Author Topic: Ronaldinho - the fall from grace (Read 13370 times)

Macedonian_Red · « **Reply #120 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:25:44 pm »

Ronaldinho Agent In Barça Threat

Ronaldinho Gaúcho's brother and agent, Roberto Assis, has stated that the Brazilian star could use Article 17 of FIFA's transfer regulations to leave Camp Nou for only €16 million.

The Brazilian international's representative had guaranteed that the Barcelona footballer would stay on at Camp Nou until the end of the contract, which is due to expire in June 2010.

But Assis now claims Ronaldinho's situation at Barcelona to be wrecked because of the ongoing news concerning his life since he left Brazil.

According to him, the Brazilian playmaker does not refuse the possibility of using the Webster ruling, which would allow him to unilaterally break his contract with Barcelona at the end of the season, having only to pay a compensation equalling the amount of the final year's wages.

"We know that the release clause is set at €125 million but we also know of the Article 17, which would allow him to leave for a lot less," Assis told Globoesporte.com. "Everything is possible."

On the reports suggesting Assis to be interested in buying his brother for his own club, Porto Alegre, before engineering a transfer to another first-rate club, he stated: "It's absurd to put Porto Alegre, a small second-division club, in Ronaldinho's plans.

"His name must be linked with clubs like Real Madrid or Milan, without ever having to make a stop at Porto Alegre."

However, Assis has guaranteed that there are chances of 'Dinho staying on at Barcelona beyond the end of this season.

"What if Barça wins the Champions League? Who are they going to off-load if they are champions? With titles, everything is different," he concluded.

http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=637712

Crazyhorse7778 · « **Reply #121 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:30:21 pm »

Boro' have his signature in the bag.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #122 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:32:24 pm »

Quote from: Crazyhorse7778 on March 28, 2008, 01:30:21 pm

Boro' have his signature in the bag.

Nah, he's a Newcastle signing if ever there was one.

ouestlereferee · « **Reply #123 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:52:14 pm »

Quote from: RedFerLife on March 28, 2008, 01:32:24 pm

Nah, he's a Newcastle signing if ever there was one.

I'd imagine they'd be more tempted for Kewell on the basis of his injury record compared to Ronnie's.....

myrlas · « **Reply #124 on:** March 28, 2008, 01:53:33 pm »

He would be perfect for us of course. But he won't come here.

"Not proven in Premier League?"

Are you having a laugh?

If Lee Catermole, David Dunn, Lee Carsley can cut it, I'm prety certain a world player of the year can...

Dish shhh · « **Reply #125 on:** March 28, 2008, 05:00:43 pm »

Quote from: myrlas on March 28, 2008, 01:53:33 pm

He would be perfect for us of course. But he won't come here.

"Not proven in Premier League?"

Are you having a laugh?

If Lee Catermole, David Dunn, Lee Carsley can cut it, I'm prety certain a world player of the year can...

Morientes, Veron, Sheva.................

myrlas · « **Reply #126 on:** March 28, 2008, 09:33:43 pm »

Quote from: mcauleymichael on March 28, 2008, 05:00:43 pm

Morientes, Veron, Sheva.................

Since when did they become world player of the year?

ouestlereferee · « **Reply #127 on:** March 28, 2008, 09:52:57 pm »

Quote from: mcauleymichael on March 28, 2008, 05:00:43 pm

Morientes, Veron, Sheva.................

Compare the 1st season at their current clubs of:
Torres vs Bent
Torres vs Tevez
Kuyt vs Crouch
Hargreaves vs Carrick
Garcia (at Liverpool) vs Pennant
Evra vs A Cole
Lucas, Babel, Nani, or Anderson vs Bendtner, Walcott, or Lennon

Mascherano has basically been great for us from the very start, (I don't think you can count his 200-odd mins in a West Ham shirt as being a significant settling-in period)

BlaugranaPride · « **Reply #128 on:** March 28, 2008, 09:55:01 pm »

The new Rivaldo, I don't no why but we destroy always the best players of the world.

ouestlereferee · « **Reply #129 on:** March 28, 2008, 09:57:00 pm »

Quote from: BlaugranaPride on March 28, 2008, 09:55:01 pm

The new Rivaldo, I don't no why but we destroy always the best players of the world.

Thought for a moment you were a Liverpool fan suggesting the likes of Dirk & Voro are the best players in the world!

Phew!

Endoe · « **Reply #130 on:** March 29, 2008, 04:01:49 am »

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Maybe a new club will give him some motivation?

That's the 'god know how many millions of transfer money' question.

I'm pretty sure Rafa has a 'youth policy' in place, so won't happen. Probably Chelsea or x2 Milan as has been said.

10m or under and i'd love him here.

LiverpoolLankford · « **Reply #131 on:** March 29, 2008, 06:45:29 am »

I don't mind Ronaldinho..he seems a nice lad. Wish it would happen to Cristiano Ronaldo though..now he's a twat

mazlo123 · « **Reply #132 on:** March 29, 2008, 07:30:47 am »

£12million . . Yes please!

We need match winners . . Someone who can create something from nothing.

Torres
Ronnie Stevie Babel
Masch Alonso
Fabio Carra Agger Arby
Reina

If he performed to 50% of his potential thats a Premier Leage winning 11 for me.
Even with the lack of quality full backs.

Xxavi · « **Reply #133 on:** March 29, 2008, 03:36:07 pm »

IF any manager can motivate him, he'll be superb again. But is it possible?
I don't know. 12 million is a very little money for him, if he gets motivated

TipTopKop · « **Reply #134 on:** March 29, 2008, 07:18:09 pm »

Quote from: Mirra on March 27, 2008, 08:40:35 pm

Fat If thats being fat, i wouldnt mind being fat like him! I dont see how hes wasted his talent either, hes already won everything worth anything, made shit loads of money and is famous around the world. He really hasnt got anything else left to prove for me like.

nail on the head.

Macedonian_Red · « **Reply #135 on:** April 3, 2008, 11:12:27 pm »

Looks like we are after him ...

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Notizie/Calcio/24720/Ronaldinho+al+Milan

Tomaldinho · « **Reply #136 on:** April 4, 2008, 12:29:38 am »

MILAN, 3 you open them - For Ronaldinho it is pure row. There is a nourished list of squares interested to the Brazilian phenomenon, by now in route with Barcelona. The Milan, but, appears leggermente in advantage and an encounter happened yesterday between Galliani the brother-proxy of the player Roberto de Assis has not made other that to feed the voices: "the Milan is interested but it depends on many things. We are still in embryonic phase ", has said Ernesto Bronzetti, Fifa agent and adviser of the milanista market. "to say the truth - it has added - Roberto de Assis yesterday was directed to London and to Milan it has only called, therefore we have gone to supper together. If we wanted to hide and to make a negotiation sure we did not go from ' Giannino' ". CHAMPIONS? NOT E' a PROBLEM - Bronzetti has excluded that Ronaldinho can less decide its future to the Milan to second of the placing or in Champions of the rossonera square: "it does not mean nothing. To the Milan the players come even if the Goblet of the Champions is not made ". The PREMIER CALLS - the competition is high. In Premier there are clubs that would also make madnesses to obtain the cartellino of Ronaldinho. "offered Dinho does not lack it - Bronzetti has confirmed -. is not sure the last one arrived. Are tre-quattro squares interested to he, this are normal. The Chelsea of sure. And also the Liverpool

Manila Kop · « **Reply #137 on:** April 4, 2008, 02:09:47 am »

Quote from: Tomaldinho on April 4, 2008, 12:29:38 am

MILAN, 3 you open them - For Ronaldinho it is pure row. There is a nourished list of squares interested to the Brazilian phenomenon, by now in route with Barcelona. The Milan, but, appears leggermente in advantage and an encounter happened yesterday between Galliani the brother-proxy of the player Roberto de Assis has not made other that to feed the voices: "the Milan is interested but it depends on many things. We are still in embryonic phase ", has said Ernesto Bronzetti, Fifa agent and adviser of the milanista market. "to say the truth - it has added - Roberto de Assis yesterday was directed to London and to Milan it has only called, therefore we have gone to supper together. If we wanted to hide and to make a negotiation sure we did not go from ' Giannino' ". CHAMPIONS? NOT E' a PROBLEM - Bronzetti has excluded that Ronaldinho can less decide its future to the Milan to second of the placing or in Champions of the rossonera square: "it does not mean nothing. To the Milan the players come even if the Goblet of the Champions is not made ". The PREMIER CALLS - the competition is high. In Premier there are clubs that would also make madnesses to obtain the cartellino of Ronaldinho. "offered Dinho does not lack it - Bronzetti has confirmed -. is not sure the last one arrived. Are tre-quattro squares interested to he, this are normal. The Chelsea of sure. And also the Liverpool

That is one ugly translation. Si puo fare means yes he can doesn't it?

arfy05 · « **Reply #138 on:** April 4, 2008, 02:15:11 am »

Quote from: Armin on March 26, 2008, 11:35:51 am

I think mentally he left 18 months ago. Not good to see such a talent going through the motions.

I do think he did better last season than people gave him credit for, he scored 23 goals last year and was the numbers man for Barca in a period when Eto'o was out. He carried the goalscoring burden as Gudjohnsen and Saviola failed to replace Eto'o and Ezquerro was ineffective. He was not as dynamic last year in his play and the increasing poor physical conditioning done by Barca's poor physical team has affected Ronaldinho more than any other player. Ronaldinho having a bad season last year was a myth and more down to the high high standards set and expected of him, because in actuality he did a very productive season even if it lacked the most exhilarating football he has produced before.

This season though has been very bad and Barcelona don't work to fix it, they still have yet to sort out the physical set up and try to improve this teams conditioning or that of Ronaldinho. Heck bloody Paco Ayesteran is sat at home right now, one call and he turns the team of laggards into proper athletes who are in peak condition. Instead they embroil in the political slandering and try to disassociate themselves with Ronaldinho. Who at this time more than ever needs support as he is suffering a lot from alcohol abuse apparently and loneliness, this is a time for them to give unity and try to make sure that Ronaldinho is loved and physically well, not trying to flush him down the loo without anyone watching. That doesn't mean he is faultless either as he has let the success of his football affect his form. The commercial interests and living a superstar life that he has been living is his fault and that of hs bother/agent as he could have learnt to control himself and let his football do the talking.

I don't think we have seen the last of Ronaldinho and we may see him exhilarate people again in a way only Maradona has done in recent times but I sense it will be in individual matches as opposed to sustained periods of time and that the best Ronaldinho has come and flashed by.

jooneyisdagod · « **Reply #139 on:** April 4, 2008, 05:36:00 am »

If he can knock off the few extra pounds and regain his motivation, he will be the best player in the world bar none. The natural talent he possesses is astounding. 12 m is an absolute bargain.

Manila Kop · « **Reply #140 on:** April 4, 2008, 08:10:47 am »

Quote from: jooneyisdagod on April 4, 2008, 05:36:00 am

If he can knock off the few extra pounds and regain his motivation, he will be the best player in the world bar none. The natural talent he possesses is astounding. 12 m is an absolute bargain.

For 12 million it would be worth a punt. A change of scenery, a new challenge, the adulation of the Kop, a whole new set of teammates not treating him as a black sheep - there's still some magic left in him for a few more years.

alfonso · « **Reply #141 on:** April 4, 2008, 09:52:12 am »

12 million for him is a steal.

Vinay · « **Reply #142 on:** April 4, 2008, 09:54:02 am »

Quote from: Manila Kop on April 4, 2008, 08:10:47 am

For 12 million it would be worth a punt. A change of scenery, a new challenge, the adulation of the Kop, a whole new set of teammates not treating him as a black sheep - there's still some magic left in him for a few more years.

Some magic? Even with one bad leg and 10 extra pounds this man can conjure a 19th title out of his butt when teamed with Torres, Babel, Mascherano and Gerrard.

Manila Kop · « **Reply #143 on:** April 4, 2008, 09:59:03 am »

Quote from: Vinay on April 4, 2008, 09:54:02 am

Some magic? Even with one bad leg and 10 extra pounds this man can conjure a 19th title out of his but when teamed with Torres, Babel, Mascherano and Gerrard.

Not if he doesn't want to play games due to an imaginary leg injury.

bryanod · « **Reply #144 on:** April 4, 2008, 10:02:33 am »

If we didn't even look at him for 12m then I'd be shocked and appalled.

jazw · « **Reply #145 on:** April 4, 2008, 11:38:12 am »

For 12m he could be decent for us if Rafa got him motivated and fully fit. If it didn't work out we could still probably sell him to one of the Milans for decent money so I don't think it would be that big a gamble.

Hot Cross Bun · « **Reply #146 on:** April 4, 2008, 11:47:38 am »

£12m is a great price. The club would make that back in 2 seasons from shirt sales alone as he is probably still in the top 5 players in terms of bankability.

MarkML · « **Reply #147 on:** April 4, 2008, 01:39:02 pm »

Apart from an immense attacking threat,he offers nothing definsively to a team.I just cant see Benitez being interested in a player who is like that.He would add the extra bit of flair and pace we crave but it would be so much of a risk depending on his lack of motivation/sharpness/age and for a price which almost certainly be in excess of 16million.

Besides that though i cant see abramovich letting him through his grasp and if not that,then certainly milan with the incentive of playing alongside kaka

MarkML · « **Reply #148 on:** April 4, 2008, 01:40:45 pm »

Quote from: jazw on April 4, 2008, 11:38:12 am

For 12m he could be decent for us if Rafa got him motivated and fully fit. If it didn't work out we could still probably sell him to one of the Milans for decent money so I don't think it would be that big a gamble.

Would they be stupid enough to still buy him?

..........oh wait hang on a minute-whats that fat c*nt ac bought again?ronaldo or something??

Jin · « **Reply #149 on:** April 4, 2008, 03:07:52 pm »

Quote from: MarkML on April 4, 2008, 01:39:02 pm

Apart from an immense attacking threat,he offers nothing definsively to a team.I just cant see Benitez being interested in a player who is like that.

We've got enough players who do the defensive work, we need more matchwinners

MBL? · « **Reply #150 on:** April 4, 2008, 06:44:16 pm »

Quote from: MarkML on April 4, 2008, 01:40:45 pm

Would they be stupid enough to still buy him?

..........oh wait hang on a minute-whats that fat c*nt ac bought again?ronaldo or something??

That fat c*nt who wasn't fat anymore and was scoring goals again before his injury?? The answer would be yes they will try and buy him.

Tomaldinho · « **Reply #151 on:** April 4, 2008, 06:49:34 pm »

Quote from: MarkML on April 4, 2008, 01:40:45 pm

Would they be stupid enough to still buy him?

..........oh wait hang on a minute-whats that fat c*nt ac bought again?ronaldo or something??

Fucking rediculous statement you clearly dont have a clue what you're talking about

80s_Red · « **Reply #152 on:** April 4, 2008, 07:28:25 pm »

It's amazing how a player can go from being god's gift to football to well...someone who isn't, in the space of just 2 years.

Djibriliant · « **Reply #153 on:** April 4, 2008, 07:42:09 pm »

Quote from: wickolfc on March 26, 2008, 02:00:44 pm

Ronaldinho to Chelsea and Lampard to Barca.

I can see that happening to be honest

Macedonian_Red · « **Reply #154 on:** April 4, 2008, 11:17:57 pm »

Quote from: Djibriliant on April 4, 2008, 07:42:09 pm

I can see that happening to be honest

Yeah ... I can also see Lampard displacing Iniesta or Xavi from the Barca team ...

Gnurglan · « **Reply #155 on:** April 4, 2008, 11:43:57 pm »

Looks like he's on his way. My guess is Milan.

CraigDS · « **Reply #156 on:** March 5, 2020, 01:10:15 pm »

Fitting thread title.

Seems he has been caught using a fake passport

Had his real ones confiscated due to unpaid taxes so think he’s got himself some fake ones to travel still

conman · « **Reply #157 on:** March 5, 2020, 01:19:29 pm »

Quote from: Craig 🤔 on March 5, 2020, 01:10:15 pm

Fitting thread title.

Seems he has been caught using a fake passport

Had his real ones confiscated due to unpaid taxes so think he’s got himself some fake ones to travel still

The irony is that he didn't need a passport to cross the border from Brazil.

Broad Spectrum · « **Reply #158 on:** March 5, 2020, 01:33:35 pm »

You can take the boy out of the favela...

CraigDS · « **Reply #159 on:** March 5, 2020, 01:34:21 pm »

Quote from: Broad Spectrum on March 5, 2020, 01:33:35 pm

You can take the boy out of the favela...

Not without his passport you can’t.