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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5720 on: March 26, 2024, 01:34:32 pm »
Graham Hunter's article fails when he keeps making out Madrid is "Home" for Xabi. Real Madrid has never been his home. In fact I;d say he has more of a relatioship with us outside any of his other clubs bar Sociedad.  ;D

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5721 on: March 26, 2024, 02:16:23 pm »
Im still not having this Madrid being the desired outcome. Its a shite job.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5722 on: March 26, 2024, 02:19:10 pm »
There might be a new name emerging; Arteta might have won something.




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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5723 on: March 26, 2024, 02:44:55 pm »
Shudder to think how many months of this shite we’re going to have to go through before we appoint someone. I definitely don’t have the stomach for it and will ban myself from this thread once the season over and this shit really ramps up.
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« Reply #5724 on: March 26, 2024, 02:46:14 pm »
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5725 on: March 26, 2024, 02:52:22 pm »
Shudder to think how many months of this shite we’re going to have to go through before we appoint someone. I definitely don’t have the stomach for it and will ban myself from this thread once the season over and this shit really ramps up.


It's been getting harder and harder in this thread of uninformed speculation but the moment Richard Keys got involved I thought that this might be the week to leave it until the "LFC manager news (no speculation or shite)" thread starts
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5726 on: March 26, 2024, 03:30:25 pm »
Doesn`t look mutual

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5727 on: March 26, 2024, 03:51:16 pm »
Graham Hunter's article fails when he keeps making out Madrid is "Home" for Xabi. Real Madrid has never been his home. In fact I;d say he has more of a relatioship with us outside any of his other clubs bar Sociedad.  ;D
It’s the massive fatal flaw in his entire argument. As is the suggestion Perez has been playing the long game, not to mention the glaring omission that Madrid already offered him the fast track Zidane route after he used their academy to get his UEFA Pro license, and he turned it down flat. Just as 5 years earlier, he turned down an extension to his playing contract to (as he openly admitted) play under Guardiola at Bayern. He’s got no real emotional ties to the Bernabeu.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5728 on: March 26, 2024, 03:54:01 pm »
Just seen this story in my news feed:

"Glen Johnson insists Liverpool shouldn’t rule out making England boss Gareth Southgate their new manager in the summer amid links to rivals Man Utd."

He never was the sharpest tool in the box, was he?  ;D

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5729 on: March 26, 2024, 04:02:19 pm »
Yep he clearly knows the same as all of us, with the extra phrases and insight of someone who writes about football for a living. Sure Madrid is attractive, who wouldn't want to coach a team with Mbappé, Camavinga, Vini Jnr, Bellingham etc?

But Xabi is not from there and perhaps, we don't know!, he might want to work a little harder moulding something his own vision elseware. A smart man, he should know that the Madrid job comes up every 2-4 years anyway!

And that's the downside to Xabi as well if he does come here. There'll be a circus every time the Madrid job comes up. Rafa practically turned them down every year.

I doubt he's going to sit it out at Leverkusen waiting to see if the Madrid job comes up down the line. Maybe he does but chances are he'll move on now when his stock is highest. His Leverkusen team will break up.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5730 on: March 26, 2024, 04:03:43 pm »
Just seen this story in my news feed:

"Glen Johnson insists Liverpool shouldn’t rule out making England boss Gareth Southgate their new manager in the summer amid links to rivals Man Utd."

He never was the sharpest tool in the box, was he?  ;D

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5731 on: March 26, 2024, 04:05:07 pm »
Just seen this story in my news feed:

"Glen Johnson insists Liverpool shouldn’t rule out making England boss Gareth Southgate their new manager in the summer amid links to rivals Man Utd."

He never was the sharpest tool in the box, was he?  ;D


Hopefully his Saudi mates get him the Newcastle job.

He's tactically inept. International football is just shite and England always get the best draws (until Southgate shits the bed if and when they face anyone half decent).

Maybe we could appoint him manager just for all his spawny cup draws. Just don't let him do any coaching.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5732 on: March 26, 2024, 04:05:25 pm »
And that's the downside to Xabi as well if he does come here. There'll be a circus every time the Madrid job comes up. Rafa practically turned them down every year.

I doubt he's going to sit it out at Leverkusen waiting to see if the Madrid job comes up down the line. Maybe he does but chances are he'll move on now when his stock is highest. His Leverkusen team will break up.

That would mean he's winning trophies with us. Madrid won;t touch him if he's not won anything.

We have to accept not another manager will get a decade here like Klopp. 2-4 years is not even the norm. 

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« Reply #5733 on: March 26, 2024, 04:20:14 pm »
I do believe that the only reason Xabi would stay at Leverkusen was if he had agreed or was lined up to take over from Ancelotti at Madrid. I see that as the only logical reason he would pass up either Liverpool or Bayern and let's be honest, whether we like it or not Madrid tend to get their man in the end whether it's a good move for the man or not.

Many twists and turns to come. Imagine if it's Southgate I think we'd march on FSG's offices :D

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5734 on: March 26, 2024, 04:40:55 pm »
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5735 on: March 26, 2024, 04:42:38 pm »
Imagine if it's Southgate I think we'd march on FSG's offices :D

Imagine if Edwards sanctioned us appointing Southgate as his first major move after coming back. It would be a pretty spectacular way to commit career suicide.

I didn't read the full story. Stopped after that opening line, in fact. It was one of those shite clickbait pieces with a heading along the lines of "Liverpool told to consider Southgate" - I only clicked on it because I needed to see who was the twerp who actually said something so stupid. I expect the journalist goaded him into saying it anyway.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5736 on: March 26, 2024, 04:50:16 pm »
very interesting on Thiago Motta
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I think he'll be Alonso's replacement when he leaves Leverkusen
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5737 on: March 26, 2024, 05:58:30 pm »
So Real are in pole position because they have been waiting to appoint him, and have such a good team that Alonso will wait 2 years to join them. According to Hunter.

Like others have said, it's likely he knows about as much you or I. He's a Spanish football writer so has a a certain biased point of view. From what I've heard about Alonso, he keeps his cards close to his chest so it's likely he's not told anyone, and that's even if he has made a decision - and given what Leverkusen are going for this season, it wouldn't be at all surprising if he's not even seriously considered his next move or when it might be.

Of course, it's completely feasible he wants to go to Real Madrid, I doubt the writer knows. Also, like tou say, I don't think a manager can wait for 2 years, who knows what's going happen in that time? Real Madrid might have moved on, Alonso's stock might not be as high, it'd be a huge gamble.
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« Reply #5738 on: March 26, 2024, 06:03:43 pm »
Like others have said, it's likely he knows about as much you or I. He's a Spanish football writer so has a a certain biased point of view. From what I've heard about Alonso, he keeps his cards close to his chest so it's likely he's not told anyone, and that's even if he has made a decision - and given what Leverkusen are going for this season, it wouldn't be at all surprising if he's not even seriously considered his next move or when it might be.

Of course, it's completely feasible he wants to go to Real Madrid, I doubt the writer knows. Also, like tou say, I don't think a manager can wait for 2 years, who knows what's going happen in that time? Real Madrid might have moved on, Alonso's stock might not be as high, it'd be a huge gamble.

Richard Keys clearly got told so maybe Alonso has changed..

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5739 on: March 26, 2024, 06:07:21 pm »
Richard Keys clearly got told so maybe Alonso has changed..

Obviously when I said Alonso keeps his cards close to his chest, I did mean that he'd immediately tell Richard Keys, even before he told his wife and kids. That's a given.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5740 on: March 26, 2024, 06:10:08 pm »
Maybe they’ll just end the club when Klopp goes.

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« Reply #5741 on: March 26, 2024, 06:17:33 pm »
Just seen this story in my news feed:

"Glen Johnson insists Liverpool shouldn’t rule out making England boss Gareth Southgate their new manager in the summer amid links to rivals Man Utd."

He never was the sharpest tool in the box, was he?  ;D

Good god 😟

I've just threw up a bit in my mouth

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5742 on: March 26, 2024, 06:21:03 pm »
Obviously when I said Alonso keeps his cards close to his chest, I did mean that he'd immediately tell Richard Keys, even before he told his wife and kids. That's a given.

He'll have casually dropped it in the "lads" whatsapp he shares with Keys, Gray, Raul Moat, Gazza, Lawrence Fox and Frottage.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5743 on: March 26, 2024, 06:42:47 pm »
I want Alonso to become our new manager but the worry is there will always be speculation about his future should the Madrid job become available. In Hunter's article on the previous page, there's a bit about him being offered the Marseille job but rejected it with the president of Marseille stating Alonso had made it clear the 4 teams he would like to manage. It just make me wonder whether he would be looking to move on after 3-5 seasons if Madrid did come calling. And let's be honest Madrid seem to have gotten their act together and have really made an effort to lower the average age of their squad by signing young quality players. It must be tempting for a young manager to want to work with such young talent.

I want someone for the long haul.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5744 on: March 26, 2024, 06:48:54 pm »
Just seen this story in my news feed:

"Glen Johnson insists Liverpool shouldn’t rule out making England boss Gareth Southgate their new manager in the summer amid links to rivals Man Utd."

He never was the sharpest tool in the box, was he?  ;D
How can he have played here, known the club and the fans, then gone on to say that?  :lmao

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« Reply #5745 on: March 26, 2024, 07:01:58 pm »
Just seen this story in my news feed:

"Glen Johnson insists Liverpool shouldn’t rule out making England boss Gareth Southgate their new manager in the summer amid links to rivals Man Utd."

He never was the sharpest tool in the box, was he?  ;D

Didn't he do a Masters in Mathematics while playing for Liverpool?

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« Reply #5746 on: March 26, 2024, 07:46:05 pm »
Didn't he do a Masters in Mathematics while playing for Liverpool?

Like the 1 + 1 = 3, math?

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« Reply #5747 on: March 26, 2024, 08:29:07 pm »
"And out pops a smiling Glen Johnson..."

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« Reply #5748 on: March 26, 2024, 08:51:25 pm »
Didn't he do a Masters in Mathematics while playing for Liverpool?

A degree I think, not a Masters. A lot of talk of him starting one, not sure he actually finished it.



I find it interesting that just a few months ago De Zerbi would have been most peoples 2nd or 3rd choice. Probably not anymore. 

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5749 on: March 26, 2024, 11:18:38 pm »
I've just threw up a bit in my mouth

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« Reply #5750 on: March 26, 2024, 11:21:16 pm »
christ I hate that expression.

I hate the thought of Gareth fucking Southgate as liverpool manager more believe me

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5751 on: March 26, 2024, 11:41:32 pm »
I want Alonso to become our new manager but the worry is there will always be speculation about his future should the Madrid job become available. In Hunter's article on the previous page, there's a bit about him being offered the Marseille job but rejected it with the president of Marseille stating Alonso had made it clear the 4 teams he would like to manage. It just make me wonder whether he would be looking to move on after 3-5 seasons if Madrid did come calling. And let's be honest Madrid seem to have gotten their act together and have really made an effort to lower the average age of their squad by signing young quality players. It must be tempting for a young manager to want to work with such young talent.

I want someone for the long haul.

I wonder if FSG will be thinking likewise. They could say 'look we're gonna give you time' with the expectancy of loyalty. If there's an indication that loyalty and commitment in the long term is not forthcoming, then I think they are well within their rights to give it a miss. I hope to hell that isn't the case with Alonso if he were to be interviewed, but we never did anything great without commitment.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5752 on: March 26, 2024, 11:44:03 pm »
My hunch is Ruben Amorim will be our next manager; a bet that he's shaping up
to be the next great coach out of Portugal, we'll know in 2 weeks if Sporting look in good shape for
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« Reply #5753 on: March 27, 2024, 01:02:59 am »
My hunch is Ruben Amorim will be our next manager; a bet that he's shaping up
to be the next great coach out of Portugal, we'll know in 2 weeks if Sporting look in good shape for
a second league title under him.
After AVB you mean? :P

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Right now, he's the only palatable alternative we've been linked to if for some reason, Xabi doesn't have the stomach for it. There's also the concern about whether he'll hold out (knowing he's only our backup option) if say Barcelona or even Chelsea come calling in the next few weeks. If that happens, there'll be a semi-meltdown on RAWK.
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5754 on: March 27, 2024, 01:16:12 am »
Amorim's release clause being 25m i think may rule him out if we had to pay that.

Don't really see a sum like that being a stumbling block, if the club really think the manager is our long-term solution and will be here to shape the team for a long time. I would imagine Xabi wouldn't be a lot cheaper (if he doesn't have a release clause), as Leverkusen would probably wanting something like what Bayern paid to Leipzig for Nagelsmann, which was between 15 and 25 million Euros depending on whom you believe. While Nagelsmann had a longer contract at Leipzig, he had also won fuck all. If Xabi wins the league (and maybe another competition they're still in), Leverkusen might feel 25 million would be a justified asking price, if someone wants to sign their manager in the summer. And if you're looking at the big picture, a price like that would still worth it, if you really feel that you're getting someone who'll have a significant impact on your whole club for a long time. It's not like paying 100 million for a player who'll still only be one of 20+ people in your squad, while the manager is much more vital to how you're developing as a team/club.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5755 on: March 27, 2024, 06:17:23 am »
You can’t be shocked if Alonso decides he’d like to manage Madrid sooner rather than later. There’s so many generational players there, it really is huge if you’re a manager being able to manage Mbappe, Vinicius, Bellingham, Camavinga, Valverde, Tchouameni, potentially Davies and they’ll probably sign a couple more. The heights you could take a squad like that are almost unparalleled. There’s a bit of a dressing room harmony about them, maybe it’s because Barcelona aren’t the same threat they were all those years ago, but it does feel like this Madrid side could dominate La Liga in a way Barcelona did with Messi for well over a decade. It used to feel like they would self combust under the pressure of being inferior to Barcelona but it’s hard to see that happening with Barca relying on toddlers so heavily.

We also can’t be shocked if Madrid have been lining him up and communicating with him for a long time as part of some grand master plan. That’s how they operate. My own view is if Ancelotti loses to City in Europe, there could be an emotional reaction to that where they decide getting Xabi in for next season would be preferred rather than risk he comes to Liverpool and commits to a minimum 5 year project here. For Xabi, it might be the only time our job becomes available and he may deem England the better move for his career at this point than the pressure cooker of managing Madrid. Madrid just seem to have those powers of persuasion above everyone else, when they really want someone they usually get them, they’ve been the only club I’ve really worried about since Klopp announced he was leaving.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5756 on: March 27, 2024, 06:44:36 am »
wouldnt Real go for Klopp i would think

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5757 on: March 27, 2024, 07:00:47 am »
The Alonso conversation is starting to remind me of the Bellingham conversation.

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« Reply #5758 on: March 27, 2024, 07:06:52 am »
wouldnt Real go for Klopp i would think

Nah, couldn’t see it. Klopp’s a serious football man, the circus and hysteria around that club wouldn’t appeal and he understands he needs at least some level of control to operate at his best. At Madrid you have to accept that a lot of the decisions are made above you and your job is to coach the team. Someone like Alonso who’s played there and grew up as a Spaniard, it’s fine, he knows the score, but Jurgen wouldn’t do it. We all know Jurgen likes the 7 year project, that’s his aim, at Madrid it’s almost year to year, regardless of how good you are. He’s more than good enough as we all know, but I just couldn’t ever see it unless he decides to spend his final years in management taking on short term jobs. I could only see Jurgen managing Germany if he decides to return.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #5759 on: March 27, 2024, 07:14:43 am »
The Alonso conversation is starting to remind me of the Bellingham conversation.

Alonso signing for us was always more likely than Belleingham.