Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023 - archived discussions about what’s offensive

[ScouserAtHeart]

That Alan Smith and Stan Collymore are brain dead. Saying the Gakpo signing proves we shop at Aldi and city shop at Harrods for their players. Our recruitment has been fantastic over the years, shopping at harrods for grealish hahaah they can carry on doing so.

Take that as a compliment

[Ghost Town]

Què?

Knew there was something fawlty about that spelling

[rob1966]

Knew there was something fawlty about that spelling

You just knew one of us Flowery Twats was going to spot it.

[red mongoose]

Daichi Kamada is a tidy player who solves zero problems in our midfield. He’s a proficient 10 who wouldn’t fit our present system. If you’re playing a 10, stick Elliott in there because that’s where he’d actually look his best, should he be surrounded by more legs in midfield than we have.

We desperately need one of your smashing long posts with loads of names and information and recommendations.

[rob1966]

That Alan Smith and Stan Collymore are brain dead. Saying the Gakpo signing proves we shop at Aldi and city shop at Harrods for their players. Our recruitment has been fantastic over the years, shopping at harrods for grealish hahaah they can carry on doing so.

Harrods is full over over-priced tat anyway.

[Chris~]

You want us to replace every single midfielder? Those 3 needs to stay with at least two new ones brought in to replace Ox,Milner and Keita. We need one immediately and one in the summer and they need to be top quality.

And we can pray we're sold as the league has outgrown FSG for the wrong reasons.

I think if we feel we need 2+ new midfielders to be first choice level, we should consider moving at least one of the older, first team ones on. Hanging on to some of the older players hoping they can recapture something is part of how we ended up with a massive squad.

[Fromola]

The last thing we need is anothet decent midfielders. We have the numbers, but we lack top quality.

We need people who can run. More slow players or players with poor fitness records we don't need right now, regardless of technical ability.

[Samie]

We need a midfielder or three who have pace and power first of all.  Playing ability will help but not essential. 

[Coolie High]

If we were being ruthless we'd getting of Fabinho, Henderson and Thiago as they're the ones supposed to be close to their prime, on big money and not performing to a level we need over the young players.

Thiago has been performing close to the level of his prime, and he was just in the PFA team of the year last season.

[Fromola]

Seems pretty clear to me that the Elliott in Midfield experiment is failing or has failed. I’ve said before but if I was picking the team he’d be behind the main three, Keita and Jones for me.

I think his presence in there has a really big impact on making us defensively shite, and as some
Others have said he’s not even producing at the other end. To me he just seems slow, small, weak and very little end product. Maybe he’ll come good at some point and I’ll eat my words, wouldn’t be the first time, but I’d lose no sleep if we didn’t see him in there ever again for Liverpool.

No coincidence that we play how we did last year from January to June and most of the time Elliott never even made the bench.

You can only use Elliott in midfield if a) you've got the runners/workhorses behind and alongside him in the midfield and b) he's producing the kind of numbers in terms of goals/assists/key chances created to justify using him there and building the midfield around him, he's hardly David Silva or De Bruyne though.

No way we can carry him right now given our other options. Bajcetic or Keita should have come in for Fabinho. Had Fabinho played I don't think we'd have been half as hopeless as we were in that first half.

[classycarra]

Find it odd blaming Elliott when we've been awful in midfield with or without him. It's clearly a bigger problem than one player

Indeed, it's just scapegoating. Feel like we're about twenty games worth of examples that it's the complement of our midfielders that has been the issue.

It's not like we need long memories either. We had our three most regular starting midfielders in against Villa (Hendo Thiago Fab) and nobody could say it was a good midfield performance, and Thiago had one of his poorest performances particularly off the ball since he's played for us.

Given Thiago's quality is undoubted (outside of some loons), yet he had such a bad performance alongside our first choice back 8 (except Konate, but Matip is not a newbie) I'd have thought it should be clear that anyone can struggle in our midfield when the trio (or more) are ill equipped to physically compete well enough between them.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Daichi Kamada is a tidy player who solves zero problems in our midfield. He’s a proficient 10 who wouldn’t fit our present system. If you’re playing a 10, stick Elliott in there because that’s where he’d actually look his best, should he be surrounded by more legs in midfield than we have.

Kamada will carry on being good in the Bundesliga and look mediocre to passable if he comes to a top Premier League side. He’s also 27 come the start of next season.

The reason I like Kamada is because I think he has all the tools to be the next No.10 turned No.8 by Jurgen. Unlike Elliott and Carvalho, he is over 6 feet tall, and can contribute with goals from midfield. Anyway, someone will get a decent player on the free in the summer, and it seems he is AC Milan bound ...

[Chris~]

Thiago has been performing close to the level of his prime, and he was just in the PFA team of the year last season.

Thiago looks slower and I don't think he's playing as well as last season, although I'd say it Alisson and maybe Salah is playing as well as they did last year.

Ronaldo was in last year as well, it doesn't mean much for anyone's performance 7+ months later.

There's a lot to look with the team short and long term and I think looking at our more senior midfielders and if they can play at the level we need and paying them for is going to happen next year. if not do we cash in/free up those wages when bringing in players if we won't be expecting 2 or 3 of them not to be playing every week

[Fromola]

Find it odd blaming Elliott when we've been awful in midfield with or without him. It's clearly a bigger problem than one player

It's not about one player, it's about the collective. We've got a very badly assembled midfield, whether it's age profile (mostly 18-21 and not experienced or 30+ with a lot of miles on the clock), fitness issues, lack of pace, lack of athleticism etc etc. If we had two players like Enzo Fernandez and Tchouameni then you could play Elliott in there with them and he'd be effective. There's not really any combination he can be effective with, maybe Fabinho and Thiago as of early last season when we're dominating the ball against weak opponents (i.e. Burnley and Norwich).

The movement isn't great either around him when he does get the ball.

[SamLad]

Thiago looks slower and I don't think he's playing as well as last season, although I'd say it Alisson and maybe Salah is playing as well as they did last year.

Ronaldo was in last year as well, it doesn't mean much for anyone's performance 7+ months later

you didn't see the game on Friday, obviously.  he was a 1-man midfield ffs.

[Fromola]

you didn't see the game on Friday, obviously.  he was a 1-man midfield ffs.

It was the same in 20/21 when he came back in the side. Henderson and Fabinho were at the back/injured and Thiago was basically playing on his own in there and getting criticised when he was the only one doing anything. Fabinho went back in midfield alongside him and we went on a run towards the end of the season. We're more solid with them in there together (but still slow), it's when either are missing we're basically screwed.

[Coolie High]

Thiago looks slower and I don't think he's playing as well as last season, although I'd say it Alisson and maybe Salah is playing as well as they did last year.

Ronaldo was in last year as well, it doesn't mean much for anyone's performance 7+ months later.

There's a lot to look with the team short and long term and I think looking at our more senior midfielders and if they can play at the level we need and paying them for is going to happen next year. if not do we cash in/free up those wages when bringing in players.

Whether he looks slower or not he’s been easily our best midfielder, the last one we should be looking to move on, he’s the only world class midfielder we have based on the last year and a half.

[Tobelius]

We need a midfielder or three who have pace and power first of all.  Playing ability will help but not essential.

Yeah a hard grafting athletic water carrier or 2 who can sniff out danger wouldn't go amiss right now even if they're not technically perfect.

Obviously just simply poor players wouldn't do.

[Dave McCoy]

Someone take away the Bold button from Mac please

[Sangria]

Yeah a hard grafting athletic water carrier or 2 who can sniff out danger wouldn't go amiss right now even if they're not technically perfect.

Obviously just simply poor players wouldn't do.

Has Gomez ever played DM for us in any game, even friendlies?

[Asam]

Some rumours about Juve looking to offload Rabiot and Mckennie,anyone think either of those would work for us?

Nope, whilst there are some very good players at other top clubs who would benefit us i wouldn’t put these two in that category

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Has Gomez ever played DM for us in any game, even friendlies?

It's not an idea I like the sound of.

[Caston]

Sign Enzo Le Fee.

[Aldo1988]

Has Gomez ever played DM for us in any game, even friendlies?

I think passing is probably the weakest part of his game, he's fine as a rb cover, but he should be nowhere near the centre of our midfield.

[RedBec1993]

We’re getting closer to top 4 which is even more incentive to strengthen the midfield area this month.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Someone take away the Bold button from Mac please

Well, I have to use it, since some people are pretending to be dumb, when they are not ...

[Asam]

The worst thing about this season is how city have been below standard and we weren’t ready to take advantage, we should be right in the mix this season but we will be in a top four fight rather than championship challenge

crap planning, decision making and under investment the unholy trinity to blame

[Boaty McBoatface]

What's happened to Bissouma at Spurs? Is Conte not using him properly or was the system at Brighton covering his flaws? Is their system flattering Caicedo too?

[PeterTheRed ...]

The worst thing about this season is how city have been below standard and we weren’t ready to take advantage, we should be right in the mix this season but we will be in a top four fight rather than championship challenge

crap planning, decision making and under investment the unholy trinity to blame

[Asam]

What's happened to Bissouma at Spurs? Is Conte not using him properly or was the system at Brighton covering his flaws? Is their system flattering Caicedo too?

seems to be more of a professionalism/mentality issue

[Asam]

in an mbappe he appears 

[PeterTheRed ...]

What's happened to Bissouma at Spurs? Is Conte not using him properly or was the system at Brighton covering his flaws? Is their system flattering Caicedo too?

To be honest, he was never good enough for the top level of the game ...

[Red_Rich]

The worst thing about this season is how city have been below standard and we weren’t ready to take advantage, we should be right in the mix this season but we will be in a top four fight rather than championship challenge

crap planning, decision making and under investment the unholy trinity to blame

Agreed.  I mean, imagine us going head to head with them at the top and Everton taking points from them?  Annoying.

[cdav]

What's happened to Bissouma at Spurs? Is Conte not using him properly or was the system at Brighton covering his flaws? Is their system flattering Caicedo too?

He is a runner who has gone to a team full of runners when they needed some passers. We have a midfield full of nice players but no runners- we need some athletes

[John C]

Although I was pissed off about Utd winning yesterday I've just allowed myself a glance at the league table for the first time in many months.
It's odd viewing indeed. Although I guess I should have done I didn't realise Arsenal are 6 points ahead and our position isn't quite as bad as I'd wondered.

Hopefully Gakpo is going to help, but we need Jota and Diaz back asap and we really could do with another MF. There's no margin for more slip ups if we want to finish 4th.

[Samie]

Sign Enzo Le Fee.

Never been rumoured for him but we have for Joao Gomes.  If we want to shop in South America.

[Fromola]

The worst thing about this season is how city have been below standard and we weren’t ready to take advantage, we should be right in the mix this season but we will be in a top four fight rather than championship challenge

crap planning, decision making and under investment the unholy trinity to blame

Yeah City very much there for the taking this season but would still be gutting to be sat behind an Arsenal side who've nearly won every game so far, if we were at last season's pace.

Plus City would be more motivated if we were doing well.

What's done is done but we should be doing all we can to get top 4.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Although I was pissed off about Utd winning yesterday I've just allowed myself a glance at the league table for the first time in many months.
It's odd viewing indeed. Although I guess I should have done I didn't realise Arsenal are 6 points ahead and our position isn't quite as bad as I'd wondered.

Hopefully Gakpo is going to help, but we need Jota and Diaz back asap and we really could do with another MF. There's no margin for more slip ups if we want to finish 4th.

If we win on Monday and Arsenal as expected beat Newcastle, we'd be back to looking very good for top 4. I think Newcastle will end up well out of it personally.

[Lone Star Red]

Anyone who has watched him care to say what McKennie is like as a player?

Just saw this on his wiki page



It makes him sound like a bit of a  raw jack of all trades with a high work rate. Know nothing about him so do not have a clue if he would be a good squad player for us or maybe a bit better than a squad player.

He’s a solid box to box midfielder. Quite athletic, will cover every blade of grass, likes to get stuck in, a threat from set pieces with his head and jumping ability. I like him and think he’s Premier League quality, but not quite the quality we should be aiming for to revamp our midfield IMO.

[HardworkDedication]

Romano as usual talking utter bollocks.

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