payments will rise and people will loose their homes. people get scared and take what they believe to be the safe option and vote Tory.
It may well work if the next GE was in the near future. problem is the Torys face massive problems over the next few yrs. inflation will rises anyway, so will interest rates, the effect of Brexit will become even more of a realty, theyve F.. up badly and they won't be able to hide it.

[Libertine]

Ha, great thread about the idiocy of libertarians.

1. The reason I know that hard right libertarians are completely stupid is because I used to be one.

https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status/914757983841800193

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Ha, great thread about the idiocy of libertarians.

1. The reason I know that hard right libertarians are completely stupid is because I used to be one.

https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status/914757983841800193

I was going to say I enjoyed reading that, but then I realised the reason it has been written is because people actually believe that there is no need for the standards he talks about. Horrific really.

[Thush]

Ha, great thread about the idiocy of libertarians.

1. The reason I know that hard right libertarians are completely stupid is because I used to be one.

https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status/914757983841800193

Here's the whole thing.

1. The reason I know that hard right libertarians are completely stupid is because I used to be one.

2. I know how they think, I know what they are informed by and I know where the ideological fault-lines are.

3. It's all predicated on the naive view that trade would function better if unimpeded by government intervention.

4. But this is a typically spoiled Toryboy western-centric view from those who don't experience what "free trade" does.

5. You see, Africa has only limited trade governance. And that means a container load of medicine can be 70% fake.

6. It means there is a good chance that baby formula has been cut with a form of powdered floor bleach.

7. It might very well mean that airline spares have been salvaged from a wreck on the side of a mountain.

8. And with no rapid alert systems and no pesky "faceless bureaucrats", local authorities are not forewarned.

9. Libertarianism generally forgets that people are bastard coated bastards with a bastard filling.

10. And if it weren't for standards, the Disney plate you serve your kids dinner on would release formaldehyde the first time its microwaved

11. It's worth a quick chat with a customs official for tales of just how creative some evil greedy, bastards can be.

12. But all this in the mind of free trade onanists like JRM and Redwood is just "red rape". Piffling details.

13. Fraud, counterfeiting and malicious tampering is a very serious threat to trade. So are animal diseases and alien parasites.

14. The reason we are barely aware of the controls to prevent it is because, compared with elsewhere, our systems work quite well.

15. It's all part of the "invisible government" that we take for granted. That's why toryboy morons assume we can get rid of it.

16. To them, these non tariff barriers are just protectionist devices cooked up by Brussels bureaucrats with nothing better to do.

17. So let us put this to the test shall we?

18. If JRM thinks deregulation to African levels is right for the UK let him put his money where his mouth is.

19. Let's let him pick one, from three containers of baby milk, to feed the latest of his brood.

20. Let's lace one of them with powdered floor bleach and ask him to take the gamble.

21. What then do you suppose the arsehole's view on non-tariff barriers would be? I wonder.

22. Brexiteers really need a rethink on regulation.

https://t.co/7s1X66AxAC

[west_london_red]

I do think the Torys have lost the confidence of the country but I wouldn't underestimate the damage scare tactics can do. am pretty sure they will soon be telling us a left wing Labour government will result in inflation and high interest rates. mortgages payments will rise and people will loose their homes. people get scared and take what they believe to be the safe option and vote Tory.
It may well work if the next GE was in the near future. problem is the Torys face massive problems over the next few yrs. inflation will rises anyway, so will interest rates, the effect of Brexit will become even more of a realty, theyve F.. up badly and they won't be able to hide it.

If the Brexit vote has told us one thing it’s that the old rules don’t apply anymore, and that there is a decent sized and growing proportion of the population who either have so little or are so disenchanted that fears and warnings of economic ruin no longer carries the weight it once did.

[oldfordie]

If the Brexit vote has told us one thing it’s that the old rules don’t apply anymore, and that there is a decent sized and growing proportion of the population who either have so little or are so disenchanted that fears and warnings of economic ruin no longer carries the weight it once did.

Scare tactics will always work if people are willing to listen ,am not sure your 100% right about scare tactics not working during the Brexit campaign, farages bursting point poster. we cant stop Turkey from joining the EU. look at our NHS now and look how good it will be when we leave the EU.I think Brexit was more emotional than logical to millions of leave voters.
Having said that I agree about all the old rules not applying anymore, a hint of communism would be the kiss of death in the past. theres not the same impact with younger voters today.
McDonnell has made some terrible mistakes over the years, his latest gift to the Torys is the run in the pound. the Torys don't really need to make stuff up they only need to hammer all the dirt they know the Labour leadership can't deny. if we didn't have Brexit and the GE was 2 yrs away I would argue this would work. the realty for the Torys is they've messed up badly, the Torys wont have the credibility to sling mud at the next GE.  the debt will rise, we will probably have a couple of disastrous winters for the NHS. who knows what Brexit will bring over the next few yrs but it won't be good news. in normal circumstances this would mean a landslide Labour victory, I wouldn't take it for granted though.

[stara]

Fuckwitted Pob lookalike Michael Gove: “There are some cuts of the animal that are hugely popular with the British consumer, others a little less. But some of those cuts are hugely popular elsewhere, say, for example, pigs’ ears are a delicacy in China. ... Unpierced pigs ears are worth more. We will have a fair, competitive advantage – we can sell more pigs’ ears to China."

Farming minister George Eustice has also explained that farmers could gain a financial advantage after Brexit by increasing exports of chicken feet to China.

 

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Fucking hell

[Inpeace]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/03/michael-gove-made-a-pigs-ear-of-it-over-eu-animal-rules-say-farmers

[Elmo!]

We'd make more money selling whole pigs heads to Tories.

[oldfordie]

James O'brien thought someone was on a wind up when he got told about Gove and his pigs ears.
If there reduced to coming out with arguments like this then it shows us just how bad the argument for Brexit is.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-priceless-reaction-to-michael-goves/?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

[TravisBickle]

For the first time, you can tell they're genuinely rattled over Brexit.

[TepidT2O]

Blimey... pigs ears....  absurd

[Peabee]

Pigs ears and chicken feet. That's the future. Not robots and AI. 

[12C]

Pigs ears and chicken feet. That's the future. Not robots and AI.

Knowing Johnson he will sell them pigs feet and chickens ears. Whilst making totally inappropriate references to Chinese history and culture

[Peabee]

Knowing Johnson he will sell them pigs feet and chickens ears. Whilst making totally inappropriate references to Chinese history and culture

Maybe he'll suggest selling them opium again to deal with the trade imbalance...

[Red Beret]

That's right up there with that GOP nutter telling the middle class they can spend their extra thousand tax break dollars a year by buying a new car.

[Elmo!]

[Trada]

 Rowena Mason ‏Verified account @rowenamason

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson really did just say Sirte in Libya will be a great tourist destination once they've "cleared the dead bodies" - v v bad taste

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Rowena Mason ‏Verified account @rowenamason

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson really did just say Sirte in Libya will be a great tourist destination once they've "cleared the dead bodies" - v v bad taste

Yep.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-libya-dead-body-comments-new-dubai-tory-conference-2017-a7981551.html


"He's very intelligent though."

[12C]

Wiff waff, mumble, bugger the Sphinx, inscrutable smile, what!
Horrible bastard ain’t he

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Wiff waff, mumble, bugger the Sphinx, inscrutable smile, what!
Horrible bastard ain’t he

I think he really is mate. He likes to pretend he's a clown, a buffoon, a rogue - but in fact he's a horrible bastard as you said.

He doesn't do anything for the UK or the Queen or the Country or his party or his voters or what's right.

He does everything for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

[oldfordie]

Rowena Mason ‏Verified account @rowenamason

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson really did just say Sirte in Libya will be a great tourist destination once they've "cleared the dead bodies" - v v bad taste

What more does he have to do to get fired, am not sure if he wants to force a show down or distance himself from this Tory cabinet and Brexit. maybe Mays letting him ruin his chances of ever becoming leader before sacking him? I do know the odds for him becoming next Tory leader have been slashed in half today. 4/1 from 8/1-9/1 ?

[filopastry]

I genuinely think he is one of the most unpleasant scumbags in British politics, and there's a lot of competition in that category.

[filopastry]

What more does he have to do to get fired, am not sure if he wants to force a show down or distance himself from this Tory cabinet and Brexit. maybe Mays letting him ruin his chances of ever becoming leader before sacking him? I do know the odds for him becoming next Tory leader have been slashed in half today. 4/1 from 8/1-9/1 ?

It's probably a fair indication that May knows full well that Brexit will be a fucking disaster, and doesn't want that twat to have the opportunity to sit on the outside claiming it would have been awesome if he had influence on it, but I don't imagine being in cabinet will stop him doing that anyway.

He helped this whole to make this whole shitstorm happen, so its only right that he is there to take some of the flak for it when it really hits the fan.

I don't think he has the support in parliament to get to the last 2 in any leadership contest either, a lot of Tory MPs despise him

[oldfordie]

It's probably a fair indication that May knows full well that Brexit will be a fucking disaster, and doesn't want that twat to have the opportunity to sit on the outside claiming it would have been awesome if he had influence on it, but I don't imagine being in cabinet will stop him doing that anyway.

He helped this whole to make this whole shitstorm happen, so its only right that he is there to take some of the flak for it when it really hits the fan.

I don't think he has the support in parliament to get to the last 2 in any leadership contest either, a lot of Tory MPs despise him

You wonder whats going through Mays mind, as you say she knows Brexit isn't going to be a success, she must know it's damage limitation at best but she rushed into Brexit without having a clue on what she faced or the consequences. I can only put this down to media pressure and trying to end uncertainty. I imagine she would handle things differently if she could turn back the clock. I honestly thought she was cracking up before she called the election, the pressure she is under is tremendous.
I think your right about not letting all the leading lying leave campaign MPs slip off to the backbenches to criticize every move the cabinet makes, shes playing Johnson well, every cock up is ruining his chances of his dream of becoming PM. maybe Johnsons will wake up to this over the next few months, one thing you can't knock him for is his confidence, f,, up after f.. up and he still thinks he's PM material. he's a joke, jokes are fine when everything's ok. bumbling clowns like him won't go down well when the shit hits the fan.

[Robinred]

I genuinely think he is one of the most unpleasant scumbags in British politics, and there's a lot of competition in that category.

Just watched his speech and subsequent standing ovation.

His scheming, his consistent adoption of positions advantageous to his personal ambition, his seeming lack of any steadfast views on anything, in fact everything about him, reminds me of no one more than Trump. He is infinitely more charismatic and more intelligent (though not necessarily more cunning).

But there's a huge number of Tory faithful who love him. And if I were to place a bet on the next Tory leader - it would be him. The alternatives are dire, the shortage of serious, untainted candidates at an historical low.

Sadly for an old fart like me, the Labour Party is led by someone who for different reasons, is equally unappealing.

[gritsvanilla]

You wonder whats going through Mays mind,

Absolutely fuck all mate, the woman is a corpse, have you seen her interviews? Honestly i've seen more life in a dead tadpole.

Both her and Johnson are cut from the same heartless tory cloth, both only care for themselves, both are absolutely thick as pig shit and both are in the positions they are in because they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and have had everything handed to them on a plate, dangerous, spoilt, narcissistic c*nts the pair of them.

As for some calling Johnson intelligent well i've heard it all now, i'd be surprised if the overgrown child could even tie his own shoelaces.

[12C]

Absolutely fuck all mate, the woman is a corpse, have you seen her interviews? Honestly i've seen more life in a dead tadpole.

Both her and Johnson are cut from the same heartless tory cloth, both only care for themselves, both are absolutely thick as pig shit and both are in the positions they are in because they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and have had everything handed to them on a plate, dangerous, spoilt, narcissistic c*nts the pair of them.

As for some calling Johnson intelligent well i've heard it all now, i'd be surprised if the overgrown child could even tie his own shoelaces.

May is the aspirational middle class girl who married a millionaire (shades of the old hag Maggie) she has to be more Tory than the real bastards, in order to fit in. I could feel sorry for her if she wasn’t such a hypocrite. Johnson is another beast altogether. Product of the public school system, supremely entitled, coached to pass interviews, with a self confidence that comes from knowing you can always buy your way through life. I have argued before on here that he is as thick as, but has an animal cunning with a vicious vindictive streak which makes him appear intelligent. The buffoonery is a useful distraction from his selfishness. His marital chaos shows how careless he is with other people’s loyalty. He only cares about Boris, because all his upbringing was about how he could get by without doing fuck all for anyone else

[oldfordie]

Absolutely fuck all mate, the woman is a corpse, have you seen her interviews? Honestly i've seen more life in a dead tadpole.

Both her and Johnson are cut from the same heartless tory cloth, both only care for themselves, both are absolutely thick as pig shit and both are in the positions they are in because they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and have had everything handed to them on a plate, dangerous, spoilt, narcissistic c*nts the pair of them.

As for some calling Johnson intelligent well i've heard it all now, i'd be surprised if the overgrown child could even tie his own shoelaces.

Yeah, politics today has reached a new low, the politicians who can come up with the best bullshit the public will swallow are running the show.

[Trada]

[TravisBickle]

The video of Johnson talking about Sirte, with the audience laughing along, made me feel physically sick. I saw the quotes and thought they were vile but it's only when you hear him delivering them that you actually appreciate the degeneracy of the man.

 I hope he's a sociopath, purely because I'd hate to think someone without a serious personality disorder could talk like that.

[Trada]

Just saw a clip of Jeremy C*nt where he claims the Tories set up the NHS.

When they voted against it 22 times even the audience looked a bit confused.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/watch-jeremy-hunts-laughable-attempt-re-writing-history/03/10/

[Libertine]

@helenlewis
Badenoch has a pop at all-women shortlists. "We believe in meritocracy," she tells a hall that includes Iain Duncan Smith and Liam Fox.

[killer-heels]

Tories considering bringing back maintenance grants. I know people may not wish to admit it but if it wasnt for Labour pushing for removing tuition fees, the Tories wouldn't even move to the middle ground.

EDIT - Sorry for posting that in the Trump thread. Doh.

[oldfordie]

 

Someone just sneaked up on May while shes giving her speech offering her a big P45

[Thush]

Now she's having a coughing fit. This isn't going too well.

What a pity.

[oldfordie]

Now she's having a coughing fit. This isn't going too well.

What a pity.

This is awful, cringing.

[Trada]

Theresa May speech -"Cough cough cough cough".

And well done Lee Nelson "Boris asked me to give you this"