Topic: Man Utd vs Liverpool-In Game Commentary & Post game shite...

[desert red]

Bring in  Martin Kelly i just hope that we can off load that sad excuse for a wing back Johnson
Danny Pacheco if ever there is a player that needs some extended time on the pitch its him
when Roy talked about dead wood at Liverpool looks like its more like a Forest

[AriGold]

Bring in  Martin Kelly i just hope that we can off load that sad excuse for a wing back Johnson

I feel depressed.

[rushyman]

exactly.Mr Alex Ferguson only dislikes Managers with the Bollocks to stand up to him.
Stop kissing his arse for fucks sake, and grow a pair of balls.You're manager of Liverpool now.

Why though?

Leave that to us, thats what we do. His job is to select a team and tactics to win football games

Mind games no matter how much the press and that monkey keys goes on about them, do not exist.

Now back to my job. Fuck you Whiskeycock

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Lets see where we are in the next 5 games.

Sunderland (H), Blackpool (H), Everton (A), Blackburn (H) and Bolton (A) ... A maximum of 9-10 points there ... After those 5 games, we will still be sitting comfortably in the mid-table ...

[YayaP]

Than again ...

It's not that I think Roy is doing a better job than Rafa.....trust me I was devastated when he left. However, it just was not as bad as people are making it out to be. And yes, the 2-1 loss last year was much much much worse than the 3-2 loss this time around. I don't find the need to argue that point because anyone who watched both games would definitely agree. People just blow up on Roy today, but last year if someone said that Rafa didn't do a great job against the Mancs people lost their minds and accused people of being "Istanbul fans" or "sky kneejerk reactors."

I'm not trying to turn this into a Roy vs Rafa debate because I love and support both managers. However, it is a double standard to lend unconditional support to one man and loathe everything the other man does.

[Not funny reecehenebry]

We have had many seasons under Benitez where we have been closer to the relegation zone than the title.

?

[El Denzel Pepito]

We have had many seasons under Benitez where we have been closer to the relegation zone than the title.

I'm sorry, but what?

[Dr Manhattan]

I'm sorry, but what?

It's quite honestly the most ridiculous thing I've seen written.

[rednich85]

I'm sorry, but what?

Sniffing nail varnish.

[downtown]

Bring in  Martin Kelly i just hope that we can off load that sad excuse for a wing back Johnson
Danny Pacheco if ever there is a player that needs some extended time on the pitch its him
when Roy talked about dead wood at Liverpool looks like its more like a Forest

wow.
you guys are very harsh on Glen.

Put a proper RW (fine, not proper, but something better than Maxi) in front of him, and he'll definitely improve.

Glen misses Dirk more than anyone else in the team.

his best performances of this season (vs Arsenal, n vs Trabzonspor) have been when overlapping with Dirk.

since all our Wingers atm, are absolute pants, I'd like to see Johnson get a go at Richardson @ RW on saturday

[TOMMO86]

If We can get 4 wins out of 5 with 1 draw and with other results going how I think they will, I have just done that Predictor and This is what I think we could end up with before we play Chelsea

Team            P     GD    PTS

1 Chelsea      10    28    26
2 Arsenal       10    13    21
3 Man UTD     10    10    21
4 Tottenham  10    6     19
5 Man City     10    9     18
6 Birmingham 10    3     18
7 Liverpool     10    3     18
8 Wolves        10    0     15
9 Fulham        10    1     14
10 Bolton       10    0     14
11 Newcastle 10    1     13
12 Blackpool  10   -7     13
13 Sunderland  10   -3     12
14 Stoke       10   -3     10
15 Blackburn   10   -7     8
16 West Brom   10   -11    8
17 Aston Villa 10   -11    7
18 West Ham    10   -12    7
19 Everton     10   -5     6
20 Wigan       10   -15    6

[Harry_Wong]

We may have been set up defensively previously, but we let Man Utd play today and didn't press them at all, let them work the ball and get crosses in against players who are presently struggling with balls into the box. Offensively, I don't think we were set up right today, we looked ponderous in possession and I think Gerrard needed to be swapped with Meireles with Lucas brought in. That, I think, would have added more to our attacking play.

I think this is one of the key changes I've noticed.  Liverpool are no longer pressing the opposition in possession and not moving the ball forward with the same kind of purpose.  The defence from crosses and corners seems much worse than under zonal marking. 

I especially agree that Meireles and Gerrard should have been swapped around, and that Lucas would probably have offered more than Poulsen.

Pity the Lucas thread is locked for some reason.

[skidz73]

We have had many seasons under Benitez where we have been closer to the relegation zone than the title.

Rather than make that bland statement why not back it up with some facts if  you believe that to be the case

[robbie96]

Sunderland (H), Blackpool (H), Everton (A), Blackburn (H) and Bolton (A) ... A maximum of 9-10 points there ... After those 5 games, we will still be sitting comfortably in the mid-table ...

Brings a completely new dimension to the derby, doesn't it?!

[Jagdip]

Do people post on this board to be noticed and receive attention or to discuss intellectually, their views regarding our club? Ridiculous statement by killer heels. Would be great to block the time wasting views on here.

[jaffod]

However, it is a double standard to lend unconditional support to one man and loathe everything the other man does.

One earned that unconditional support, the other hasn't yet. Simple as that. I don't 'loathe' everything Roy has done but atm I have serious reservations about him that worry me greatly.

[Karlton81]

One thing that pleased me about today's games is the way we passed ourselves out of trouble and the nice little triangles we often did.

We passed the ball very well today, a lot less long balls from the back, it was impressive, we just didn't have the killer instinct in the final 3rd, but that will come when the front gel together properly. 

[MidwestWool]

I live in London, so what, why does it matter where someone lives? Never understood this argument. Perhaps I should be supporting Wembley FC...

Not saying that. I'm a wool myself. OOC. But come on, you should show a bit of respect towards a guy who won us the European Cup.

Is that really the Liverpool Way? Well the reaction to Roy Hodgson on these threads does not smack of much respect for a guy who has been our manager only since the summer.

I agree it's pathetic how the pitchforks are out for Hodgson here. Not been a massive fan of him but I will support him through thick and thin, like I did with Rafa. However, you shouldn't post mindless drivel about Rafa. Especially when you are wrong. It comes across as disrespectful.

[silver 5 star]

I'm not trying to turn this into a Roy vs Rafa debate because I love and support both managers. However, it is a double standard to lend unconditional support to one man and loathe everything the other man does.



Precisely why do you love Roy? For his quiff?

Because it can't be for his scintillating football, his trophy haul, his stand up fights with Brasso - breath and the pro-Manc media.

Quiff it is then.

[El Denzel Pepito]

It's quite honestly the most ridiculous thing I've seen written.

Is what I'm thinking.

2004/05 - 5th.
2005/06 - 3rd.
2006/07 - 3rd.
2007/08 - 4th.
2007/09 - 2nd.
2009/10 - 7th.

Definitely been closer to the relegation zone, we have.

[robbie96]

If We can get 4 wins out of 5 with 1 draw and with other results going how I think they will, I have just done that Predictor and This is what I think we could end up with before we play Chelsea

Team            P     GD    PTS

1 Chelsea      10    28    26
2 Arsenal       10    13    21
3 Man UTD     10    10    21
4 Tottenham  10    6     19
5 Man City     10    9     18
6 Birmingham 10    3     18
7 Liverpool     10    3     18
8 Wolves        10    0     15
9 Fulham        10    1     14
10 Bolton       10    0     14
11 Newcastle 10    1     13
12 Blackpool  10   -7     13
13 Sunderland  10   -3     12
14 Stoke       10   -3     10
15 Blackburn   10   -7     8
16 West Brom   10   -11    8
17 Aston Villa 10   -11    7
18 West Ham    10   -12    7
19 Everton     10   -5     6
20 Wigan       10   -15    6

As bad as that looks - I'd take it!

[killer-heels]

Rather than make that bland statement why not back it up with some facts if  you believe that to be the case

Rafa had a season where his team finished closer to the relegation zone than the title winner. We have been plagued with shite starts for most of his term here so saying we are closer to the relegation than the top four is not really new for us, what with our annual out of the title race by October rituals. Guess its just following what has been set before.

[MidwestWool]

Sunderland (H), Blackpool (H), Everton (A), Blackburn (H) and Bolton (A) ... A maximum of 9-10 points there ... After those 5 games, we will still be sitting comfortably in the mid-table ...

I think we can get all 15 and I would be disappointed if we didn't. We'll get more than 9 points tho.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

I'm not trying to turn this into a Roy vs Rafa debate because I love and support both managers. However, it is a double standard to lend unconditional support to one man and loathe everything the other man does.

To be perfectly honest, I am not slating Roy ... I like him and I think that he is doing the job to the best of his abilities ... It is unfair to compare him to the tactical genius of Rafa ... They are simply not on the same level ...

[Twelfth Man]

So we played to deep again and invited pressure on? Crosses came in to easily because no need to go past defenders when playing so deep. Problems defending against aerial threat at the back. Forwards midfield isolated and overwhelmed because of the space, and our lack of space and speed on the wings. Didn't see the game this I presume was part of the problem. So we can expect the defensive line to push up more from now on, try and get some genuine speed on the wings with Babel. Always lots to learn from defeats, onwards and upwards.

[rednich85]

Rafa had a season where his team finished closer to the relegation zone than the title winner. We have been plagued with shite starts for most of his term here so saying we are closer to the relegation than the top four is not really new for us, what with our annual out of the title race by October rituals. Guess its just following what has been set before.

[skidz73]

Rafa had a season where his team finished closer to the relegation zone than the title winner. We have been plagued with shite starts for most of his term here so saying we are closer to the relegation than the top four is not really new for us, what with our annual out of the title race by October rituals. Guess its just following what has been set before.

Was that his first season per chance? And even if that was the case, that hardly counts as 'many' does it?

[Dr Manhattan]

Rafa had a season where his team finished closer to the relegation zone than the title winner.

It was the first season he was here, and points-wise we did finish closer to the relegation zone. Position-wise however, which is what people generally tend to go on and the way in which final placings are awarded since the dawn of time, we were 5th.

You said we "had many" seasons under him where we finished closer to the relegation zone. Even if you meant points-wise you'd be spectacularly wrong, so it's a completely laughable statement.

[Twelfth Man]

Rafa had a season where his team finished closer to the relegation zone than the title winner. We have been plagued with shite starts for most of his term here so saying we are closer to the relegation than the top four is not really new for us, what with our annual out of the title race by October rituals. Guess its just following what has been set before.

No denying for a lot of season's Rafa's teams would only go on a belated run post Xmas.

[YayaP]

I'm not trying to turn this into a Roy vs Rafa debate because I love and support both managers. However, it is a double standard to lend unconditional support to one man and loathe everything the other man does.



Precisely why do you love Roy? For his quiff?

Because it can't be for his scintillating football, his trophy haul, his stand up fights with Brasso - breath and the pro-Manc media.

Quiff it is then.

He's a nice guy and knows his football. He doesn't have a stick up his ass like most managers in this league, and we're fortunate to have him. He has a jovial spirit to him, which is shocking considering the owners and the mess he's put himself in. People talk about Roy as if the enemy, saying he's beneath the standards of the club and somehow plotting against us just like Hicks and Gillette and Purslow. But he took a risk. By taking this job with the owners, he has put his entire managerial reputation on the line. Talk about courageous. Take all the pressure of this job normally, considering the history and the incredible expectations, and double it because of the mess we're in right now. He is taking that on. And all of this, he does with a smile on his face. He's someone all the doom-person that I find irritatingerers on this board should look towards.....keep your head up, we'll get through this. People seem to think if you don't hate the manager and talk in negative terms 24/7 you're somehow not loyal to the club and a ridiculous fan. But hey, maybe I'm just being naive and incredibly optimistic. But I must say, he likes being here, and I like having him here.

He has the balls to take this head on and has said on multiple occasions he wants the cancers out of the club. To be honest, for me at least, if you give it your all and love the club....that's enough for me, because honestly, that's what this club was built on: getting through the worst times by keeping your head down and pushing forward.

[duke8]

You know what, I'm not going to stop going on about Rafa. Fuck all yous who want to moan about it.

We got shot of a fucking amazing manager, a bloke who got us, a bloke who stuck up for us, a bloke who stood up to the pricks we hate, a bloke who stood up to the owners and wouldn't be bullied, and a bloke who took us to within a whisker of the title. A bloke who won us the champions league, made us a fucking terrifying proposition in Europe, a bloke who delivered batterings to the likes of the team we played today and Real Madrid, and you want people to NOT go on about him?!?

Fuck off. He was the mustard. The dogs bollocks. As good as it gets. And we got rid of him after ONE shite season to replace him with a yes man, a lovely old gent who kisses the arse of Ferguson and who has one of the worst records in the league.

No, I won't stop going on about Rafa, and I won't stop comparing the two. If you don't like it that's just tough shite.

my feelings exactly. roy needs to step up or out not believe the shite from the media or board.

[REDbrown]

Agger has been on the danish tv, mildly criticising Roys route one football. He also added that he wouldn't descend into kicking long balls, as its not his style and said that's why he is not chosen to play.

http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/fodbold/udenlandsk_fodbold/engelsk_fodbold/article1414063.ece

[YayaP]

To be perfectly honest, I am not slating Roy ... I like him and I think that he is doing the job to the best of his abilities ... It is unfair to compare him to the tactical genius of Rafa ... They are simply not on the same level ...

agreed.

[hoonin]

you on?

Idiot.

[Aaronb121]

Agger has been on the danish tv, mildly criticising Roys route one football.

Don't blame him either.

[therockbox]

It was the first season he was here,

And what a shite season that was.

[silver 5 star]

Rafa had a season where his team finished closer to the relegation zone than the title winner. We have been plagued with shite starts for most of his term here so saying we are closer to the relegation than the top four is not really new for us, what with our annual out of the title race by October rituals. Guess its just following what has been set before.

We came second the season before last.

If the club wasn't being run by raping, lying carpbaggers we could have spent real money last season and gone on to win the title.

Ironically, if the slimeball yanks had done that, they may have actually got a buyer for the club closer to the daft price they want.

[FranklyRed]

So far, he's really given me little to suggest the change was for footballing reasons, that we got a superior manager in the footballing sense for the 11.5 million quid we spent to upgrade managers. But football's an afterthought.

Business wise, the direction is alarming. The squad is getting older in a hurry due to the age of his recruits and the age of the Rafa-era players that Hodgson has chosen to keep, and the money's running out. We'll have to replace Konchesky, Kuyt, Gerrard, Carra, Maxi, Cole, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Kyrgiakos, and Aurelio within the next 3 years. Even Torres, Meireles and Johnson are the wrong side of 25. Even if this flock of players starts bringing in results, we're gonna be fucked soon. We don't have any Patos or Messis on our team. The youngest player who has a claim to the word "starter" is Lucas, and he's the most picked on member of this team, and I don't expect him to be around for much longer. Insua is gone. Ayala is on loan. Mikel San Jose starts for Bilbao. Two kids were swapped for Konchesky. Nemeth is in Greece. The Riojas bought for 2015 are being popped without any thought to Best Drinking Date.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Great post,
The most worrying part is the aging squad (also because of the transfers and possibly short period Roy will be a manager) and having no funds to replace them ...

[Karlton81]

To be perfectly honest, I am not slating Roy ... I like him and I think that he is doing the job to the best of his abilities ... It is unfair to compare him to the tactical genius of Rafa ... They are simply not on the same level ...

Roy may not have managed at the same level of Rafa, but Rafa, he was here 6 seasons and he ultimately didn't bring us the title, the one we really want, it's unfortunate but the truth. 

So i don't think it can come as much as a surprise that he's no longer here.

[The_Cutter]

Don't blame him either.

Not gonna help him get selected though.