Topic: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)

[classycarra]

15 league goals in 20 months but not 1 away from home. Something he needs to work on

He'll score more when we start turning up away from home more. His form in away matches hasn't been poor.

[Cormack Snr]

Another dutchman we had was a man for the big occasion. Let's hope Gini goes onto to be as deadly as Dirk was for us.

Dirk played well in 9-10 games and gave his all in every game , our latest Dutchman is nearer a 3-10 at best ..

[Buck Pete]

Dirk played well in 9-10 games and gave his all in every game , our latest Dutchman is nearer a 3-10 at best ..

Is Cormack Jnr as miserable as you?

[classycarra]

Dirk played well in 9-10 games and gave his all in every game , our latest Dutchman is nearer a 3-10 at best ..

Played well? If you're saying played to a reasonable standard, then I agree 9 out of 10 games for Kuyt. Would say Gini is at about 9 out of 10 too. Oh and he also gives his all in every game.

[Tony19:6]

Dirk played well in 9-10 games and gave his all in every game , our latest Dutchman is nearer a 3-10 at best ..

Agree Kuyt worked far harder than this guy.

I think he's got it in him to play much better than he's shown in a red shirt.

Continues to be Mr risk averse.

[Zlen]

Straight from Maxi Rodriguez school of popping up late to score.

[FlashGordon]

Agree Kuyt worked far harder than this guy.

I think he's got it in him to play much better than he's shown in a red shirt.

Continues to be Mr risk averse.

Yeah he was really risk averse busting his balls to get in to the box in injury time yesterday?

[classycarra]

Yeah he was really risk averse busting his balls to get in to the box in injury time yesterday?

At 2-1 in a tight finish to the game too. Such a boring, incorrect, agenda driven comment.

[FlashGordon]

At 2-1 in a tight finish to the game too. Such a boring, incorrect, agenda driven comment.

It's almost as if he has pre-conceived notions that can't be changed 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Kuyt was a big game player, scored important goals in big matches. If Gini can replicate half of that, he would have done well.

[stockdam]

Watch how he gives everything he has to sprint through the Arsenal defence for the third goal. If that's not commitment then I don't know what is.

[classycarra]

Kuyt was a big game player, scored important goals in big matches. If Gini can replicate half of that, he would have done well.

He could do well, even if he doesn't replicate half of that. Kuyt was a striker, who also played as a Forward on the right. Gini plays deeper in midfield. Entirely different roles and requirements

[deFacto please, you bastards]

He could do well, even if he doesn't replicate half of that. Kuyt was a striker, who also played as a Forward on the right. Gini plays deeper in midfield. Entirely different roles and requirements

I agree, half was just a throwaway comment, if I had said 3/4th's would that have been better for you? It's quite bleeding obvious they play in different positions, i'm not comparing the two.

[classycarra]

I agree, half was just a throwaway comment, if I had said 3/4th's would that have been better for you? It's quite bleeding obvious they play in different positions, i'm not comparing the two.

Relax man. Didn't even disagree with you, just added to your comment. Mostly for the sake of  defending Gini against arbitrary criticism from some miserable and agenda following posters

[DanA]

That's 4 goals he's been involved in (scored or assisted) in his last six games. He was always playing pretty well but now it comes without the caveat of "he should be creating/scoring more goals though".

Made up for the lad and it's starting to look like a shrewd bit of business.

[Redman78]

Dirk played well in 9-10 games and gave his all in every game , our latest Dutchman is nearer a 3-10 at best ..

Bit like your posts

[paulrazor]

Kuyt is a completely different style of player

i dont think wijnaldum has been in his favoured position. he is more attacking. he is used in a more withdrawn role for us but it does seem to work.

rapidly becoming my favorite player.

[Souness1]

Kuyt is a completely different style of player

i dont think wijnaldum has been in his favoured position. he is more attacking. he is used in a more withdrawn role for us but it does seem to work.

rapidly becoming my favorite player.

He played in a similar position (as us) for PSV and the national team didn't he? I thought him playing further forward at Newcastle wasn't the norm of his career.

[paulrazor]

He played in a similar position (as us) for PSV and the national team didn't he? I thought him playing further forward at Newcastle wasn't the norm of his career.

was it?

i can only base it on newcastle to be honest

[cricketrocks]

I agree, half was just a throwaway comment, if I had said 3/4th's would that have been better for you? It's quite bleeding obvious they play in different positions, i'm not comparing the two.

3/4 is more than half. You're welcome. 

[fowlermagic]

He is struggling somewhat to replicate his Newcastle form in terms of goal scoring and honestly never really seen much of him last season as was not in the mood to watch a relegated side play on TV. A full preseason under Klopp may bring the best out of him yet but if Jurgen is looking to improve on CM this summer then out of Lallana, Henderson and Wijnaldum, Gino may be the one under the most pressure of our current CM starters when all fit. Will be interesting to see how it all works out as I wont say no to a class CM addition and having the likes of Wijnaldum & Can on the bench or fighting for a start.

[Souness1]

was it?

i can only base it on newcastle to be honest

yeah pretty sure he played in the position he is now for PSV.

[NaivetyinBlack]

He played in a similar position (as us) for PSV and the national team didn't he?

He did.

Thing with Dutchmen is, they are coached from early childhood to be versatile when they're coming up the youth ranks at a club like PSV. So Gini has formed his game on being able to play almost all outfield positions. He mostly played as a CM though and made that position his own at PSV. Newcastle was weird because he played almost as a second striker and on the wings. It improved his goals tally but completely threw off his overall game.

I still feel that he is deliberately constraining himself. Whether it's just a fear of leaving the midfield unprotected, or instructions from Jurgen, I don't know.

[Souness1]

He did.

Thing with Dutchmen is, they are coached from early childhood to be versatile when they're coming up the youth ranks at a club like PSV. So Gini has formed his game on being able to play almost all outfield positions. He mostly played as a CM though and made that position his own at PSV. Newcastle was weird because he played almost as a second striker and on the wings. It improved his goals tally but completely threw off his overall game.

I still feel that he is deliberately constraining himself. Whether it's just a fear of leaving the midfield unprotected, or instructions from Jurgen, I don't know.

Yeah I remember reading about him when he signed for Newcastle about how he dominated the dutch league from central midfield. I think United, Napoli and Spurs were linked with him the same summer so I always had a good impression of him without actually watching him that much. Mclaren must not have trusted him in midfield for Newcastle and thus put him further forward where he was inconsistent so I think a lot of fans opinion of him was he was just another attacking midfielder that we might not need. If we had signed him straight from PSV rather than via Newcastle I think he would be rated a lot higher by people not connected with us.

[Schmidt]

He is struggling somewhat to replicate his Newcastle form in terms of goal scoring and honestly never really seen much of him last season as was not in the mood to watch a relegated side play on TV. A full preseason under Klopp may bring the best out of him yet but if Jurgen is looking to improve on CM this summer then out of Lallana, Henderson and Wijnaldum, Gino may be the one under the most pressure of our current CM starters when all fit. Will be interesting to see how it all works out as I wont say no to a class CM addition and having the likes of Wijnaldum & Can on the bench or fighting for a start.

At Newcastle he was playing really high up the pitch and had a lot of space to run into, with us he's playing deeper and often against packed defences so it'll be hard for him to score as much. He's more an Allen type player for us, someone to move the ball up the pitch and occasionally chip in with goals, so I wouldn't expect him to replicate his Newcastle numbers. He has been a little hesitant to commit forward for us at times but then considering how often the worst teams in this league have been hitting us on the counter it's probably understandable that he leaves that aspect of the game to the front four.

I don't think he's especially under pressure right now unless we find an unreal talent who fits his position, the biggest issue with our midfield isn't the quality of the first choice players it's the lack of depth.

[Funky_Gibbons]

He is struggling somewhat to replicate his Newcastle form in terms of goal scoring and honestly never really seen much of him last season as was not in the mood to watch a relegated side play on TV. A full preseason under Klopp may bring the best out of him yet but if Jurgen is looking to improve on CM this summer then out of Lallana, Henderson and Wijnaldum, Gino may be the one under the most pressure of our current CM starters when all fit. Will be interesting to see how it all works out as I wont say no to a class CM addition and having the likes of Wijnaldum & Can on the bench or fighting for a start.

That should be the aim, signing better players and pushing current first team players down to the bench, improve the first team and depth.

Wijnaldum is a bit like Firmino for me, you’d want him in the team against our top six rivals as their workrate shines in those games and they excel in games where they have more space to operate, but you wonder whether they do enough in the games against the midtable and lower teams.

In those games I’d like someone in midfield who can dribble more and have greater creativity in midfield. I’ll be disappointed if we don’t try Lallana and Coutinho against lower table opposition at least once before the end of the season. 

[fowlermagic]

At Newcastle he was playing really high up the pitch and had a lot of space to run into, with us he's playing deeper and often against packed defences so it'll be hard for him to score as much. He's more an Allen type player for us, someone to move the ball up the pitch and occasionally chip in with goals, so I wouldn't expect him to replicate his Newcastle numbers. He has been a little hesitant to commit forward for us at times but then considering how often the worst teams in this league have been hitting us on the counter it's probably understandable that he leaves that aspect of the game to the front four.

I don't think he's especially under pressure right now unless we find an unreal talent who fits his position, the biggest issue with our midfield isn't the quality of the first choice players it's the lack of depth.

Our lack of depth has cost us this season and will even hurt us more next if we want to challenge on two fronts, league & CL. Right now we would be a fish out of water in the CL so hoping we can add 3 or 4 potential starters to our first 11 ...this will naturally increase our depth and have to think one of those potential starters slots will be CM as the other positions could be goalie, left back, central defence and leading striker role. Shyte as I typed all that I start to wonder how are we challenging for Top 4 with 3 or 4 positions not quite right this season.

Anyway getting back to Ginio his first season has been hit n miss. Brought in as an upgrade on Allen but so far has even struggled to do that and lets be honest Allen's whole period with the club was a promise of more but struggled for consistency. Players have to be given at least two full seasons to show some worth so not too troubled yet about the lad as he has huge room for improvements and has shown his quality at other clubs. Thing is we all know how that quality sometimes get lost when given a chance to shine at Liverpool....like Allen before him, who looks a class act again like he did at Swansea but got blinded a little when asked to do the same role for a club who wants honours.

[nico 8]

At Newcastle he was playing really high up the pitch and had a lot of space to run into, with us he's playing deeper and often against packed defences so it'll be hard for him to score as much. He's more an Allen type player for us, someone to move the ball up the pitch and occasionally chip in with goals, so I wouldn't expect him to replicate his Newcastle numbers. He has been a little hesitant to commit forward for us at times but then considering how often the worst teams in this league have been hitting us on the counter it's probably understandable that he leaves that aspect of the game to the front four.

I don't think he's especially under pressure right now unless we find an unreal talent who fits his position, the biggest issue with our midfield isn't the quality of the first choice players it's the lack of depth.

Agreed.
I seriously believe that he is underrated. He will get better  and be more consistent the more he becomes a regular first choice. He reminds me of Ronnie Whelan in the sense that he quietly gets on with his job and is only missed or noticed when he is not playing.

[Schmidt]

Our lack of depth has cost us this season and will even hurt us more next if we want to challenge on two fronts, league & CL. Right now we would be a fish out of water in the CL so hoping we can add 3 or 4 potential starters to our first 11 ...this will naturally increase our depth and have to think one of those potential starters slots will be CM as the other positions could be goalie, left back, central defence and leading striker role. Shyte as I typed all that I start to wonder how are we challenging for Top 4 with 3 or 4 positions not quite right this season.

Anyway getting back to Ginio his first season has been hit n miss. Brought in as an upgrade on Allen but so far has even struggled to do that and lets be honest Allen's whole period with the club was a promise of more but struggled for consistency. Players have to be given at least two full seasons to show some worth so not too troubled yet about the lad as he has huge room for improvements and has shown his quality at other clubs. Thing is we all know how that quality sometimes get lost when given a chance to shine at Liverpool....like Allen before him, who looks a class act again like he did at Swansea but got blinded a little when asked to do the same role for a club who wants honours.

I don't buy this whole "we need to buy players better than our starters" thing to be honest, it's just not how it works especially for a club apparently focused on buying young talent. We desperately need depth in the Lallana position for example but no way do I see us going out and buying someone to replace him in the starting line-up, he's seemingly an important trigger in our system and a replacement would need time to grow into that role.

Instead of thinking "who should we replace?" we should be thinking "what is the squad currently lacking?". In some cases like left back the answer might be a regular starter who can stretch play, in other cases like right wing it might be a quick player who can fill in for Mane adequately and occasionally start on the left.

[Giono]

He is struggling somewhat to replicate his Newcastle form in terms of goal scoring and honestly never really seen much of him last season as was not in the mood to watch a relegated side play on TV. A full preseason under Klopp may bring the best out of him yet but if Jurgen is looking to improve on CM this summer then out of Lallana, Henderson and Wijnaldum, Gino may be the one under the most pressure of our current CM starters when all fit. Will be interesting to see how it all works out as I wont say no to a class CM addition and having the likes of Wijnaldum & Can on the bench or fighting for a start.

You take it for granted that Henderson is not vulnerable? I think he is. And you think Gini is vulnerable to spending next season on the bench? What gives you that idea?

Klopp bought Gini. He paid a steep fee (fees he doesn't like to pay) for a purpose and has started him in almost all matches. He wasn't bought for the bench.

Henderson was able to have a run in the midfield in the deepest position when Can was injured at the start of the season. It has worked out ok, but that position could be improved upon. He is vulnerable to being made a generalist squad player that fills in around the midfield.

You are disappointed that Gini is not scoring at the same rate as last season? He wasn't playing the same position at Newcastle. Klopp brought him here to play a different, more critical, role...in the midfield.
 

[El Lobo]

You take it for granted that Henderson is not vulnerable? I think he is. And you think Gini is vulnerable to spending next season on the bench? What gives you that idea?

Klopp bought Gini. He paid a steep fee (fees he doesn't like to pay) for a purpose and has started him in almost all matches. He wasn't bought for the bench.

Henderson was able to have a run in the midfield in the deepest position when Can was injured at the start of the season. It has worked out ok, but that position could be improved upon. He is vulnerable to being made a generalist squad player that fills in around the midfield.

You are disappointed that Gini is not scoring at the same rate as last season? He wasn't playing the same position at Newcastle. Klopp brought him here to play a different, more critical, role...in the midfield.

I don't think either of them are vulnerable to be honest, but Henderson is captain and has literally always played when he's been fit (and captained the side). That's quite some leap to suggest his place in the side is under threat remotely, or that he only had a run in the team because Can was injured. They've both played there and Hendo is very obviously superior.

[Redman78]

I don't know how anyone can say with any certainty, that come next season, any player, other than Mane, Coutinho and Matip, won't be vulnerable.  If they don't perform, their position will be under threat, as it should be, if we envisige having a squad capable of challenging.

[Giono]

I don't think either of them are vulnerable to be honest, but Henderson is captain and has literally always played when he's been fit (and captained the side). That's quite some leap to suggest his place in the side is under threat remotely, or that he only had a run in the team because Can was injured. They've both played there and Hendo is very obviously superior.

Milner is the vice-captain and wears the armband every time that Hendo is out. Does that make him less vulnerable next season when we go out and buy a better left back?

If we get a new DM that can turn, pass and start attacks better next season...where do you see Hendo playing every week? He could play every week, but maybe not in the same position all the time?

I don't think the armband is an insurance policy in Klopp's world.

[amirani]

Kuyt was a big game player, scored important goals in big matches. If Gini can replicate half of that, he would have done well.

Kuyt was a forward, Gini is a midfielder. I don't understand the comparison. Also, Gini has scored against Arsenal, Chelsea, City and has an assist against Arsenal and Spurs.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Kuyt was a forward, Gini is a midfielder. I don't understand the comparison. Also, Gini has scored against Arsenal, Chelsea, City and has an assist against Arsenal and Spurs.

if your arsed enough to quote me, then go read the posts that follow that one.

im not comparing the two, Im not critisizing Gini,  if you had the rest you would have known that

[deFacto please, you bastards]

3/4 is more than half. You're welcome. 

i know, I was taking the piss.

[Lycan]

Dirk played well in 9-10 games and gave his all in every game , our latest Dutchman is nearer a 3-10 at best ..

Sorry I disagree with you. Very harsh on Gini that.

[fowlermagic]

You take it for granted that Henderson is not vulnerable? I think he is. And you think Gini is vulnerable to spending next season on the bench? What gives you that idea?

Klopp bought Gini. He paid a steep fee (fees he doesn't like to pay) for a purpose and has started him in almost all matches. He wasn't bought for the bench.

Henderson was able to have a run in the midfield in the deepest position when Can was injured at the start of the season. It has worked out ok, but that position could be improved upon. He is vulnerable to being made a generalist squad player that fills in around the midfield.

You are disappointed that Gini is not scoring at the same rate as last season? He wasn't playing the same position at Newcastle. Klopp brought him here to play a different, more critical, role...in the midfield.
 

Honestly no one is really safe in the team if they repeat that Leicester performance too often from here to May as I don't think Klopp will take that shyte too often. Who knows whats going to happen but I do know a big transfer fee does not guarantee a long term future at Liverpool as you only have to look at how long some of our recent big buys have lasted here.

I am a little disappointed in our CM this season ....esp with their consistency as there has been too many games where they have not controlled the tempo. As I said the lad can show his true colours next season and he like Henderson & Co will have to raise their game/consistency again if they want to start winning medals here.

[Dim Glas]

Dirk played well in 9-10 games and gave his all in every game , our latest Dutchman is nearer a 3-10 at best ..

absolute rubbish that.

Gini has been one of our most consistant players this season, playing well more often than not.

I still can't believe at this stage of the season, that some fans still don't get that he played in a completely different position at Newcastle, where he was in a far more attacking role. Is there a reason that gets ignored when talking about goals? It's wierd.

[sminp]

He's brilliant, one of my favourite players