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Re: Doping In Sport..
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #161 on: July 31, 2012, 07:34:10 pm »
I don't think Jamaica have any major record of doping do they?

They don't have the money or resources to throw at developing new doping techniques like the Chinese do (or like the Yanks do, the Soviets had etc).
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #162 on: July 31, 2012, 07:34:12 pm »
I don't think Jamaica have any major record of doping do they?

They don't have the money or resources to throw at developing new doping techniques like the Chinese do (or like the Yanks do, the Soviets had etc).

So Bolt is clean and destroyed the 100m World record and is clean because the Jamacians have never been "caught"; yet the Chinese lass who looks physically different to many of the swimmers, has a beautiful stroke is labelled as a "cheat" becasue she had a close time (0.07 outside) to the last 100m freestyle at the end of a 400IM?

Jamacians are taking over the sprints but no-one questions it.  I'll wait until the end of the Olympics.  Can't anyone see that we may have a superstar in the 16 year old rather than a drugs cheat? 

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #163 on: July 31, 2012, 07:37:42 pm »
So Bolt is clean and destroyed the 100m World record and is clean because the Jamacians have never been "caught"; yet the Chinese lass who looks physically different to many of the swimmers, has a beautiful stroke is labelled as a "cheat" becasue she had a close time (0.07 outside) to the last 100m freestyle at the end of a 400IM?

Jamacians are taking over the sprints but no-one questions it.  I'll wait until the end of the Olympics.  Can't anyone see that we may have a superstar in the 16 year old rather than a drugs cheat? 


But if this was a racial thing surely racists would be claiming Bolt is juiced given his skin colour? Also, if you look at Bolt's results there was a steady improvement in his times - he didn't suddenly "explode" onto the scene - pretty sure he was world junior champion at 200 and many thought he would be the Olympic 400 metre champion given his height.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #164 on: July 31, 2012, 07:40:03 pm »
But if this was a racial thing surely racists would be claiming Bolt is juiced given his skin colour? Also, if you look at Bolt's results there was a steady improvement in his times - he didn't suddenly "explode" onto the scene - pretty sure he was world junior champion at 200 and many thought he would be the Olympic 400 metre champion given his height.

Yes he did, he smashed the world record to 9.69 and then 9.58 - i'd love to see that in the swimming stakes!  plus Thorpe has just said he smashed his pb by 5 seconds from age 15 to 16.

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #165 on: July 31, 2012, 07:40:46 pm »
But if this was a racial thing surely racists would be claiming Bolt is juiced given his skin colour? Also, if you look at Bolt's results there was a steady improvement in his times - he didn't suddenly "explode" onto the scene - pretty sure he was world junior champion at 200 and many thought he would be the Olympic 400 metre champion given his height.

The racist comment is a little daft coming from you mate (as you come across pretty well), racism isn't all or nothing :P

No Bolt didn't suddenly explode onto the scene, but it's something that happens often in swimming. Check out Stephanie Rice for just one example. Couple that with the fact Ye's body is still developing, drastic increases are more likely.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #166 on: July 31, 2012, 07:42:12 pm »
Yes he did, he smashed the world record to 9.69 and then 9.58 - i'd love to see that in the swimming stakes!  plus Thorpe has just said he smashed his pb by 5 seconds from age 15 to 16.

Again - systematic doping in Australia has never happened. Has in China though - that's why the questions about this athlete are a lot less about her skin colour and her herself and more about the country she comes from.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #167 on: July 31, 2012, 07:43:45 pm »
This will continue to go round in circles, and it's understandable.

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #168 on: July 31, 2012, 07:45:33 pm »
Again - systematic doping in Australia has never happened. Has in China though - that's why the questions about this athlete are a lot less about her skin colour and her herself and more about the country she comes from.

But I'm talking about Bolt, yes i know the Chinese have some serious form regarding drugs (especially in the long distance races back in the late 80's) but why tar the Chinese with a brush that you might refuse to tar with Bolt and Blake?  And waht about Michael Johnson - 19.32 from 19.68 in the Olympics 200m - reasons?

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #169 on: July 31, 2012, 07:48:23 pm »
5/6 sprinters were caught a couple of years ago.

I missed that.

So Bolt is clean and destroyed the 100m World record and is clean because the Jamacians have never been "caught"; yet the Chinese lass who looks physically different to many of the swimmers, has a beautiful stroke is labelled as a "cheat" becasue she had a close time (0.07 outside) to the last 100m freestyle at the end of a 400IM?

Jamacians are taking over the sprints but no-one questions it.  I'll wait until the end of the Olympics.  Can't anyone see that we may have a superstar in the 16 year old rather than a drugs cheat? 

I said that as I far as I am aware, Jamaica has neither the major history of doping their athletes (MBL's reply notwithstanding) or the resources to develop undetectable doping techniques. China has both. Maybe Bolt's clean, maybe he isn't. If it turned out he is doped I wouldn't be shocked. Sadly there's very few sports where allegations of doping shock me anymore. It's hardly a surprise that people suspect a Chinese athlete who puts in a performance that totally blows anything that went before it out of the water and fewer suspect a Jamaican though.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #170 on: July 31, 2012, 08:01:52 pm »
I don't think Jamaica have any major record of doping do they?

They don't have the money or resources to throw at developing new doping techniques like the Chinese do (or like the Yanks do, the Soviets had etc).

Depends on what "major" is. Plenty (almost 20) on this wikipedia list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #171 on: July 31, 2012, 08:04:22 pm »
But I'm talking about Bolt, yes i know the Chinese have some serious form regarding drugs (especially in the long distance races back in the late 80's) but why tar the Chinese with a brush that you might refuse to tar with Bolt and Blake?  And waht about Michael Johnson - 19.32 from 19.68 in the Olympics 200m - reasons?

Johnson was a champion athlete (as in world's best) for many many years, his samples have been tested and re-tested through the years - his times showed a steady improvement and not "out of the sky" sort of improvement, and frankly, Bolt is the same - yes he is a stunning runner, but if you track his improvement he showed steady improvement as he developed. In actual fact the fact his times have fallen away recently sort of proves that he's legit, because his technique is just all over the shop now compared to his performances around the Beijing Olympics. He's still the same runner in the same body who just isn't getting it right in terms of technique. Bolt doesn't have the power that steroids would give him to overcome his technical flaws, as happened with Ben Johnson for example at the 88 Olympics (and by the way, apparently Ben Johnson was using so much synthetic testosterone that he started to lactate, as in breast-milk lactate, as his body responded to the huge amount of testosterone by producing female hormones in abundance).
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #172 on: July 31, 2012, 08:09:45 pm »
Depends on what "major" is. Plenty (almost 20) on this wikipedia list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_athletics

If the Jamaican government put a tax on ganga use I think there would be a whole lot less "positives" for their athletes, given they'd have an over-abundance of funds to protect their athletes as the Chinese do. The fact there are a heap of positives does not point to systematic doping as far as I understand it, more the fact there are a lot of greedy people out there, (wanting the riches/success that comes with winning) some of whom are involved in sport.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #173 on: July 31, 2012, 08:12:46 pm »
Johnson was a champion athlete (as in world's best) for many many years, his samples have been tested and re-tested through the years - his times showed a steady improvement and not "out of the sky" sort of improvement, and frankly, Bolt is the same - yes he is a stunning runner, but if you track his improvement he showed steady improvement as he developed. In actual fact the fact his times have fallen away recently sort of proves that he's legit, because his technique is just all over the shop now compared to his performances around the Beijing Olympics. He's still the same runner in the same body who just isn't getting it right in terms of technique. Bolt doesn't have the power that steroids would give him to overcome his technical flaws, as happened with Ben Johnson for example at the 88 Olympics (and by the way, apparently Ben Johnson was using so much synthetic testosterone that he started to lactate, as in breast-milk lactate, as his body responded to the huge amount of testosterone by producing female hormones in abundance).

So if this girl is champion for the next 8 years (and breaking her times and then being not quite as good but still winning) without being "caught" - will that suffice?

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« Reply #174 on: July 31, 2012, 08:13:48 pm »
Bolt doesn't have the power that steroids would give him to overcome his technical flaws, as happened with Ben Johnson for example at the 88 Olympics (and by the way, apparently Ben Johnson was using so much synthetic testosterone that he started to lactate, as in breast-milk lactate, as his body responded to the huge amount of testosterone by producing female hormones in abundance).

I'm not too sure thats true about Johnson, I've read Charlie Francis (Ben Johnson's) book about the Seoul Olympics, and he lists the protocols that Ben took for the 6 years leading up to Seoul. Unless Charlie is telling fibs, Ben really didn't take large doses of steroids at all, far below what the east germans were taking, and in miniscule amounts next to what bodybuilders take. Charlie Francis' whole thing was giving them enough drugs so their performances would improve, but not so much that there would be damage to their health.
This could all be false, but its straight from someone who would know better than virtually anyone else.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #175 on: July 31, 2012, 08:16:38 pm »
So if this girl is champion for the next 8 years (and breaking her times and then being not quite as good but still winning) without being "caught" - will that suffice?

Fa sure - also if her current samples are re-tested in future as will happen, and she is found clean, quite happy to doff my cap and say she's a clean champion. Until then......
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« Reply #176 on: July 31, 2012, 08:17:28 pm »
Johnson was a champion athlete (as in world's best) for many many years, his samples have been tested and re-tested through the years - his times showed a steady improvement and not "out of the sky" sort of improvement, and frankly, Bolt is the same - yes he is a stunning runner, but if you track his improvement he showed steady improvement as he developed. In actual fact the fact his times have fallen away recently sort of proves that he's legit, because his technique is just all over the shop now compared to his performances around the Beijing Olympics. He's still the same runner in the same body who just isn't getting it right in terms of technique. Bolt doesn't have the power that steroids would give him to overcome his technical flaws, as happened with Ben Johnson for example at the 88 Olympics (and by the way, apparently Ben Johnson was using so much synthetic testosterone that he started to lactate, as in breast-milk lactate, as his body responded to the huge amount of testosterone by producing female hormones in abundance).

Any thoughts on Flo-Jo? - never "caught", but destroyed the WR and no woman has never come close to breaking the 200m WR

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« Reply #177 on: July 31, 2012, 08:20:48 pm »
Fa sure - also if her current samples are re-tested in future as will happen, and she is found clean, quite happy to doff my cap and say she's a clean champion. Until then......

But the US drug tester in 1984 tested all the athletes in US track and field team using the testing procedures now and just about every athlete failed.  So all those american athletes back in the day failed tests - not good really.  He was on camera the other day on a programme saying he reused to publish the results because of the shitstorm it would cause. 

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« Reply #178 on: July 31, 2012, 08:22:22 pm »
I'm not too sure thats true about Johnson, I've read Charlie Francis (Ben Johnson's) book about the Seoul Olympics, and he lists the protocols that Ben took for the 6 years leading up to Seoul. Unless Charlie is telling fibs, Ben really didn't take large doses of steroids at all, far below what the east germans were taking, and in miniscule amounts next to what bodybuilders take. Charlie Francis' whole thing was giving them enough drugs so their performances would improve, but not so much that there would be damage to their health.
This could all be false, but its straight from someone who would know better than virtually anyone else.

Got that off a sports coach who coached at elite level in sprinting who also detailed his (Johnsons) insane training loads. Frankly after watching Johnson on the blocks in the 100 in 88 if that's a sign of micro-dosing of testosterone I'll eat my hat.
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« Reply #179 on: July 31, 2012, 08:25:00 pm »
Any thoughts on Flo-Jo? - never "caught", but destroyed the WR and no woman has never come close to breaking the 200m WR

Already said on this thread Flo Jo was a cheat. No doubt about that at all. I'm not saying western athletes don't dope - rather that doping in communist countries has been systematic. Read some of my posts above.
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« Reply #180 on: July 31, 2012, 08:25:28 pm »
Any thoughts on Flo-Jo? - never "caught", but destroyed the WR and no woman has never come close to breaking the 200m WR

Personal opinion is she was "doped up to the eyeballs"

A few things about her, she was never a really top notch sprinter before 1988, she was someone who would make finals, and pick up the odd medal. Then in 1988 her body transformed in the off season, so much more muscular, and her voice deeper too. Improved by 1/2 second in the 100m and more in the 200m in 1988, sprinters dont usually make that improvement in their late 20s esp if they have been competing at an elite level in the years prior.

So she wins the golds at the 1988, then what does she do at the height of her powers? promptly retires. Retired just in time for the out of competition testing to come in for 1989. It wouldnt have been hard for her to pass drugs tests in 1988, they only tested in competition then. So all you had to know was the clearance times of when the drugs would be out of your system. As simple as looking at a calendar.

The fact that her times havent been remotely approached in 24 years since they were set too.

Everyone says she didnt test positive, but neither did ben johnson until 1988, and he had taken drugs for 6 years, nor did any of Ben's group test positive. Not that hard to test negative if u are smart.
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« Reply #181 on: July 31, 2012, 08:28:31 pm »
Personal opinion is she was "doped up to the eyeballs"

A few things about her, she was never a really top notch sprinter before 1988, she was someone who would make finals, and pick up the odd medal. Then in 1988 her body transformed in the off season, so much more muscular, and her voice deeper too. Improved by 1/2 second in the 100m and more in the 200m in 1988, sprinters dont usually make that improvement in their late 20s esp if they have been competing at an elite level in the years prior.

So she wins the golds at the 1988, then what does she do at the height of her powers? promptly retires. Retired just in time for the out of competition testing to come in for 1989. It wouldnt have been hard for her to pass drugs tests in 1988, they only tested in competition then. So all you had to know was the clearance times of when the drugs would be out of your system. As simple as looking at a calendar.

The fact that her times havent been remotely approached in 24 years since they were set too.

Everyone says she didnt test positive, but neither did ben johnson until 1988, and he had taken drugs for 6 years, nor did any of Ben's group test positive. Not that hard to test negative if u are smart.

Pretty much this - if a testicle popped out of her costume running the 200 in 88 I would not have been surprised.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #182 on: July 31, 2012, 08:28:37 pm »
Got that off a sports coach who coached at elite level in sprinting who also detailed his (Johnsons) insane training loads. Frankly after watching Johnson on the blocks in the 100 in 88 if that's a sign of micro-dosing of testosterone I'll eat my hat.

All i can say to that is that people respond differently to the drugs, Johnson was evidently a 'responder'. All of the rest of the group including Desai Williams who also made that Seoul final didnt run like Ben did or break records, and they were on exactly the same drug protocol.
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« Reply #183 on: July 31, 2012, 08:38:32 pm »
All i can say to that is that people respond differently to the drugs, Johnson was evidently a 'responder'. All of the rest of the group including Desai Williams who also made that Seoul final didnt run like Ben did or break records, and they were on exactly the same drug protocol.

Obviously my mail is different and I won't argue over something neither of us can prove. The source is this one and I'm sure you can hunt him down on a social network to give him a question to ascertain the veracity of his claim. He said it several times in lectures he gave and frankly I believed him given apparently he knew the parties concerned professionally.
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« Reply #184 on: July 31, 2012, 08:45:44 pm »
Obviously my mail is different and I won't argue over something neither of us can prove. The source is this one and I'm sure you can hunt him down on a social network to give him a question to ascertain the veracity of his claim. He said it several times in lectures he gave and frankly I believed him given apparently he knew the parties concerned professionally.

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #185 on: July 31, 2012, 08:52:44 pm »
Another OR for that 16 year old Chinese girl

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #186 on: July 31, 2012, 09:48:49 pm »
Nobody is stupid enough to obliterate the field in such a manner, if they were on some sort of drugs.


If she was on drugs, she would have held back a little, and not made it so questionable.

Brilliant - I guess we can shut down all the testing labs.

In any case your argument is blown out of the water as she DID hold back during the first three quarters of the race :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/30/ye-shiwen-record-olympic-swim?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

But Leonard, who has decades worth of knowledge and experience and has been lauded for his firm anti-doping stance in the past, believes it is certainly a question that needs to be asked. These are not the sour grapes of a sore rival, but the concerns of an expert who has enormous integrity on anti-doping within the swimming community. He made a point of praising Ye's teammate Sun Yang, who won three freestyle gold medals in the 2011 World Championships, and has already won the 400m freestyle title here in London. Sun's curve of improvement, Leonard reckons, "is well within the trajectory of the sport".

"If you look at the woman in question, and her biomechanics in the heats, she has a steady, moderately slow, six-beat kick," Leonard said, referring to the number of kicks Ye takes with each arm stroke. "All of a sudden in the Olympic final she turned it up to an eight-beat kick, which any coach will tell you is very difficult to maintain for 25m, much less 100m."

Ross Tucker, a sport scientist who based a large part of his PhD on pacing strategies in sport – or how athletes reserve enough energy to finish an event strongly – has also voiced his discomfort, while stressing that nothing had been proven against Ye. "Don't shy away from the question just because it's politically incorrect," Tucker writes his blog the Science of Sport. "Look where that got sport before."

Tucker points out that, on average, female medley swimmers finish the 400m IM in a freestyle time that is between "18% and 23% slower" than that of a top 100m freestyler. But Ye's leg was about 10% off the times set by the best 100m freestyle swimmers. "The conclusion that I would draw from this," Tucker writes, "is that her 100m freestyle leg is disproportionately fast not only by comparison to Lochte, but also to her peers, and to the best 100m freestyle swimmers." That, Tucker says, is too big a gap. "Based on everything we know about performance and pacing. I suspect that Shiwen would probably be two or more seconds faster if she went out harder and pushed to the point of fatigue."

It would make more sense, Tucker suggests, for Ye to swim faster over the first three legs and trade that improvement off for a slight loss of time in the final 100m. As Leonard said, "to swim three other splits at the rate that she did, which was quite ordinary for elite competition, and then unleash a historic anomaly, it is just not right".

"Her first 300m was an extremely conservative effort," concluded Tucker. "The simple question is: 'Under what circumstances does a female have the capacity to finish a race as fast as a male?'" It is the same question that is being asked by Leonard, only in a different way. "If it is a truly clean swim it is probably one of the most magnificent swims in history," Leonard said. "But at this point, I would call it unbelievable." This time, there was no doubt how he meant it.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #187 on: July 31, 2012, 10:00:04 pm »
Brilliant - I guess we can shut down all the testing labs.
I'm not the one questioning the results of these labs, so not sure what you're talking about there.

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In any case your argument is blown out of the water as she DID hold back during the first three quarters of the race :



It's not blown out of the water, in the slightest. She could have held back for the entire four quarters, and still won, and no one would be asking all these questions.

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« Reply #188 on: July 31, 2012, 10:07:41 pm »
I'm not the one questioning the results of these labs, so not sure what you're talking about there.


It's not blown out of the water, in the slightest. She could have held back for the entire four quarters, and still won, and no one would be asking all these questions.

Its not very likely that an athlete will hold back in the biggest race of their life. None of the other drugs cheats who won and subsequently tested positive held back. In fact several of them obiliterated the opposition while breaking world records and winning.

You can hold back in semis and heats, but in the final when u see the finish approaching, and the gold is within your grasp. Holding back to try and not look suss is the last thing on your mind.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #189 on: July 31, 2012, 10:15:25 pm »
Its not very likely that an athlete will hold back in the biggest race of their life. None of the other drugs cheats who won and subsequently tested positive held back. In fact several of them obiliterated the opposition while breaking world records and winning.

You can hold back in semis and heats, but in the final when u see the finish approaching, and the gold is within your grasp. Holding back to try and not look suss is the last thing on your mind.
But she has passed tests, since.

Are we working on a basis whereby anytime someone comes out and does something special, they've cheated to do so, and even if they pass the test, it just means that they've used an invisible drug instead?

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« Reply #190 on: July 31, 2012, 10:28:47 pm »
I'm just very sceptical of any performance which looks on the face of it extraordinary.

for two reasons I have been involved in elite sport myself, and have been drug tested, and that aside I have a very good understanding of the way in which performance enhancing drugs are used in sport.

Secondly history has shown that in many many cases, when something looks to good to be true it often is, and this isn't often revealed until years, sometimes decades have passed.

For what its worth, I do hope she is clean.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #191 on: July 31, 2012, 10:34:11 pm »
its all come about because her split time was faster than lochte's

6 of the 8 swimmers in lochte's race posted faster final 50m times than he did
Becky Adlington posted a faster 50m time in her race

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #192 on: August 1, 2012, 02:46:44 am »
But if this was a racial thing surely racists would be claiming Bolt is juiced given his skin colour? Also, if you look at Bolt's results there was a steady improvement in his times - he didn't suddenly "explode" onto the scene - pretty sure he was world junior champion at 200 and many thought he would be the Olympic 400 metre champion given his height.

And is the only junior world champion in the 200 meters to run the last 100 meters in under 10 seconds.

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« Reply #193 on: August 1, 2012, 03:21:15 am »
what ever happened to castor semenya ? was she not supposed to have been dodgy sometimes in sport their are extraordinary people out their and imo are ruining the happiness of this poor lass who has had all her hard work tarnished their was paper reports yesterday how extreme Chinese camps are could it just be that she managed to find that extra energy burst from those years of training rather than a drug

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #194 on: August 1, 2012, 03:30:13 am »
But if this was a racial thing surely racists would be claiming Bolt is juiced given his skin colour?
To be indelicate, almost all the sprinters, the very best ones, have been black over the last however many years. The fair comparison would be if some white bloke came out of nowhere and blew away the field.

For what it's worth, I think it's far too early to call her a cheat. See if she continues to breaks records or disappears.
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #195 on: August 1, 2012, 07:41:36 am »
I'm not the one questioning the results of these labs, so not sure what you're talking about there.


It's not blown out of the water, in the slightest. She could have held back for the entire four quarters, and still won, and no one would be asking all these questions.

Yeh she could have but she didn't - she blew away the best men's times without even trying that hard. It's one thing to decimate the field if you are giving it your all but doing it at a canter? So your statement that:

Nobody is stupid enough to obliterate the field in such a manner, if they were on some sort of drugs.

Isn't very useful is it? The only way she could have taken the piss even more would be to swim those lengths dressed as Mighty Red.
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« Reply #196 on: August 1, 2012, 10:11:41 am »
Fa sure - also if her current samples are re-tested in future as will happen, and she is found clean, quite happy to doff my cap and say she's a clean champion. Until then......

guilty until proven innocent then?

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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #197 on: August 1, 2012, 10:53:05 am »
what ever happened to castor semenya ? was she not supposed to have been dodgy sometimes in sport their are extraordinary people out their and imo are ruining the happiness of this poor lass who has had all her hard work tarnished their was paper reports yesterday how extreme Chinese camps are could it just be that she managed to find that extra energy burst from those years of training rather than a drug
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #198 on: August 1, 2012, 02:11:04 pm »
guilty until proven innocent then?

Its not a court of law - sadly thats what we've come to when EVRY major athletic event has been tainted with doping - including the Chinese. That's life im afraid. If it happens once or twice you can overlook it but year after year, sport after sport, athlete after athlete. a 16 yr old girl comes and blows away the men's times without exerting herself we're at the stage where we have to raise the possibility of doping. It would be naieve in the extreme not to. Maybe because its swimming and not weightlifting you dont find it as suspicious?
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Re: Doping In Sport..
« Reply #199 on: August 1, 2012, 02:40:32 pm »
Yeh she could have but she didn't - she blew away the best men's times without even trying that hard. It's one thing to decimate the field if you are giving it your all but doing it at a canter? So your statement that:

Isn't very useful is it? The only way she could have taken the piss even more would be to swim those lengths dressed as Mighty Red.
Good, I look forward to seeing her at full throttle so.