Author Topic: Youth and Under 23 Thread (Read 12316866 times)

RedGuy · « **Reply #33240 on:** November 18, 2011, 11:02:40 am »

We've been drawn in the NextGen QF's against the winner of group 4, which will probably be Tottenham.

hassinator · « **Reply #33241 on:** November 18, 2011, 12:03:35 pm »

Quote from: Vulmea on November 17, 2011, 11:10:18 pm

jay had a spell at leicester and played some regular first team football there - robinson has not had that yet - if the club felt he would have benefited going on loan for a few months and playing tough competitive games then I'd be more prone to trust them than the opinion of a spotty teenager -

fair comment big man - was actually thinking that as i went to bed last night which surely can't be healthy?

i suppose if he was going to go on loan it would need to be to a side where he would start and they would play decent football.

where was he rumoured to be going?

hassinator · « **Reply #33242 on:** November 18, 2011, 12:05:15 pm »

Quote from: superjack on November 18, 2011, 12:05:35 am

He's a quick skillful winger, similar to sterling but left footed left midfielder, he should link up with ohanlon well for the u16,s. Great job by camolli and good news for the academy.

he's been much touted 14 just seems so very young to be investing in talent but clearly its the future and we need to be part of it.

Vulmea · « **Reply #33243 on:** November 18, 2011, 12:10:29 pm »

Quote from: john_mac on November 18, 2011, 02:09:27 am

Spearing turned down two loan offers before going to Leicester. Sometimes it is about the right loan deal rather than a loan deal.

In any case, I remain far from convinced that the club recommended a loan deal to Robbo, he has become part & parcel of the first team squad at a young age, and is very much seen as a star of the future. Even at 14 he was head & shoulders above his age group at the academy, generally playing in central defence, he looked a professional amongst kids.

The club have and have had a long term plan for him, and that is going according to plan, hence the new extended contract. Some shite spouted on an internet forum is really irrelevant in contrast.

dont know when he turned them down - but I do think he wasted an entire season in the stiffs learning nothing when he should have been playing - if he turned them down beofre that he's only got himself to blame.

and I think thats the issue especially 18-21 - the system is busted - how do you go from reserve football to premiership quality - its easier at smaller clubs - less budget. lower quality, less expectation but the big clubs are cream crackered

Think its ok for those making the step from U18 to reserves for a year (or U19/Next gen this year) with the best getting bench appearances and training with the squad, the following year t year though whats the plan - more bench appearances more training - is that how to develop them to best effect ? thats were flanno and robinson are now I guess too good for the stiffs not good enough to oust the first team players

Quote from: hassinator on November 18, 2011, 12:03:35 pm

fair comment big man - was actually thinking that as i went to bed last night which surely can't be healthy?

i suppose if he was going to go on loan it would need to be to a side where he would start and they would play decent football.

where was he rumoured to be going?

dont dispute that and the higher up the league structure the better

but as has been said its all speculation - just saying if he had the opportunity then he's a mug not to have taken it -

hassinator · « **Reply #33244 on:** November 18, 2011, 12:21:18 pm »

i'm not a fan of the spuds or indeed flash arry but they do seem good at loaning out their best reserves to gain experience rather than suffer that gap between 18-21. do they actually have a reserve side now or did they disband it for good?

El jefe · « **Reply #33245 on:** November 18, 2011, 12:59:13 pm »

Quote from: bigbear on November 17, 2011, 07:02:42 pm

I just don't think that's true. He is our back up left back and would have played at Stoke if he was fit.

I have heard nothing about him going out on loan yet. If anything Flanno would go out first because we have 2 players in front of him at right back. Plus if there was any question mark about his attitude he would not have just signed a new contract would he ?

We didn't offer him out though, a club came in for him. Kenny said he should take the opportunity and it would be good for him as did his family, but he didn't want to. Pretty stupid really

Vulmea · « **Reply #33246 on:** November 18, 2011, 01:00:06 pm »

Quote from: hassinator on November 18, 2011, 12:21:18 pm

i'm not a fan of the spuds or indeed flash arry but they do seem good at loaning out their best reserves to gain experience rather than suffer that gap between 18-21. do they actually have a reserve side now or did they disband it for good?

yeah I think last sesaon they looked at the reserve structure and said - nah not going to bother with that its a waste of time we'll send them al out on loan - this season I'm not sure because they re in the next gen series and doing very well - think they top their group - I dont know if they did similarly to us and just kept their U18's on to create an U19 team for that competition.

City have scraped their stiffs so I'm told - they did have two reserve teams at one stage and I think entered one into one of the local leagues - might be mistaken there though - theye are also in the next gen and haven't won a point - dont know if that reflects they may have just entered a very young side i.e. U18 team

David H · « **Reply #33247 on:** November 18, 2011, 01:12:36 pm »

Can't even find one youtube video of him playing, must be shit.

MBL? · « **Reply #33248 on:** November 18, 2011, 01:20:40 pm »

Saw Ojo play play a game and a half in the victory shield and was very impressed. He played on the left but as far as I know he can play all across midfield. From the games I saw he is an all round Athlete (amazing that he won't turn 15 till next summer) with very good technical ability. Wonder if he'll go into the u16's or u18's? Probably a bit of both like Sterling did when he arrived?

koolkamal · « **Reply #33249 on:** November 18, 2011, 01:31:19 pm »

Looks like we'll be playing winners of group 4 in nextgen series which is most likely to be Spurs.

hassinator · « **Reply #33250 on:** November 18, 2011, 01:43:44 pm »

Quote from: koolkamal on November 18, 2011, 01:31:19 pm

Looks like we'll be playing winners of group 4 in nextgen series which is most likely to be Spurs.

is it a two leg affair?

Saul Goodman · « **Reply #33251 on:** November 18, 2011, 02:02:15 pm »

Quote from: hassinator on November 18, 2011, 01:43:44 pm

is it a two leg affair?

NextGenSeries NextGeneration
The Quarter Finals will be played over one leg at the Home stadium of the Group Winner. #NextGen

hassinator · « **Reply #33252 on:** November 18, 2011, 02:33:25 pm »

well if we get the spuds away that's striking distance for me

hassinator · « **Reply #33253 on:** November 18, 2011, 02:36:08 pm »

Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 18, 2011, 02:02:15 pm

NextGenSeries NextGeneration
The Quarter Finals will be played over one leg at the Home stadium of the Group Winner. #NextGen

sorry more questions: do you know when the tie is going to be? i'm finding their site slow to navigate.

JN Jonsson · « **Reply #33254 on:** November 18, 2011, 03:11:54 pm »

Anyone that can tell me anything about Engvall or Peterson?

Also, a third swede just joined the academy - Sheriff.

trembles97 · « **Reply #33255 on:** November 18, 2011, 04:39:47 pm »

Nathan Quirk trained with the first team today. A bit surprising as he isn't really one of the standouts for the u18s, he seems to be more of a utility man.

Dr Manhattan · « **Reply #33256 on:** November 18, 2011, 05:28:38 pm »

Quote from: Saul Goodman on November 18, 2011, 02:02:15 pm

NextGenSeries NextGeneration
The Quarter Finals will be played over one leg at the Home stadium of the Group Winner. #NextGen

Well that seems incredibly fucking stupid.

gazzathered · « **Reply #33257 on:** November 18, 2011, 06:28:52 pm »

Quote from: trembles97 on November 18, 2011, 04:39:47 pm

Nathan Quirk trained with the first team today. A bit surprising as he isn't really one of the standouts for the u18s, he seems to be more of a utility man.

I was looking at the photos of the team training and wondered who the bloke was in the seventh picture down, think you've answered it for me

gazzathered · « **Reply #33258 on:** November 18, 2011, 06:30:53 pm »

Quote from: koolkamal on November 18, 2011, 01:31:19 pm

Looks like we'll be playing winners of group 4 in nextgen series which is most likely to be Spurs.

Really, if it is spurs away I'll be there for that,anyone know the date

superjack · « **Reply #33259 on:** November 18, 2011, 07:05:13 pm »

Quote from: El jefe on November 18, 2011, 12:59:13 pm

We didn't offer him out though, a club came in for him. Kenny said he should take the opportunity and it would be good for him as did his family, but he didn't want to. Pretty stupid really

Spearing turned down a loan move to wolves this season. Its good in one way that payers want to stay and fight for their position. Robinson is plenty young if he went and played league one he could get disillusioned when he comes back. Kenny will guide him, plus we don't know robbo side of the story.

superjack · « **Reply #33260 on:** November 18, 2011, 08:06:56 pm »

Quote from: gazzathered on November 18, 2011, 06:30:53 pm

Really, if it is spurs away I'll be there for that,anyone know the date

It could be in Dubai or Qatar sometime in Jan. Spurs have solaman codabayle who played for Ghana in the u17 world cup Google him if you haven't seen him play he is a goal machine.

superjack · « **Reply #33261 on:** November 18, 2011, 08:14:12 pm »

Quote from: trembles97 on November 18, 2011, 04:39:47 pm

Nathan Quirk trained with the first team today. A bit surprising as he isn't really one of the standouts for the u18s, he seems to be more of a utility man.

Quirk is very young and a talented winger I rate him highly. Petersen from what I seen has too many silly tricks that we need to get coached out of him but he's big and strong he might come good in time. He look a little like cristano ronaldo, runs like him too but plays a bit like johnny ronaldo, cristano,s lesser known cross dressing man city loving straight brother.

El jefe · « **Reply #33262 on:** November 18, 2011, 08:21:59 pm »

Quote from: superjack on November 18, 2011, 07:05:13 pm

Spearing turned down a loan move to wolves this season. Its good in one way that payers want to stay and fight for their position. Robinson is plenty young if he went and played league one he could get disillusioned when he comes back. Kenny will guide him, plus we don't know robbo side of the story.

Speo is older and had a loan experience though, Jack hasn't. You are right Kenny will guide him but he wanted him to go out. The fact of the matter is regular football is important for a players development he's not getting that and when he does it's not at a competitive level. 99/100 times a loan move improves the youngster involved. Man United do it to almost all of theirs. It makes them more hungry when they come back as well, as they have had a taste of regular football. It's easy to stagnate in the reserves

gazzathered · « **Reply #33263 on:** November 18, 2011, 08:30:03 pm »

Quote from: superjack on November 18, 2011, 08:06:56 pm

It could be in Dubai or Qatar sometime in Jan. Spurs have solaman codabayle who played for Ghana in the u17 world cup Google him if you haven't seen him play he is a goal machine.

Dubai, on second thoughts I dont think I'll make it, why dubai

bigbear · « **Reply #33264 on:** November 18, 2011, 08:32:01 pm »

Quote from: El jefe on November 18, 2011, 12:59:13 pm

We didn't offer him out though, a club came in for him. Kenny said he should take the opportunity and it would be good for him as did his family, but he didn't want to. Pretty stupid really

Please tell me where you know that from because I am fairly sure that is not true.

babraham · « **Reply #33265 on:** November 18, 2011, 11:16:01 pm »

Quote from: Maldini on November 17, 2011, 11:46:27 pm

He played left of a forward three for England, looks very quick and strong and direct with an awkward running style a bit like Krasic

Quote from: superjack on November 18, 2011, 12:05:35 am

He's a quick skillful winger, similar to sterling but left footed left midfielder, he should link up with ohanlon well for the u16,s. Great job by camolli and good news for the academy.

Quote from: Martin Broughton's Lovechild on November 18, 2011, 01:20:40 pm

Saw Ojo play play a game and a half in the victory shield and was very impressed. He played on the left but as far as I know he can play all across midfield. From the games I saw he is an all round Athlete (amazing that he won't turn 15 till next summer) with very good technical ability. Wonder if he'll go into the u16's or u18's? Probably a bit of both like Sterling did when he arrived?

Cheers lads.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #33266 on:** November 19, 2011, 10:52:17 am »

LFC U18s at Man City KO 1100GMT Belford, McLaughlin, Pelosi, Rafferty, Regan, Aymler, Peterson, Dunn, Moli, Sumner, Lussey

LFC Subs Quirk, Wearing, Baio, M Wilson, King

jimmyjr86 · « **Reply #33267 on:** November 19, 2011, 11:01:53 am »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on November 19, 2011, 10:52:17 am

LFC U18s at Man City KO 1100GMT Belford, McLaughlin, Pelosi, Rafferty, Regan, Aymler, Peterson, Dunn, Moli, Sumner, Lussey

LFC Subs Quirk, Wearing, Baio, M Wilson, King

Interesting that it looks like Pelosi is playing left back again, looked mightily impressive going forward but a bit shakey in defence

gazzathered · « **Reply #33268 on:** November 19, 2011, 11:22:00 am »

Quote from: jimmyjr86 on November 19, 2011, 11:01:53 am

Interesting that it looks like Pelosi is playing left back again, looked mightily impressive going forward but a bit shakey in defence

Can't believe he's left back again as he looked way out of his depth but going forward class.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #33269 on:** November 19, 2011, 11:39:49 am »

1-0 up.

Moli assisted by Dunn.

The academy's good again, rejoice!

Saul Goodman · « **Reply #33270 on:** November 19, 2011, 12:36:05 pm »

2 - 0 Lussey. City have missed a penalty.

Edit - 3-0 Jack Dunn

Mr_Morosoph · « **Reply #33271 on:** November 19, 2011, 12:36:23 pm »

3-0 now. Lussey and Dunn with the other goals.

City missed a penalty too.

anfieldpurch · « **Reply #33272 on:** November 19, 2011, 12:54:57 pm »

U18s won 3-1

Dudek · « **Reply #33273 on:** November 19, 2011, 01:57:49 pm »

How has pelosi done?

kopitecrash · « **Reply #33274 on:** November 19, 2011, 02:36:24 pm »

Kneejerk alert - Man City's academy has gone down the pan.

babraham · « **Reply #33275 on:** November 19, 2011, 02:59:07 pm »

Quote from: Dudek on November 19, 2011, 01:57:49 pm

How has pelosi done?

Was also wandering.

JustDan · « **Reply #33276 on:** November 19, 2011, 03:52:49 pm »

Quote from: babraham on November 19, 2011, 02:59:07 pm

Was also wandering.

No wonder he was.. what were they thinking putting him a LB? Needs to be played further forward from what I've heard

RJH · « **Reply #33277 on:** November 19, 2011, 04:12:08 pm »

Quote from: gazzathered on November 18, 2011, 08:30:03 pm

Dubai, on second thoughts I dont think I'll make it, why dubai

The competition has Middle Eastern backers. Hence the rumours (and I believe they are only rumours at this point) about games being played there.

But it looks like this won't be the case, at least not for the quarter-finals.

Nextgen have put the details of the QFs on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/nextgenseries

We play the winer of Group 4, which contradicts the tournament plan on their website:
http://www.nextgenseries.com/Tournament-news/Comments-and-Features/2011/08/~/media/Files/NextGen-Tournament-Planner.pdf

kopitecrash · « **Reply #33278 on:** November 21, 2011, 04:00:02 pm »

Highlights up on LFCTV.

kopitecrash · « **Reply #33279 on:** November 21, 2011, 04:25:08 pm »

Jack Dunn was apparently class, and he definately looked good. Several fizzing, near miss shots, great run to assist Moli (overall lovely goal - Quirk released Dunn with a great outside foot pass, Dunn squared and Moli took his time over the shot before burying it.) and his own finish was lovely - control with one foot, clean strike into the bottom corner with the other as if there was never a doubt he would score. Great stuff.