Topic: Stoke 6-1 Gerrard

[Fordy]

Jamie Carragher @Carra23  ·  22 min

Newcastle stay up Hull go down the only 2 games that had anything riding on them today, every other game was irrelevant.

Utter shit and he knows it.

Suppose he didn't have to pay to watch it like our away support did!

I like Carra but that's a lame comment.

[naka]

Without trawling through every page can anyone point me into Brendan's post match comments please?

Go to audio thread
On a personal level it's hard to watch
He seems totally devastated

[redalways]

Why? The travelling Kop were actually there, not making comments from an armchair. The only people who should be ashamed are those who served that shite up on the pitch. Rafa gave a large amount of our supporters their best ever night. He is royalty. As someone else said he's name should be sung at every game.

Absolutely correct. Rafa has won for this club and loves this club. He is royalty.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I think his loyalty and favouritism to Sterling this season has been a big issue and could cost him his job.

[thelinnen]

No professional game that Liverpool Football Club plays is irrelevant. That's the sort of attitute that's made us so spineless.

[Oddball]

first time in history an opposition team scores 5 goals against us in the first half. EVER

So the seasons not been that bad then if we've set a new record

[In the Name of Klopp]

did you feel as strongly when Rafa was disrespected etc in his final season. The fat Spanish waiter song getting an airing at the away end at fratton park?
Surely Rafa had enough in the bank for all he had achieved, and lets not play the TC card as an excuse. If only Rafa had a TC to contend with.

Indeed mate. Some people has short memories. Under Rafa we were number 1 in Europe and a team everyone feared and Rafa had to put up with Hicks and Gillett.

[conman]

Our owners aren't going to want him, mate.

You don't know that.

[howes hound]

What Rodgers needs is the owners to back him strongly, that will give him the authority and power to demand more from the players. If players feel all is not well or the manager is no longer the guy to listen to; the effort levels drop.

I can't see that the owners have ever stood between Brendan and the team. It's been his club to manage. Losing Suarez and Sturridge gave him a huge hill to climb and I never expected this to be a vintage season. But it's been a mess in more ways than one. If we'd struggled up to Christmas, then improved and ended on a note that suggested things would be brighter next season, everyone would have been happy. Instead, there are question marks about who will be back next year, the new signings have been mediocre at best, and instead of a feeling that we're building towards something it looks like this summer will be a time for wholesale changes and start again. Not good.

[Redman0151]

Pretty sure Carra was being sarcastic but it's flown over everybody's head as usual. He followed that tweet up with this:

 Jamie Carragher @Carra23  ·  5m 5 minutes ago

Embarrassing day for all connected with Lfc 6-1 is not acceptable. Not seen anything but my son left at half time so it must've been bad!!

[peachybum]

The guy can go onto be a ballon d'or contender.

IMO that's a £50m gamble not worth taking. Especially as he won't be doing these great things with us regardless if we refuse to sell as he obviously isn't going to commit to us long term. This lad isn't going to be a world beater and give us £50m worth of production in the two years he has left with us.

[LFC when it suits]

We've signed three British players mate.

And that push was from Rafa himself, to make the club more 'scouse'.

Since Rafa's time, we have only sign 3 British players? We sign either British players or Premier League proven players sinces Rafa's time.

[Anywhichwayicant]

I understand Carra wants to protect the club, but that's a very poor tweet.

[MolbyLovesGravlax]

Bar can, I'd probably sell everyone we bought in the last window, lallana, lambert, moreno, markovic, balotelli...would probably cover the cover the cost of the manager, committee and leave some spare change for the new bods.

Well I'd offer LA Sterling on loan for a season if we can keep Gerrard as player manager. But I'm probably just an old fashioned romantic.

[KiNki]

Utter shit and he knows it.

Suppose he didn't have to pay to watch it like our away support did!

I like Carra but that's a lame comment.

Every game matters, every single one.

I want players to fight when there's nothing to fight for.

[John C]

i don't know if other people feel this way, but i inherently resent the idea of getting rid.

I was so so so proud of us last season. more than i have ever been in the 15 years i've supported this club. prouder that 01. even prouder than 05.

there was something about the way we played, which i completely refuse to solely put down to suarez.

We gave Rodgers a contract last summer on the back of that as a show of commitment to him. I would never disagree that its been a poor season; i just think that we have to accept that this is a downturn, and I believe it can improve under Rodgers.

Lets not be fickle. We've seen glimpses of last year this season, and have been unlucky with injuries.

With a change in transfer policy, I believe he can get us playing again. Call me deluded, whatever. I like to think of it as not being completely fickle, reacting to a poor season and ultimately reacting to a freak result in a game that didn't mean much (other than being stevies last). Yes its no excuse, but I think its more representative of the youth and naivety in our side, which can be improved.

I admire your stance mate.

[Floydy]

Our owners aren't going to want him, mate.

I know that but at some point they may want to 2stop cutting off their nose  to spite their face" as I genueinely believe that is all that is happening with the Rafa situation.

[Halcyon Lissome]

was he an ally though? how true was this row on the plane after the Newcastle game?    Did Stevie really say "i gave up England to play in games like this"? (Madrid away).

Throughout Gerrard has always backed Rodgers. He openly laments he's not young enough to play longer under Rodgers because he thinks we'll win titles with him. That's the definition of support.

I'm sure he didn't see Rodgers' lessening his role coming, but appreciates it all the rest. There are still human beings out there that are self-aware and who can understand the interests of the greater good supersede their own. Gerrard has always been that.

[Deo]

Yes, and there are lot of records broken by Rodgers throughout his short time here. Those are far more important than one-off games.

What Rodgers needs is the owners to back him strongly, that will give him the authority and power to demand more from the players. If players feel all is not well or the manager is no longer the guy to listen to; the effort levels drop.

That game was a travesty and it said more about the players than the manager. People are just using it as an excuse to have a go at Rodgers. 5th, 6th, who gives a shit. Once United mathematically sealed their passage into the CL it didn't matter what happened in the next two games - and the players played like it didn't.

Yeah, and if the whole footballing world thought the same way you do, it wouldn't be much of a problem because today's game didn't matter too much in the end. But the footballing world is much like a religion. The 'we don't care what others think' is utter bullshit. I don't think Rodgers can ever get back to having the respect of our players. And as much as I'd love to sack a few of them, in the end their morale is more important than Rodgers' talent.

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

Shocked by them Carra comments. Expect them to be clarified later.

Remember him bollocking Arbeloa when he went off on an early holiday away at West Brom when we came second?

Look at that today. No fucking winners. They should want to win every game whether it's a cup final or a end of season game with fuck all riding on it. They should do because they are playing for Liverpool.

Too many don't seem to get that or actually give a shit. Joke.

[Gnurglan]

Man after my own heart, FSG should be the  first to go

As much as I think we'd like to blame things on the owners, I won't. to be honest, I think they're doing good stuff. I know that goes against popular opinion. So be it.

Our problems are mainly with the people on the football side of it. TC, staff, players. They're throwing money away and they're underperforming. It was FSG that stood firm when that 40M+£1 came in for Suarez. It's them who are getting the new stadium built. It's them who have made us more solid financially. I'd be much more concerned with us spending 100M+ and only getting one first team player for it. A monkey with a few darts and a World Cup guide would have a decent chance beating our TC team. As would a randomly selected team from RAWK.

[Qcase1977]

8 points out of the last 27 on offer. Knocked out of the cup by a piss poor villa. Hammered by Stoke. Fucking Stoke.

He's gone I hope.

[Snail]

Look at that today. No fucking winners. They should want to win every game whether it's a cup final or a end of season game with fuck all riding on it. They should do because they are playing for Liverpool.

Too many don't seem to get that or actually give a shit. Joke.

This is what really concerns me. We're soft as shite, and it's not something that's going to be easily fixed.

[Le_Mot_Juste]

Shocked by them Carra comments. Expect them to be clarified later.

Remember him bollocking Arbeloa when he went off on an early holiday away at West Brom when we came second?

Look at that today. No fucking winners. They should want to win every game whether it's a cup final or a end of season game with fuck all riding on it. They should do because they are playing for Liverpool.

Too many don't seem to get that or actually give a shit. Joke.

It was quite obviously a self-deprecating joke..

[FlashingBlade]

Don't cover this up with reasons and excuses, today was quite simply a disgrace to the standards of Liverpool Football Club built by Shankly, Bob, Joe ,  Kenny and built upon by others. To reason it out is acceptance of failure , at some point you stop apologising for it and get angry.

[Fowllah]

Hope someone tells the Irish Kop lads that there Communist five-teachers banner with Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish and Rafa on are "pathetic".

Decent that. Fuck your history off in case it offends someone who can't live up to those standards.

I saw Dalglish's and Rafa's flash cars. They liked to use their readies too much to be commies.

[Durlmints]

As much as I think we'd like to blame things on the owners, I won't. to be honest, I think they're doing good stuff. I know that goes against popular opinion. So be it.

Our problems are mainly with the people on the football side of it. TC, staff, players. They're throwing money away and they're underperforming. It was FSG that stood firm when that 40M+£1 came in for Suarez. It's them who are getting the new stadium built. It's them who have made us more solid financially. I'd be much more concerned with us spending 100M+ and only getting one first team player for it. A monkey with a few darts and a World Cup guide would have a decent chance beating our TC team. As would a randomly selected team from RAWK.

100%.

Some people are so anti FSG and they've done so much good. The Anfield redevelopment is a huge, huge thing.

Our problems are with the actual, you know, playing football lark!

[Millie]

Pathetic.

You do realise its the 10th anniversary of Istanbul don't you?  So you know - maybe that had something to do with it

[LFC when it suits]

There is that as well. Generally, he has had his favourites and sticking with them could cost him his job.

[DyingAtheist]

As much as I think we'd like to blame things on the owners, I won't. to be honest, I think they're doing good stuff. I know that goes against popular opinion. So be it.

Our problems are mainly with the people on the football side of it. TC, staff, players. They're throwing money away and they're underperforming. It was FSG that stood firm when that 40M+£1 came in for Suarez. It's them who are getting the new stadium built. It's them who have made us more solid financially. I'd be much more concerned with us spending 100M+ and only getting one first team player for it. A monkey with a few darts and a World Cup guide would have a decent chance beating our TC team. As would a randomly selected team from RAWK.

Completely agree, not understanding the hate towards the owners at all, though they certainly need to make some changes in terms of the structure of the club - it seems as though that's going to happen anyway. If people want millions thrown at the team, well, that isn't likely, but I don't think we can label them bad owners for it.

[Coolie High]

IMO that's a £50m gamble not worth taking. Especially as he won't be doing these great things with us regardless if we refuse to sell as he obviously isn't going to commit to us long term. This lad isn't going to be a world beater and give us £50m worth of production in the two years he has left with us.

It is because he already is a darn good player.

He already averages more dribbles than everybody in the league bar Hazard.

He has already proven he can contribute in a title challenge team when he isn't the main player but rather a supporting act, something he will be at all of the other clubs being linked with him

He is already a very good player, he isn't a striker, he isn't an accomplished finisher yet, but at 20 he has already shown he can be devastating.

And if he doesn't work out, you can sell him for 30 m in the next two years, the same price 26 year old Willian with 4 goals and 3 assists to his name fetched.

The price is fair.

[SerbianScouser]

This is what really concerns me. We're soft as shite, and it's not something that's going to be easily fixed.

Rewatch then the 11 game winning run in the business end of the last season. It`s the same players.

[Halcyon Lissome]

Yeah, and if the whole footballing world thought the same way you do, it wouldn't be much of a problem because today's game didn't matter too much in the end. But the footballing world is much like a religion. The 'we don't care what others think' is utter bullshit. I don't think Rodgers can ever get back to having the respect of our players. And as much as I'd love to sack a few of them, in the end their morale is more important than Rodgers' talent.

Ultimately it should be the way we/I think. The players should never be able to dictate the position of a manager by not turning up. "If you don't turn up to play your arse off when you're in a Liverpool shirt, you best fuck off because the manager is staying" should be the mantra.

[dave 5516]

first time in history an opposition team scores 5 goals against us in the first half. EVER

No.

I was at Villa game in the mid 70's when we were getting beat 5-1 at half time...was a good night too.

[Floydy]

Throughout Gerrard has always backed Rodgers. He openly laments he's not young enough to play longer under Rodgers because he thinks we'll win titles with him. That's the definition of support.

I'm sure he didn't see Rodgers' lessening his role coming, but appreciates it all the rest. There are still human beings out there that are self-aware and who can understand the interests of the greater good supersede their own. Gerrard has always been that.

I hear that mate, but Stevie is a proper professional its why we wax lyrical about him.    If I remember correctly he was complimentary about Hodge(not as)  but still complimentary.  Just cause Stevie seems on board doesn't mean he is inwardly

[stockdam]

It's a sad day. For me Rodgers had the team playing as well as any other team last year and for a period this season. However his job is to win games and far too often when we were in important matches we just caved in. The way we rolled over in the last two games was just embarrassing.

I really cannot see any way forward and expect an announcement. All he needed to do was to finish the season reasonably well and then ask for support in transfers. Now I have lost all faith in him and the only solution for me is to change. However the change must be better and must be supported by some real ambition by the owners.

[HighSix]

Next 48h we can expect an unrealistic big name linked, Milner signing on & a slander piece on Mario or Sterling.

Watching that press conference was painful. He really sounds broken.

I thought the quotes were worse than the video... Just sounded humble & apologetic.

[wemmick]

I'm in favour of moving Brendan on given his performance over the entire 3 years however i'm fine with him staying IF the owners truly believe he is the right man and can take us forward. The need to make it clear he has their full support. We can't start next year with our manager still under immense pressure. What absolutely can't happen is the club stick with Rodgers despite having serious concerns then sack him in October after a poor start when we've already brought him a load of players and all the other decent managers are no longer available.

Think you're spot on, there. If BR stays, and regardless of the owners' support, however, I think he will be under enormous pressure from the first kick-off. He'll have to get the players flying out of the blocks to win back the supporters. That's a receipt for disaster if you ask me. The players haven't done much for him this season, and particularly in the last 8 or 9 games. It's a huge ask of them to play brilliantly for him from game #1 in three months time. He'll start the season with no room for error, and he is a young coach who needs room for error.

[Redman0151]

100%.

Some people are so anti FSG and they've done so much good. The Anfield redevelopment is a huge, huge thing.

Our problems are with the actual, you know, playing football lark!

Lots of people are upset with FSG because they're getting priced out of the game, they can't take their children as an entire generation is priced out and it feels like we're losing the club with FSG refusing to even talk with the fans about it until they threatened to boycott. Then on the other hand despite all that, the club tells us the best we can hope for is Benteke and Ings, it just leaves a bitter taste.


According to the rich list we're the 8th most expensive club in the world, yet when people say "Buy Higuain" or "Look at Lacazette" we get told "no, they wouldn't come here"

[BEAST]

For me he brings instant stability

We know what he's about

People will want to play for him.

He's a winner in England, Spain and Italy

He will attract players more than Rodgers

He did worse at Napoli than Mazzari with a higher wage bill even though he arrived right in time for the two Milan clubs to be reigning in their own spending.  Finishing behind Lazio this year wouldn't be a good look, the difference in wage bills is basically the same as us and Spurs % wise.  It's not impressive.

His time at Inter was a fucking disaster.

Winner in England and Spain no doubt but to call him a winner in Italy is stretching the truth a ridiculous amount.


Queue the whiteknights rushing in and saying how hard done by Rafa was by owners and didn't get what he was promised.