Topic: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

[duvva 💅]

Xabi probably knows he’ll get time here. To build his own thing. He wouldn’t get that at Madrid.

[jillcwhomever]

I've not watched Xabi's teams play, is it similar to us?

I quite like how Brighton play but is that Brighton's style or de Zerbi's?

I saw a Graham Hunter interview with Adam Lallana talking about de Zerbi and he was absolutely glowing about him. I will see if I can find it and send it to you.

[eyescream]

I think the fact the senior coaching group is also leaving at the same time is an important factor.  Do we know if it's because they have all chosen to go with Klopp (but the club were open to them staying) or because the club know whoever comes in will bring their own team with them?  It's basically ruled out an internal solution, or a solution where the structure stays the same with a different leader added.

I'd like to think the club have already lined up the replacement or are in advanced discussions.  Part of the reason for the announcement was that they didn't want it to break through rumours before an announcement.

My uniformed guess is that the club have already identified the next candidate, have some preliminary agreement and that's why :
1. Klopp made the announcement of his departure.
2. Probably our senior coaching group is leaving because the new manager wants to bring their own staff to the Club.

[reddebs]

I saw a Graham Hunter interview with Adam Lallana talking about de Zerbi and he was absolutely glowing about him. I will see if I can find it and send it to you.

Thanks Jill.

[Butcher Knife Roberto]

Xabi probably knows he’ll get time here. To build his own thing. He wouldn’t get that at Madrid.

This is the biggest selling point of all. Madrid is a circus, and Xabi seems much too focused on the football to have either the time or patience to deal with their politics. As he very well knows, Liverpool by contrast is a family with outstretched, open arms, ready to welcome him home.

[Schmarn]

Xabi’s from the Basque region which is very different from Madrid. Feelings from the Spanish Civil War still run deep in that region so not entirely a surprise that he has a closer affinity to Liverpool.

To this day find it hard to believe we wanted Gareth Barry to replace him. That marked the death of the great 2008/9 team.

[Kloppage Time]

My criteria is:
Not a twat
Doesn’t buy twats

This, whoever it is must fit in with the clubs "DNA".
I think?? Alonso would fit that criteria and strangely enough never believed Gerrard would, back at the start of the Klopp era I think he was happy to see Carra and Gerrard leave the dressing room which at the time was often reported as slightly toxic, the opposite seems to be true now.
This criteria makes it much easier as it rules many would be candidates out fairly quickly

[Sinyoro]

There was a time when Nagelsmann was hot property, don't sleep on this guy

[kop306]

key next steps are what virg and the senior players will say

im guessing we will hear from virg tommorow

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Both paisley and fagan were unproven. Lijnders has had 8 years pretty much working with Klopp and the team. It's been suggested he has a lot of influence over the team and the way we play (sometimes from a negative perspective).  Massive risk I know but remove the romance/history from Xabi and so is he.

Really wish people would stop bringing up Paisley et al to be honest. Football has moved so far on from those days you really cannot compare them or what they did to the current situation and candidates.

There was a time when Nagelsmann was hot property, don't sleep on this guy

I don't think he ever really progressed from his Hoffenheim days. If you look at how naive they were when we played them, Leipzig and Bayern had the same fundamental flaws - only with better players.

[Hoenheim]

I feel that Xabi is at the right age and seems to know his stuff, anyone but him and I'd be disappointed.
The entire fanbase loves him and he loves the club as well, match made in heaven as they say.

[Avens]

I saw a Graham Hunter interview with Adam Lallana talking about de Zerbi and he was absolutely glowing about him. I will see if I can find it and send it to you.

That would be interesting to see. I'll also say I did (in hindsight) like his reaction to Caicedo leaving Brighton. Obviously knew the guy was a money chasing bellend and wasn't impressed with the way he left 

That said, I'm still team Xabi.

[Yorkykopite]

God could you imagine

Ha ha.

[Dim Glas]

 

Nagelsmann should be ruled out purely on account of his wardrobe choices

What kind of c*nt wears shoes without socks

Jűrgen does a lot 

[[new username under construction]]

How many managers did Xabi have at Madrid?

[Legs]

I feel that Xabi is at the right age and seems to know his stuff, anyone but him and I'd be disappointed.
The entire fanbase loves him and he loves the club as well, match made in heaven as they say.

That is where I’m at too I think he is huge favourite for the job and if offered I don’t like he’d reject us.

When you look at all the managers around the world there isn’t many real stand outs EVERYONE is a level below Jurgen.

De Zerbi is an interesting one and he at least have one thing in common with Jurgen he hates PGMOL !

[So… Howard Philips]

The one good thing about when Xabi Alonso left was that it wasnt the usual transfer to Spain, it was more a falling out with Benitez and then the strange Gareth Barry situation. It was different to Mascherano, Suarez, Coutinho, situations. If we were able to get him, which we really should forgetting even the fact he played for us, given how good of a club we are, we should really be able to keep him 5-10 years, which in modern terms is like 25 years.

Wasn’t the fall out with Benitez exacerbated by Rafa not letting Alonso attend the birth of his child?

[Fruity]

Surely Zidane would be up for it?

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Surely Zidane would be up for it?

He can't speak English and has huge question marks as to what he would do without having a team of superstars like he did at Madrid. He never really had a style of play or philosophy?

[shook]

How many managers did Xabi have at Madrid?

Probably helped. There's videos of Mourinho during Alonso's playing career talking about how Xabi was going to make a great coach, partially because of it. Eventually as someone else on here noted, Xabi was managed by Toshack, Benitez, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Guardiola, Aragones. But since he apparently also plays relational football its clear he is studying different managers as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_T1_AYiaQ

[Claire.]

One I've not seen mentioned is Iraola.

Xabi is the obvious one and for sentimental reasons and how much I loved him as a player he'd be my pick, but that's a heart decision and effectively based upon fuck all.

[shook]

Wasn’t the fall out with Benitez exacerbated by Rafa not letting Alonso attend the birth of his child?

yes that's my understanding, so much different type of transfer to Spain

[naka]

Am shocked at people mentioning Ange,
Think he would be an awful manager for us
Watched them last night and saw that from the first corner city piled in on the keeper but he did nothing.
Said to my son city will eventually score from a corner as spurs are too naive .
For me xabi but will first  enjoy winning the quadruple this year

[Agent99]

How many managers did Xabi have at Madrid?

Pellegrini, Mourinho and Ancelotti

[Fruity]

He can't speak English and has huge question marks as to what he would do without having a team of superstars like he did at Madrid. He never really had a style of play or philosophy?

3 Champions league titles and outplayed us a few times. And Mentality monsters that season that beat us in the final.

[frag]

Feel like Alonso is the ideal candidate, with De Zerbi as 2nd. In amongst the sadness of Jurgen leaving, I have had a few moments of excitement about what comes next. Also, I couldn’t imagine how excited likes of Alonso would be to manage this club. We don’t need someone to do what Jurgen did because he did it so well, and has got the team back in track quickly, whoever comes in just needs to have their own style and approach.

[JerseyKloppite]

For me the most interesting names would be Alonso and Deschamps.

Don’t really need to explain the Alonso shout - done amazing things with Leverkusen in a short space of time, both domestically and in Europe. He’s a former red, gets the club, loves the city. First choice.

If not him then I hope we look at Deschamps. Hugely experienced as a player, won a French title with Marseille after taking Juve back to Serie A after the match fixing scandal. Took Monaco to the CL semis too in 2004/5, and has won the WC with France. Was pretty unlucky not to retain it too which is rare and a big challenge.

[jillcwhomever]

Thanks Jill.

That would be interesting to see. I'll also say I did (in hindsight) like his reaction to Caicedo leaving Brighton. Obviously knew the guy was a money chasing bellend and wasn't impressed with the way he left 

That said, I'm still team Xabi.

If you move it to about 40 minutes in. I think it's really interesting this whole interview from Adam, he mentions how DB is bringing out the Spanish part of his play the skills, rather than just the running that he was known for here. He also mentions Macca as well, they were very close. I'd recommend listening to the whole interview it's a quality one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=treIqHyo7Uc&t=1936s&pp=ygUWYWRhbSBsYWxsYW5hIGRlIHplcmJpIA%3D%3D

[The G in Gerrard]

Surely Zidane would be up for it?

No thanks.

[rojo para la vida]

I fucked dry Jan out of the window yesterday for obvious reasons but all that booze gave me bad dreams last night. The worse one, worse than the one about having my teeth pulled out with pliers, was the one with both Hodgson and Southgate in our technical area. That's a nightmare not a dream   

[Claire.]

If not him then I hope we look at Deschamps. Hugely experienced as a player, won a French title with Marseille after taking Juve back to Serie A after the match fixing scandal. Took Monaco to the CL semis too in 2004/5, and has won the WC with France. Was pretty unlucky not to retain it too which is rare and a big challenge.

thinking he might bring Kylian in his carry-on? I could get on board with that

[Sinyoro]

Probably helped. There's videos of Mourinho during Alonso's playing career talking about how Xabi was going to make a great coach, partially because of it. Eventually as someone else on here noted, Xabi was managed by Toshack, Benitez, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Guardiola, Aragones. But since he apparently also plays relational football its clear he is studying different managers as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_T1_AYiaQ

Wow, what a spot on analysis by Mourinho👏🏾

[Crosby Nick]

Wasn’t the fall out with Benitez exacerbated by Rafa not letting Alonso attend the birth of his child?

Pretty sure he did attend. Think he missed our win away at Inter.

Rafa gets a bit of grief for that who Barry saga. Will always have a bit of sympathy for him because all his transfer decisions involved having one hand tied behind his back.

[No666]

Wasn’t the fall out with Benitez exacerbated by Rafa not letting Alonso attend the birth of his child?

IIRC Alonso was Benitez's surrogate captain - the one he relayed instruction to and used to implement tactics - until his wife went into labour and Xabi declined to travel on a European away to be with her. After that, it changed and Xabi was touted around Europe with Barry being said to be the replacement. There was a pre-season match in which the ground reverberated to 'Xabi Alonso' and 'You can stick your Gareth Barry up your arse', which made the supporters' feelings known and the Barry transfer stopped then and there. I think we have a lot of credit in the bank with Xabi at that point. I remember a post-match interview when Torres and Alonso couldn't stop smirking. Still, the experience unsettled him and he remained for only one more, glorious season.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

3 Champions league titles and outplayed us a few times. And Mentality monsters that season that beat us in the final.

The final Zidane beat us in was when Salah got injured and Karius threw two into his net. They then beat us when we were god awful in the Covid season.

Not denying he was very successful - but he knew Madrid, and his tactics seemed to consist of just telling the best players in the World to go out and play. He never had that much success in the league either.

[So… Howard Philips]

Xabi probably knows he’ll get time here. To build his own thing. He wouldn’t get that at Madrid.

And getting the chance to build here is the type of challenge a good young manager should relish.

Alonso seems quite a self contained person and will obviously be a different personality to Klopp - a Paisley to the much more ebullient Shankly.

[SerbianScouser]

What Xabi is doing in Germany as a young coach is sensational.

Frankly I couldn't care less whether he was our player or not, would have wanted him regardless.

[Original]

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.

I'd throw carnys in with that, big hands, stink of cabbage

[kop306]

alonso is probably our second best midfielder in the premier league era after stevie g

[Legs]

I fucked dry Jan out of the window yesterday for obvious reasons but all that booze gave me bad dreams last night. The worse one, worse than the one about having my teeth pulled out with pliers, was the one with both Hodgson and Southgate in our technical area. That's a nightmare not a dream   

Well at least you didn’t add Tindall to the mix so not all bad I guess 😳