Topic: FSG discussion thread

[ScouserAtHeart]

well that escalated quickly

[Hazell]

I don;t know how this might play into the takeover thing but the Head of Qatar's World Cup bid and organising committee has said today in a interview that he's a supporter of Liverpool. Might he have the ear of the Qatari bidders or something? 

Imagine those two and Gary Barlow jointly owning the club. Shuddering.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Wonder how much Salah drives the conversation in all this.

[Historical Fool]

The biggest criticism of FSG has been that they don't put in their own money. How is fan ownership gonna be any different?

I’m not saying 100% ownership. Even a 10% stake as previously suggested would be a start?

And the criticism of FSG not investing is stated to be down to their businessmen nature, risk appetite, they’re not fans, they don’t care and they don’t want to win (paraphrasing many posters). Wouldn’t a fan stake obviate all of that, because fans priorities are different from business owners and will be willing to fund to compete.

Edit: also to be clear I’m not saying a conglomerate of fans on RAWK or whatever. Any fan, maybe a wealthy Liverpool fan like some celebrities or consortium of them with means, Dr Dre, Brad Pitt, Gegenpresser, Daniel Craig, Clive Owen, heck John Henry personally, who knows.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Imagine those two and Gary Barlow jointly owning the club. Shuddering.

Who knows how much that twat of a dad earnt off the back of brexit,my guess is that it'd take the average person a whole lot longer than 50yrs to match it.

[Hazell]

Who knows how much that twat of a dad earnt off the back of brexit,my guess is that it'd take the average person a whole lot longer than 50yrs to match it.

But after 50 years, the average person'd start to see the benefit of that right?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I’m not saying 100% ownership. Even a 10% stake as previously suggested would be a start?

And the criticism of FSG not investing is stated to be down to their businessmen nature, risk appetite, they’re not fans, they don’t care and they don’t want to win (paraphrasing many posters). Wouldn’t a fan stake obviate all of that, because fans priorities are different from business owners and will be willing to fund to compete.

So we would just need 300-400m more than they originally bought the club for.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

But after 50 years, the average person'd start to see the benefit of that right?

That's what he said,after the vote obviously.

[Hazell]

That's what he said,after the vote obviously.

I know, what a dick.

[Historical Fool]

So we would just need 300-400m more than they originally bought the club for.

I do not follow your maths.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I do not follow your maths.

Neither do I tbf 

We'd need £200-300m more than they originally bought the club for.

[rob1966]

I’m not saying 100% ownership. Even a 10% stake as previously suggested would be a start?

And the criticism of FSG not investing is stated to be down to their businessmen nature, risk appetite, they’re not fans, they don’t care and they don’t want to win (paraphrasing many posters). Wouldn’t a fan stake obviate all of that, because fans priorities are different from business owners and will be willing to fund to compete.

Edit: also to be clear I’m not saying a conglomerate of fans on RAWK or whatever. Any fan, maybe a wealthy Liverpool fan like some celebrities or consortium of them with means, Dr Dre, Brad Pitt, Gegenpresser, Daniel Craig, Clive Owen, heck John Henry personally, who knows.

No-one other than NESV offered up the £300 million they bought the club for, there was talk of fan ownership, but no-one could raise the money. What makes you think we could suddenly raised £450 million now, or £150 million more than NESV paid for LFC

[Eeyore]

No-one other than NESV offered up the £300 million they bought the club for, there was talk of fan ownership, but no-one could raise the money. What makes you think we could suddenly raised £450 million now, or £150 million more than NESV paid for LFC

Peter Lim actually offered more than NESV.

SOS then offered to raise the funds to pay for the Main Stand redevelopment in return for a stake in the Club. However FSG turned them down.

[Son of Spion]

The blood on his sword proved he was a red, Hamed, Hamed...

[Son of Spion]

In town earlier I spotted a Kuwait registered Porsche heading towards Anfield.

We're doomed. 

[WhereAngelsPlay]

In town earlier I spotted a Kuwait registered Porsche heading towards Anfield.

We're doomed. 

Was it being chased by a Ferrari with Iraqi plates ?

[Stockholm Syndrome]

So....has any news actually come out today?

[farawayred]

Was it being chased by a Ferrari with Iraqi plates ?

Wasn't it one of the Saudi's police Lamborghini?

[Son of Spion]

So....has any news actually come out today?

Apart from my bombshell news about the sighting of a Kuwait registered Porsche being chased by an Iraqi Ferrari and a Saudi police Lamborghini heading towards Anfield, no.

[G Richards]

Peter Lim actually offered more than NESV.

SOS then offered to raise the funds to pay for the Main Stand redevelopment in return for a stake in the Club. However FSG turned them down.

“Offered to raise the funds” is very different to having said funds in hand.

To my mind, fan ownership is a non-starter. Theoretically, having a small stake owned by fans might be possible, but there has been insufficient movement around that, because now that we are up for sale, there is no fan group who has the funds to put down on the table for even a small percentage. If I am wrong on that, I am happy to be corrected. But as far as I know, it has just been talk, and you can’t buy anything with talk. 

One possible way for fans to own a stake might be if FSG accepts a bid from a group that might attract fan protest, but to assuage misgivings, the condition of sale might be to offer up a small percentage, plus fan representation on the board.

This could be FSGs way of leaving with their money, while also tempering fan concerns about the new owner by cementing a permanent seat on the board and an ownership stake too.

As a hypothetical example, let’s say FSG are considering a Qatari group with money to burn. £3 Billion is the price, but it means 5% is owned by fans (worth £150M) plus a seat on the board.

The fan viewpoint would thus be represented at the highest level, permanently, and the deal would offer some scope for cross cultural interaction and opportunities for learning.

[keyop]

The blood on his sword proved he was a red, Hamed, Hamed...

I'll cut your tongue out from your head...

He said, he said...

I keep my slaves tied up in chains,
I beat my wife 'til she’s in pain...

Qatari owners, everything will be fine...

[Boston always unofficial]

Apart from my bombshell news about the sighting of a Kuwait registered Porsche being chased by an Iraqi Ferrari and a Saudi police Lamborghini heading towards Anfield, no.

 
I just saw one of those big fuck off trump type trucks with New Hampshire plates heading vaguely in the direction of Fenway park,make of that what ya will.

[Black Bull Nova]

I can just see the discussion in our new boardroom,

"You know that Journalist in the guardian that does not favour our team, what if he had a little accident"

[Fruity]

“Offered to raise the funds” is very different to having said funds in hand.

To my mind, fan ownership is a non-starter. Theoretically, having a small stake owned by fans might be possible, but there has been insufficient movement around that, because now that we are up for sale, there is no fan group who has the funds to put down on the table for even a small percentage. If I am wrong on that, I am happy to be corrected. But as far as I know, it has just been talk, and you can’t buy anything with talk. 

One possible way for fans to own a stake might be if FSG accepts a bid from a group that might attract fan protest, but to assuage misgivings, the condition of sale might be to offer up a small percentage, plus fan representation on the board.

This could be FSGs way of leaving with their money, while also tempering fan concerns about the new owner by cementing a permanent seat on the board and an ownership stake too.

As a hypothetical example, let’s say FSG are considering a Qatari group with money to burn. £3 Billion is the price, but it means 5% is owned by fans (worth £150M) plus a seat on the board.

The fan viewpoint would thus be represented at the highest level, permanently, and the deal would offer some scope for cross cultural interaction and opportunities for learning.

That's what I would be thinking. It's a starting point.  But with another option of another 5% made available say in 5 years. They get some of their money back and fans increase their ownership. I think it could be done and any buyer is not losing their money and still retains overall control.

If one share costs £100 we would need maximum of a million people to buy one each to get to 100 million. But surely the likes of Stevie G would buy a few thousand worth at once. Shares offered to Season ticket holders first then ex players / staff / managers / rawk members / Bear lovers / LFC forum members then fan card then general public.


As I said before it might be a pipe dream but that's what we should be aiming for.

[west_london_red]

Peter Lim actually offered more than NESV.

SOS then offered to raise the funds to pay for the Main Stand redevelopment in return for a stake in the Club. However FSG turned them down.

That’s Peter Lim who owned a chain of Manchester United themed bars, whose ownership of Valencia has been pretty disappointing to put it mildly, and owns 40% of Salford FC along with Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, the Neville brothers and Butt?

I remember you being a big fan of his once upon a time.

[mattD]

That’s Peter Lim who owned a chain of Manchester United themed bars, whose ownership of Valencia has been pretty disappointing to put it mildly, and owns 40% of Salford FC along with Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, the Neville brothers and Butt?

I remember you being a big fan of his once upon a time.

Make no bones about it, if Lim bought us instead of FSG, we'd still be languishing in mediocrity.

[TepidT2O]

How about Abdulla bin Ahmed Al GHURAIR, he made his money from pasta.

Come on everyone loves pasta.

Pasta is cultural appropriation and thus racist. 

I expected better of you Al.

[mercurial]

Why not donald trump? He has lots of money?

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Why not donald trump? He has lots of money?

Ivanka replace Linda?

[RedSince86]

Make no bones about it, if Lim bought us instead of FSG, we'd still be languishing in mediocrity.

And hired his best mate Gary Neville as manager.

[rob1966]

That’s Peter Lim who owned a chain of Manchester United themed bars, whose ownership of Valencia has been pretty disappointing to put it mildly, and owns 40% of Salford FC along with Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, the Neville brothers and Butt?

I remember you being a big fan of his once upon a time.

His ownership of Valencia has been a bloody disaster - hired Neville as manager ffs. 14 managers in his 8 years there, close tied to Mendes, losses totalling £323 million, quality of playing staff reduced. Thank fuck RBS refused to even listen to his offers.

Oh and he's done nothing to get the half built stadium finished (yes I know it started before his time, but we've redevloped the main and Anny is the same time he's owned Valencia)

[Hazell]

That’s Peter Lim who owned a chain of Manchester United themed bars, whose ownership of Valencia has been pretty disappointing to put it mildly, and owns 40% of Salford FC along with Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, the Neville brothers and Butt?

I remember you being a big fan of his once upon a time.

Lim’s daughter, Kim, caused controversy in July by hitting back at the club’s fanbase on Instagram. “Some Valencia CF fans are scolding and cursing at my family and I,” she wrote in a since-deleted post. “Don’t they get it? The club is ours and we can do anything we want with it … no one can say anything.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/12/pressure-grows-on-valencias-peter-lim-as-francis-coquelin-is-sold-to-villarreal

Thankfully we didn't get him.

[newterp]

Lim’s daughter, Kim, caused controversy in July by hitting back at the club’s fanbase on Instagram. “Some Valencia CF fans are scolding and cursing at my family and I,” she wrote in a since-deleted post. “Don’t they get it? The club is ours and we can do anything we want with it … no one can say anything.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/aug/12/pressure-grows-on-valencias-peter-lim-as-francis-coquelin-is-sold-to-villarreal

Thankfully we didn't get him.

Kim Lim - haha.

[afc tukrish]

Kim Lim - haha.

A very dim and grim Kim Lim

[SamLad]

A very dim and grim Kim Lim

but she is very slim.

[newterp]

but she is very slim.

Turns out she's a him

(That's rumor anyway)

[Historical Fool]

Turns out she's a him

(That's rumor anyway)

Nonsense.

[Wabaloolah]

That's what I would be thinking. It's a starting point.  But with another option of another 5% made available say in 5 years. They get some of their money back and fans increase their ownership. I think it could be done and any buyer is not losing their money and still retains overall control.

If one share costs £100 we would need maximum of a million people to buy one each to get to 100 million. But surely the likes of Stevie G would buy a few thousand worth at once. Shares offered to Season ticket holders first then ex players / staff / managers / rawk members / Bear lovers / LFC forum members then fan card then general public.


As I said before it might be a pipe dream but that's what we should be aiming for.

get it organised then if you think it will work. Pointless talking about it, actions speak louder than words

[keyop]

It may be uncertain times, but at least we're not Juventus...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63785489

9 Serie A titles in a row between 2011 and 2020, but they've gone downhill fast. Their entire board of directors has resigned (including President and owner Andrea Agnelli, and Vice President Patrick Swayze), over an investigation into player registrations, false accounting, and non-existent transactions.

If the Italian police and Football Federation can uncover this (as they did with the Calciopoli scandal), then why can't the likes of City be exposed for things that the general public already know are happening - like fake companies masquerading as sponsorship, dodgy payments, massively inflated player sales figures, and fake revenues to cheat FFP.

The Agnelli family aren't far behind Sheikh Mansour in terms of personal wealth, so clearly no-one is untouchable.

For the good of the game all this cheating and corruption needs exposing soon, before its too late. I live in hope...

[Historical Fool]

It may be uncertain times, but at least we're not Juventus...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63785489

9 Serie A titles in a row between 2011 and 2020, but they've gone downhill fast. Their entire board of directors has resigned (including President and owner Andrea Agnelli, and Vice President Patrick Swayze), over an investigation into player registrations, false accounting, and non-existent transactions.

If the Italian police and Football Federation can uncover this (as they did with the Calciopoli scandal), then why can't the likes of City be exposed for things that the general public already know are happening - like fake companies masquerading as sponsorship, dodgy payments, massively inflated player sales figures, and fake revenues to cheat FFP.

The Agnelli family aren't far behind Sheikh Mansour in terms of personal wealth, so clearly no-one is untouchable.

For the good of the game all this cheating and corruption needs exposing soon, before its too late. I live in hope...

Court process is ongoing, just let it play out in cult I guess