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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #160 on: October 28, 2023, 07:41:24 am »
Spurs on +2 now. Just keep winning reds....
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #161 on: October 28, 2023, 02:42:00 pm »
Think Chelsea are on -16 after only 10 games 🤣🤣

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #162 on: October 28, 2023, 02:58:42 pm »
Think Chelsea are on -16 after only 10 games 🤣🤣
And they’ve had such an easy schedule!

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #163 on: October 29, 2023, 05:23:37 pm »
As you were this weekend apart from Chelsea. Man City with the chance to close the gap next weekend.
Too easy for City.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #164 on: October 30, 2023, 06:23:40 pm »





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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #165 on: October 30, 2023, 07:36:51 pm »
Thanks Prof.

Three teams still in the 90s....
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #166 on: October 31, 2023, 09:23:50 am »
Thanks Prof, much appreciated

Also Villa are on -2 by my calculations.

Lost to us and Newcastle away, so -4. But beat Chelsea away so up to -2. Won all their par 3s and drew away to Wolves.


Villa on 0. Losing to us and Newcastle is minus 2. Beat Chelsea +2.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #167 on: October 31, 2023, 11:02:54 am »
Thanks Prof, much appreciated

Also Villa are on -2 by my calculations.

Lost to us and Newcastle away, so -4. But beat Chelsea away so up to -2. Won all their par 3s and drew away to Wolves.

Us and Newcastle away were par 1, so it would be 0 in total, I think. Certainly doing very well, wouldn't mind them taking the fifth CL place ahead of Newcastle or Utd if England get a fifth place.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #168 on: October 31, 2023, 11:14:39 am »
Us and Newcastle away were par 1, so it would be 0 in total, I think. Certainly doing very well, wouldn't mind them taking the fifth CL place ahead of Newcastle or Utd if England get a fifth place.

Sorry yeah you are correct. Will amend my post
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #169 on: October 31, 2023, 12:03:15 pm »
Thanks Prof.

Three teams still in the 90s....

Villa technically also in the 90s, perfect home form and only away losses to Newcastle and Liverpool.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #170 on: November 2, 2023, 01:46:23 pm »
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #171 on: November 2, 2023, 04:31:22 pm »
Was looking at the league table just now ... we should be top of the league. That's the significance of the referees' Luis Diaz goal fuck up against Spurs.

Simply speaking, if the referees had remembered how to award a goal (dumb dumb fucks) ... if it was 2-2 final result then you'd have 4 teams on 24 points and we'd be top on goal difference.

That's of course putting aside how we've been rodgered up the arse by referees all season, and had everyone sent off at least 3 times. We all know we'd have probably won the Spurs game if the referees hadn't been so catastrophically idiotic and incompetent.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #172 on: November 2, 2023, 06:53:05 pm »
Arsenal play Newcaslte away as par 1, they may gain +2 by the end of the weekend. Spurs have Chelsea at home, par 3, but Chelsea are pathetic.

We'll probably draw at Luton...
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #173 on: November 4, 2023, 11:26:58 pm »
Arsenal on -3 now

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #174 on: November 5, 2023, 09:28:54 am »
Arsenal play Newcaslte away as par 1, they may gain +2 by the end of the weekend. Spurs have Chelsea at home, par 3, but Chelsea are pathetic.

We'll probably draw at Luton...

We'll be lucky if we come away with a point from Fortress Kenilworth.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #175 on: November 5, 2023, 06:31:43 pm »
We'll be lucky if we come away with a point from Fortress Kenilworth.

For fuck's sake, does the law of mockers not apply in here anymore???
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #176 on: November 5, 2023, 06:36:06 pm »
For fuck's sake, does the law of mockers not apply in here anymore???
Fuck, I won't try either mockers or reverse mockers anymore this season...
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #177 on: November 5, 2023, 06:49:30 pm »
Need a spurs draw or defeat now to stay top

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #178 on: November 6, 2023, 10:33:32 pm »
Well. We are still top......
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #179 on: November 6, 2023, 11:50:26 pm »
Need a spurs draw or defeat now to stay top

Tottenham on -1 now :)

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #180 on: November 7, 2023, 12:29:35 am »
On the downside, Chelsea are now only -15.

Their line will be back on the graph by the start of next season at this rate.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #181 on: November 7, 2023, 01:07:37 am »
On the downside, Chelsea are now only -15.

Chelsea are -14

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #182 on: November 7, 2023, 01:43:41 am »
Its shaping up to be a pretty interesting season.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #183 on: November 7, 2023, 02:49:33 am »
Chelsea are -14

Oh, you’re one of those.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #184 on: November 12, 2023, 07:12:32 pm »
Still top , city had a chance to increase by 2 but only played to par win the next game and it’s a five point in our favour

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #186 on: November 13, 2023, 10:00:00 pm »
Thanks Prof
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #187 on: November 14, 2023, 01:46:05 am »
Looks like the top four are getting sorted out unless the Spurs capitulate later on.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #188 on: November 14, 2023, 08:27:09 am »
Looks like the top four are getting sorted out unless the Spurs capitulate later on.

Don't forget Villa
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #189 on: November 14, 2023, 08:46:25 am »
Looks like the top four are getting sorted out unless the Spurs capitulate later on.

There is also Villa, who by my count are on -5 currently

They may drop off in the next 4 games though, as they have:
Spurs A
Bournemouth A
Man City H
Arsenal H

Spurs have:
Villa H
Man City A
West Ham H
Newcastle H


That does mean Abu Dhabi's next 3 are Liverpool H, Spurs H, Villa A. Would be nice to see them take nothing at all from those 3!

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #190 on: November 15, 2023, 11:19:00 am »
So after the next games we are basically a 1/3 through the season.

There are 12 par 1s a season. So after 1/3 everyone has played:

Liverpool 6
City 4
Arsenal 4
Spurs 4
Villa 4
United 3
Chelsea 3
Newcastle 3

As long as we avoid stupid dropped points like Luton, then we are in a fantastic position here
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #191 on: November 16, 2023, 12:46:25 am »
There is also Villa, who by my count are on -5 currently

They also beat Chelsea away so they're on -3

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #192 on: November 25, 2023, 02:34:14 pm »
Stay on plus one with the draw , city drop two points 😀 the ATPL shows the importance of the result

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #193 on: November 25, 2023, 08:30:04 pm »
Arsenal jump back to -1. So the real table shows a 2 point lead for them over us but the APLT shows us in front by 2...
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #194 on: November 26, 2023, 04:37:16 am »
So after the next games we are basically a 1/3 through the season.

There are 12 par 1s a season. So after 1/3 everyone has played:

Liverpool 6
City 4
Arsenal 4
Spurs 4
Villa 4
United 3
Chelsea 3
Newcastle 3

As long as we avoid stupid dropped points like Luton, then we are in a fantastic position here

That to me is indicative of a side that is still trying to find a winning mentality.  Great sides understand the danger of a perceived "easy game" and snuff out the complacency in their mind.  A newly minted side like ours isn't there yet, but that will come.  Unlikely it comes this season however, so likely we fall short this season.

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« Reply #195 on: November 26, 2023, 07:16:07 am »
That to me is indicative of a side that is still trying to find a winning mentality.  Great sides understand the danger of a perceived "easy game" and snuff out the complacency in their mind.  A newly minted side like ours isn't there yet, but that will come.  Unlikely it comes this season however, so likely we fall short this season.

I think it'll all come down to injuries and how many we can avoid.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #196 on: November 26, 2023, 07:20:23 am »
I think it'll all come down to injuries and how many we can avoid.

I dunno, I think we could end up very 'lucky' with injuries across the whole season and still fall short. I think we probably challenge properly with a kind injury list but actually winning it it still a very tall order and injuries won't be the only thing that decides it.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #197 on: November 26, 2023, 08:02:10 am »
I think other teams are just as likely to take results for granted as us. The difference is we're more likely to take a lesson like Luton to heart in-season.
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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #198 on: November 26, 2023, 11:35:27 am »
I'm as frustrated with results we get like the Luton away as much as anyone, but one thing I've become more certain of over the years of tracking the APLT model, is that results like that aren't the key determinate of a season.

We all know football is a low scoring sport with small margins that make a big impact.  Away from home to a newly promoted side, under the lights, with nothing to lose and their fans buoyant will sometimes not go our way.  The model for the APLT is based on the importance of winning at home and picking up enough points away from home to get to the 90 point mark.  In the past winning all home games and drawing all aways was enough, now you need a bit more.

The other things I've stood by over the years is that predicting where you can pick up your extra points away from home is very difficult.  Some matches fall at good times (injuries, suspensions and poor form of the opposition) or bad times (e.g. 12.30 kick offs after the international breaks).

We're ahead of where we need to be at this stage because we've done better than the model overall.  Let's not focus anymore on Luton away and look at the spirit this team has already shown to win at Newcastle when the odds were stacked against us, and nearly get a point at spurs when pretty much everything went against us.

Yesterday came at a good time for us.  12.30 kick offs are horrible and first game after International breaks make it even worse.  It meant neither team was quite on it and the fans were subdued which gave us the conditions to get a good point for us and hurt them with dropped home points.

We need to make our very good start count now and that comes with building a strong record at home.  We will drop more points on the road, no doubt, where and when, I have no idea, but at Anfield, let's make sure we make those points ours.

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Re: The Alternative Premier League Table 2023-24
« Reply #199 on: November 26, 2023, 04:07:09 pm »
Do we need to add Villa? Haha.  ;D