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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2010, 02:34:36 pm »
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2010, 02:54:25 pm »
I want to us to play decent, attacking football and be feared by teams far and wide.
I want us to believe we can win every competition that we enter.

I want opposing players to look at the "This is Anfield" sign and shit themselves.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2010, 02:55:25 pm »
I want us to have a goal of atleast 4 premier league titles by 2020

I like that one :)

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2010, 02:58:33 pm »
The 2020 vision

Who would have thought that the last ten years was to be like this? After all, in 2010 we had this terrible year. To keep it short: we had a Chelsea fan as chairman of our board. He actually helped save us from going into administration. He got the club sold. The fans campaigned against the American owners (the former owners), all over the world. Email compaigns were used to target potential re-financers of the debt. And it worked. The debt wasn't re-financed.

And this is without going into the complete mess when this board, that saved us from administration, most probably undermined the manager we had. That manager, who had won us the CL was, ironically as it may seem, one of those who were actively against the owners at the time. If you don't think this is bad enough, there were even talks that some of our own players undermined the same manager and even managed to get their own pick in. The replacement being a manager with a far worse track record, despite having been in the game since the end of the Vietnam war. And one of our new owners' first decisions was to hire a DoF based on a recommendations from a baseball man. Yepp. Hard to imagine. I know. It was hard even back then.

Then we turned the page. We changed the structure of the club. The new owners were wiser than we could have expected. No experience from the game, but they listened to the right people, then appointed the right people. Their choice of manager was a key decision and they got it spot on. Who would have thought? And it's because of those key decisions that were made in late 2010 and early 2011 that we are where we are now.

We have a new philosophy. It's been described in many ways. I prefer the description that calls it a modern pass and move. One of the men who created it was Kenny Dalglish. In short, if we start on the pitch, it begins with how we train at the Academy. We teach players the core skills of football. Sure we have all the latest technology to help us, we have skilled medical staff and all that. But it's the things you can't easily spot, the real core football skills that makes the difference. We teach players how to pass to the team mates' best foot, to a player in movement and then to follow up by being ready for the next pass. Things like that. It's the dna of the club and has been since Shankly. When you come to visit a training session, things may look really simple. It's deceptive. Which is why visitors often fail to understand the quality they have in front of themselves.
 
For a player, this philosophy means that when he moves up from one team to another, he feels right at home. The only things that really change are the experience, speed and skills of the players. And naturally, the coaches also feel at home. It is not uncommon for us to have senior, even first team coaches check on the progress of our own youngsters. They even hold training sessions. Players don't always see much of a difference from their normal routines, but it's inspiring for them to know they have the eyes of a first team coach watching them. It's a system that serves the youth coaches as well. They take part, even take charge of some training sessions of the Reserves or first team. That is our way of breeding our own management team. And because the style is so similar between our teams these days, it's an easy task. There is a natural link from the Academy all the way up to the first team.
 
Our managers are no longer picked at random. In fact we can't do that anymore. We need someone who understands what we are about. There is no way we can afford changing direction every two, three or four years and there is no need to either. Changing the direction of a club is a slow process. It can't be done in a couple of years. It most definitely cannot be made every couple of years. So it helps that there is a whole range of coaches within our own club who understands the philosophy. The only problem being that many of them are targeted by other clubs.
 
And now we are back to the key appointments when we got new owners in 2010. Some people, myself included, were sceptical back then. Sceptical that NESV, with no previous experience of football could get things right. Turned out they didn't have to. They just had an eye for talented people and they hired them to do the work for them.

So what did NESV do themselves? They did what every good board has to do. They focused on the long term stability of the club. Finances are now healthy. In 2010, we had been through so much talk and no action when it came to the new stadium. Yes, I know we rebuilt Anfield instead, but that wasn't the plan. Yet there it is. A top modern facility, with the old tradition of being a place where everyone wants to play and every opponent fears to be. Perhaps this has also been given a new start due to the fan initiatives. Do you recall that back in 2010, the atmosphere didn't always get going? Fans knew why and managed to get NESV on board with their ideas. Now you can hear it's a home ground for LFC. Perhaps NESV's greatest contribution has been their ability to put the pieces together.

So when you step in at Anfield to watch the best team in Europe play the next time, remember that things were not always like this. It took some brave decisions and hard work. And it started back in 2010. 

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2010, 03:07:00 pm »
I’d like us to be in the middle of a new era similar the post shankly era and to emulate that success in a similar fashion. A club with a complete golden thread of determined togetherness from the board through to the manager, the players, the youth team and the fans. A common objective to win.

Realistically, it needn’t necessarily be dominance – just capable, likely and challenging to obtain, hopefully, number 23 or 24 edging towards the first ever team to win a quarter of a century of league titles.

The board would have a strategic financial vision that had created sustainable and profitable international, income streams and be shrewd in the transfer market by investing in at least one world class player each season.

Consisting of promoted-from-within, erudite football visionaries, the management team would still “get” the club and what Liverpool was 40 years ago and respect its traditions, values and fans.

The academy would be successful, producing at least one Premier League (or equivalent) class player each season who would make his first team debut, joining 2 or 3 others who’d made their debuts in previous seasons.

The balance would be a mix of world class internationals with established English quality players.

We’d win a trophy or two every season and challenge for the title until the very last game of the season. And I’d like that to be achieved by a team that plays tenacious but fluid football.

It would be celebrated and supported by fans no longer divided, in an Anfield stadium with an improved Anfield Road end and a massive, modern main stand.

The club would remember the 96 with visiting fans paying bi-weekly respect at the 30th year remembrance monument erected adjacent to the new main stand.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2010, 03:13:54 pm »
I just want us to pass and move, and press the opposition all over the pitch, who was it who said that football was a simple game made complicated?

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2010, 03:21:07 pm »
On the pitch we should aim to win every competition we enter and we need to reinvest all our operating profit off the pitch in the playing squad to have even the slightest chance to do this.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2010, 05:33:46 pm »
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2010, 08:29:53 pm »
I want us to be a small family club, but I want us to be giants of the sport.

I want us to have huge matchday revenues, but I want us to stay at Anfield forever.

I want us to act gentlemanly to everyone else, but I want us to stand up for ourselves.

I want us to play fair on the pitch, but I want us to win at all costs.

I want us to be modest, but I want us to be cocky.

I want us to play fancy football, but I want us to be direct.

I want a young, upcoming manager, but I want a manager with experience of winning.

I want us to bring youth into the team, but I want us to buy big players.

I want us to be well run, but I want us to spend money.

I want the club to listen to our fans, but I want the club to ignore a lot of our fans.

I want a scouse heartbeat, but I want the best foreign players.


I guess the question is, can we find the balance?  Can we put ourselves in a position where all of these are possible, where business and corinthian spirit stand shoulder to shoulder? 
Maybe we can't, maybe it's an impossiblility but I just want us to at least try.
Was wondering what to post, but Art has it all there. Yes. Exactly that.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2010, 08:37:48 pm »
I want us to be the benchmark. On our perch with everyone trying, and failing, to knock us off.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #50 on: November 28, 2010, 12:43:34 am »
I want us to be working class scouse but to welcome the rest of the world, both parochial and internationalist not English like all of the rest. I want to watch a team that plays as a unstoppable unit but contains virtuoso players who are content to be cogs in the machine. A team that plays with a unity that transports it to a higher level than the sum of its parts. I want us to be innovators who challenge the orthodoxy because we're a step ahead of the game but at the same time respect tradition and  remember the Liverpool way.
 
I want the press to hate us but begrudingly admire us all the same. I want others to try and copy us but always fail.  I want our fans to be leaders always two step ahead of the game, to be feared but cultured and magnaminious all the same. To be sporting and generous but able to destroy you if step out of line.
 
The mad thing is I've already seen this and I want to return again but we'll never see it without a manager with a vision, who's lifetime project involves standing on the shoulders of our giants to get a head start in his game. A man who's aim is to build a dynasty not just a three year plan. Without the dream and the vision the sad thing is the effect on the fans who's tradition is strangled and broken and we end up not being much different from those who we can't stand.
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #51 on: November 28, 2010, 12:46:00 am »

 
The mad thing is I've already seen this and I want to return again but we'll never see it without a manager with a vision, who's lifetime project involves standing on the shoulders of our giants to get a head start in his plan. A man who's aim is to build a dynasty not just a three year plan.
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2010, 11:14:52 am »
Off the pitch.....a club that does it's business behind closed doors, not through the media. Dirty linen should not be hung out in public.

On the pitch....a team that plays to try and win home and away. It's all very well playing well at home, but playing negatively away from home at places like Wigan and Birmingham should not be acceptable. 

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2010, 11:55:19 am »
I want us to be a club where the opposition fans would remember the pre match buzz and togetherness as the time of their lives - even if they lost the european cup final later on the evening.

I want us to be a club who can adopt to the changes in the game, but still keep the core values as a framework. Those values are/should be written in stone by the man who made the club.

I want us to be a club who is respected. I want us to be fans who are respected. I want us to have players who are respected. I want us to have a manager who is respected. I want us to have owners who are respected and a board who is respected.

I want us to be a club with a true, official and unofficial long term identity.

Shankly is dead. Paisley is dead. Fagan is dead. Pass and move is dead. Nostalgia is dead.

Liverpool Fooball Club will live on forever.

Learning from history, but creating a future that holds it's own values and is comparable to any period in time.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2010, 10:33:27 am »
been trying to think about this and there are some very good stabs at it in here that mirror what I'm thinking but the Barca promo keeps sticking in my head 'more than a club' - we dont need a logo to tell us we are 'more than a club' but it would be good to encapsulate it in some way -

so a phrase or somesuch? 'You'll never walk alone'  maybe - but it needs context - it needs to be clear why you never walk alone -  it needs to cover Shanks quote on socialism - its needs to put in context football being more important than life and death, second being nowhere and Liverpool existing solely to win trophies - three badly misunderstood quotes which some people who should know better need to learn

the club exists for its community - Hillsborough and its aftermath showed what LFC is about - not silverware at all  but people - the club exists for its community, to reflect that community and help bind it together  - its ingenuity, humour, passion and basic decency - tinged with pride and arrogance

ok the community is now world wide but the same basic values should still apply - reclaim the kop tried to show one way but were quicjkly howled down as uber fans by those who felt disenfranchised

all in all very tricky putting it into 21st century marketing speak - we have largely forgotten what made us special - the unity, vision and single minded purpose that was instilled by Shankly - thats what we need to recapture if we can do that success will follow

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2010, 11:09:22 am »
I'll just say what I think our club needs to do and by our club, I mean the administrative and footballing side of things. 

Firstly, I'll be a bit controversial and say that the days of a manager coming in and being responsible for the club from the top to the bottom is done.  However, I think such a notion that is prevalent in Britain and this notion perhaps owes much to the perseverance that the Liverpool board showed managers in the past and the reverence that the fans showered the managers with.  However, Shankly and Paisely were backed by the bootroom and as such the notion of the manager being the be all and the end all of the club was perhaps a perversion of what actually happened. 

Hence, I think that we've got to go back to what used to work for us and that is provide the manager a bootroom so to speak.  Of course, things have changed and managers don't talk tactics over a drink and a pack of smokes in a dingy room and modern football clubs have perhaps a larger support team in the form of a full scouting network, a number of coaches and so on.  We've got to now harness all of that to produce a consensus when it comes to footballing decisions at the club and for that reason, I'm very happy with the fact that a Director of Football has been appointed.  And I hope this Director of Football in conjunction with Kenny and Sammy Lee since they are the two people at the club who actually know what this club is about come up with a blueprint of how the club should play.  Everyone now has a decent idea as to how Barca play.  People know how Arsenal play.  But how many people can actually what Liverpool's footballing philosophy is ?  We've gone from the aggressive pass and move of Roy Evans to the counter attacking of Houllier to the possession based machine like efficiency of Rafa and now back to the sit deep and counter approach of Roy and during this time players have come and gone, important players declared meaningless and new players brought in to suit the new manager's needs and this process has been repeated ad nauseum.   

What I'm advocating is establishing a footballing blueprint.  Hire managers that can work within this blueprint.  Of course there is going to be subtle differences but as long as the differences are just subtle, we shouldn't have a problem with continuity at the club.  Every now and again, we are back to square one and that helps no one at the club really. 

Secondly, the club needs to compete commercially.  A prerequisite for this is a new stadium IMO.  However, it is important and John Henry has spoken about this as well, to realize that Liverpool is not London and people cannot necessarily afford the prices that Chelsea charge.  To cut a long story short, I believe the club should charge the rich and spare the poor so to speak.  Have low prices on the Kop, let the next generation of fans be able to afford to watch the club play.  Make first class amenities available for the box seats and charge them a suitable amount.  Shankly was a believer in socialism and there is a reason why it reverberates with Liverpool fans and its important that the new owners are smart enough to use the principles of the club to suit their needs. 

Thirdly, the fans, well I wish we could have a fresh start.  The H&G era has really pushed us back.  Now, lets hope for a completely fresh start.  Install the blueprint I talked about earlier and then get in a manager that will stay true to it.  A manager who stands for what this club represents.  The three musketeers said it best, "one for all, all for one". 

So in many ways, what I'm clamouring for is what we used to do in the past ever so well.  We call it the Liverpool way.  Over many years, that phrase has taken a number of connotations but the underlying principles remain the same.  Help your mates and they'll help you.  Everyone together in a pursuit of something that is beyond them ordinarily.  A team that is truly greater than the sum of its parts.  We've got the personnel to do it.  We've got the know how or at least resources of know how.  Of course football has changed and Directors can no longer just stick around and sign cheques.  They've got to generate revenues so that the cheques don't bounce and that isn't as easy as it sounds.   However, I reiterate that the underpinning principles are the same.  We've got to use them to get everyone back together.  And when everyone pulls together, I'm sure we can reap the rewards. 

P.S. I'm not a great writer unless I sit to write and this wasn't one of those days.  And even when I sit to write, I'm hardly wordsworth, so I apologize if there is little coherence or structure.
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2010, 11:13:49 am »
I want us to be a small family club, but I want us to be giants of the sport.

I want us to have huge matchday revenues, but I want us to stay at Anfield forever.

I want us to act gentlemanly to everyone else, but I want us to stand up for ourselves.

I want us to play fair on the pitch, but I want us to win at all costs.

I want us to be modest, but I want us to be cocky.

I want us to play fancy football, but I want us to be direct.

I want a young, upcoming manager, but I want a manager with experience of winning.

I want us to bring youth into the team, but I want us to buy big players.

I want us to be well run, but I want us to spend money.

I want the club to listen to our fans, but I want the club to ignore a lot of our fans.

I want a scouse heartbeat, but I want the best foreign players.


I guess the question is, can we find the balance?  Can we put ourselves in a position where all of these are possible, where business and corinthian spirit stand shoulder to shoulder? 
Maybe we can't, maybe it's an impossiblility but I just want us to at least try.
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2010, 11:27:41 am »
Liverpool football club should be rooted firmly in the community in which it is set and from which it draws its fans. At all times it should strive to make those in that community proud, by being successful, by the manner in which the team plays, by the manner in which the players handle themselves, by the manner in which the club behaves. 

The club should strive for success at the highest level and be prepared to pay for the best players in order to do this, but should retain a grounded humility even at the height of these successes.  Let your football do the talking. 

The club should strive for commercial success and aim to grow revenues, but in doing so should always ensure that the fans, who are what make this club special are dealt with fairly and not priced out of watching their team. 

A great man once observed that football is a simple game, a game in which a team that works hard and plays as a team will prevail against eleven primadonnas.  The clubs footballing philosophy should reflect this, promote a progressive passing style of play based around hard work, movement and the team ethos.  No one player shall ever be bigger than the team.

The role of manager at Liverpool football club is crucial.  As fans we bond more with managers than we do with players. It is a cliche but we are "different" and the manager must instinctively grasp that difference.  Any manager who does this and "gets" the fans will get support and patience beyond that at any other side.  Any manager who fails to understand is not a suitable manager for this club.

The role of the board of directors is to be faciliatators to the manager. That is all.  They shall not become media spokesmen, they shall not involve themselves in team affairs. They are there to sign the cheques, or more fully to ensure that the manager has everything he needs at his disposal in order to ensure that the team is successful.

Liverpool has always faced out to the world rather than inwards to England. Out first ever team contained no Englishmen and many of the legends who litter our history are similarly not English.  While we want to ensure that the club coaches and coaxes the very best from local lads we also want to see the best young players from all over the world being given the chance to become local heroes.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2010, 04:01:50 pm »
I do not wish that the club's main vision should be focused on trying to turn back time. It is not possible and therefore not wise.

I'd love to see a Liverpool where young, promising prospects wants to play because they can grow here and become part of a movement more than being a player in a squad of players.
I'd love to see a Liverpool with confidence, who do not fear the fourth goal when down 3-0 in halftime.
I'd love to see a Liverpool who values a solid performance more than points.
I'd love to see a Liverpool who are just as likely to spend £20m on strengthening the academy just as spending the money on a big signing. Big money will get us one big player for a period of time. Big money might also give us a team for a long time.
I'd love to see an academy where the best England has to offer is playing side by side with the top prospects of Europe and the World under the guidance of experienced former players with leadership skills.
I'd love to see a Liverpool who values the right mentality and spirit of both players and leaders more than a good ability to cross the ball.
I'd love to see Liverpool playing in a large stadium with prizes so low that a full house can be guaranteed for every game. The revenue should be coming from sponsorship and souveniers and the sold out stadium will keep the demand high.
I'd like to see a dignified Liverpool.
I'd like to see a Liverpool that stands up for their own.
I'd like to see a Kop that stands up for Liverpool.
I'd want a competative Liverpool.
I'd want a structure and philosophy other teams are trying to copy. We shouldn't be talking about the Barcelona-model, nor the Ajax-model. Barcelona and Ajax should be talking about the Liverpool way.

Team
Liverpool should be pacy, strong, elegant, energetic, ruthless and controlling at the same time. We should not focus on crosses into the box. Neither should we keep the ball on the ground at all times. Liverpool should be unpredictable, always being capable of changing the gameplan at our will regardless of what the other team are doing. The main focus should be on attack. Three points are always better than one point, but one point is not always better than zero points if the chance of getting three by pushing forward is decent enough. Everything we do on the pitch should have a purpose. 

Players
Our LB and RB shouldn't be afraid of pushing forward. We should at all times look for clever goaltenders who can contribute to the game in more ways than just stopping shots. Our CBs needs to be big, strong and skillful. Our def. mid should be nasty but smart players who knows when to make a tackle. Our att. mid should be one with a feared shot and with a good enough passing game to set up the strikers. Our strikers should be quick, big and strong. Our wingers should be fast, skilled and hard to read. Their shooting ability needs to be just as good as their crosses. These are the players we should be looking for in the transfer markets. These are the players we want to groom in the academy. If a winger is injured, every other player in the same position should know how to fill their shoes.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2010, 04:40:56 pm »
I want us playing in a New Anfield that is regarded as being amongst the best , most distinctive and atmospheric stadium built in the 21st century. A stadium which brings pride to the Club, the City and our country.

I want "our country" to absolutely fucking despise everything to do with us.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2010, 05:17:17 pm »
Liverpool 2010 Mission Statement

"Liverpool FC’s mission is to be the most successful football club in the world by delivering the best fan experience both in our home stadium and in all the markets we serve. In doing so Liverpool FC will meet our supporter’s expectations of:
•   Highest Quality Football
•   Club acknowledgment of supporter importance
•   Respect for other clubs and their staff if reciprocated
•   Leading technology and fitness expertise
•   Competitive pricing for Tickets
•   Individual and club accountability
•   Best-in-class stadium experience
•   Financial stability
From here on in its all FSG's doing. Good or bad they will stand or fall by the decisions they have made in the summer of 2012. Lets hope they have gotten it right.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2010, 05:35:41 pm »
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To step inside New Anfield is to realise just how well NESV – owners of Liverpool FC for ten years now – have been able to reconcile the two great opposing forces in association football: the relentless drive to the future, the tenacious hold of the past. No club in world football honours its own history more than Liverpool, as envious away fans queue up to testify. The past looms like an Alp in the collective imagination of the supporters – the cups, the legends, the triumphs and disasters. Yet, in the last ten years, no club has possessed a sharper cutting-edge when it comes to innovation – both on the field and off it.  “The past looks after itself because millions of supporters tend its memory” says John W Henry. “The future, we plan for every day”.

This is true from the Boot Room, where manager Xabi Alonso masterminded last year’s 24th league title and the club’s second successive European Cup victory, to the board room where Henry and his team have absolutely grasped what Liverpool supporters told them on day one – ‘this is our club’ - and turned what might have been a deadweight idea into an astounding commercial advantage. Uniquely to English football the board contains two supporters’ representatives with full voting rights. “We found we couldn’t keep saying how much we honour and trust the fans and not back this up by giving them some power”, says Henry. “Nor can you keep that level of wisdom about Liverpool FC permanently on the outside. It doesn’t make sense. We needed it at the very centre of the club where decisions are made about the stadium, about ticketing and pricing, about fan welfare. Anything else was inefficient and we don’t do inefficient”. 

And now the rest of English football looks on in envy. Liverpool has become the club where a seemingly endless procession of local talent finds its way into the first team and where the world’s greatest players long to join them. The youngsters are educated to play in the classical ‘Liverpool way’ from an early age; the established stars are chosen because they fit the mentality of the team and the culture of the club. “We don’t necessarily get the biggest names in world football. Often they cost too much anyway. But we do get the ones most appropriate for the aggressive, attack-based way we play”, says Alonso. “Footballers want to play in successful teams, for sure. But they also want to play in teams which value possession and put the accent on skill. They’re no different from other practising artists. They love to push their talents and to express themselves. We encourage that at Anfield. We also value long-term thinking which intelligent players always appreciate. A few high-profile stars like being gypsies, constantly on the move. But increasingly we have found that the best players in the world want to be one or two-club men – like Steven Gerrard or Paulo Maldini or Ian Callaghan”.

It’s not just the trophies which attract players to Liverpool of course. It’s the whole Liverpool FC experience. Walking past the beautiful memorials to Hillsborough and Heysel to the imposing entrance of the New Anfield grandstand, the visitor is already primed for an experience beyond the run-of-the-mill. There’s no talk of ‘brands’ here, or ‘franchises’. New Anfield is New Anfield, not the Barcap Soccerdome as Old Trafford became two years ago, or The Tesco Soccerama-Experience as Evertonians must now call their home-ground on the outskirts of  Ormskirk. Even the famous red Liverpool shirt – which carries the name of ‘Medecines Sans Frontiers’ – is testament to the enduring class of the club. True enough, the club has not been shy in developing a commercial empire in the Far East and – more surprisingly – North America, but the culture of capitalism is refreshingly absent from the New Anfield stadium itself. The place is a temple to football. Nothing else. A cynic might say that this, itself, is a ‘brand’ and a ‘mission statement’. Henry says “Let them. We know what we’ve built in Stanley Park, and it’s unique”.

It certainly is. As you walk under the venerable ‘This is Anfield’ sign – removed from the old ground when the wrecking crews came in and given pride of place in the players’ tunnel for the opening of the new arena in August 2014 – you emerge into the most famous football stadium in the world. On the left and in front of you the vast double-deckers rear up and fill the sky. No giant tv screens exist inside New Anfield  – the supporters’ reps on the board put the kibosh on that. “We felt that it encouraged people to gawp at replays of a near-miss just at the moment when supporters normally upped the volume and drove the team on to make amends”, says one of them, Fat Scouser. John Henry listened, as he did over the 39th game which was dropped like a hot tatty.

And on the right, as you emerge from the tunnel, is the mighty sweep of the new single–tier Spion Kop with its astonishing acoustics and famously cheap seats and unreserved sections. Asked why it contains 29,000 seats Henry says “We wanted to beat the old record, but not smash it”. And then the grandstand itself, a thrilling combination of high-tec and traditional – an immediate design classic on its unveiling, gesturing back to the old Archibald Leith stand that once graced Anfield between the wars and up until the 1960s. “We hated the idea of building an identikit stadium with no individual personality” says Henry. “British football stadiums were always different to the rest of the world, and we made sure to incorporate some of that character into New Anfield. From day one, this place seemed like home”. “And we still haven’t lost here” adds Alonso.

Naturally the place is full every other week. But why wouldn’t it be? The quality of football Liverpool have been serving up for the past 8 years has been out of this world. “Every player is capable of beating a man” says club captain Pepe Reina -poised this season to match Phil Neal as the club’s most-ever decorated player. “The emphasis is on attacking from the back, speed, collective endeavour, helping each other out, no exceptions. Socialism if you like. Maybe we over-relied on effort and not enough skill when I first came to Liverpool. Now a player has to have both or they aren’t a Liverpool player”. The youth teams, the reserves all play according to the devastating formula. “The average size of the team has probably gone down a bit”, admits Reina, “but we learned that size does not necessarily equal power. It affected the way we chose and developed kids and it had a knock-on effect at first team level. We’ve corrected that. It was a marvellous advantage to have that knowledge first”. Dani Pacheco, now in his 13th season at Liverpool, was a pioneer. “People said I was too small for the Premier League”, he remembers, “and they couldn’t believe it when I knocked Dirk Kuyt out of the team”. “Looking back on it now that was the turning point” acknowledges Reina. “It helped that he scored a hattrick against the Mancs I suppose”.

As the club prepares to open its doors to the city for the 31st anniversary of the  Hillsborough disaster, the club and the fans have much to be happy about. “Justice has been done at last – a big thanks to Andy Burnham and the new Labour government for that - and this may be the last time we gather in such vast numbers for the commemoration”, says general manager Sir Kenny Dalglish. “But of course we shall never forget. That would be impossible”.

But what next for this great club? What else is there after this?  “One day I won’t be here, at least not as the coach and manager”, says Alonso reflectively. “But  it’s important the succession goes well and we continue to be at the forefront of innovation. The game is changing quickly. It always does and therefore we should be prepared”. His face betrays an uncharacteristic anguish. “Look at what happened to Man Utd once Ferguson went. They collapsed. Maybe that had something to do with the extraordinary events surrounding his dismissal, the arrest and the trial and what not. But the fact is their club hadn’t thought about what happened next, even though they’d had 20 years to prepare. Now they are playing Oldham on Saturday and we are preparing for the Barcelona game. That’s tough. ”
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2010, 06:59:14 pm »
I have to grudgingly admire how you got Dirk Kuyt and a new Labour government into that Yorky
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2010, 07:02:03 pm »
I have to grudgingly admire how you got Dirk Kuyt and a new Labour government into that Yorky

 ;D A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.....
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2010, 08:53:32 pm »
Simple, I want us to be the Scouse Barcelona and to have been obviously that for at least five years.
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2010, 08:36:05 am »
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Fascinating post.  Thoroughly enjoyable read.  Putting this in the important posts thread if it hasn't made its way there already. 
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The chants for Kenny Dalglish that were heard again on Wednesday do not necessarily mean that the fans see him as the saviour. This is not Newcastle, longing for the return of Kevin Keegan. Simply, Dalglish represents everything Hodgson is not and, in fairness, everything Hodgson could or would not hope to be.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2010, 11:21:02 am »
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Absolutely amazing! One of the best posts I've ever read.  Brilliant
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2010, 11:54:38 am »
brilliant post yorkykopite.
did you know that 10 x 2 and 11 x 2 have the same answer?

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2010, 12:41:41 pm »
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I'm glad I got me post in directly ahead of that masterpiece Yorky......talk about blown out of the water  ;).....great post as per usual.
From here on in its all FSG's doing. Good or bad they will stand or fall by the decisions they have made in the summer of 2012. Lets hope they have gotten it right.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2010, 12:53:49 pm »
I'm glad I got me post in directly ahead of that masterpiece Yorky......talk about blown out of the water  ;).....great post as per usual.

Not at all mate. I just went down your list and added stuff.
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2010, 12:58:09 pm »
Edit: What did old Ferguson get done for in the end?

Officially rape, murder, larceny and embezzlement. Unofficially of course the truth was much worse. I wouldn't like to post it.
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2010, 01:07:31 pm »
Absolutely brilliant Yorky. I would place pre-orders if you ever write a book.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2010, 01:09:27 pm »
Not at all mate. I just went down your list and added stuff.

 ;D ;D

Glad to help mate....


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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #74 on: December 1, 2010, 10:06:41 am »
What a post this is! Absolutely brilliant.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #75 on: December 4, 2010, 08:55:37 am »
I want our Liverpool to press, press, press ah high up and as vicious as there is when they lose the ball. And when they win it, they keep it and keep and keep it until the right moment arrives.

Football at Anfield should no longer be a sporting competition, it is a spectacle. Th main goal is to entertain the fans (and fans are not entertained if they lose or draw).
All I want to see in Anfield are fans in awe of the abilities of predominantly locally-grown team with a few supplements of Torres/Hyppia like players where necssary.
We should have the biggest youth scouting network in the world, we should value quality and brains over brawns and height and aim to make Liverpool fc a culture rather than just the greatest club in the world

Off the field I want a group of quiet board members, who maximize profit and seize economically-beneficial opportunities. But only to pump that money into the club, locally and even globally to help spread the Liverpool culture.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #76 on: December 4, 2010, 10:57:04 am »
1. Liverpool FC exists as a source of pride for its fans and for the city it calls home.

2. Achieving continual success on and off the pitch will be a by product of upholding the core values of the club, namely; 
 - professionalism and excellence at all levels
 - honouring the clubs history
 - individual brilliance married to a "team first" ethic
 - discovering and developing youth talent
 - playing the game with passion, fluency and style (as we did across Europe on many occasions)

3. Liverpool FC will be an example of unity and respect - between the club, the players, the manager, the owners, and the fans worldwide. None of us will ever walk alone.

4. The clubs roots are in Liverpool, but the club encompasses and welcomes all who share the passion and principles made famous in our history, regardless of colour, creed, religion, race, location or nationality.

5. The club is more than just the team, more than just the stadium, more than just a brand. We, the 12th man, are the voice, the heart and the memory of the team. We will always be there, through wind and rain, championships and finals, triumph and tragedy. We are a team of millions, but one family. We come from everywhere, to stand in our bastion of invincibility and support our team, because this is Anfield, and this is our home.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #77 on: December 4, 2010, 03:00:55 pm »
A club that identifies more with it's roots,encourages local youngsters to come to the game.Realistic ticket prices(they are outrageous at the present time).
Staying at and redeveloping Anfield.
Our "fans" to regain some of the class that we used to have,the treatment of Benitez (by some) and Hodgson(almost everyone it seems) has been appalling.

  However I doubt any of this will happen,we will lose even more of our identity,and will probably end of sharing a ground with thae shower of shite from across the park.
  Fans will become more and more like the rest in the country,with "oo are ya" chants becoming the norm.

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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #78 on: December 4, 2010, 04:05:24 pm »
Dignity
Courage
Benevolence
Respect
Honesty
Honor
Loyalty

Acknowledgement of the Holy Trinity, Manager, Players, Fans.

Acknowledgement of our unique history by never getting involved in a shared stadium.

Anfield, or New Anfield to acknowledge and celebrate our unique history and inspire generations of supporters to come.

We are Liverpool

We are unique

This is Anfield
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Re: Competition/challenge: What should our philosophy be as a club?
« Reply #79 on: December 4, 2010, 04:07:32 pm »
Who's not with us is against us.

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