Topic: Old photos of and around Liverpool

[back aftie]

There is a huge B&W picture which is very similar to the one posted here in the Cornmarket pub off Fenwick St.
I was on the Bulwark at the time it was in Liverpool on a 5 day families visit. I was wondering were I could get a copy of the photograph.

[L12]

No critiques on the scanning please

[The Gulleysucker]

The lower one is Spellow on the Canada Dock branch.
Can't quite get the top one yet....will be back.

[The Gulleysucker]

The chimneys are the key, supposed to be a view to the south but might disagree having lived in the area.
Clue: pic is between the wars

I'm guessing that those chimneys in the background are two of the old Clarence Dock Power Station ones, though I'm not too sure as I thought it had three.

I don't think it's LOHR, the track and Station buildings look wrong, so it's possibly on the Southport electric line especially with what looks like an LMS EMU in the distance, but I really just don't recognise it at all.

I first thought it might be the very old Sandhills but the only old photo's I've seen of that have wooden platforms as below from Flikr....


Could it be Marsh Lane before it was flattened during the Blitz (and now Bootle New Strand)? I've never seen a decent photo of that.

So I'm stumped, though no doubt will kick myself when you tell me the answer.


In the meantime, here's a photo for Keith for one of his before and afters from Streets if he's not done it yet.... it's post LOHR demolition.



A Pug and tarp'd wagons (complete with chimney spark arrestor as well...interesting detail for any modeller) being led along the old docks line that ran under the LOHR by a guard with flag. Easy location to identify.

[John C]

I love photos like that gulley mate, technology has accelerated so much but that illustrates how advanced engineering was nearly a hundred years ago.

[L12]

Start kicking Gulley it's Tuebrook 
Have walked Green Lane loads of times cannot figure out how Lister Drive would be south of the spot on West Derby Road by the bridge where I presume the station would have been., Newsham Park gets in the way.
Only seeing 2 Of the 4 chimneys would have thrown me off too.

[The Gulleysucker]

In between kicks, I'm seeing it now. It's one of those locations that annoyingly just seems to hide in plain sight until you're told where it is.

The station photo is looking in Edge Hill direction, Newsham being over to the right in the distance though not visible.

Tuebrook platforms were on the Anfield/Walton/Clubmoor direction side of the West Derby road bridge carrying the railway, you can just make out between the tracks the bowed strengthening girder of it.

The Power station photo is great. I remember my Dad sometimes taking me to Newsham in the summer when I was tiny, late 50's early 60's, it was free and got us out of the house, and after us having a look at the model boats on the model boat lake, he'd sometimes take me over to look over the wall to watch the shunting of the coal wagons there.

It was all very impressive when you were little, and a busy and industrious scene back then. I think there was some tragic story about a worker or workers being killed when those cooling towers got built but that's probably true of most buildings before improved H&S considerations. Anyway, it's taken looking towards the north from Edge Lane direction so that's Lister Drive running from left to right above it, 3/4 the way up the photo.

The main railway line is just visible in the top left hand, running under the bridge carrying Lister Drive over into Newsham to the left so Tuebrook Station would be along there beyond the top part of the photo just past West Derby road.

That empty field behind the Apostles in that photo is now partially allotments.
Streetview

[vicgill]

M&S started off in Leeds back end of the 19th century. Their first excursion into the North-West was when they opened two stalls on Birkenhead market.

See below - a real rags to riches story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marks_&_Spencer#History

Johnno mate do you remember people not being allowed into Arabic countries if they were wearing St Michael clothing ( I think it was St Michael underpants too) although I can't think how they would check that.

[The Gulleysucker]

Johnno mate do you remember people not being allowed into Arabic countries if they were wearing St Michael clothing ( I think it was St Michael underpants too) although I can't think how they would check that.

Vic, I remember some rumour at school about that, probably around the time of the '67 war.
No idea if it was really true,  but I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibility in some places with overzealous border guards if they wanted to make life difficult for someone.
I remember when I went out to Kuwait in '81 being given a list of things that were not recommended to take in there, but I don't remember M&S underpants being on it.

[JohnnoWhite]

So then Gulley, was THAT the reason you never wore any then .  .  .

[Red Beret]

I'm sure I've posted this before but it's always worth a second look.  It's Liverpool filmed in 1896 by the French Lumiere Brothers.  It includes the world's first tracking shot from the LOR.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/_i5ApsjD46o" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/_i5ApsjD46o</a>

[Pistolero]

Hanover Street / Duke Street / Paradise Street area - as recently as 2005 according to Skyscrapercity?...but personally though the Moat House was gone well before that?.......anyway, just shows the extent of the redevelopment thats gone on down there

[Tsar Kastik]

There's more open spaces there than after the blitz 


                                                    ***

Here's a couple of minutes of film showing the forlorn rescue attempt of the 'Thetis' crew:-

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675046698_submarine-Thetis_rescue-fleet-underway_survivors-taken_wife-of-commander

[L12]

Deleted this in error

[John C]

That's brilliant L12, I remember that huge Santa being there as a kid. Funny enough, only the other day my mate was only talking about the rocking horse in there.

[L12]

Getting all nostalgic, it's about 20 years since I was in Liverpool

[L12]

That's brilliant L12, I remember that huge Santa being there as a kid. Funny enough, only the other day my mate was only talking about the rocking horse in there.

Went to a grotto once in about 1956 cannot remember if it was TJ's or Blackers, it had white tiled walls.

[The Gulleysucker]

Saw this old postcard on ebay, had me confused for a moment....


It was the West Derby bit that threw me....it's (these days) in Clubmoor streetview satellite

[John C]

Went to a grotto once in about 1956 cannot remember if it was TJ's or Blackers,

Could even have been Lewis's mate. My grandad, the son of the mystery soldier we can't trace, was Father Christmas in Lewis's until he died in 1949.

[L12]

Could even have been Lewis's mate. My grandad, the son of the mystery soldier we can't trace, was Father Christmas in Lewis's until he died in 1949.

Interesting about your grandad , remember it was in a basement or similar downstairs

[L12]

Well Gulley that one fooled me, thought for certain it was the park that used to be on the Muirhead Avenue divider leading to Larkhill House, technology eh

[Tsar Kastik]

Could even have been Lewis's mate. My grandad, the son of the mystery soldier we can't trace, was Father Christmas in Lewis's until he died in 1949.

I probably sat on your granda's knee John.

Must be maddening that you still can't solve the GGdad mystery.

ps. I think the white tiles locates it as TJ's

[John C]

I probably sat on your granda's knee John.

Bloody hell mate, that would be mad. He ended up in the psychiatric ward in Winnick Hospital!

[only6times]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/flashback-remembering-days-could-play-6499335

[Tsar Kastik]

^^^

That'll be Rathbone Street that the kids playground is on. The Hondo supermarket in Upper Duke St. is smack bang in the middle of that background of buildings and St Luke's just to it's right.

[Lenin.]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/flashback-remembering-days-could-play-6499335

Magic!

[John C]

[only6times]

Used to work in Barr soft drinks around the corner when I left school, Cracking little boozer at the top of the road "The little house" next to the travellers rest by APH.

[John C]

Used to work in Barr soft drinks around the corner when I left school, Cracking little boozer at the top of the road "The little house" next to the travellers rest by APH.

We use to call it the Tizer Factory mate, it was a twat to get in to.
Yeah the Little House is long gone.

[monkeyharris]

Used to get that  green and cream 61 to school some days
Remember all the buses used to have a transfer on the windows which said the executive will press for heaviest penalties against fare evaders....and it was compulsory to scratch out with a coin some of the letters to change what the executive would press!

[Tsar Kastik]

Ever get the silver one?

[The Gulleysucker]

Yes. Used to sometimes get on one when I first started school back in 1960. (Scholar ticket, -/1d I think though it might have been only a halfpenny)
It always caused a bit of excitement when one occasionally used to turn up instead of the more usual green ones.
We called them Coronations as I think they were commissioned to celebrate the Coronation.
I do remember they had deluxe upholstery, or a least a bit better the the normal.

[John C]

Ever get the silver one?

I lived in Aigburth for 25 years mate and I don't recall that at all, superb pic.

[Tsar Kastik]

Lord St + Castle St blitz damage,


from here:
http://www.otsnews.co.uk/never-seen-before-images-of-liverpool-taken-during-the-ww2-blitz/

[John C]

Aigburth Road, Lark Lane & Sefton Park.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151977270254930

[only6times]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/nostalgia-old-photos-liverpool-turned-6721657

[Tsar Kastik]

Elliot Street undated. From 'merseywail' on Yo.

[Big Red Richie]

Looks like St.Johns is still under construction there, so I'd say somewhere in the region of 1969/70 ?

[Tsar Kastik]

Busy as usual. Click to enlarge.

from here,  https://www.flickr.com/photos/townerassociates/12683912233/in/pool-60302053@N00

[vicgill]

There's more open spaces there than after the blitz 


                                                    ***

Here's a couple of minutes of film showing the forlorn rescue attempt of the 'Thetis' crew:-

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675046698_submarine-Thetis_rescue-fleet-underway_survivors-taken_wife-of-commander

My dad should have been aboard that submarine on that day, he was an engineer at Camel lairds, me mam told me he was having a lazy day, he said he wasn't feeling well and didn't turn in