Topic: Trent Alexander-Arnold

[Knight]

No it from all players getting it. Opta has at it .17 which makes sense for a header like 10 yards out where the player reaching for it

I know. But who are the players who most often shoot from 0.17 type places? Forwards. There's this weird idea going around, in quite a few places, that forwards should over perform xG and this is just another example.

[RedG13]

I know. But who are the players who most often shoot from 0.17 type places? Forwards. There's this weird idea going around, in quite a few places, that forwards should over perform xG and this is just another example.

PPL think every big chance=goals when they just not case.

[lionel_messias]

Bradley is currently playing with the fire and commitment that an early Trent had.

I watch him a lot, and he has basically turned into a wannabee Xabi Alonso, with the work rate of Big Jan.

As someone has  said previously I believe we are now playing a style to accommodate him, and its detrimental primarily to Konate, and also to Salah. I honestly cannot remember a game this year or most of last year where Trent was stretching defences for Salah (or himself) to exploit. Bradley is performing that function of bombing up the pitch but doesn't have the delivery/vision/composure of Trent.

I see the benefit of his long passing ability but it really is the opposite of how Mac Allister plays, with his vertical passing. Great to have the options, but probably quite difficult on the forwards.

For me, the bottom line is that were not currently good enough to be having a right back who ranks his defensive duties as second to "his" preferred role as a midfield distributor.

Very insightful post, this.

Hopefully Arne has a new plan. Surely, a key interview question that led to his nabbing the head coach job.

[redbyrdz]

Very insightful post, this.

Hopefully Arne has a new plan. Surely, a key interview question that led to his nabbing the head coach job.

Ive just read that Slot like the right defender to drift into midfield, and to have wingers that bomb up and down the pitch. So I reckon Trent will keep his role, but we'll either play Diaz on the right, or bring in a new right winger, or both. Salah I think doesn't have the energy any more to play that role.

Bradley will continue to swap with Trent.

[Dree]

Now might be the time to say fuck it and get him higher up the pitch entirely. Get Nunez receiving the ball as close to goal as possible. If we think he can be KDB get him in that right hand channel rather than trying to break lines into a 9 with no first touch.

Gomez at RB, Mac and a 6 slightly deeper.

[Knight]

Now might be the time to say fuck it and get him higher up the pitch entirely. Get Nunez receiving the ball as close to goal as possible. If we think he can be KDB get him in that right hand channel rather than trying to break lines into a 9 with no first touch.

Gomez at RB, Mac and a 6 slightly deeper.

Problem is when has he ever shown he can be the type of guy who receives the ball in between the lines like De Bruyne does? He’s never looked like he’s got the skill set to play on the half turn, especially that high up the pitch. He’s always looked most comfortable with the play in front of him.

[SerbianScouser]

Now might be the time to say fuck it and get him higher up the pitch entirely. Get Nunez receiving the ball as close to goal as possible. If we think he can be KDB get him in that right hand channel rather than trying to break lines into a 9 with no first touch.

Gomez at RB, Mac and a 6 slightly deeper.

It has to happen if we ever wanna fully unlock him and hide his weaknesses as much as possible.

[Dree]

Problem is when has he ever shown he can be the type of guy who receives the ball in between the lines like De Bruyne does? He’s never looked like he’s got the skill set to play on the half turn, especially that high up the pitch. He’s always looked most comfortable with the play in front of him.

I think he’s been pretty good at it when inverted especially early on, but also yeah having him wider should afford more space than him at a 6 or 10.

[Bennett]

Elephant in the room... what the fuck is going on with his contract?

[ljycb]

Elephant in the room... what the fuck is going on with his contract?

At this point, he may as well wait and see what the new manager has in store for him, but I have been convinced since last summer that he is running down his contract.

[slotmachine]

Isnt he on 200k a week on his current contract? Does he want 300k to 400k on a new contract?

I dont think he deserves to be on that kind of money. He should be below VVD and Alisson wages wise in my opinion. I dont see FSG offering over 300k a week on TAA next deal. Going to be some fireworks in the summer i think.

[CraigDS]

Isnt he on 200k a week on his current contract? Does he want 300k to 400k on a new contract?

I dont think he deserves to be on that kind of money. He should be below VVD and Alisson wages wise in my opinion. I dont see FSG offering over 300k a week on TAA next deal. Going to be some fireworks in the summer i think.

He's a world class player and deserves a wage to represent that. Was one of our best players this season before picking up an injury.

He's a local lad and that a bargaining chip for him too. And rightly so.

Pay him what it takes and just accept that's what top clubs do to keep their best players, more so for their best local in our case.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Best I can figure, the highest paid full back in the division is Reece James at £250,000/a week followed by Luke Shaw at £250k, Chilwell at £190k and Trent at £180k. I'd be surprised if the club goes any higher than the top end of that given he isn't an automatic first choice at right back or midfield at this point. But then, maybe they'll weigh the likelihood of wages continuing to rise with the possibility he gets better under a new manager.

[HeartAndSoul]

At this point, he may as well wait and see what the new manager has in store for him, but I have been convinced since last summer that he is running down his contract.

Shite any players doing that after everything the club have given them but even worse when it’s a local lad who stops the club getting maximum value for them.

[farawayred]

Elephant in the room... what the fuck is going on with his contract?

I think that's the problem. There is no room left to put a desk and lay the contract on it. They first have to get the elephant out.

[Bangin Them In]

There are enough ordinary players that are not good enough

He is not one

[BTGH]

Is it a crime to be of the opinion that if the right offer comes along in the summer, we should be looking at selling him and using the proceeds to fund the team rebuild.
Yes, his vision and passing are really good and is an offensive weapon for the team. But it seems that he has reached the maximum of his potential,  after many years in the first team, work rate have gone down and defensive frailty don't show any signs of improvement

[spider-neil]

I'm hoping for Bradley at right back with Trent partnered  with a DM in a 2 and Mac in an attacking three behind the main striker.

[TomDcs]

I honestly think there’s something in the Madrid rumours, I hope I’m wrong but just have a feeling he might end up there.

[spider-neil]

I honestly think there’s something in the Madrid rumours, I hope I’m wrong but just have a feeling he might end up there.

Naw. We need to play to his strengths and hide his weaknesses. He is world class and still young. You build around him rather than sell him on.

[ljycb]

Shite any players doing that after everything the club have given them but even worse when it’s a local lad who stops the club getting maximum value for them.

I get where you are coming from, but I think that situations such as this one are a lot trickier than they may seem on the outside. Trent is a local lad, but he could have always had ambitions to play for a Real Madrid or a Barcelona, because a lot of players do. The problem for him could be that he is a homegrown talent in his current team who plays predominantly as a right back, so his price must be significantly higher than near enough all of the other options that the interested clubs would have. If he wanted to fulfil such a dream, then it could be that his only option is to make it happen on a free transfer. What I would say is that the only acceptable course of action if he was to go about things that way would be to communicate early on to the club that he had no intention of signing an extension, thus giving the club more time to sell him before his contract expires. If the club did not know by now and his intention was to leave, then I would completely agree that it is poor from him.

[Draex]

I'd imagine Trent wants to sit down with Slot and work out where he fits into the team, from what I've read about Slot he prefers a much shorter passing game, he actively dislikes long speculative passes so Trent as an inverting right back playing hollywood balls is a thing of the past.

Might just be the reset Trent needs to rediscover his defensive game.

[wemmick]

I'd imagine Trent wants to sit down with Slot and work out where he fits into the team, from what I've read about Slot he prefers a much shorter passing game, he actively dislikes long speculative passes so Trent as an inverting right back playing hollywood balls is a thing of the past.

Might just be the reset Trent needs to rediscover his defensive game.

The shorter passing game is why I think Trent will become one of the three attacking midfielders (probably on the right side) next season, assuming he is here. Feyenoord play plenty of speculative crosses.

[Simplexity]

Any discussion about Trent's future tactically is pointless as long as he has 1 year left on his contract. Is there any possibility that he is NOT running his contract down?

[Draex]

The shorter passing game is why I think Trent will become one of the three attacking midfielders (probably on the right side) next season, assuming he is here. Feyenoord play plenty of speculative crosses.

Yep if one player could adapt to any tactical set up it's Trent.

[Garlicbread]

Getting a new manager might be for the best for Trent. I'm sure Trent loves Klopp to death, but it's all he's known at Liverpool. Maybe a new voice and some ideas could get him reignited a bit.

[redbyrdz]

I'd imagine Trent wants to sit down with Slot and work out where he fits into the team, from what I've read about Slot he prefers a much shorter passing game, he actively dislikes long speculative passes so Trent as an inverting right back playing hollywood balls is a thing of the past.

Might just be the reset Trent needs to rediscover his defensive game.

I wouldn't call Trent's long-range passes 'speculative'. Slot probably hasn't had a player with that passing accuracy before. Also Trent is a clever lad, I'm sure he can adapt.

[spider-neil]

If we didn't have Bradley then I'd advocate that Trent remain at right back but Bradley has been a revelation and it's clear Trent wants to play in the midfield. Trent has been running the game at right back it's now time to run the game from the centre of the pitch.

[mrantarctica]

If we didn't have Bradley then I'd advocate that Trent remain at right back but Bradley has been a revelation and it's clear Trent wants to play in the midfield. Trent has been running the game at right back it's now time to run the game from the centre of the pitch.

Put him alongside a warrior DM, Macca in front of those 2 and could be a good pivot midfield

[JackWard33]

I wouldn't call Trent's long-range passes 'speculative'. Slot probably hasn't had a player with that passing accuracy before. Also Trent is a clever lad, I'm sure he can adapt.

It's really speculative ...

He completes 48% of his long passes (per fbref) .. and he attempts 21 of them a game which is insanely high. 
(For context Virgil hits 9 a game and completes 73% of them)

So half the time .. or 10 times a game.. he's giving up possession - that's as speculative as it gets at the top level
Worth noting its going to be at least partly under instruction to move the ball forward quickly through him .. but his decision making isn't great and/or we've dialled up how what we're expecting him to do too far

[SuperStevieNicol]

Best I can figure, the highest paid full back in the division is Reece James at £250,000/a week followed by Luke Shaw at £250k, Chilwell at £190k and Trent at £180k. I'd be surprised if the club goes any higher than the top end of that given he isn't an automatic first choice at right back or midfield at this point. But then, maybe they'll weigh the likelihood of wages continuing to rise with the possibility he gets better under a new manager.

Eh? You don't think he's an automatic first choice? So if Gomez, Bradley and Trent are all fit and we are in a cup final he might not play? Come on, he's clearly first choice when fully fit. He has only missed games due to injury, he's rarely even been rotated.

[Crosby Nick]

Feels like Trent’s stock has fallen a lot in the last 6 months, most of which he’s been injured or true img from injury.

He got injured just as he was becoming influential again. The tinkering with systems and formation has possibly hindered him in the last couple of years. I get the issues some people have with his willingness to defend but can’t believe anyone would want to see him gone. Players with his ability come along very rarely and we do t want to be sitting here for the next 5 years or more watching him boss it somewhere else wondering why we couldn’t have stayed with us.

[redbyrdz]

It's really speculative ...

He completes 48% of his long passes (per fbref) .. and he attempts 21 of them a game which is insanely high. 
(For context Virgil hits 9 a game and completes 73% of them)

So half the time .. or 10 times a game.. he's giving up possession - that's as speculative as it gets at the top level
Worth noting its going to be at least partly under instruction to move the ball forward quickly through him .. but his decision making isn't great and/or we've dialled up how what we're expecting him to do too far

The receiving player plays a role too. I think the poor completion rate has to do with some of them being very attacking - the ones he drops for the attackers behind the defense. It's still a lot of work for the attackers to get hold of them. In contrast, Virgil's are often switches to a free player on the other side of the pitch. (And I think Virgil's passing ability is underated!)

[Giono]

It's really speculative ...

He completes 48% of his long passes (per fbref) .. and he attempts 21 of them a game which is insanely high. 
(For context Virgil hits 9 a game and completes 73% of them)

So half the time .. or 10 times a game.. he's giving up possession - that's as speculative as it gets at the top level
Worth noting its going to be at least partly under instruction to move the ball forward quickly through him .. but his decision making isn't great and/or we've dialled up how what we're expecting him to do too far

That's quite a comparison between Virg and Trent. Especially as Trent plays in midfield so much. You wouldn't expect him to attempt so many withlots of closer options ahead and beside him.

[paddysour]

He's a world class player and deserves a wage to represent that. Was one of our best players this season before picking up an injury.

He's a local lad and that a bargaining chip for him too. And rightly so.

Pay him what it takes and just accept that's what top clubs do to keep their best players, more so for their best local in our case.

In addition to this he's our VC, and will be captain soon with VVDs age. One of our most talented and unique players, who will be captain soon, and is a local lad - what message does it send if he can't get rewarded at Liverpool?

[amir87]

Feels like Trent’s stock has fallen a lot in the last 6 months, most of which he’s been injured or true img from injury.

He got injured just as he was becoming influential again. The tinkering with systems and formation has possibly hindered him in the last couple of years. I get the issues some people have with his willingness to defend but can’t believe anyone would want to see him gone. Players with his ability come along very rarely and we do t want to be sitting here for the next 5 years or more watching him boss it somewhere else wondering why we couldn’t have stayed with us.

He was arguably the player of the season before he got injured. His leadership in the group was growing and you could tell he was embracing it. Since his injuries, it's all been stop/start and he's come back into a team that looks like it's physically and mentally exhausted. Bet the same people that are fine to see him go will be the ones that moan and complain that we don't have enough creativity and our play is to slow and predictable if he's gone.

I think there is a discussion to be had on where his best position is under new management and that's entirely fair, but to think we're better off without him is insanity.

One of the first and most important thing I hope happens this Summer is we announce a new contract for him.