Topic: **SPOILERS** Star Wars: The Force Awakens **SPOILERS** Now with genuine spoilers

[Ultimate Bromance]

Haha I got that too and was like what have I done!

[MOZ]

Even the final shot was a little abrupt for me, I would have preferred it if either he'd turned around and said Rey, or she'd said something like "Am I your daughter?", then let the credits roll, something instead of the weird sweeping shot where she's just standing there holding out his light-saber. Even having him force pull his light-saber and turning it on would have been cool.

God no, that would have spoiled it for me. The subtlety of that galaxy-weary look from Luke was enough and the perfect place to leave it.

[Brian Blessed]

I took the final scene as another parallel of ANH. The only voice you hear is Chewies, Artoo does that shaking thing. Other than that it's all about the visuals and music.

[Andy_lfc]

I am just going to espouse a little bit of love for BB8.  I went in to this film worried that this new droid would grate on me, but to my surprise it worked so well! The thumbs up scene was genuinely funny too.

[zabadoh]

Thoughts on the film:

1)  Good:  Established the First Order as badass.  Sure, the Stormtroopers die in piles, but they can overrun and slaughter civilians really well (desert resistance camp, scavenger camp, Maz bar).  Those were effective echoes of them storming Leia's transport at the start of ANH.  Nasty Starkiller base and all those Star Destroyers are always impressive. 
2)  Good:  Kylo Ren.  The actor physically doesn't look like either Han Solo or Leia (huge nose!), but he was conflicted without being whiny or hammy.  The character himself, isn't invincible and has room to grow into a demon.  Killing your father/father-figure seems to be a Sith rite of passage. 
3)  Good:  Rey.  Killed it as a young Force-talented person.  Like child Anakin, but without the annoying "Yipee!"  A little bland to be the sole focal point for the next 2 movies, but we'll see.  Her running away through the forest after the bar scene dragged though.
4)  Good:  Visual Direction gave me chills:  X-Wings approaching over the lake, Starkiller beams crossing the sky and killing the planets.  Big environments when Rey is climbing around the Starkiller.  Sun getting dimmer as its' being drained.
5)  Good:  Finn/Poe's escape from the hangar. 
6)  Good:  Female Stormtrooper voices.

1)  Bad:  The Maz bar scene is a bad imitation of the Tatooine bar scene.  Where's the smoky atmosphere?  What is the lightsaber doing there?  Maz was a little too convenient.  What kind of ego maniac places a statue of herself on the bar/castle?  A whole bunch of conflicting messages and problems bugged me through that sequence.
2)  Bad:  Finn.  Other being in the right place and time to help rescue Poe, and knowing exactly how to destroy the Starkiller base, he's kind of useless with no killer base to be familiar with in the next movie. 
3)  Bad:  R2D2.  Wakes up for no apparent reason other than being just in time to move the plot along.  I think BB8 could have been dropped and its role filled by R2D2, if not for the merchandising.
4)  Bad:  C3PO.  Felt like the JarJar of this film with no R2D2 to play off against.
5)  Bad:  Poe's flight through the gap into the oscillator to destroy the rest of the columns was just not believable.
6)  Bad:  Hero role was split up into too many parts that didn't spend enough time interacting with each other:  Rey, Poe, Finn, BB8
7)  Bad:  Poe.  Out of thin air, he's the "best pilot in the Resistance" no story or anything, making impossible shots like some Jedi Force person, but without the journey.  We're given no reason to root for him, as if the writers just expected us to just because he's one of the good guys. 
8 )  Bad:  Han Solo taking Chewie's crossbow multiple times and saying he liked it as if he hasn't been running around with the overgrown shag rug and had multiple opportunities to try shooting it for the last 40 years. 
9)  Bad:  Solo being in the right place with the huge freighter to tractor in the Falcon. 
10)  Bad:  Lack of emotional reaction by Leia, Chewie, and Rey to Solo's death.
11)  Bad:  Capt. Phasma.  Squeaky voice comically mismatched to hulking figure.  Looks badass, but useless in the same way I felt about Boba Fett after the OT.

The movie as a whole felt like a transition, like ESB which Kasdan also co-wrote, so no surprise there.  But in this case, I hope we get a better Episode 8 than RoTJ.

[Mr Dilkington]

I can imagine Gwendoline Christie sitting at the premier thinking "what a fucking stitch up this is.."

I imagine a LOT of her scenes were cut.

[J-Mc-]

Quick side note RE R2 waking up at that moment.

Saw an interview with JJ Abrams where he stated that R2 woke up because when BB8 knocked into him and started 'talking' to him, he apparently asked about the rest of the map that BB8 had, causing R2 to finally snap out of the low power mode and help, just wasn't explained well in the movie and personally, i think it's a bit of a cop out excuse.

[fowlermagic]

Its churning in the money that is for sure ...not bad for a remake of Star Wars The New Hope. I was wondering how will they fill the shoes of Han Solo in the next installment but then I said they kept Luke for the end of this one so he can slide right in and keep the ball rolling. Honestly you could kill off any of the new characters and I would not give a rats ...in fact they should just start doing a Game of Thrones on it as surely Lukes days are numbered when the trilogy is complete as they will hand the baton off to wha'ts her name...oh Rey. Anyway to make it a wee bit more realistic as they detonated the Death Star for the umpteenth time, please oh please end Carrie Fishers wooden acting in the early scenes of the next movie.

[conman]

Quick side note RE R2 waking up at that moment.

Saw an interview with JJ Abrams where he stated that R2 woke up because when BB8 knocked into him and started 'talking' to him, he apparently asked about the rest of the map that BB8 had, causing R2 to finally snap out of the low power mode and help, just wasn't explained well in the movie and personally, i think it's a bit of a cop out excuse.

If that's what jj said, then so be it. It must be the right answer.

I previously heard that luke woke r2d2 up when he realised that his time in isolation is coming to an end, due to han solo being killed and kylo/snoke becoming a threat.

[bailey90]

I originally had the idea that Luke had programmed R2 to wake up and complete the plans when Luke was needed. But maybe not if JJ says otherwise...

[oojason]

If that's what jj said, then so be it. It must be the right answer.

I previously heard that luke woke r2d2 up when he realised that his time in isolation is coming to an end, due to han solo being killed and kylo/snoke becoming a threat.

I thought R2 woke when when the presence of a Skywalker (Rey) was near... but I suppose we'll have to go with JJ.



Some more info on the background info for events in the film - and differences from the film and book (hadn't realised it was Alan Dean Foster who did the book):-

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015/12/spoilers-want-a-few-more-hints-about-the-force-awakens-take-a-look-at-the-novelization.html

[TheFlyingScouseman]

Star Wars Episode VIII: The New Order Strikes Back

Am I right?

[voodoo ray]

Star Wars Episode VIII: The New Order Strikes Back

Am I right?

First Order mate. They're not a manchester synth group.

[FlashingBlade]

Star Wars Episode VIII: The New Order Strikes Back

Am I right?

I think Peter Hooks'  lawyers might have something to say about that.....

[red_Mark1980]

Star Wars Episode VIII: The New Order Strikes Back

Am I right?

Yes, followed by Star Wars Episode IX: The Revenge of the Smiths

[conman]

Yes, followed by Star Wars Episode IX: The Revenge of the Smiths

and then Starwars Episode X: The Fonz awakens

[Davidbowie]

Yes, followed by Star Wars Episode IX: The Revenge of the Smiths

 

[damomad]

It was the movie equivalent of listening to your favourite bands greatest hits album with a few added new tracks (which hit the mark).

Thought the casting for new characters was fantastic, as were the effects and the locations chosen. Loved it!

[red_Mark1980]

It was the movie equivalent of listening to your favourite bands greatest hits album with a few added new tracks (which hit the mark).

Thought the casting for new characters was fantastic, as were the effects and the locations chosen. Loved it!

For me it was like going to see Oasis while being a massive Beatles fan. Better than the 'prequels' which ultimately feel like watching a Monkeys tribute band. On acid.

[damomad]

I had a discussion in work with a guy who didn't like it. He couldn't articulate what was wrong but he felt something was missing. He admitted that if it didn't have the Star Wars name attached, he would have loved it.

The script writers didn't feel confident enough to deviate too much from the structure of the original films after the farce of the prequels. Which is fair enough, with the immense pressure on them.

I can see the arguments but I was mostly like fucking hell there's the Millenium Falcon in 3D! And Storm Troopers! I'm 10 again

[Stussy]

Star Wars is Homeric its like Homer --- Greek mythology full of adventures that feature coincidences, with a fairy tale vibe, an epic narrative spanning generations, full of monsters, darkness, light and tragedy, with improbable events that appeal to the imagination and touch on themes that are very broad and eternal and escapist

So yeah, what are the chances of R2-D2 and C3PO landing on Tatooine and just happening to be picked up by Luke Skywalker who is the brother of Princess Leia who sent them, the chances of just happening to land in his vicinity on Tatooine a whole entire massive desert planet, and then him just happening to come across them at a junk droid sale.................its fucking improbably as fuck...........but guess what......IT WORKS......we believe it..........because in this imaginative space we are taken along with the atmosphere, the vibe, the universe and the 'fairy tale' like epic mythological dimension it creates....and that is the genius of the first movies.....bottom line is you can get away with any coincidence if you make art beautifully and that is why it is audacious too.........and it works, the 'world' of the film takes on its own logic and believability, but it also sets up its own rules, and grounds this epic fairy tale thing in something that feels human and proportionate and believable.....

The bits that didn't work for me so well in Force Awakens are when we get taken out of that a little bit and the issue of Rey and her slight Mary Sue qualities are not about improbability of story..............what are the chances of the original spaceship she runs to getting blown up and then her running to the Millenium Falcon, and before that Finn landing so close to this girl so closely connected to the Jedis and the whole war between the First Order and Vader's daughter and son on the resistance, and then just happening to bump into Han Solo and Chewie who has been looking for his ship for years...........man alive...........the chances of that happening are trillions to one but guess what? WE BELIEVE IT because of the successful mythological Homeric epic fairy tale vibe of the movie and 'tradition' of Star Wars..........I didn't care about any of that.........I surrendered to it because it works for the narrative which is like Homer and epic and mythological.....................but in that context Rey's excellence in so many fields just felt slightly intuitively rushed compared to the journey of doubt, vulnerability that was on display in the original trilogy where it takes Luke for example three movies to achieve the supremacy over Vader and overcome so much internal fear and weakness etc etc

So the greatness of Star Wars is the marrying of these epic Homeric Greek epic mythological evoking narratives of fantasy, escape, excitement, spectacle, fantasy with these very believeable themes of individual inner lives on that canvas, especially in the characters of Luke, Han Solo (watch A New Hope again he is an amazing character a cynical maverick selfish cut throat thieving smuggling hustler bastard) and Anakin / Darth Vader to say nothing about Leia (who is a sassy take no prisoners strong woman)............now I just felt that Rey and Finn didn't resonate so well it seems that Rey got developed too fast and other things make me critical but guess what.........

They don't stop me from enjoying this movie, I loved it, I enjoyed it, I'm going to watch it multiple times at the cinema over the next few weeks and I have a feeling Rian Johnson is going to totally hit the next one for six. I think this is on the same level as Return of the Jedi, and I hope that the next two will hit the beyond-masterpiece mythological amazingness of A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back.

The ingredients are there. Star Wars is amazing, beautiful and even when imperfect it just transports your imagination and sets it on fire. So I love watching it and listening to people talk about it because its the best thing that movies can do --- take you out of the miserable and mundane world and TELL A STORY we can all share in

[andspecks]

Convinced Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter. Everything hints at it. Too many parallels. Same accents, both isolated on desert planets. Rey is a natural with the mind trick, a total Obi-Wan trademark. Other characters such as Anakin and Qui-Gon have struggled with the mind trick so don't think it's as easy as just feeling the force. She is kind but also has a sharp wit. Then there's the more obvious parallels like how she is sneaking around the base in Force Awakens just like Obi-Wan was sneaking around on the Death Star. Her handing Luke his lightsaber just like Obi-Wan handed him the lightsaber all those years ago. In the flashback scene she screams "come back" and then the next voice you hear is Obi-Wan calling her name.

Then you just have the whole set up of Kenobi v Skywalker again. Perhaps Rey brings Kylo back to the light whereas Obi-Wan failed with Anakin. She's definitely not Luke or Leia's that's for sure and don't think she's of random birth otherwise they would have given us her last name cause why would it matter.

Hope it's true and we end up getting an Obi-Wan standalone movie to help explain what happened

[Stussy]

Convinced Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter. Everything hints at it. Too many parallels. Same accents, both isolated on desert planets. Rey is a natural with the mind trick, a total Obi-Wan trademark. Other characters such as Anakin and Qui-Gon have struggled with the mind trick so don't think it's as easy as just feeling the force. She is kind but also has a sharp wit. Then there's the more obvious parallels like how she is sneaking around the base in Force Awakens just like Obi-Wan was sneaking around on the Death Star. Her handing Luke his lightsaber just like Obi-Wan handed him the lightsaber all those years ago. In the flashback scene she screams "come back" and then the next voice you hear is Obi-Wan calling her name.

Then you just have the whole set up of Kenobi v Skywalker again. Perhaps Rey brings Kylo back to the light whereas Obi-Wan failed with Anakin. She's definitely not Luke or Leia's that's for sure and don't think she's of random birth otherwise they would have given us her last name cause why would it matter.

Hope it's true and we end up getting an Obi-Wan standalone movie to help explain what happened

that's tantalising and would be great

[Chakan]

Just saw it. Enjoyed it.

[elbow]

Convinced Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter. Everything hints at it. Too many parallels. Same accents, both isolated on desert planets. Rey is a natural with the mind trick, a total Obi-Wan trademark. Other characters such as Anakin and Qui-Gon have struggled with the mind trick so don't think it's as easy as just feeling the force. She is kind but also has a sharp wit. Then there's the more obvious parallels like how she is sneaking around the base in Force Awakens just like Obi-Wan was sneaking around on the Death Star. Her handing Luke his lightsaber just like Obi-Wan handed him the lightsaber all those years ago. In the flashback scene she screams "come back" and then the next voice you hear is Obi-Wan calling her name.

Then you just have the whole set up of Kenobi v Skywalker again. Perhaps Rey brings Kylo back to the light whereas Obi-Wan failed with Anakin. She's definitely not Luke or Leia's that's for sure and don't think she's of random birth otherwise they would have given us her last name cause why would it matter.

Hope it's true and we end up getting an Obi-Wan standalone movie to help explain what happened

Hey, that could be crazy enough to work! In the Clone Wars cartoon, I'm sure there is the suggestion that Obi Wan is or was romantically involved with someone. Not Yoda, definitely a girl.

[The 1989 Brit Awards]

Loved the movie. Genuine amazing perfomance by the young leads, Han Solo is great. A bit predictable at times, what with the nods to Episode IV, but what the hell.

I think it's worth remembering just how bad some of the prequels were, in order to be even happier that this movie is what it is!

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[Frank Becton]

Saw it yesterday in 3d. Great visual effects.
I am not a Star Wars addict, I wasn't keen on the Anakin/Jar Jar characters which spoilt 3 of the movies, saved slightly by the Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson and Sam L Jackson performances.

I liked it as an action Sci Fi film. My favourites were the non-people , the new droid was cool and the Millenium Falcon looked fantastic.
The action sequences were good. I wasn't overall enthralled by any of the performances, there wasn't anything that really stood out.

I have to confess I didn't get much emotion from the old characters back again, I thought Carrie Fisher looked like she didn't want to be there. It was just a cold performance.
The problem is she and others are so old now, it's hard not to just think "blimey is that Carrie Fisher"? rather than "yeah Leah is back".

The "where is Luke" thing dragged on too much for me, and then at the end they found him and the film ended. Obviously there will be more to come.

[andspecks]

Hey, that could be crazy enough to work! In the Clone Wars cartoon, I'm sure there is the suggestion that Obi Wan is or was romantically involved with someone. Not Yoda, definitely a girl.

Yep. Satine. In the show he says he would have left the Jedi Order if she had said the word. He's had a few romantic interests in the novels as well.

[red_Mark1980]

Hey, that could be crazy enough to work! In the Clone Wars cartoon, I'm sure there is the suggestion that Obi Wan is or was romantically involved with someone. Not Yoda, definitely a girl.

Saying that, she could be anyone's daughter. There was a lot of drunk people partying at the end of Jedi.

😁

[ScottScott]

Saw this on Sunday. Took a couple of days to run it through my head and then read through this. Opinions are exactly that but some of the things people are criticising this film for are a bit ridiculous

Firstly, it has it's similarities to the original trilogy that's correct. But then Jedi was basically a rewrite of ANH. Going to rescue someone from somewhere, having to destroy the Death Star, battle at the end between the Jedi and the Sith Lord. Only Empire really has it's own individual story and that gives us a lot of understanding of things going on in the galaxy and the story. No-one really complains about that though

Also if this has been set out as a trilogy like the originals then as much as they want different directors to give their own spin on films you have to think that a lot of the basic story has been drafted already, at the very least they know where they want to end up. Things like how the Saber got into Maz's hands will be explained later on. Phasma will have a bigger role and be Finn's adversary through the next films after seeing him betray her and her squad. These stories that people want to know more of and see more of will be (or could be) explained in the next 2 films. You either do it this way or you end up with a 3 hour film on trade routes, struggles at the galactic senate and moves around plotting an invasion on a planet with some lightsaber battles thrown in to remind you it's a Star Wars film. Nobody wants that

In ANH you didn't really know what the force was, you never properly got an understanding of what the Empire were or what they wanted apart from killing Rebels and that was fine. You met R2 and C3P0 and followed them from the beginning as they land on Tattooine, split up on a desert planet and somehow end up together at Luke's farm. Through coincidence the droid they originally buy shorts and they have to buy R2 and then from there they end up with a chance encounter with Obi Wan after R2 goes missing. You don't question this though because even if it is slightly unbelievable you enjoy the characters, you can relate to Luke after 5 minutes because we've all felt trapped and small. It's a series of massive coincidences that lead all these coming together

Anyway enough of that. I LOVED the film. If I have to rank them it's 2nd behind Empire for me. Only slightly ahead of ANH and better than Jedi. I loved the characters and think they've really done a great job there. Rey is phenomenal and you can see the journey she is on as the film goes on. Finn was also very good too, he only wanted out of the First Order and now has found his way into the Resistance after helping Poe and stumbling upon the settlement were Rey was. Poe is that cocky, arrogant pilot that reminds you of Han but I think he's more of a fighter than a rogue smuggler and it will good to see where they take his character. The best thing for me was Ren though. You don't often see a villain where he is only at the beginning of his own journey and is still fighting with himself about good and evil. Yes he is clearly very powerful but he still has that doubt and pull towards to the light and that effects how powerful he can be. You only really see the change when he kills Han (so emotional) and I think you would have seen him straight up murder some folk if he wouldn't have been shot by Chewwy

That leads me onto the final battle in the woods. Despite what some have said I thought it was very well done. An injured yet powerful Sith up against 2 people. One who clearly has training as he was trained from a child in battle and the other who has fended for herself and is getting stronger with the force as the film goes on. Finn barely hangs on when fighting him and is constantly getting knocked back and manages to get a lucky shot to the shoulder before getting slashed up the back. The battle for Luke's saber was also tense because although a lot of people would have guessed Rey would also try for it you never see her so when it goes past Ren you still get that rush of excitement. At this point Rey is stronger than she has been in the force and has training with a staff (you can see that the way she fights she thrusts like she would with a staff and doesn't ever really swing like a sword). Ren has been bleeding out for some time now and has also just been in a fight before this so when he and Rey fight he is nowhere near as strong as he could be or will become. He tries to convince her to come to him and be trained but she lets the force flow through her and guide her and gets the last boost where she gets a shot to the leg and slashes his face (excuse to have a mask on again) before they are split by the ground opening. It's a good way to show that not only is Rey getting more powerful as she understands the force but Ren has a match

It felt like a Star Wars film. It sounded like a Star Wars film. It was beautiful, breathtaking at points (Tie Fighters with the sun behind them) and it had a solid story where new characters are introduced, a new enemy is introduced and old characters are either brought back in or killed off respectfully. There were nods to older fans, things for new fans (I fucking love BB8) and it has brought Star Wars back to what it should be - a space opera with epic battles, great characters and it makes you feel like a kid again. I never experienced the originals as I'm only 28 but I've never had anything like this before and felt like a little kid sat there

Thank you JJ and thank you Disney for giving me Star Wars back

[Alan_X]

Star Wars is Homeric its like Homer --- Greek mythology full of adventures that feature coincidences, with a fairy tale vibe, an epic narrative spanning generations, full of monsters, darkness, light and tragedy, with improbable events that appeal to the imagination and touch on themes that are very broad and eternal and escapist

So yeah, what are the chances of R2-D2 and C3PO landing on Tatooine and just happening to be picked up by Luke Skywalker who is the brother of Princess Leia who sent them, the chances of just happening to land in his vicinity on Tatooine a whole entire massive desert planet, and then him just happening to come across them at a junk droid sale.................its fucking improbably as fuck...........but guess what......IT WORKS......we believe it..........because in this imaginative space we are taken along with the atmosphere, the vibe, the universe and the 'fairy tale' like epic mythological dimension it creates....and that is the genius of the first movies.....bottom line is you can get away with any coincidence if you make art beautifully and that is why it is audacious too.........and it works, the 'world' of the film takes on its own logic and believability, but it also sets up its own rules, and grounds this epic fairy tale thing in something that feels human and proportionate and believable.....

The bits that didn't work for me so well in Force Awakens are when we get taken out of that a little bit and the issue of Rey and her slight Mary Sue qualities are not about improbability of story..............what are the chances of the original spaceship she runs to getting blown up and then her running to the Millenium Falcon, and before that Finn landing so close to this girl so closely connected to the Jedis and the whole war between the First Order and Vader's daughter and son on the resistance, and then just happening to bump into Han Solo and Chewie who has been looking for his ship for years...........man alive...........the chances of that happening are trillions to one but guess what? WE BELIEVE IT because of the successful mythological Homeric epic fairy tale vibe of the movie and 'tradition' of Star Wars..........I didn't care about any of that.........I surrendered to it because it works for the narrative which is like Homer and epic and mythological.....................but in that context Rey's excellence in so many fields just felt slightly intuitively rushed compared to the journey of doubt, vulnerability that was on display in the original trilogy where it takes Luke for example three movies to achieve the supremacy over Vader and overcome so much internal fear and weakness etc etc

So the greatness of Star Wars is the marrying of these epic Homeric Greek epic mythological evoking narratives of fantasy, escape, excitement, spectacle, fantasy with these very believeable themes of individual inner lives on that canvas, especially in the characters of Luke, Han Solo (watch A New Hope again he is an amazing character a cynical maverick selfish cut throat thieving smuggling hustler bastard) and Anakin / Darth Vader to say nothing about Leia (who is a sassy take no prisoners strong woman)............now I just felt that Rey and Finn didn't resonate so well it seems that Rey got developed too fast and other things make me critical but guess what.........

They don't stop me from enjoying this movie, I loved it, I enjoyed it, I'm going to watch it multiple times at the cinema over the next few weeks and I have a feeling Rian Johnson is going to totally hit the next one for six. I think this is on the same level as Return of the Jedi, and I hope that the next two will hit the beyond-masterpiece mythological amazingness of A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back.

The ingredients are there. Star Wars is amazing, beautiful and even when imperfect it just transports your imagination and sets it on fire. So I love watching it and listening to people talk about it because its the best thing that movies can do --- take you out of the miserable and mundane world and TELL A STORY we can all share in

Spot on.

[conman]

Convinced Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter. Everything hints at it. Too many parallels. Same accents, both isolated on desert planets. Rey is a natural with the mind trick, a total Obi-Wan trademark. Other characters such as Anakin and Qui-Gon have struggled with the mind trick so don't think it's as easy as just feeling the force. She is kind but also has a sharp wit. Then there's the more obvious parallels like how she is sneaking around the base in Force Awakens just like Obi-Wan was sneaking around on the Death Star. Her handing Luke his lightsaber just like Obi-Wan handed him the lightsaber all those years ago. In the flashback scene she screams "come back" and then the next voice you hear is Obi-Wan calling her name.

Then you just have the whole set up of Kenobi v Skywalker again. Perhaps Rey brings Kylo back to the light whereas Obi-Wan failed with Anakin. She's definitely not Luke or Leia's that's for sure and don't think she's of random birth otherwise they would have given us her last name cause why would it matter.

Hope it's true and we end up getting an Obi-Wan standalone movie to help explain what happened

Interesting.

The only knock against this theory, is that the Jedi vowed to not have relationships. Obi-Wan didn't seem like the type to break the rules, whereas Luke struggled with the way of the Force and the Jedi. So, it's seems a little more plausible that he would be the one to form a relationship with someone.

[Redman0151]

That no relationship thing was a bit weird I always thought, especially when Jedis are apparently trained from a very, very young age where they can't be expected to make decisions like celibacy

[conman]

Yep. Satine. In the show he says he would have left the Jedi Order if she had said the word. He's had a few romantic interests in the novels as well.

well that just voids what I said above.

hopefully she is "Young Rey Kenobi"

[voodoo ray]

I think it's attachments that jedi aren't allowed to have.

So they can have all the casual sex they like as long as they don't get emotionally involved. Bunch of slags.

[conman]

That no relationship thing was a bit weird I always thought, especially when Jedis are apparently trained from a very, very young age where they can't be expected to make decisions like celibacy

like Buddhists?

[Redman0151]

like Buddhists?

No idea about Buddhists i've never followed the religion, but taking people at age 3 and deciding celibacy and a life of fighting for them is wrong

[TheFlyingScouseman]

No idea about Buddhists i've never followed the religion, but taking people at age 3 and deciding celibacy and a life of fighting for them is wrong

Good thing they ain't real then.

 And I mean the Buddists, not Jedi.

[owens_2k]

Carrie Fisher came across as if she was impersonating Martin Sheen.

What if Rey is a Twin!!?

[conman]

Carrie Fisher came across as if she was impersonating Martin Sheen.

What if Rey is a Twin!!?

I hope not.

They've made enough parallels to a new hope already.