Topic: Pep Lijnders

[MD1990]

Technically from the wording he could "vacate his position" as assistant manager and "persue his own career in management" at the same club....

Don't think that is likely though unfortunately.

Matos wouldnt be leaving if Pep was staying

[daniel.owen89]

No, I think he wants to go and manage a club himself, but he didn't want to jump off and leave Klopp when he was needed last season or so. Seems good timing for him to go at the same time as his boss.

I wonder if the other coaches will stay with him for his next job.

I also wonder if he'll be back some day. Would make sense to get experience as the main man somewhere else first though. Following Klopp directly will be tough.

So do you think that Pep wants to be a manager and the club just don't want him or its a loyalty to klopp things that he wants to move on as well?

[redbyrdz]

So do you think that Pep wants to be a manager and the club just don't want him or its a loyalty to klopp things that he wants to move on as well?

I think he'd rather have a clean slate and not be a groomed successor, who'll always be compared to Klopp.

[daniel.owen89]

I think he'd rather have a clean slate and not be a groomed successor, who'll always be compared to Klopp.

Thats a fair point, plus maybe wants less pressure as his first go at management didn't go as well as he had hoped.

[Redley]

I think he's probably not even been considered since he's only managed for six months, badly, in the Dutch 2nd division! He's only 40 (two years younger than Xabi Alonso) so the sensible thing if he wants to be a manager is to go and do similar to him, work his way up and who knows in the future.

[StevoHimself]

I think he's probably not even been considered since he's only managed for six months, badly, in the Dutch 2nd division! He's only 40 (two years younger than Xabi Alonso) so the sensible thing if he wants to be a manager is to go and do similar to him, work his way up and who knows in the future.

Yeah, it's one of those that's a nicer idea that the reality. You don't replace Klopp with diet-Klopp.

[ScottishKopite]

I always thought when Jurgen went Pep would be the one to take over he was the one working closest to Jurgen and when that time came he would step up a bit like shanks and paisley! I said it that many times to people this is what I think would happen even mentioned what football clubs assistant releases a book he his highly regarded at Liverpool and has been at the club longer than Klopp with his brief spell managing in Holland. I am shocked he is going too Gutted with Klopp and sadden by Pep he seemed a really nice bloke and a top top coach. I just can't get my head around they are all going.

[Dull Tools]

Yeah, it's one of those that's a nicer idea that the reality. You don't replace Klopp with diet-Klopp.

Yes. Thank god we never went in-house after Shankly left.

[newterp]

The book is why klopp is leaving, right?

Good luck to Pep as well - he's been a great influence on the club.

[Legs]

I always thought when Jurgen went Pep would be the one to take over he was the one working closest to Jurgen and when that time came he would step up a bit like shanks and paisley! I said it that many times to people this is what I think would happen even mentioned what football clubs assistant releases a book he his highly regarded at Liverpool and has been at the club longer than Klopp with his brief spell managing in Holland. I am shocked he is going too Gutted with Klopp and sadden by Pep he seemed a really nice bloke and a top top coach. I just can't get my head around they are all going.

Pretty sure Pep said he'd only be assistant to Klopp ??

I guess he wants to go his own way now and has built up experience and is young in management terms.

[jillcwhomever]

The book is why klopp is leaving, right?

Good luck to Pep as well - he's been a great influence on the club.

I agree, I think he gets a hard time of it but he's been an important part of the back-team in the Klopp years, so I will wish him every luck.

[mattD]

The fact that Pep isn't even in the frame for the job, despite being touted as the 'continuity candidate' for years, maybe suggests the owners already have a clear idea of who is succeeding Klopp?

Maybe clutching at straws but I'm desperate for some kind of certainty and a bit of positive news.

[The G in Gerrard]

Good luck to him. Some shite said about him previously just cause of a book.

[TAA66]

We must have the next guy lined up and sorted.  If we don’t, why would we rule out Pep? A totally viable candidate

[Boaty McBoatface]

I really hope he makes it as a manager. Love his enthusiasm and knowledge of the game.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

I always thought when Jurgen went Pep would be the one to take over he was the one working closest to Jurgen and when that time came he would step up a bit like shanks and paisley! I said it that many times to people this is what I think would happen even mentioned what football clubs assistant releases a book he his highly regarded at Liverpool and has been at the club longer than Klopp with his brief spell managing in Holland. I am shocked he is going too Gutted with Klopp and sadden by Pep he seemed a really nice bloke and a top top coach. I just can't get my head around they are all going.

So this sounds harsh but ultimately, with Klopp going, we should want Lijnders and others to go as well. We need a new manager to bring his own people with him so that he can properly implement his ideas and feel as comfortable as possible.

[rob1966]

So this sounds harsh but ultimately, with Klopp going, we should want Lijnders and others to go as well. We need a new manager to bring his own people with him so that he can properly implement his ideas and feel as comfortable as possible.

Shanks --> Bob --> Fagan --> Kenny.  It was bringing in Souness that broke us.

[thejbs]

We must have the next guy lined up and sorted.  If we don’t, why would we rule out Pep? A totally viable candidate

That was my suspicion. Or rather, the club has made it clear that they're not picking their next manager from the current staff.

[mattD]

We must have the next guy lined up and sorted. If we don’t, why would we rule out Pep? A totally viable candidate

Totally agree.

I can't see why he wouldn't be given a chance to show his credentials if they haven't sought a successor.

Or maybe they just want tried and tested head coaches, people who its easy to analyse based on stats available, something Pep doesn't have.

[Hestoic]

We must have the next guy lined up and sorted.  If we don’t, why would we rule out Pep? A totally viable candidate

Maybe he was offered it and he turned it down. We don't know.

[markiv]

We must have the next guy lined up and sorted.  If we don’t, why would we rule out Pep? A totally viable candidate

This! I'm pretty sure we probably done a lot of ground work and probably have an agreement with our preferred candidate, otherwise I don't see why we'd need to rule out Pep so quickly.

[eAyeAddio]

Anyone else think with him and so many other members of the coaching staff leaving it means they have already filled the position......

This is the obvious explanation.

FSG have known about the need to replace Jurgen since November so the most likely stance is that they have a new guy lined up already and he has stipulated that he wants to bring in his own team....... Makes perfect sense.

Also, as it is well known that the previous two DoFs did not see eye-to-eye with Pep, what's the betting that one of them will return as the new DoF to replace Scmadke ?

[No666]

Also, as it is well known that the previous two DoFs did not see eye-to-eye with Pep, what's the betting that one of them will return as the new DoF to replace Scmadke ?

It is? I have missed this. Where is Samie when you need him?

[Draex]

Personally think he could manage us one day, but he’s not there just yet. He’s more than young enough to cut his teeth in a less pressurised club and refine his management style first.

[farawayred]

Personally think he could manage us one day, but he’s not there just yet. He’s more than young enough to cut his teeth in a less pressurised club and refine his management style first.

Being tactically astute, which he is 100%, is a necessary but not sufficient condition to become a top manager. Pep needs to cut his teeth somewhere to show that he can manage. I'm not convinced at this time that he could at this level, but who knows...

[mattD]

I think it is somewhat foolish to rule Pep out. If you'd given me this possibility a week ago, I'd have said no chance. But the more I think about it, the more I realise that there is something to be said for continuity of some sort. The uncertainty of how we will play after Klopp and how players respond to a new manager is anxiety inducing, and Pep has been very influential in our style of play these last few years.

I'm not advocating him, but for that reason, it is foolish to rule him out, which makes me wonder they have a clear idea of who they want. It would be idiotic if he's being ruled out because, only being the assistant, they are unable to measure him on a statistical model of head coaches though.

[Draex]

Being tactically astute, which he is 100%, is a necessary but not sufficient condition to become a top manager. Pep needs to cut his teeth somewhere to show that he can manage. I'm not convinced at this time that he could at this level, but who knows...

100% you can be the cleverest guy in the room but if you can't make people understand and buy into your genius it doesn't work. I think Pep gave Klopp great ideas and energy but Klopp was the leader, as you say that step is huge and not everyone can do it.

[Egyptian36]

I am surprised we didn't offer him the sporting director position.

[Ma Vie en Rouge]

I am surprised we didn't offer him the sporting director position.

A position he has no real relevant experience in, that doesn't suit his apparent qualities, and that I would guess he doesn't want at this stage of his life? Why?

[Egyptian36]

A position he has no real relevant experience in, that doesn't suit his apparent qualities, and that I would guess he doesn't want at this stage of his life? Why?

I think it suits him perfectly. He was very involved in a successful process of identifying players so he knows what is needed. Very knowledgeable when it comes to team building, academy and football in general but you are right he wants to try to have a career as a manager but I think the sporting director role suits him better he even talks like one.

[Yosser0_0]

Shanks --> Bob --> Fagan --> Kenny.  It was bringing in Souness that broke us.

I know what you are saying Rob but times have changed. I love Kenny and he did well in his second reign but the game had moved on and I wasn't convinced that he could take us back up to that elite level. The old 'turn the screw' style of play didn't seem as effective against the so called more inferior teams as generally they are much more organised with their low block crap and effective on the counter.

The club then took a big chance by employing Rodgers and a new team and it very nearly paid off. What Rodgers brought was fresh ideas and a modern style of play, it was a much needed modernisation of the club and the football was breathtaking. Later we saw the flaws in Rodgers management in terms of player recruitment, being able to organise a defence (although that was always there) and tactics against the top managers.

The club then takes another risk, although we all knew it was low risk in taking on Klopp who also brought in his own team. It didn't feel like a massive style transition given the pressing game that Rodgers introduced and Klopp stuck with many of the players that he inherited. He also inherited a dodgy defence and I think Klopp's risk taking style of play generally provided more chances and he had to improve our control of games before we could win silverware. Klopp obviously took our game and player recruitment to another level though.

The owners have made mistakes but have learned from them and we have no choice but to trust them. I think that we all hope that the next manager comes in and we continue with the Klopp style of play but sadly and realistically I don't think that will be 100% possible.

[RedSince86]

Brilliant coach and thinker, I really hope he succeeds in management.

Maybe back at Liverpool in his own right in the future.

[the_red_pill]

Our academy was so blessed to have this man... and then he became assistant manager and help kept this juggernaut rolling.
Farewell Pep.
We're losing an awful lot with both Klopp and Pep leaving.

I'm still shocked- and heartbroken, to be honest.
It's been an awful 2 days.

[disgraced cake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzJpmy128mE

Great little interview. I think I'll miss hearing him speak as much as when you hear Klopp speak. Really interested to see what's down for him as a manager.

[Claire.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzJpmy128mE

Great little interview. I think I'll miss hearing him speak as much as when you hear Klopp speak. Really interested to see what's down for him as a manager.

I was just watching this and agree, great to hear him speak and smiled when he said 'I hope our paths cross again' and it made me think he knows this job isn't right for him right now, experience wise, but hopes it could happen in the future.

[Draex]

Clearly a highly intelligent guy with boundless energy, part of one of greatest coaching set ups.

Will be interesting to see how he goes in management, he'll need a team of enough quality who understands his concepts as they are next level.

[mattD]

I'm assuming he'd go abroad, but he understands the English game like nothing else, so I think it would be a wise decision for a club maybe in the championship who is looking for a coach to match their philosophy.

[jillcwhomever]

A really good interview that was, I wish him all the best once he's gone. He's still young enough to make it as a coach.

[Keith Lard]

A really good interview that was, I wish him all the best once he's gone. He's still young enough to make it as a coach.

I thought it was goofy asf 😂

[FlashGordon]

Something something book. All the best to the fella, anyone still doubting how integral he was to all this is never going to change their minds. Will be following whichever side is lucky enough to get him closely, my new second team. Hopefully he's back here one day.