Topic: Jordan Henderson

[Coolie High]

I like him.

He keeps things simple and doesn't worry too much about creating chances/ scoring goals/ getting into the box etc.

He's the new Jamie Redknapp.

or the new Gareth Barry.

[steve10]

Another overrated english player who we will probably end up selling for 2 mill in a couple of years times when it become absolutely clear that he is another rubbish player.

[Coolie High]

But, that's where Henderson played almost all of last season, which is what we've based his buy off? Not really out of position in that sense.

I've said it enough times already.

[RideTheWalrus]

Another overrated english player who we will probably end up selling for 2 mill in a couple of years times when it become absolutely clear that he is another rubbish player.

Too far.
Get out.

[Hazell]

Thing is if you want to be direct you need to top class players the sort that chelsea had under mourinho to make it ultimately successfull. We don't have that and I'm some what baffled why we ripped up the blueprint that worked so well last year to start something. It seems kenny is caught in two minds with being direct or a passing side, we had a some good potential for a passing side in our squad but then in the summer went for more direct players to suit andy who doesn't even play.  Now we just look disjointed and unintelligent in attack. I hope the club and kenny pick one style in the summer and run with it rather than let us have to try mould the two which doesn't look like working.

Totally agree, and have said previously we've gone in a different direction to what he previously had (even under Kenny last season). It's fine if it works but it hasn't and some of the signings have't worked out thus far. But we've not fully committed to that which makes it even more confusing.

[1021]

Another overrated english player who we will probably end up selling for 2 mill in a couple of years times when it become absolutely clear that he is another rubbish player.

List all of the past examples.
No, actually list one example that falls into the criteria you set in your post.

[Cpt_Reina]

or the new Gareth Barry.

Gareth Barry who's sat top of the league and has started the vast amount of his team's games to get there?

Perhaps there's something to it.

[Hazell]

By the way, you still didn't answer my initial question, the one about you thinking he's a Championship player and sign of 'how far we have fallen' (amongst other things).

Fordy, you still haven't answered my question. I've asked you twice now and you've totally ignored it.

[jaffod]

The fact some people are arguing Charlie Adam has been more effective this season worries and depresses me greatly.

[1021]

Fordy, you still haven't answered my question. I've asked you twice now and you've totally ignored it.

If you listen closely, you can hear the sound of Fordy logging off.

[Coolie High]

Gareth Barry who's sat top of the league and has started the vast amount of his team's games to get there?

Perhaps there's something to it.

Yeah the fact hes surrounded by David Silva, Sergio Aguero, Ballotelli, Adam Johnson etc.

[Tomo!]

Can't believe he's getting written off already.

Out of him Carroll, Adam and Downing he's the one im not in the least bit worried about.

He's looked spot on at times this season in the middle and same again the few times I've watched England under 21 games.


He's over cautious and plays well within his ability.

He's also 21 in his first season at a big club, in a team that's misfiring badly.

[evie]

I still don't understand why people on here feel the need to retort to namecalling. Why exactly is he a shitehouse for example? I'm sure you lot could do a better job than Jordan. Definitely. For sure. No doubt about it. 

[smicer07]

I think he'll be great in 2 or 3 seasons. Will the fans give him that time? Doubt it.

[Hazell]

Yeah the fact hes surrounded by David Silva, Sergio Aguero, Ballotelli, Adam Johnson etc.

And he still manages to retain a regular place in that side.

[Tomo!]

I think he'll be great in 2 or 3 seasons. Will the fans give him that time? Doubt it.

Fucking hope so

[1021]

Yeah the fact hes surrounded by David Silva, Sergio Aguero, Ballotelli, Adam Johnson etc.

Aye, he's only in the side because of how shite the other City centre midfielders Yaya Toure, Nigel de Jong, and David Pizarro are.

[Bird Bird Bird The Bird Is The Word]

Don't think he's benefitting at all from playing every game, especially when he's out of form. Think Shelvey should be given a few games, if only to give Henderson a rest.

[Brian Blessed]

Totally awful, quite simply not good enough. He needs to be gone this summer, no questions asked. Sorry Lucas lad, you don't have the quality

- kneejerkers, 2009.

[the good half]

I miss Alonso like I miss an old girlfriend.


Not sure what that has to do with this thread, but I do.

Do you thjink he ever thinks about us?

[Coolie High]

And he still manages to retain a regular place in that side.

For how long though, he is the most disposable player in their side and that regular place will probably be gone next season.

[Cpt_Reina]

Yeah the fact hes surrounded by David Silva, Sergio Aguero, Ballotelli, Adam Johnson etc.

That's a completely separate point.

Considering Barry does nothing else but keep that team ticking over, surely it shows that that sort player has a part to play in a top team? See also, Barcelona (Xavi), Man Utd (Carrick), Real Madrid (Alonso), Arsenal (Wilshere), Spurs (Modric), and on and on.

They cant all be wrong.

And before you or anyone else starts, this is not to compare Henderson in ability to those players. Merely in style of play.

'All' those players do is pass and move. They dont get assists and they dont score goals. They make their teams tick. That is the player Henderson is.

When he's not shafted and moved out wide.

[Rohit]

That's a completely separate point.

Considering Barry does nothing else but keep that team ticking over, surely it shows that that sort player has a part to play in a top team? See also, Barcelona (Xavi), Man Utd (Carrick), Real Madrid (Alonso), Arsenal (Wilshere), Spurs (Modric), and on and on.

They cant all be wrong.

And before you or anyone else starts, this is not to compare Henderson in ability to those players. Merely in style of play.

'All' those players do is pass and move. They dont get assists and they dont score goals. They make their teams tick. That is the player Henderson is.

When he's not shafted and moved out wide.

We'll said mate.

[1021]

For how long though, he is the most disposable player in their side and that regular place will probably be gone next season.

Yaya Toure, Nigel de Jong, and David Pizarro.

He is keeping two of these three players out of the side most weeks, now.
Next season, at 32 any top side would be looking to phase him out, but he is performing well enough to maintain his place in the starting XI of the best side in the country.

He's no Alonso, but he isn't shite.

[Coolie High]

Aye, he's only in the side because of how shite the other City centre midfielders Yaya Toure, Nigel de Jong, and David Pizarro are.

Yaya Toure is the star of that midfileld, De Jong is an out and out defensive midfield, and Pizarro has just arrived.  He is in the side for a reason, but is by no means a quality player, City can afford to accommodate him though because of their wealth of attacking options, however Mancini will know that if he wants to do better n Europe Barry will probably have to make way for a more technically gifted player.

[Hazell]

For how long though, he is the most disposable player in their side and that regular place will probably be gone next season.

That's not the point. If people think he's shit or even average, then his place in a team at the top of the league at present containing players like Yaya Toure and Nigel De Jong suggests otherwise.

[1021]

That's a completely separate point.

Considering Barry does nothing else but keep that team ticking over, surely it shows that that sort player has a part to play in a top team? See also, Barcelona (Xavi), Man Utd (Carrick), Real Madrid (Alonso), Arsenal (Wilshere), Spurs (Modric), and on and on.

They cant all be wrong.

And before you or anyone else starts, this is not to compare Henderson in ability to those players. Merely in style of play.

'All' those players do is pass and move. They dont get assists and they dont score goals. They make their teams tick. That is the player Henderson is.

When he's not shafted and moved out wide.

Great post.

[GoodStuff]

Aha Barry?

Hes the weak link at City. IT should be Yaya Toure + 1. De Jong is seen as too defensive but he would be best option. For me it should be Pizzaro, quality player. technically brillaint, but Mancini got his own ideas on how to use him. Barry plays cos he does a decent job hes got Kompany, Lescott, Richards behind him and fucking David Silva in front of him and Yaya beside him. Notice the blip City went on when Yaya went away to AFCON?

[1021]

Yaya Toure is the star of that midfileld, De Jong is an out and out defensive midfield, and Pizarro has just arrived.  He is in the side for a reason, but is by no means a quality player, City can afford to accommodate him though because of their wealth of attacking options, however Mancini will know that if he wants to do better n Europe Barry will probably have to make way for a more technically gifted player.

A side challenging for the league title cannot afford to 'accommodate' anyone.
He is keeping a Dutch and Chilean international out of the side, for a reason, he performs for Manchester City on a weekly basis the role the manager wants him to, that of retaining possession of the football.

It is truly astounding how the Alonso saga clouds the judgement people have on Barry as a player.

[Hazell]

That's a completely separate point.

Considering Barry does nothing else but keep that team ticking over, surely it shows that that sort player has a part to play in a top team? See also, Barcelona (Xavi), Man Utd (Carrick), Real Madrid (Alonso), Arsenal (Wilshere), Spurs (Modric), and on and on.

They cant all be wrong.

And before you or anyone else starts, this is not to compare Henderson in ability to those players. Merely in style of play.

'All' those players do is pass and move. They dont get assists and they dont score goals. They make their teams tick. That is the player Henderson is.

When he's not shafted and moved out wide.

Spot on.

[Fordy]

Fordy, you still haven't answered my question. I've asked you twice now and you've totally ignored it.

Hazell I got the Lucas thing wrong.

Will be right on Henderson though.

Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

[Coolie High]

That's a completely separate point.

Considering Barry does nothing else but keep that team ticking over, surely it shows that that sort player has a part to play in a top team? See also, Barcelona (Xavi), Man Utd (Carrick), Real Madrid (Alonso), Arsenal (Wilshere), Spurs (Modric), and on and on.

They cant all be wrong.

And before you or anyone else starts, this is not to compare Henderson in ability to those players. Merely in style of play.

'All' those players do is pass and move. They dont get assists and they dont score goals. They make their teams tick. That is the player Henderson is.

When he's not shafted and moved out wide.

Alsono, Modric, Wilshere, Xavi, Carrick are all far more technically gifted players than Barry. Barry is more comparable to Parker, i never said players like that don't have a place in top clubs because they do.

Henderson isn't as good as any of them and probably never will be, if he was i wouldn't be complaining. The argument you use is akin to saying Kaka, Gerrard, Rooney, Jovetic are all great second strikers, and Taarabt is a second striker as well so he has a place in our side?

[rafathegaffa83]

I think he'll be great in 2 or 3 seasons. Will the fans give him that time? Doubt it.

Definitely. There were worse performers out there today.

[Hazell]

It is truly astounding how the Alonso saga clouds the judgement people have on Barry as a player.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Carrick also has the same kind of criticisms but Man Utd won the league 3 times in a row and a European Cup after they signed him.

[1021]

Hazell I got the Lucas thing wrong.

Will be right on Henderson though.

Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

And upon which basis do you draw this conclusion from?

[Hazell]

Hazell I got the Lucas thing wrong.

Will be right on Henderson though.

Think that about sums it up.

[Cpt_Reina]

Alsono, Modric, Wilshere, Xavi, Carrick are all far more technically gifted players than Barry. Barry is more comparable to Parker, i never said players like that don't have a place in top clubs because they do.

Henderson isn't as good as any of them and probably never will be, if he was i wouldn't be complaining. The argument you use is akin to saying Kaka, Gerrard, Rooney, Jovetic are all great second strikers, and Taarabt is a second striker as well so he has a place in our side?

Not exactly, because Henderson isn't being played in CM is he?

If Taarabt was being slagged off for being a shite RB I'd probably defend him too.

[Coolie High]

A side challenging for the league title cannot afford to 'accommodate' anyone.
He is keeping a Dutch and Chilean international out of the side, for a reason, he performs for Manchester City on a weekly basis the role the manager wants him to, that of retaining possession of the football.

It is truly astounding how the Alonso saga clouds the judgement people have on Barry as a player.

A side challenging can afford to accommodate players. United have been doing it for years, players like Evra, Jones, Park Giggs(in cm) are average players who have got runs in their side, yet they still manage to challenge.

Barry does a job for city, but like i said he is their most disposable player and i will be very surprised if he doesn't make way next season for a more technically adept player with a similar style of play like Banega.

[Coolie High]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Carrick also has the same kind of criticisms but Man Utd won the league 3 times in a row and a European Cup after they signed him.

I've rated Carrick since he was at West Ham, he is a better player than Barry.

[Hazell]

I've rated Carrick since he was at West Ham, he is a better player than Barry.

Fine but there have been a lot of people who whose opinions of him are similar to that of Barry and Henderson.