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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1040 on: September 19, 2010, 05:51:37 pm »
Vastly superior?
Really?  Looked pretty ordinary to me, a couple of poorly defended headers and a sublime (albeit lucky) overhead lobby goal aside.
We scored two and O Shea should have been sent off, fair analysis Phil?
Why don't you stick to saying "yeah, he could be the next Kaka" about every 17 year old in Brazil you see, I enjoy reading your guesswork.

I'd say they were vastly superior myself, not that I thought they were brilliant by any means, we were just very very ordinary

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« Reply #1041 on: September 19, 2010, 05:52:00 pm »
Can I have some of whatever Roy's been drinking?

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"If we are good enough to get into the top four, who knows, maybe we can get closer to the number one position.

"I won't say we can't do it, nor will I say we can do it."

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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1042 on: September 19, 2010, 05:52:23 pm »
Point is i've seen us go to Old Trafford in great form and still dish up exactly that again and again........ usually conceding in the last ten minutes just to rub salt into the wounds of repeatedly shite performances.

I don't think that's been the case in recent years. Though it seems your definition of 'shite' differs to mine. We weren't shit there last season, or the year before or a few years ago when we lost in the last minute but should have really won.
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« Reply #1043 on: September 19, 2010, 05:52:47 pm »
I don't think I can make a good comment while being so intoxicated.

All I can say is....

Get these fucking owners out.

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« Reply #1044 on: September 19, 2010, 05:52:58 pm »
Let's not forget the real reason behind our decline

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« Reply #1045 on: September 19, 2010, 05:53:21 pm »
Don't you find it funny that for a manager allegedly appointed because of footballing reasons, and whom the board promised to be superior to our previous one in every way in footballing terms, is making the same mistakes as his predecessor?

No because I didnt expect Roy to do better than Rafa if I'm honest. I still don't, because he's not half as good a manager.

But I don't agree that that in itself makes him open for criticism whereas Rafa gets off the hook as it were.
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« Reply #1046 on: September 19, 2010, 05:54:37 pm »
No one can disagree with that.

Just fuming that we had the chance to win this game, sat back and it blew up in our faces. You'd think we would have learned our lesson from previous seasons.

Fully agree with you, I thought Man U were ordinary today and we let them play but some people on here are taking the Roy bashing a step to far; he may be part of our decline but his appointment his just a tiny aspect of it

His tactics today allowed to much space in the midfield and man u used it to cross balls in.  Normally Mascherano would of broke up their play but without him or even a Sissoko we seem to lack a player who scraps it out and does the ugly football well in midfield
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« Reply #1047 on: September 19, 2010, 05:54:56 pm »
Ok.Its been sad.Harsh after coming back to 2-2.But it was a fight till the finish.Right from the beginning we knew that the first 5 games,that included 3 big ones,and a brum away,was going to be really tough.
Next up we have a string of fixtures leading up to chelsea that are winnable.We must look to get full points,and move on.Joe is back.Meireles is class.Stevie is scoring.Nando will.
Reality is that we are 3 points away from a UCl place.Thats how tight it is.

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« Reply #1048 on: September 19, 2010, 05:55:06 pm »
We gave them too many opportunities to cross the ball today. All 3 goals resulted from crosses into the box. Sometimes we were left with 2 on 1 down the wings due to lack of cover (this is where we miss Kuyt.) The team on paper could have won today, but the tactics were wrong and Utd. which made Utd. look better than they actually were.

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« Reply #1049 on: September 19, 2010, 05:55:53 pm »
Why was Berbatovs overhead kick 'lucky'?

Why should O'Shea have been sent off?

It wasn't a true 'arrow' of an overhead, he kind of hooked it rather than caught it sweet, which meant that it arked rather than arrowed.  95 times out of 100 he gets that wrong and it's too short or too long.

Torres would have caught that through ball.  You're a shit-stirrer for even asking.

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« Reply #1050 on: September 19, 2010, 05:56:13 pm »
Jost got back from the game and didn't have a chance to read much around here.  But have TWO things to say really and hope it is a consensus opinion around here:
1. Merieles is a f. class - great ball handler, great passer, first start away at MU and he delivers, big time. We got a gem with this one, I tell you...
2. Joe Cole is f. rubbish - akin to little L. Garcia but with the key difference that Garcia actually delivered around 1/3 or 1/4 of his lttle tricks.  Cole is a true big club dropout.  Clear now why he couldn't find regular place at Chelsea (with Ancelotti) and at England (with Capello). I hope Hodgson realizes this f. SOON.  I feel that if Merieles stayed on we just could have had a chance of retaining some possession after we tied.  I was real pissed when I saw Jova coming on for Merieles and not for Cole.  Unless he was forced to make that change, Hodgson clearly blew it in my mind.
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1051 on: September 19, 2010, 05:56:39 pm »
The post your replying to there, and many, many others just utterly reinforces a long held view of mine - namely that most people don't actually watch football at all. They watch results, and they watch players, but they don't really watch the football. Their verdict on how the match went is entirely determined by hindsight, based on the results, with performances rated according to a) how much they liked the players in the first place and b) how much hugely memorable eye-catching stuff they did on the pitch. It's got absolutely bugger all to do with the balance of play.

The tactical differences between Roy's and Rafa's Liverpool side are huge and numerous, and indeed completely obvious (you would think), that so many don't see it just shows how poorly tactics are understood. The media reaction is completely telling as well - I haven't heard anything about the lack of pressing or the narrowness, or the fact we're setting up the same week in week out. In short, the media analyse games exactly the same way - they look at results, determine an agenda and won't change that unless there's a big change in results.

That's why commentators will bang on about how beautiful and attacking Man Utd are (and indeed as will fans), in the mist of tedious run of 14 grinding 1-0 wins which reminded me of nothing more than Arsenal under Graham. It's a major problem with football in this country at all levels of the game, and something I find profoundly depressing.

On a brighter note, it's still why sites like RAWK are so good - I might possibly have given up on football completely if there weren't sites like this and posters like yourself (and many others) about, who really want to learn about the game and think about it in a different way.



Totally agree - "pundits" on TV give incredibly shallow analysis.
They should be made to produce in-depth analysis before and after a game.
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1052 on: September 19, 2010, 05:58:56 pm »
It wasn't a true 'arrow' of an overhead, he kind of hooked it rather than caught it sweet, which meant that it arked rather than arrowed.  95 times out of 100 he gets that wrong and it's too short or too long.

Torres would have caught that through ball.  You're a shit-stirrer for even asking.

I'm not shit stirring.

Torres wouldnt have got that ball in a million years. It was in the keepers hands just as he hit the deck. Yellow card, free kick. Correct decision.

Calling the overhead kick lucky is a bit bitter. It was a fucking great goal.....I think he delibrately arced it because of the two men at his back. He certainly has the ability to pull it off on purpose.
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« Reply #1053 on: September 19, 2010, 05:59:11 pm »

I completely agree with your bolded part.

But, for me, this has been going on for over a year. It's Rafa's teams problems carried into Roy's
It isn't 'Rafa's problems' FFS.

To take just one example, Utd never had a piss easy time of it putting cross after cross into our box, a Rafa team would never let the opposition play there favoured style without trying to stop them. We also liked to pressure utd's back 4, that was consistent in almost every game we played against them - certainly we'd give them no time and space in midfield and on the flanks. We never, ever set up with 2 deep banks of 4, very narrow, against Utd.

We're getting similar results away from home at the moment, and yes, both teams have struggled to score freely - but to say that the problems are the same suggests that you never really saw what the problems are or were, beyond a lack of goals.

There's so much more that goes into it than just putting the ball in the net or not. In terms of tactical approach, Rafa's Liverpool and Roy's Liverpool are hugely different, fundamentally different - Roy's a lot closer to Houllier in his approach, and even though Rafa very gradually built on Houllier's formation and style certain things - like the defensive line and more emphasis on pressing, were there from the start, and have now equally clearly gone again.

It's also a total kop-out in terms of Roy's and the players abilities - it's like laying all our current footballing failings at Rafa's door, which isn't fair at all. Neither would it have been fair to lay all our footballing failings in '05 at Houllier's door, for that matter, with the exception that I strongly believe Rafa has left far better foundations than Houllier did.

Hopefully in the upcoming run of games against 'easier' opposition Roy's differences may prove very beneficial - I'd certainly say in Roy's defence that it's been an absolute nightmare run of fixtures to start with, and not one where you're really likely to see the benefits of a new approach bed down in an attacking sense.
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1054 on: September 19, 2010, 06:00:29 pm »
I'm actually really happy with those quotes from Hodgson, i'm pleased to know we're still aiming for top 4 or better, even if performance and results don't reflect that so far.  I'd have been worried if he started saying getting 7th was our aim.
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« Reply #1055 on: September 19, 2010, 06:00:46 pm »
Jost got back from the game and didn't have a chance to read much around here.  But have TWO things to say really and hope it is a consensus opinion around here:
1. Meireles is a f. class - great ball handler, great passer, first start away at MU and he delivers, big time. We got a gem with this one, I tell you...
2. Joe Cole is f. rubbish - akin to little L. Garcia but with the key difference that Garcia actually delivered around 1/3 or 1/4 of his lttle tricks.  Cole is a true big club dropout.  Clear now why he couldn't find regular place at Chelsea (with Ancelotti) and at England (with Capello). I hope Hodgson realizes this f. SOON.  I feel that if Meireles stayed on we just could have had a chance of retaining some possession after we tied.  I was real pissed when I saw Jova coming on for Meireles and not for Cole.  Unless he was forced to make that change, Hodgson clearly blew it in my mind.
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« Reply #1056 on: September 19, 2010, 06:01:04 pm »
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« Reply #1057 on: September 19, 2010, 06:01:41 pm »
Jost got back from the game and didn't have a chance to read much around here.  But have TWO things to say really and hope it is a consensus opinion around here:
1. Meireles is a f. class - great ball handler, great passer, first start away at MU and he delivers, big time. We got a gem with this one, I tell you...
2. Joe Cole is f. rubbish - akin to little L. Garcia but with the key difference that Garcia actually delivered around 1/3 or 1/4 of his lttle tricks.  Cole is a true big club dropout.  Clear now why he couldn't find regular place at Chelsea (with Ancelotti) and at England (with Capello). I hope Hodgson realizes this f. SOON.  I feel that if Meireles stayed on we just could have had a chance of retaining some possession after we tied.  I was real pissed when I saw Jova coming on for Meireles and not for Cole.  Unless he was forced to make that change, Hodgson clearly blew it in my mind.


Don't agree at all about Cole.

On Meireles' substitution, he was dead on his feet. He had to come off

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« Reply #1058 on: September 19, 2010, 06:02:17 pm »
Totally agree - "pundits" on TV give incredibly shallow analysis.
They should be made to produce in-depth analysis before and after a game.
MOTD analysis tonight:

Berbatov was brilliant, Torres wasn't. Probable montage comparing the two. Poor set piece defending, look how many crosses Utd got in.

There won't really be any analysis of why those things happened, and I'll bet as well they won't criticise man-marking as a system, even though every set-piece we've conceded so far has shown very clearly the failings of that system.

It will mostly be a Berbatov wankfest though.

OOh, sorry, I almost forgot - there may be a bit of Hansen dissecting and showing concern about Utd's leaky defence thus far. Again, no real effort to explain why - but they will highlight the specific mistakes made (just not any systemic factors that may be behind those mistakes).
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« Reply #1059 on: September 19, 2010, 06:03:22 pm »
I've just had a look at our fixture list. This is our league run in from now until the end of November.

Sunderland - Home
Blackpool - Home
Everton - Away
Blackburn - Home
Chelsea - Home
Wigan - Away
Stoke -Away
West Ham - Home

This has to be where we kick start our season.

We should get 21 points from seven games without counting Chelsea at Anfield, if we manage to get these 21 points I think we'd be fifth by that point, not that bad IMO.
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« Reply #1060 on: September 19, 2010, 06:04:09 pm »
I've just had a look at our fixture list. This is our league run in from now until the end of November.

Sunderland - Home
Blackpool - Home
Everton - Away
Blackburn - Home
Chelsea - Home
Wigan - Away
Stoke -Away
West Ham - Home

This has to be where we kick start our season.
We need get a least 18 - 24 points from these games.If we do, top 4 no problems. If we end up more like 5 - 10 points from these games. It means that we will continue to perpetuate the cycle of mediocrity.

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« Reply #1061 on: September 19, 2010, 06:04:13 pm »
I'm actually really happy with those quotes from Hodgson, i'm pleased to know we're still aiming for top 4 or better, even if performance and results don't reflect that so far.  I'd have been worried if he started saying getting 7th was our aim.

No one but a moron would admit to aiming for 7th. Hodgson's been brought in to get 4th and that will publicly remain his target until he's got it or until it's impossible to achieve.
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1062 on: September 19, 2010, 06:04:40 pm »
I'm not shit stirring.

Torres wouldnt have got that ball in a million years. It was in the keepers hands just as he hit the deck. Yellow card, free kick. Correct decision.

Calling the overhead kick lucky is a bit bitter. It was a fucking great goal.....I think he delibrately arced it because of the two men at his back. He certainly has the ability to pull it off on purpose.

Last man's tackle is a yellow card?

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« Reply #1063 on: September 19, 2010, 06:04:58 pm »
MOTD analysis tonight:

Berbatov was brilliant, Torres wasn't. Probable montage comparing the two. Poor set piece defending, look how many crosses Utd got in.

There won't really be any analysis of why those things happened, and I'll bet as well they won't criticise man-marking as a system, even though every set-piece we've conceded so far has shown very clearly the failings of that system.

It will mostly be a Berbatov wankfest though.

OOh, sorry, I almost forgot - there may be a bit of Hansen dissecting and showing concern about Utd's leaky defence thus far. Again, no real effort to explain why - but they will highlight the specific mistakes made (just not any systemic factors that may be behind those mistakes).

So...in a nutshell...showing clips and narrating the footage rather than explaining it.

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« Reply #1064 on: September 19, 2010, 06:05:33 pm »
We should get 21 points from seven games without counting Chelsea at Anfield, if we manage to get these 21 points I think we'd be fifth by that point, not that bad IMO.

I would be confident to get 12 from the home games and hope to pick up 4 away - 16 being more likely than 21 I reckon.

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« Reply #1065 on: September 19, 2010, 06:05:41 pm »
Roy needs to show some damn backbone. His post-match conference is sickening to say the least.
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« Reply #1066 on: September 19, 2010, 06:05:51 pm »
The most worrying thing for me today was Nando, he looks really short of confidence and fitness and most importantly his body language was not good from what I saw
This Torres watching is going way over the top - we have seen performances like today's from him lots of times over the years - he'll bang in two next week

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« Reply #1067 on: September 19, 2010, 06:06:03 pm »
Roy Hodgson was left to lament a lapse in concentration after Liverpool's superb fightback was thwarted by Dimitar Berbatov's match-winning treble in the 3-2 defeat at Manchester United.

The Reds boss felt his side showed great character to pull level after a quick-fire Steven Gerrard brace had cancelled out the Bulgarian's first two efforts.

However, the United No.9 claimed his hat-trick six minutes from time and although Alex Ferguson suggested the hosts should have won by a greater margin of victory in a post-match TV interview, the boss was disappointed to return home empty-handed.

Hodgson told his post-match press conference: "I think we deserved a draw. United played very well but to undermine our performance that much is a bit harsh.

"I respect what other managers say and their feelings on the game but don't want to get involved.

"We've had a very hard start, but our performance today was clearly much better than against WBA and Birmingham. We were playing against a top class team. We can take a lot of credit by the way we went about our business and got back into the game from 2-0 down to 2-2. We can take credit for the way we played in the second half and I thought the quality of our football was quite good.

"Our aim is to get better. Our aim is still to try and get to the Champions League, maybe that's where I need to have my focus.

"We need to get better and be more incisive. Even in the first half after a good spell from United, when we started to calm down and pass the ball, we got into good areas. But we weren't incisive enough with the final pass, although we were much better in the second half."

Liverpool's hopes of taking something from the game looked all but over when Berbatov followed up his first-half header with an acrobatic finish on the hour mark.

However, a Gerrard penalty reduced the arrears before the skipper dragged his team level with a clever free-kick.

The incident leading up to the second goal saw John O'Shea haul down Fernando Torres when clear on goal, leaving many to question whether the United man should have received his marching orders.

Hodgson refused to be drawn on the matter and was more concerned by the poor defending that saw Berbatov claim both his hat-trick and the points late on.

He said: "We defended poorly, on a cross six minutes from the end which I thought we should have done much better with.

"It would be churlish to talk about whether a player should be sent off because our downfall in terms of not getting the point was due to the fact that we should have defended better for the third goal.

"I don't have too much of problem with the first two.  The first was a wonderful corner kick and header, while the second was a bit of genius that is hard to defend against.

"But the third was far too routine and having done so well to get back to 2-2, I thought we should have kept it."

Asked about Alex Ferguson's comments in which the United boss suggested Torres was looking to get O'Shea sent off, he said: "I'm not going to comment on that, I prefer to talk about the game and issues that interest me. I don't think I should get involved in discussion with other people.

"Sir Alex is entitled to his opinion. I'm not going to come in here and say I agree or disagree because it's a statement you are informing me about and it doesn't have any interest to me in terms of points to discuss.

"I thought the referee officiated the game very well. I have a very ambivalent attitude to those type of things, as I'm not a great lover of red cards for petty offences. I  didn't see it as a particularly vicious challenge, whether it was a foul or not, well to be honest I would have to study the video. Alex is a lot closer to it. My first thought was it was a foul, but I must say I didn't have the thought that the player should be sent off. Some of my staff thought so but I had a much calmer attitude to it.

"As it turned out, we got the goal anyway and it should have given us a good base and perhaps a deserved point from the game."

The boss was also quizzed about his targets for the rest of the season and added: "We are certainly in a transitional period.

"I don't think it needs to be negative, sometimes they can be very good for a club. Certainly the task has been complicated by the fact I didn't get a chance to work with the players because of the World Cup and with the Europa qualifiers starting so early, we were thrown into the deep end of competitive football.

"In the Europa League we've done well, but in the league we've lost two matches - to Man City and Man United away. Perhaps we need to say at the moment that's going to happen to us and we need to get better so it doesn't happen to us in the future.

"Our goal at the start of the season was to compete for a Champions League place, but perhaps that means you are automatically going to compete for the league because quite often the difference between first and fourth place isn't a vast number of points.

"If we are good enough to get into the top four, who knows, maybe we can get closer to the number one position.

"I won't say we can't do it, nor will I say we can do it."

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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1068 on: September 19, 2010, 06:06:10 pm »
Roy needs to show some damn backbone. His post-match conference is sickening to say the least.

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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1069 on: September 19, 2010, 06:06:16 pm »
Last man's tackle is a yellow card?



Depends if the striker can get to the ball - Torres probably wasn't going to get there.

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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1070 on: September 19, 2010, 06:06:41 pm »
Ahem. 

*Whispers so not to make you look a twat* 

That was tongue in cheek, right there champ.  To counter your equally overstated description of anyone who likes Rafa as having a bedspread with his face on it and wallpaper to match.

Oh and when you contract you and are it makes you're

My teacher gave me that to do as homework....because I'm twelve....ahem   :wave

As if am arsed about a bit of spelling.

Your teacher must of loved you, you sound a right pedantic arse wipe.
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1071 on: September 19, 2010, 06:07:08 pm »
Last man's tackle is a yellow card?

Was it a clear goalscoring opportunity?

See Carra on Owen at Anfield last season.
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1072 on: September 19, 2010, 06:07:18 pm »
It isn't 'Rafa's problems' FFS.

To take just one example, Utd never had a piss easy time of it putting cross after cross into our box, a Rafa team would never let the opposition play there favoured style without trying to stop them. We also liked to pressure utd's back 4, that was consistent in almost every game we played against them - certainly we'd give them no time and space in midfield and on the flanks. We never, ever set up with 2 deep banks of 4, very narrow, against Utd.

We're getting similar results away from home at the moment, and yes, both teams have struggled to score freely - but to say that the problems are the same suggests that you never really saw what the problems are or were, beyond a lack of goals.

There's so much more that goes into it than just putting the ball in the net or not. In terms of tactical approach, Rafa's Liverpool and Roy's Liverpool are hugely different, fundamentally different - Roy's a lot closer to Houllier in his approach, and even though Rafa very gradually built on Houllier's formation and style certain things - like the defensive line and more emphasis on pressing, were there from the start, and have now equally clearly gone again.

It's also a total kop-out in terms of Roy's and the players abilities - it's like laying all our current footballing failings at Rafa's door, which isn't fair at all. Neither would it have been fair to lay all our footballing failings in '05 at Houllier's door, for that matter, with the exception that I strongly believe Rafa has left far better foundations than Houllier did.

Hopefully in the upcoming run of games against 'easier' opposition Roy's differences may prove very beneficial - I'd certainly say in Roy's defence that it's been an absolute nightmare run of fixtures to start with, and not one where you're really likely to see the benefits of a new approach bed down in an attacking sense.


I realise there are different tactics. But i am watching the same side make the same mistakes as they did last season. Granted the defending system has changed, but the general play (of most league games so far) is as static as it was in Rafa's last year. It's the same problems rolling into this year, with other problems of Roy's (such as the crosses coming in). It's just going to take a bit of time for Roy to get Rafa's tactics out of the players, and his own implemented.

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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1073 on: September 19, 2010, 06:07:27 pm »
Think your summary of Cole's a bit premature. It was a tough game today. I suspect we'll see the best of Cole as the season develops. United away is not his venue to shine in the way he can do.
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1074 on: September 19, 2010, 06:07:59 pm »
Show some fucking backbone for christ sake Hodgson
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1075 on: September 19, 2010, 06:08:25 pm »
MOTD analysis tonight:

Berbatov was brilliant, Torres wasn't. Probable montage comparing the two. Poor set piece defending, look how many crosses Utd got in.

There won't really be any analysis of why those things happened, and I'll bet as well they won't criticise man-marking as a system, even though every set-piece we've conceded so far has shown very clearly the failings of that system.

It will mostly be a Berbatov wankfest though.

OOh, sorry, I almost forgot - there may be a bit of Hansen dissecting and showing concern about Utd's leaky defence thus far. Again, no real effort to explain why - but they will highlight the specific mistakes made (just not any systemic factors that may be behind those mistakes).
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Re: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...
« Reply #1076 on: September 19, 2010, 06:09:30 pm »
As if am arsed about a bit of spelling.

Your teacher must of loved you, you sound a right pedantic arse wipe.

You mean "must have", surely?



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« Reply #1077 on: September 19, 2010, 06:09:35 pm »
Your posts are superb mate , they really are , enjoying reading them whilst Juan is away , where is he by the way ?
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« Reply #1078 on: September 19, 2010, 06:09:47 pm »
It's just going to take a bit of time for Roy to get Rafa's tactics out of the players, and his own implemented.

Nothing to do with Rafa's tactics from last season ffs

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« Reply #1079 on: September 19, 2010, 06:10:00 pm »
Good to get a first-hand account of the game. Agree about Meireles. He's really impressive - was equal to Scholes in the centre.
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Think your summary of Cole's a bit premature. It was a tough game today. I suspect we'll see the best of Cole as the season develops. United away is not his venue to shine in the way he can do.
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