Topic: Brexit: "Vultus inanis est et mori in fossa ego sum!"

[filopastry]

Imagine thinking that Andrea fucking Leadsom is the answer to any question other than 'Name one of the ten people least qualified to be PM?'.

As Malcolm Tucker would say 'She's so dense that light bends around her'

If you think this cabinet is the worst you have ever seen, just wait until it gets filled with Brexiters under the next permanent leader

[Ray K]

If you think this cabinet is the worst you have ever seen, just wait until it gets filled with Brexiters under the next permanent leader

I'm quite looking to seeing Foreign Secretary Gareth Keenan  Mark Francois actually.  Might be good for a giggle.

[ShakaHislop]

Stephen Crabb says PM has to go ASAP and new PM needed ‘within weeks’

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1131226565780676609

The man who pulled out of the last leadership contest for sexting.

[killer-heels]

Imagine thinking that Andrea fucking Leadsom is the answer to any question other than 'Name one of the ten people least qualified to be PM?'.

As Malcolm Tucker would say 'She's so dense that light bends around her'

Leadsom would be great.

Considering there is a dearth of ability in the Tories, then the incompetent, the better.

[Qston]

She is toast. However, the idea of Johnson v McVey fills me with utter dread if either of them get anywhere near being PM. Talk about Hobson's choice.

Labour are continuing to miss a massive open goal here. A second referendum should now be at the forefront of their offers, and more importantly, the dear leader says so rather than continuing to sit on the fence that he has been on for the last few years.

An utter fucking shit show caused by the blue rinse brigade who won`t give a toss in a few years anyway, leaving the rest of us to have to deal with the mess.

[ShakaHislop]

Mundell, Javid and Hunt's one-to-one meetings with May aren't happening.

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131234658111447042

[Riquende]

Frottage has played a blinder here.

Indeed. The man has allowed UKIP to swallow the Tories whole before skipping away from the toxicity to found a new party surging in the polls. All without ever needing to be elected!

I'm sure the blinders that Jezza's been playing with his policy of not getting involved or having an opinion are equally as influential.

[Zeb]

Hahahaha. They need 1922 to change rules. Only the 1922 then needs that rule change ratified by MPs. Not happening tomorrow, is it? So she's safe til 4th June when Parliament returns from the Whitsun recess.

[ShakaHislop]

Asked if Mrs May is hiding in her bunker, one government source says “that’s what I’m hearing”

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1131239446140076033

[ShakaHislop]

BREAK: hear the PM will meet Sir Graham on Friday. Source says if no resignation by then... (I’ll fill in the dots, they’ll force the vote and have her out)

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131250486273822722

Why wait?

[TepidT2O]

The trouble is...

The trouble is...

Whoever replaces May..... what precisely do they intend to do.


No one has actually said.  No ideas, no commitments, no pan.

Disaster awaits

[killer-heels]

The trouble is...

The trouble is...

Whoever replaces May..... what precisely do they intend to do.


No one has actually said.  No ideas, no commitments, no pan.

Disaster awaits

You can either keep hoping that everything will return to normal by some magical twist or you can just accept the possibility that things need to become even more of a mess and hit rock bottom before things can start to take more positive turns.

Of course, by then it could be too late. But thats just tough, isnt it.

The Tories are electing a nutter then it needs to be the most incompetent nutter there is. McVey, Leadsom, Truss, Boris. Any one of them will die on their feet.

[Zeb]

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1131250486273822722

Why wait?

Stephen Bush reckons that they want to give it another chance to persuade her because some on the 1922 are really worried that once they rewrite rules for her then it sets the precedent for next time. And it's not like the Tories are particularly united right now.

[Elmo!]

Someone pointed out on Reddit that if she did quit tonight, the media won't be allowed to report on it tomorrow until the polls closed...

Perhaps that's why she's thinking of doing it. 

[TepidT2O]

Do you want Brexit to happen?

John McDonnell: “Yeah.”

Folks.

Don’t vote labour if you want to stay in the EU.

[Elmo!]

Leadsom gone.

[Libertine]

Leadsome gone. More irreplaceable talent lost....

[BoRed]

Do you want Brexit to happen?

John McDonnell: “Yeah.”

Do you have a source for that?

[BobOnATank]

Let's look at one positive (aside from may getting the boot in shame and the tories imploding), its a social experiment. Its not often (or ever really) that you get to find out how many people will vote for a colour of a rosette given that there is absolutely no reason at all to vote for them. It'll be a good guide to understand who of the population are inclined to vote but no notion as to why they will do so

[killer-heels]

Leadsom gone.

Super lolz.

[oldfordie]

BBC report on the Scunthorpe steel collapse awful today.
One reporter arguing Scunthorpe is taking a hammering on social media, how they voted for Brexit so they are getting what the deserve etc is unfair, Brexit hasn't caused this crisis, it's the uncertainty of Brexit thats caused this crisis,   this gives the impression that a no deal will end the uncertainty and help recovery, a no deal will be the end of the steel industry in this country, union officials are not even convinced a deal will save the industry, a no deal and the pound plummets even more, tariffs kick in and the orders stop completely.

[killer-heels]

BBC report on the Scunthorpe steel collapse awful today.
One reporter arguing Scunthorpe is taking a hammering on social media, how they voted for Brexit so they are getting what the deserve etc is unfair, Brexit hasn't caused this crisis, it's the uncertainty of Brexit thats caused this crisis,   this gives the impression that a no deal will end the uncertainty and help recovery, a no deal will be the end of the steel industry in this country, union officials are not even convinced a deal will save the industry, a no deal and the pound plummets even more, tariffs kick in and the orders stop completely.

That region voted 66% to leave.

Unlucky.

[buttersstotch]

BBC report on the Scunthorpe steel collapse awful today.
One reporter arguing Scunthorpe is taking a hammering on social media, how they voted for Brexit so they are getting what the deserve etc is unfair, Brexit hasn't caused this crisis, it's the uncertainty of Brexit thats caused this crisis,   this gives the impression that a no deal will end the uncertainty and help recovery, a no deal will be the end of the steel industry in this country, union officials are not even convinced a deal will save the industry, a no deal and the pound plummets even more, tariffs kick in and the orders stop completely.

You can't try arguing with these people, unfortunately they have just been fed way too many lies. While I agree the uncertainty is not helping things, a No Deal would be far worse. Just be grateful that we can see this!

Anyone in Yorkshire/Humber that's Pro-Remain might want to vote Green instead of Lib Dem. Word going round is they've practically already got 1 seat, but will be a struggle to get 2. Might be worth voting tactically with Greens.

[oldfordie]

That region voted 66% to leave.

Unlucky.

Yep, a union official was talking about the devastation caused by the steel closures in Redcar. something many of us have argued over the last few years. she says the closures devastated the region, the collapse of large companies just doesn't hit the people directly employed, it doesn't just hit the suppliers either, it hits the whole area, shops close, people who provide services find people just haven't got the money. a lot of people thought they were immune to the effects of Brexit, they are in for a nasty shock.
I have a lot of sympathy for the 34% who voted remain in Scunthorpe, I hope the 66% start to point the finger at the people who told them everything will be fine after we voted to leave the EU. I may have a bit of sympathy for them then.

[killer-heels]

Yep, a union official was talking about the devastation caused by the steel closures in Redcar. something many of us have argued over the last few years. she says the closures devastated the region, the collapse of large companies just doesn't hit the people directly employed, it doesn't just hit the suppliers either, it hits the whole area, shops close, people who provide services find people just haven't got the money. a lot of people thought they were immune to the effects of Brexit, they are in for a nasty shock.
I have a lot of sympathy for the 34% who voted remain in Scunthorpe, I hope the 66% start to point the finger at the people who told them everything will be fine after we voted to leave the EU. I may have a bit of sympathy for them then.

They wont. Most people wont admit they were wrong. They will just sit in their pubs and lounge’s and say the politicians did Brexit wrong and if they would have followed their way, it would have been great.

[TepidT2O]

Do you have a source for that?

Yes. I saw it on the telly.

[Red-Soldier]

They wont. Most people wont admit they were wrong. They will just sit in their pubs Weatherspoons and lounge’s and say the politicians did Brexit wrong and if they would have followed their way, it would have been great.

I agree.

[Elmo!]

Do you have a source for that?

Yes. I saw it on the telly.

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1130948208899895296

[oldfordie]

They wont. Most people wont admit they were wrong. They will just sit in their pubs and lounge’s and say the politicians did Brexit wrong and if they would have followed their way, it would have been great.

Am sure you're right in most cases but I can see some very bitter arguments breaking out in these same pubs as well.

[BoRed]

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1130948208899895296

Thanks.

"Yeah" is not really the entire quote, though.

"Yeah, we want to abide by the decision of the last referendum, but we can't" would be closer (mathematically speaking ).

[cissesbeard]

Am sure you're right in most cases but I can see some very bitter arguments breaking out in these same pubs as well.

almost lost my shit with my dad last week - he voted leave. was always a labour man and in the trade unions when he worked but since hes retired I don't know whats happened to him. I asked him to give me the 3 main benefits of us leaving the EU and all he came up with was won't have to pay them any money and they won't be controlling us! fuck sake, I was raging. I just don't think many leave voters will ever agree leave was a bad idea, it will always be 'the politicians ballsed it up and if we'd left straight away it would have been ok'

[Elmo!]

Thanks.

"Yeah" is not really the entire quote, though.

"Yeah, we want to abide by the decision of the last referendum, but we can't" would be closer (mathematically speaking ).

That is also not the full quote.

Stopping it at 'can't' is just as, if not more out of context than just 'Yeah'. He can't support a particular kind of Brexit, but he still still supports it.

[oldfordie]

You can't try arguing with these people, unfortunately they have just been fed way too many lies. While I agree the uncertainty is not helping things, a No Deal would be far worse. Just be grateful that we can see this!

Anyone in Yorkshire/Humber that's Pro-Remain might want to vote Green instead of Lib Dem. Word going round is they've practically already got 1 seat, but will be a struggle to get 2. Might be worth voting tactically with Greens.

Yeah, I wouldn't bother but I think I would have a different attitude if I was younger and actually loosing a decent job, am sure they have fell for many lies but I think we know many of them willingly accepted these lies so they could justify why they voted leave, "EU telling us what to do" asked for a example and they quoted Bendy Bananas even though they know it's untrue. Widdecombe gave a horrible nasty speech to a packed Gammon audience only the other night, shouting they called you all idiots for voting leave, you knew what you voted for, you hate being told what to do by the unelected EU bureaucrats, cheers filled the room, she said this days before one of the biggest democratic elections in the world,, the EUs European elections.

[red_Mark1980]

almost lost my shit with my dad last week - he voted leave. was always a labour man and in the trade unions when he worked but since hes retired I don't know whats happened to him. I asked him to give me the 3 main benefits of us leaving the EU and all he came up with was won't have to pay them any money and they won't be controlling us! fuck sake, I was raging. I just don't think many leave voters will ever agree leave was a bad idea, it will always be 'the politicians ballsed it up and if we'd left straight away it would have been ok'

Spoke.to my remain voted 71 year old mum recently. She's sound of mind and absolutely not how I remember 71 year olds being.

She doesn't understand these elections and what they are for.

Politicians and the media have been doing a terrible job over the last few years. I'm slowly coming round to the fact that quite a lot of leave voters simply don't know what's going on

[oldfordie]

almost lost my shit with my dad last week - he voted leave. was always a labour man and in the trade unions when he worked but since hes retired I don't know whats happened to him. I asked him to give me the 3 main benefits of us leaving the EU and all he came up with was won't have to pay them any money and they won't be controlling us! fuck sake, I was raging. I just don't think many leave voters will ever agree leave was a bad idea, it will always be 'the politicians ballsed it up and if we'd left straight away it would have been ok'

Seems to be how people view the EU and our membership. we don't pay the EU we contribute to the funding it needs to run,we contribute to all the schemes that are trying to improve lives. I always compare it to someone on market stall refusing to pay for his pitch when he makes a grand a day, he doesnt save £100 for leaving his pitch, he losses £900 profit, the more I looked into how the EU make the single market work the more I realised the genius of it, i really couldn't give a s,, on the technical standards all EU countries agree on, I assume they must be for the best, nobodys telling us do what we should do, we've all agreed to the same standards and rules to do away with borders, to save factories having many productions lines making something France will accept but not Germany or Spain etc. it's all about how you look at it really, I wouldn't mind but we will definitely be forced to keep to EU standards after we leave, don't get me wrong it really pees me off that the likes of Frottage and Batten are now about to walk away with a EU pension of around £80 Grand a year for life when they've done f.. all except cause trouble.
Am disgusted with some of the unions. they have played politics and it could cost millions of jobs, sorry your dad didn't consider the effect of leaving will have on jobs, wages, workers rights etc. I would have put a lot of money on trade unions being one of the biggest remain lobby's in the UK, seems I was wrong.

[killer-heels]

Spoke.to my remain voted 71 year old mum recently. She's sound of mind and absolutely not how I remember 71 year olds being.

She doesn't understand these elections and what they are for.

Politicians and the media have been doing a terrible job over the last few years. I'm slowly coming round to the fact that quite a lot of leave voters simply don't know what's going on

Try political campaigning. Its hard fucking work making people understand what the votes are for.

I certainly am not sneering at people who didn't understand the vote on cultural/language grounds but during the EU vote I was campaigning in Lozell's in Birmingham and trying to convince a Jamaican women that the vote wasn't about whether they were going be sent back to Jamaica was hard work.

Then again, the windrush scandal happened, so she was probably right.

[red_Mark1980]

Try political campaigning. Its hard fucking work making people understand what the votes are for.

I certainly am not sneering at people who didn't understand the vote on cultural/language grounds but during the EU vote I was campaigning in Lozell's in Birmingham and trying to convince a Jamaican women that the vote wasn't about whether they were going be sent back to Jamaica was hard work.

Then again, the windrush scandal happened, so she was probably right.

😂😂

Fair play to her.

I get that - and possibly in different circumstances I could have still been living at home in a dead end town believing that it was all these bloody polish people who were adding to my troubles.

Even now, I sometimes ask myself what tomorrow is about. Then I see Tommy Robinson in my hometown and his idiot mates in bootle and realise it doesn't matter if we leave in 4 months. It's about not giving these weirdos a platform

[killer-heels]

😂😂

Fair play to her.

I get that - and possibly in different circumstances I could have still been living at home in a dead end town believing that it was all these bloody polish people who were adding to my troubles.

Even now, I sometimes ask myself what tomorrow is about. Then I see Tommy Robinson in my hometown and his idiot mates in bootle and realise it doesn't matter if we leave in 4 months. It's about not giving these weirdos a platform

I don't think a lack of political knowledge is a massive issue. I used to think the politically interested lot in Uni were dull, when I spent my time partying, getting drunk or studying. I have only ever been politically involved in 2 votes, one the London Mayoral election and the EU referendum.

In fact I wish I could go back to a time where I knew fuck all about these MP's. Now I seem to know pretty much everything.

I don't sympathise with people who blame their problems on others. I can understand a lack of political knowledge. But decency and common sense? Nah.

[Zeb]

Dropping this in here as a heads-up, cos if May goes and someone like Raab gets in then it's going to be pretty relevant.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/new-prime-minister-intent-no-deal-brexit-cant-be-stopped-mps-0

There is no decisive route to blocking no deal

Pass Backbench or Opposition day motions opposing no deal

Although these wouldn’t have legal teeth, they would be politically important. But these are scheduled by the Government – between November and April the Government didn’t schedule any Opposition days at all – and a new Prime Minister could just avoid giving any time to the Opposition ahead of the Article 50 deadline.

Apply to the Speaker for emergency debates under Standing Order 24

These are motions which say that the House has ‘considered’ an issue. The Speaker could grant such a debate, but these motions are in neutral terms (which means they are unamendable) and are not legally binding.

Amend the Queen’s Speech at the start of the next session

A new Conservative leader would be expected to to prorogue Parliament and set out their plans for the next session in a Queen’s Speech – and this would give MPs an opportunity to table amendments which could try and block no deal. But a new PM has no obligation to prorogue Parliament and could choose to drag this ‘zombie’ session past the October 31 deadline.

Vote against the Government’s programme

MPs can express their opposition to the Government by opposing all government business. But if the Government isn’t bringing any major new bills before the House then a new PM may not be overly concerned by the prospect of inconsequential legislative defeats

Vote of ‘no confidence’ in the Government

A vote of ‘no confidence’ would trigger a 14-day period where someone else – including Jeremy Corbyn – could try and form a Government which wins the support of the Commons. If that cannot be achieved then the UK would face a general election. But there would need to be a new Prime Minister in place who is prepared to go to the EU to ask for a further extension before the 31 October deadline is reached.

NB: for what it's worth, even to 'no deal' in an 'orderly' way would require further legislation, question is how willing the next PM is to skip that part.

[Riquende]

She doesn't understand these elections and what they are for.

Well clearly we're voting to see which unelected bureaucrats go to Brussels.