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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5320 on: February 8, 2019, 08:39:19 pm »
I think Klopp all season, for the most part, hasn't put a foot wrong but for me, he has made a small mistake and it's the same mistake Rodgers made in 13/14.

What Fergie did brilliantly was to included his fringe players. Yes, you've got your favorites but you have to keep the fringe players involved. This means mentally and physically. Despite being a fringe player you need to be mentally engaged meaning feeling like you're part of the sqaud and also been phyiscally involved, keeping the minutes up so when you come into games you aren't coming in completely cold.

What we've done is rely on first team players for the vast majority of games. This is fine and to be expected but every opportunity we have had to include fringe players should be taken. In games that are already won for instance. What is happening is the likes of the front three are playing virtually every minute which is putting a strain on their bodies making them exceed season highs for past season and the fringe players aren't playing so there is no chance to get a rhythm for high intensity football. For instance, at the start of the season you had Sturridge in relatively good form despite the lack of minutes and those minutes become more and more reduced. Any form and by extension confidence would dissipate over time.
Now you have a player who is less engaged as his confidence is chipped away and has a lack of match fitness when and if he is eventually needed. Hopefully, nothing happens to the front three but if something did then Sturridge and Origi would have precious little sharpness to make a difference in crucial games.

We have also overloaded our young players whose bodies are still developing. For instance, Gomez was used at right back (where he got injured) when it would have been a good chance to rest Gomez and give Clyne minutes at right back which would have made him feel more involved in the squad. So you have a young player being played to much and a squad player who doesn't feel involved so asks to move on.

Whatever happens this seasons, happens. But for next season Klopp has to move on the players he doesn't trust because there is zero point in having them and try to involve his entire squad. I likened it to Rodgers because the same thing happened to Aspas. Hardly played, not involved so when you come to the business end of the season you have a player who has no match fitness and is coming into team completely cold.

This isn't meant for anyone in particular. This has annoyed me all season and I just needed to get it off my chest. It's a flaw in Klopp's management and it needs to change otherwise what's the point of having a big squad?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5321 on: February 8, 2019, 08:39:26 pm »
Non match going fans should go over to Manchester and smash up the City bus every other week too. : )
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« Reply #5322 on: February 8, 2019, 10:06:44 pm »
Question - am I in 1970s London and am I Peter Vaughan?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5323 on: February 9, 2019, 12:13:08 am »
Good summary of how far we've come from Tomkins. Also covers how little squad development Guardiola has had to do compared with Klopp and of course how they're benefiting from elite players bought before fees escalated again.

https://tomkinstimes.com/2019/02/tons-of-big-picture-positives-for-liverpool-for-this-season-and-beyond/



Great read that and hits the nail firmly on the head. 

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5324 on: February 9, 2019, 12:15:49 am »
Too many bell ends in the fan base already conceding the title to City. Embarrassing.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5325 on: February 9, 2019, 01:55:56 am »
I think its good that we are getting this pressure earlier in the season. In 2013-14, the pressure and nerves kicked in after the City win and there was too slim a margin to cope with everyone adapting to this. In 2008-09 we never had a real margin on United and they always had 1 or 2 games in hand so there was no security. This time, there's room to learn and adapt and grow to handle this pressure, not just for the squad, but for the fanbase as well. For us to really start believing we had to go through a phase like this, and the fact that we have room to make mistakes is only a good thing. The title will not be decided anytime soon. Regardless of the narrative, its still 100% in our control whether we will be champions or not. The Champions League will also help dissipate this anxiety. I am here for the ride. This is the best we've ever been, nothing should change that.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5326 on: February 9, 2019, 07:11:18 am »
i think that the press has inadvertantly galvanised all LFC fans together now, to finally push the team over the line.    Why do i think this?
because they have started emphesising fantasy facts, they say that the fans are the nervous core of this movement, but no, its just a digital media frenzy, caused by instant dissapointment, and instant hot headed comments. The media like to amplify these comments to make us seem more extreme than we are. They are the ones putting pressure on us fans. but now it has become over burdening. it is galvanising us into a unified anger, a defiant machine.we will come together like never before these next few games and ram it down their throats. we can be the most united fan bases in the world when it comes down to attitude and sense. they cross us at their peril. time to support the team boys, with your loudest voices , time to defy the social media tripe. time for victory
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5327 on: February 9, 2019, 07:17:42 am »
i thunk the press has inadvertantly galvanised all LFC fans together now, to finally push the team over the line.    Why do i think this?
because they have started emphesising fantasy facts, they say that the fans are the nervous core of this movement, but no, its just a digital media frenzy, caused by instant dissapointment, and instant hot headed comments. The media like to amplify these comments to make us seem more extreme than we are. They are the ones putting pressure on us fans. but now it has become over burdening. it is galvanising us into a unified anger, a defiant machine.we will come together like never before these next few games and ram it down their throats. we can be the most united fan bases in the world when it comes down to attitude and sense. they cross us at their peril. time to support the team boys, with your loudest voices , time to defy the social media tripe. time for victory

You do realize you are using a "social media forum" to defy the social media tripe"  ;D
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5328 on: February 9, 2019, 07:52:42 am »
Sir Kenny Dalglish issues Premier League title rallying cry to Liverpool fans and dismisses Guardiola's mind games

The Kop legend believes Reds fans have a massive part to play in the title race

By James Pearce


Sir Kenny Dalglish has delivered a rallying call to supporters ahead of Saturday's crunch Premier League clash with Bournemouth at Anfield as he declared: “You can inspire Liverpool to title glory.”

The Kop legend, who was manager the last time the Reds were crowned champions in 1990, believes supporters have a key role to play in helping to ensure Jurgen Klopp's side end that 29-year wait.

Dalglish insists rivals Manchester City's attempts to crank up the pressure with “psychological warfare” won't have any impact on Liverpool, who will re-establish a three-point lead at the top if they beat the Cherries.

“People might be nervous but I was nervous at the start of the season so I don’t know what nerves has got to do with it,” Dalglish said.

“There’s no problem with nerves. I think it’s normal to feel nervous, it’s anticipation. We have been brilliant this season, the support has been brilliant.

“For us, we’ve never, ever won a trophy in my time here without the help of the fans. When it gets towards the finishing line that’s when you need them most of all. If we can all stick together collectively that will give us a chance to move forward.

“When I played for the club, we were fortunate to win it a few times. We won it because of the help we got from the people on the pitch, the managerial staff and the people who come and watch.

“They shouldn't under-estimate the importance of the people who come to watch. They can get them over the line with their support.

“The support here has always been magnificent. They will enjoy it. It's been 29 years since we won a league title. That's a generation and a half nearly - a long wait.

“If they are a wee bit nervous then you can understand it but that doesn't stop them cheering the boys on. They will cheer them on to the end and the boys deserve that.”

Back-to-back draws against Leicester and West Ham have hampered Liverpool's title bid with Man City leapfrogging them on goal difference but Dalglish isn't concerned.

He said: “We shouldn’t be embarrassed to be sitting up there. Fear the worst? What’s the worst? Jesus Christ, the worst is relegation, I would imagine.

“We should be positive, supportive, helpful. We are going to make mistakes but they shouldn’t be magnified because we are getting towards the end of the season.

“They made mistakes at the start of the season as well. They might only have lost one game, but that’s irrelevant, that’s in the past. Everything you’ve got adds up in the end.”

Dalglish, who won eight league championships with Liverpool as a player and then manager, has told Pep Guardiola that he's wasting his time with title race mind games. Earlier this week the City boss claimed that he would rather be in the Reds' position.

“They call it a run in because there is only a few left but don’t forget what has gone before,” Dalglish said.

“You get the usual stuff coming towards the end of the season like the psychological warfare. If you support a team you see it one way and the opposition team try to throw a spanner in there. At the end of the day, they can try all the psychology they want.

“It’s only what happens on the pitch that is going to count eventually. We are where we are because of what we did together on the pitch and in the stadium.

“I saw one yesterday, it was a Man City boy saying how they’re stronger. Well, it’s not a weightlifting contest is it? It’s about what happens on the pitch.

“For us, we’ve done most things right this year and if we continue to do most things right we will be very happy. What is it? 13 games to go. Just enjoy them. Just take one at a time. The next one is the most important one.

“If you want to benefit from the opposition's demise then you need to do what you do well. They just need to do what they've done well all season.

“As it stands at the moment, they are top of the league on goal difference and we have got a game in hand. Pep said he would rather be in our position and you say there's no psychology going on!

“Don't listen to them, they aren't in our position, we're in our position. Our destiny lies in our hands.”

The 67-year-old believes City's title challenge could be affected by the fact that they are also still involved in the League Cup, Champions League and FA Cup.

“Man City have been brilliant. They are still in all four competitions and they have a final coming up,” he continued.

“They have got the Champions League and an FA Cup tie coming up at Newport which might be interesting if it's the same pitch that Middlesbrough played on. They have a lot of football to play.

“What happens with injuries and suspensions will be quite important during the rest of the season. Both teams have had a few injuries so far and that's part and parcel of it - it's how you react and respond to them.

“Nobody is going to help you, you have to help yourselves. If we help ourselves we'll be in a good position.”

Klopp's criticism of referee Kevin Friend following Monday's 1-1 draw with West Ham led to talk of the Reds boss feeling the pressure but Dalglish is adamant that's not the case.

“He must be up for an Academy award as well then because I’ve not seen it. He must be in for an Oscar, when are they due?” Dalglish joked.

“He’s been brilliant. For the players, he has been fantastic because he shares and educates everything with them.

“For the punters he shares everything that they get – he shares the enjoyment and the disappointment.

“Jurgen is the best person that could possibly be there because he relates to everybody at the club. He doesn’t go a way off and try to do what he wants for himself. He does what is best for everybody. It has been magnificent for us to watch this year. With the support of everybody they can get to the finish line.”

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sir-kenny-dalglish-issues-premier-15803048


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5329 on: February 9, 2019, 08:17:07 am »
Well said by the King, time for us to write our own narrative.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5330 on: February 9, 2019, 09:03:04 am »
King Kenny. Fantastic words.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5331 on: February 9, 2019, 10:29:47 am »
Some people in here were saying we could perhaps rest some players in league matches to concentrate on the CL, a few weeks back, as we had a good lead.  It was just madness.

I remember Michael Thomas scoring that goal at Anfield.

We are still no closer to being out of it, than we are of winning it.  Until the maths say otherwise, anything is possible.

It's just great to be in a genuine title challenge with the belief that the team is good enough to actually win the thing.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5332 on: February 9, 2019, 10:53:24 am »
What party? We blew a comfortable advantage and there is a big chance we will bottle the whole thing now. Its normal for the people to be anxious given the fact in the recent years we blew all our chances for a silverware..

Absolute bollocks. There is a chance we don't win the league but big chance to bottle it? That's a load of crap.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5333 on: February 9, 2019, 11:26:10 am »
best post in this thread to date was those words from the king.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5334 on: February 9, 2019, 11:31:26 am »
best post in this thread to date was those words from the king.

Would you expect anything less! He’s practically Liverpool born and bred, the passion he shows is undeniably contagious!

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5335 on: February 9, 2019, 11:44:10 am »
Haven't heard anyone point this out on any medium:

If our goal difference is the same as Manchester City and we're ahead of them in the table (such as by three points), after a single match day when our points become equal, their goal difference is obviously going to be better.

What that means and what people are missing? If we're ahead in the table we also need to be ahead in goal difference. Being equal on goal difference (like before) doesn't give us the advantage we think we have.

So, if we're 3 goals behind City, the aim isn't to close that gap to zero, but to overtake them, I would say to get a 3 goal advantage, so if we lose by 1 goal and they win by 1 goal, then we're still ahead on goal difference.

Now, the players are not going to think like this, so it's just something for the fans to think about when aiming to close the goal difference gap.

I personally don't care about that goal difference gap, cos I expect that City is going to get bigger wins than us and I'm looking to beat them on points. Unless of course we start picking up those 4+ goal margin wins like we did last season.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5336 on: February 9, 2019, 11:52:15 am »
I'm getting so frustrated at seeing about how we were 9 points clear and now it's all even. True of course but completely neglects to mention that when we were nine points clear, City had a game in hand the next day against Southampton and now that it's all level we have a game in hand.

Anything to promote this idea of "bottling" it or "throwing it away" that everyone is so obsessed with. If they hadn't have played an extra game, then we'd be three points clear, which is 4 points conceded to them since the New Year. So that's the tight defeat at the Etihad, plus one more point. Really threw that lead away didn't we.

To this day you still see people showing the picture of the league table after we beat City in 2014 asking how on earth did we blow that lead? Well, City had two games in hand, and we lost a game. Fucking simple.

We've got a fantastic team who've still only lost once and are going toe to toe with one of the great teams of the Premier League era. It's all good.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5337 on: February 9, 2019, 12:05:08 pm »
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Exactly - all that matters is that at 16:55 on Sun 12th May, we have 1 more point than City has.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5338 on: February 9, 2019, 12:46:24 pm »
Good summary of how far we've come from Tomkins. Also covers how little squad development Guardiola has had to do compared with Klopp and of course how they're benefiting from elite players bought before fees escalated again.

https://tomkinstimes.com/2019/02/tons-of-big-picture-positives-for-liverpool-for-this-season-and-beyond/

Great read. Especially the reminder that not too long ago we were being beaten 6-1 by Stoke.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5339 on: February 9, 2019, 01:39:07 pm »
Haven't heard anyone point this out on any medium:

If our goal difference is the same as Manchester City and we're ahead of them in the table (such as by three points), after a single match day when our points become equal, their goal difference is obviously going to be better.

What that means and what people are missing? If we're ahead in the table we also need to be ahead in goal difference. Being equal on goal difference (like before) doesn't give us the advantage we think we have.

So, if we're 3 goals behind City, the aim isn't to close that gap to zero, but to overtake them, I would say to get a 3 goal advantage, so if we lose by 1 goal and they win by 1 goal, then we're still ahead on goal difference.

Now, the players are not going to think like this, so it's just something for the fans to think about when aiming to close the goal difference gap.

I personally don't care about that goal difference gap, cos I expect that City is going to get bigger wins than us and I'm looking to beat them on points. Unless of course we start picking up those 4+ goal margin wins like we did last season.

Let’s just win our matches, goal difference is highly unlikely to come into it.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5340 on: February 9, 2019, 04:09:57 pm »
Title change please ;D
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5341 on: February 9, 2019, 04:52:23 pm »
Title change please ;D

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« Reply #5342 on: February 9, 2019, 05:12:45 pm »
Come on Chelsea, do your job!
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« Reply #5343 on: February 9, 2019, 05:15:06 pm »
Come on Chelsea, do your job!

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« Reply #5344 on: February 9, 2019, 05:15:41 pm »
Title change please ;D

Let's wait til the end of tomorrow shall we.

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« Reply #5345 on: February 9, 2019, 05:16:25 pm »
Everyone feeling a bit better now?
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« Reply #5346 on: February 9, 2019, 05:19:33 pm »
Perfect response from the boys that.

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« Reply #5347 on: February 9, 2019, 05:20:54 pm »
Unbeaten run now at five games and a well-needed win and clean sheet. The game in two weeks time is going to be one massive fixture though. That's all there is to say. I didn't watch the game today because of family birthdays and stuff, but was glad to see the stable nature of the win.
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« Reply #5348 on: February 9, 2019, 05:29:38 pm »
Let's wait til the end of tomorrow shall we.

Nah fuck that ;) played the same amount of games, they are all chasing us again.
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« Reply #5349 on: February 9, 2019, 05:33:33 pm »
Nah fuck that ;) played the same amount of games, they are all chasing us again.

I'd prefer if we kept this title even with a double-digit lead, given how shaky everything looked during the last few games prior to this one. Don't want to jinx it now.
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« Reply #5350 on: February 9, 2019, 05:33:55 pm »
Nah fuck that ;) played the same amount of games, they are all chasing us again.
He's right though, there tomorrow could even be better. ;)
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« Reply #5351 on: February 9, 2019, 05:34:43 pm »
Been wondering about this, but how common is it to rearrange fixtures earlier than originally scheduled?
First time I have seen it to be honest..

Hopefully it won't make a difference as long as we do our job, but still......
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« Reply #5352 on: February 9, 2019, 05:36:31 pm »
Been wondering about this, but how common is it to rearrange fixtures earlier than originally scheduled?
First time I have seen it to be honest..

Hopefully it won't make a difference as long as we do our job, but still......

City have too many games and potential games coming up to have fit the Everton game in, they both had a free week, so that's why it was moved early. Not something I can remember much of though.
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« Reply #5353 on: February 9, 2019, 05:40:16 pm »
City have too many games and potential games coming up to have fit the Everton game in, they both had a free week, so that's why it was moved early. Not something I can remember much of though.

The Ev would have probably agreed to play it even if they didn't have a free week mate..  ;D
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« Reply #5354 on: February 9, 2019, 06:01:02 pm »
On 3rd Jan when City beat us 2-1 to close the gap to 4 pts they were climaxing on the pitch.

Today, on 9th Feb, more than a month on, the gap has only been closed by a massive 1 pt  ...we are 3 pts ahead.

Wonder how they feel now?



Edited due to El Lobo's notice of a typo. Cheers La
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5355 on: February 9, 2019, 06:01:37 pm »
On 3rd Jan when City beat us 2-1 to close the gap to 4 pts they were climaxing on the pitch.

Today, on 9th Feb, more than a month on, the gap has only been closed by a massive 1 pt  ...we are 3 pts ahead, and we have a game in hand.

Wonder how they feel now?

Nope

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5356 on: February 9, 2019, 06:04:45 pm »
Unbeaten run now at five games and a well-needed win and clean sheet. The game in two weeks time is going to be one massive fixture though. That's all there is to say. I didn't watch the game today because of family birthdays and stuff, but was glad to see the stable nature of the win.

Also didn’t watch the game because of my nephews birthday party but just glad to see us win. Much needed points and confidence lift after the narrative around the last couple and City’s wins. Big game for them tomorrow.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5357 on: February 9, 2019, 06:08:45 pm »
Also didn’t watch the game because of my nephews birthday party but just glad to see us win. Much needed points and confidence lift after the narrative around the last couple and City’s wins. Big game for them tomorrow.

Came home to watch the game in replay by flipping back the official stream for Sweden, only for the live broadcast to still be going and showing Salah's 3-0 goal among the highlights. Oops  :wave
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5358 on: February 9, 2019, 06:25:28 pm »
Everyone feeling a bit better now?

Hell yes! Feels great to get back to winning ways.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #5359 on: February 9, 2019, 06:35:58 pm »
Good result, some standout performances from Gini and Fabinho and a good atmosphere! Nice way to go into the break in a strong position before united