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Or the Liverpool 3 - 1 Zenit St. Petersburg EW Report

Before I start I want to make two points.  Firstly to those forumites who would have us believe that the UEFA Cup is not worth contesting that 4th place and the Champions League is all.  Just try telling that to the lads who actually go to the game.  Just try telling that the 40,000 who hollered, roared, sang, bounced and willed us towards an improbable comeback last night.  Does this competition matter?  To fucking right it does.

Secondly, to those forumites who tell us that our fanbase is fucked, that it is corrupted with numpties, bells, wools and beauts. Maybe it is but my god we can still be bloody brilliant when we want to be.  That game would not have happened at any other ground in the country.  No other ground in the world would have reacted to Hulk's opener the way we did. Bums would hit seats, chins would hit the floor, the moaning and sniping would start.  If we still had in-game threads I am sure that it would have started here.  What we got at Anfield though was that marvellous thing, unconditional support, walking head held high through the wind and the rain for the team.  Anyone can support a side when they are romping home, still giving a side your full vocal backing when you need four goals in the next 70 minutes just to stay in the competition. That's support.

I had the day off on Thursday so I got, what is a rare treat for me these days, the chance to spend the day in town.  It always has a special atmosphere on a big European matchday, with groups of reds from home or abroad milling around and mingling with those who have travelled supporting whoever we are playing.  There were a lot of small groups of Zenit fans wandering about but it's on occasions like this when you realise just why we become a news story when we descend on foreign shores.  There aren't many clubs that take over the centre of their host towns with the same colour and humour as we do on our travels.  The UEFA cup is a fine competition and the list of British managers who have won it is very short and contains some illustrious names (and Keith Burkinshaw) but UEFA have messed with it and tarnished it's lustre, it could really have done with the spectacle of a Scouse army painting Amsterdam red to reapply a little of its sparkle.  Zenit may make worthy finalists but I think its safe to say that their fans for all their bouncing in the ground will not add hugely to the occasion.

So into the ground early and straight to the seats.  The Kop already awash with flags and the atmosphere building nicely.  An early YNWA and then George wisely cuts the speakers and leaves it to the crowd.  Things are warming up nicely and after the normal UEFA branded nonsense there is a rousing, bellowed, passionate, nerve-jangling rendition of YNWA.

The game begins and before long a real test of our mettle, Carra turning and trying to play the ball back in one movement scuffs his pass and turns it into a perfect through ball for Hulk who runs onto it and gives Reina no chance with his clinical finish.  We now need four goals and the ground and the team is reeling.  On the pitch heads look like they might drop.  Luckily on the terraces, belief is dragged from the depths of our despair and once more the chant of Leeeeeeeeeeeevuhhhrpool Liiveeeeeeeeehhhhrpool cranks up and grows, and grows.  Heads are lifted, hearts swell, courage flows from stand to pitch, this is not over yet.

Suarez pulls one back from a free kick and as half-time approaches the ground is buzzing, we are pushing them back, we can fucking do this.  We just need another before half-time.  The swashbuckling Enrique gets to the byline and crosses, Allen heads goalwards but it is saved. The ball is loose.  A welsh leg reacts quickest and prods over the keeper and into the roof of the net.  Pandemonium.

Half time flies by and we emerge for the second half and lay siege to Malafeev's goal.  Zenit are defending with both discipline and commitment though and clear cut chances are hard to come by so when we get another free kick in a promising position we really need Suarez to work his magic once more.  It looks too far out though it will have to be something truly exceptional to beat a keeper of Malafeev's class.  It was exceptional.  It was bloody peerless, over the wall and whipping beyond the keeper's outstretched fingers and into the corner of the Kop goal.  The ground erupts.  Only one goal needed now and thrity minutes to get it. 

Zenit are visibily wilting - or so it seems through my partisan red tinted adrenaline pumped goggles.  In the event it is us who slowly run out of steam.  The superhuman efforts of the previous sixty minutes taking their toll, tiring limbs allow Zenit to regain a foothold in the game, grab a bit of possession and relieve the pressure on their goal.  There are still chances, another Suarez free kick is saved, as is a Gerrard shot, Shelvey hits the side netting when well placed.  Eventually however the referee rules that we have run out of time. Two sides crumple.  Those in red through effort and the disappointment of thwarted ambition, those in white through relief that their ordeal by fire is over.  That somehow, improbably what looked at 830 like it was going to be a stroll has by 945 turned into one of the longest and hardest nights of their careers.

YNWA is ringing around the ground for the third time, the team applauded off like Champions.  Regardless of the result it was another famous Anfield night.  Proof that together we are more than the sum of our parts and we can make the impossible possible.  The improbable probable. 

If your reaction to all that was to come onto RAWK and question the manager's substitutions then in my view you are missing the point.  Stop analysing it and start feeling it.
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 03:02:53 pm »
And so, we face the day-after-the-night-before with the kind of confused, self-satisfied, but ultimately blame-seeking nudity of a Ben Fogle acid trip. There are a surprising number who consider it weakness to be proud in defeat, as if the very notion might impregnate our minds with the venereal bastard child of failure. But we should be proud. Damned proud. And I'll tell yer fer why.

Over the last couple of years Liverpool fans have both suffered and propagated the worst kind of footballing ills. It's been shit hasn't it? As if somehow the highs we’ve had- Kenny's Cup should be cherished- have only served to breed a super bug, not medicate us. What if it never came back? What if those famous European nights had been parked Pennant-style in oblivion?

I wasn't there last night, but those who were practically levitated my TV off its stand with that religious will that has every jealous journo gushing nice. Thanks for that, because just that hair's breadth of doubt- that we might lose our European magic- has been plucked and disposed of. Proper fucking thanks.

Now I've made some questionable life choices, and unlike Mr Fogle I appreciate a free night out, but when it comes to Liverpool we all know what we're getting ourselves into. Last night was a legal, but very brutal adrenaline rush, and so I still offer the same advice: beware the comedown; don't pee in a cup without consulting your lawyer; don't make it your everything.

The last one’s very important. We can’t afford to make it our everything. We’re not rich enough; if you’re rich enough you’re dead. The most cups a Premier League team can win in a given year is four, with a couple more tacked on next year if you do really well. It means that unless you’re Arsene Wenger and you give out butt plugs for fourth, you’re going to spend a lot of your time not winning, and whilst you don’t have to fall in love with that fact, you do have to find sustainable joy.

Be proud of your fellow Reds. Be proud of the lads who lacked in quality, not heart. Be proud of a manager who, yes continues to stumble and fall, but also built and tuned a team that created enough over two legs to win four matches. Sometimes the gears lock, sometimes there’s not enough brains in the trust, and yes rather ridiculously we’re building from the front with somebody’s Dad playing his farewell season at centreback.

Yet Luis Suarez continues to ask defenders to solve the Rubik’s Cube whilst catching it. The Welsh Iniesta kicked the slovenly Welsh Xavi into touch. Henderson looks more and more like somebody put Momo Sissoko through the Michael Jackson-izer. José Enrique victimized Hulk like…like…fuck knows- nobody dared to make anything bigger than The Hulk! And Daniel Agger! Oh Daniel of Aggersson son of Gloin! Michael Flatley is ROFLing in his grave. Magic!

We’ll have to demand more next year. Lessons will need to be learned. We can still find bits to cherish though, and that doesn’t make you weak-minded or accepting of failure. In the meantime, just enjoy the trip and let everything be groovy baby, yeah?

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 03:14:53 pm »
:D

In the preview aka call to arms, I stated the following. Some got it, others missed it but Anfield last night knew it

We are 2-0 down on aggregate before we begin. At the end of the 90 minutes we’re either in the next round or not. Win, lose or draw I’m here for our team and our club because…

…in the end, we’ll always win.


The heartbeat of the club isn't in boardrooms. Dave Whelan, unsurprisingly, went looking in the wrong place. It is in the seats in the 4 stands surrrouding the pitch and for good reason - when all is said and done we return for a bit more. Likening it to the drug as you have done, there isn't a cold turkey one can go through to disassociate yourself from the club you love and support.

Love and support. These two go hand in hand and it's not one without the other. You can't love your club and never get behind them when the chips are down. You can't support your club and never go beyond the threshold of Match of the Day to show your committment.

Last night showed the world why Liverpool fans are special. Those who cared carried on and carried the voice of love and support for the whole match. You'll Never Walk Alone? Fuck the speaker system we're singing it and we'll keep it going. Teams don't come out when expected? Fuck it we'll bring the noise and let you all hear it. You think Anfield is a church and we're not around to be seen or heard? Just ask Zenit. Pata, a Rawkite on here originally from Russia, translated a few of their tweets and fan forums last night on the drive home. They loved and feared our atmosphere as well as our team when Luis got the first.

They also wanted Spaghetti out  ;D

In my mind, the only failure would have been  if those who wanted to stand and be counted were not there. Had that occurred we would have lost more than a generation of fans.... We would have lost the identity that underpins walking through a storm.
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 06:15:30 pm »
Love them. Thank you.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 12:37:03 pm »
Enjoy.
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 12:43:57 pm »
Stop analysing it and start feeling it.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2013, 12:59:15 pm »
Spot on!

I was so proud of everyone on thursday night. Best atmosphere at Anfield for a long time.

I don't mind saying that, along with those to the left and right of me, in 305, I completely lost myself, so carried away with singing/shouting/hollering was I. Two and a half days later, my throat is still hoarse and sore but if that is all it takes to get my team playing with as much passion as the fans in the terraces could throw at them then fuck it, I'm perfectly happy to be hoarse and sore every week of the season.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2013, 01:17:34 pm »
Amazing OP. I'm not ashamed to admit that I welled up reading it.

It evoked strong mental images and hope and fighting spirit for the future. It goes to show that if we as supporters can truly get behind the lads, then we can achieve great things.

Let's make Anfield a roaring cauldron once again. We can truly be the 12th man, invoking that extra bit if belief and confidence in the players when they need it most.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2013, 01:46:24 pm »
Wonderful OP and exactly right. I don't think I've ever been prouder of being a red than after Hulk's goal went in. Anfield's response was awesome.

I've had many friends and colleagues, supporters of other teams, come up to me and gush with praise about what they saw. And if being proud of an immense effort by players and supporters make me somehow subject to a losing mentality, then I'll have that every day rather than the booing contempt from 'fans' of 'winners' like Arsenal and Chelsea.

I think Thursday night was the moment when Brendan, Luis and several others realised and felt to their very marrow what it means to be a part of this club. The support was amazing. I'm still buzzing!
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2013, 01:46:48 pm »
 Three Anfield atmospheres stand out for me. I'm not old enough to have attended the 1965 Inter and 1966 Celtic games, but Everton 1970, St Etienne 1977 and Chelsea 2005 are up there without doubt. Thursday's was excellent, not just because it was loud and colourful, it was the sheer bloody mindedness of it, like Istanbul we would not be cowed or dismayed. The belief in out team was undeminished and we knew we could help. Having Luis on the pitch was hope in itself. His performance demaded that we remembered who we are. I gravitated to the Main Stand years ago as I got older, more cynical and developed my moaning gene. Thursday made me remember my nights of collective pride, passion and never say die games on the mighty Kop. Thanks everyone.

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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2013, 01:47:10 pm »
Same here left Rhyl on the 2-45 was in the Globe by 4-15,quite a few of the faces already in,then joined by Dave Dubai,Kev Lumley&Few others,got taxi to 12th man for bout half six,couple in there then off to Dave's favourite watering hole,the Albert,great welcome there off the veterans,also a few of their lot in there,went to the toilets was stood next to a Russian,told him in no uncertain terms the shite we went through at their place,turned round to be facing another 4 of them,zipped up& made a very hasty exit!!
Went into the kop(105) at 7-40,stood right behind the Sir Bob flag,atmosphere the best for a long time,didn't seem to let up,will remember the Suarez free kick forever,what a lad,what a player in just 2 years he is one of the best I've ever seen wear the red
After the game macco suggests the park& ride to lime street,why do I ever listen?, bus takes half hour to get there,when taxi usually has us in spoons for 10-15,about 11 quite a few of their lot are coming in all wearing colours,aren't we a welcoming city,a few start bouncing up&down,notice a few of our lads on phone to mates!
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2013, 01:58:38 pm »
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2013, 02:02:05 pm »
Exhilarating OP. Thanks for the rewind to Thursday's emotions.

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2013, 02:07:07 pm »
I think Thursday night was the moment when Brendan, Luis and several others realised and felt to their very marrow what it means to be a part of this club. The support was amazing. I'm still buzzing!

Cheers mate - when the OP was buzzing round my head this morning a comment along those lines was in there.  Unfortunately brain cell loss due to old age and too many Friday night beers left me with the literary equivalent of "now what did I come in here for" and so missed it out.

Also, out of interest Sevo, at what age does the moaning gene really start to kick in?  I fear it's coming and I feel it may be overdue. 
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2013, 02:12:08 pm »
Couldn't agree more VDM. Thank you for putting into words pretty much how I was feeling as well.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2013, 02:17:59 pm »
Love that OP VDM , Thursday night just reminded me what makes being a Liverpool fan that little bit different to other clubs, yes other clubs fans get behind there clubs in games like these but for us to do it after their first goal is what makes us stand out from the rest

Totally agree about the people moaning in the post match thread, sure Carra did a mistake, maybe Rodgers  shouldn't of done the substitutions when he did or for who he took on/off (no-one knows), but for me although gutted we didn't get the 4th ,the only thing in my head after that game was how proud I was if each and everyone in that stadium from players to manager to fans, negative shit just doesn't come into my head straight after a performance like that, and if it does for you then you truly have lost what the enjoyable part of being a fan really is, maybe you've never had it

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2013, 02:47:44 pm »
Cheers mate - when the OP was buzzing round my head this morning a comment along those lines was in there.  Unfortunately brain cell loss due to old age and too many Friday night beers left me with the literary equivalent of "now what did I come in here for" and so missed it out.

Also, out of interest Sevo, at what age does the moaning gene really start to kick in?  I fear it's coming and I feel it may be overdue. 

VDM - joined the ranks of the bewildered in 1996. The guy behind me was a fantastic moaner. My mate and I used to wait for his first - his record is " You're a bag of shite Barnes" (15 seconds). I have yet to reach those levels and stlll sing YNWA (only it's usually alone). I wish I could turn the clock back to my days on the Kop when even a mundane game against Stoke was a treat. Great OP made me proud to be an old Koppite.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2013, 02:52:10 pm »
Also, out of interest Sevo, at what age does the moaning gene really start to kick in?  I fear it's coming and I feel it may be overdue.


No chance some of us don't have that moaning gene and never will, If you've reached 43 and it hasn't kicked in there's good and bad news. The good news is after extensive research of the data from the Human Genome project, you're officially immune from that horrible affliction moaning at the match. The bad news is it means plenty of arguing with whoppers when you might be too old for the consequences  ;)


Question for the moaners, what is more likely to turn around a game, encouragement like Thursday night or groans every time you make a mistake, especially with the young players. Yes we've got shortfalls but that Liver-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerpool, Liver-eeeeeeeeeeeeepool after conceading might have turned around a few other games the past few seasons but then you'd have less to moan at, so I suppose it makes sense you miserable bastards ;D



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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2013, 02:54:50 pm »
VDM - joined the ranks of the bewildered in 1996. The guy behind me was a fantastic moaner. My mate and I used to wait for his first - his record is " You're a bag of shite Barnes" (15 seconds). I have yet to reach those levels and stlll sing YNWA (only it's usually alone). I wish I could turn the clock back to my days on the Kop when even a mundane game against Stoke was a treat. Great OP made me proud to be an old Koppite.

It's a pleasure mate, I think Thursday wound back the clock a bit for a lot of us.

On the moaners, I think we all have had someone like that sat within earshot at some time or other.  You almost have to admire their dedication to the sledging art.  No target is off limits.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2013, 02:57:36 pm »
Great OP.  Agree with the sentiments in the replies too.   Walking out of the ground on Thursday night the over-riding emotion for me was not disappointment at having gone out - it was pride and pleasure at having been part of a wonderful, combined effort between players and fans which, although ultimately fruitless, proved that the magic is still there.
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2013, 03:01:15 pm »
I thought the whole team played well and did everything they could to claw back the 4 goals needed. We certainly didn't roll over and give up.

I read a pathetic assessment that gave most of our players 5 out of 10 or lower with a 2 for Carra.

I was proud of the attitude and hopefully this is the norm.
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2013, 03:37:17 pm »
Great write up.

The heart and soul of the club (the fans) haven't changed as much as people sometimes like to make out.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2013, 03:42:38 pm »
Brilliant OP.

All the moaners and whingers should be made to read it over and over again.
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2013, 03:44:41 pm »
My only problem with all this is ... cheering us on 'against the odds' seems to be the only time we get into full voice.  In other words, when we're the underdog.

I'm not too happy with us being in that position.

Had we got a 1-1 draw in St.Petersburgh, we would still have needed the Kop to be in full voice.  But would it have been?

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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2013, 04:01:38 pm »
My only problem with all this is ... cheering us on 'against the odds' seems to be the only time we get into full voice.  In other words, when we're the underdog.

I'm not too happy with us being in that position.

Had we got a 1-1 draw in St.Petersburgh, we would still have needed the Kop to be in full voice.  But would it have been?

Only seems to come to life when we need a 'miracle'.

Rich, a long long time ago, an ancient Indian Shankly like figure added this quote to the Sama Veda:

“The mettle of a man is tested in adversities and he, who remains firm in his beliefs comes out shining.”

As I remember it the atmosphere for, say, Real Madrid, was also electric, but as we romped to an jaw-droppingly easy win it switched from the passionate backing of the team to jovial celebration. 

The point is that the team really need the fans when they are up against it and so that is when as fans you really need to bury your own doubts and believe.
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2013, 04:05:33 pm »
I didn't think we still had it in us. Big European nights will always be our forte I feel.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2013, 04:08:20 pm »
That is a fantastic opening post.

I just hope performances like that on Thursday can stop the ideas that some players don't give a shite.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2013, 04:29:40 pm »

No chance some of us don't have that moaning gene and never will, If you've reached 43 and it hasn't kicked in there's good and bad news. The good news is after extensive research of the data from the Human Genome project, you're officially immune from that horrible affliction moaning at the match. The bad news is it means plenty of arguing with whoppers when you might be too old for the consequences  ;)


Thank fuck for that !

As far as I'm concerned , if you weren't proud of the team and support on Thursday , you don't get it and you'll never fuckin get it .
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2013, 04:48:36 pm »
I never managed to get to the Chelsea CL semi's a few years ago and that would surely have been the pinnacle, but the atmosphere in the kop on thursday was simply phenomenal. I never heard a single criticism of any of the players or the manager at any point throughout the game. Didn't sit down for even one second, even though I cut my leg on a bit of sharp plastic when the second goal went in through my mate nearly dragging me to the floor. By half time my throat was sore and I could hardly speak.

Absolutely fantastic night and just a shame the lads couldn't quite get over the finish line. It's nights like those that make you proud to be a red. There's nothing else quite like it.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2013, 04:53:10 pm »
Bang on VDM, great post.
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2013, 05:03:24 pm »
Tuesday night, on the train back from work. There was a young women with two young kids at one end of the coach. She was busy stopping the one year old from crying, so the two year old got bored and started running around the train. Whenever he went to far up the aisle, a big hand shot out and turned him round, back to his mum, with a deep "Wherrre is yourrrr motherrr". There's a a group of (slightly drunk) middle-aged men sat there, a dark blue-and-white scarf hanging from one of their bags. Zenit fans, over for the match. First European night buzz of the week!


Fantastic atmosphere, struggle to think when the last one like this was. We can still do it.


Was going to write more, but VdM's OP nails it. Was a great night, wish we would do that more often!
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2013, 05:25:08 pm »
Fantastic post VDM.

Couldnt understand people's thought process walking out when the '3 min of added time' board went up though. Of all times...of all games...stinks of the city fans on the last game of the season.

Its not over until its over. 3 minutes is a loooong time at the  end of a game....why risk walking down the stairs out of the turnstyles to hear that thunderous roar as we score the 4th...I just dont get it.

There was 4 lads who were walking out in 206 on 88 mins on my row. Safe to say, I gave the lad a mouthful. His excuse was that 'he was a STH for 15 years and can do what the fuck he wants'.  ::)

Anyway, apart from this, Thursday was the best atmosphere on the KOP in a long long time, and I was proud to be a part of it. If we can try and take that into the rest of the games this season, we may get our reward and get European football next season. I dont know about anyone else, but I want to be part of that kind of atmosphere as much as possible. If thats in the Europa, CL or any game, I dont care, thats what make us special and its the kind of game that you remember in years to come. I know I wont be forgetting that 3rd goal in a VERY long time! I still ache today! ;D
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2013, 05:35:25 pm »
Start feeling it...

Exactly why I love Europe.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2013, 06:21:17 pm »
Yeah.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2013, 06:55:01 pm »
Lovely post Mr De Mayo. I would have given it a 10/10 but there wasn't enough talk about the substitutions for my liking.
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2013, 07:14:51 pm »
Or the Liverpool 3 - 1 Zenit St. Petersburg EW Report

Before I start I want to make two points.  Firstly to those forumites who would have us believe that the UEFA Cup is not worth contesting that 4th place and the Champions League is all.  Just try telling that to the lads who actually go to the game.  Just try telling that the 40,000 who hollered, roared, sang, bounced and willed us towards an improbable comeback last night.  Does this competition matter?  To fucking right it does.

Secondly, to those forumites who tell us that our fanbase is fucked, that it is corrupted with numpties, bells, wools and beauts. Maybe it is but my god we can still be bloody brilliant when we want to be.  That game would not have happened at any other ground in the country.  No other ground in the world would have reacted to Hulk's opener the way we did. Bums would hit seats, chins would hit the floor, the moaning and sniping would start.  If we still had in-game threads I am sure that it would have started here.  What we got at Anfield though was that marvellous thing, unconditional support, walking head held high through the wind and the rain for the team.  Anyone can support a side when they are romping home, still giving a side your full vocal backing when you need four goals in the next 70 minutes just to stay in the competition. That's support.

I had the day off on Thursday so I got, what is a rare treat for me these days, the chance to spend the day in town.  It always has a special atmosphere on a big European matchday, with groups of reds from home or abroad milling around and mingling with those who have travelled supporting whoever we are playing.  There were a lot of small groups of Zenit fans wandering about but it's on occasions like this when you realise just why we become a news story when we descend on foreign shores.  There aren't many clubs that take over the centre of their host towns with the same colour and humour as we do on our travels.  The UEFA cup is a fine competition and the list of British managers who have won it is very short and contains some illustrious names (and Keith Burkinshaw) but UEFA have messed with it and tarnished it's lustre, it could really have done with the spectacle of a Scouse army painting Amsterdam red to reapply a little of its sparkle.  Zenit may make worthy finalists but I think its safe to say that their fans for all their bouncing in the ground will not add hugely to the occasion.

So into the ground early and straight to the seats.  The Kop already awash with flags and the atmosphere building nicely.  An early YNWA and then George wisely cuts the speakers and leaves it to the crowd.  Things are warming up nicely and after the normal UEFA branded nonsense there is a rousing, bellowed, passionate, nerve-jangling rendition of YNWA.

The game begins and before long a real test of our mettle, Carra turning and trying to play the ball back in one movement scuffs his pass and turns it into a perfect through ball for Hulk who runs onto it and gives Reina no chance with his clinical finish.  We now need four goals and the ground and the team is reeling.  On the pitch heads look like they might drop.  Luckily on the terraces, belief is dragged from the depths of our despair and once more the chant of Leeeeeeeeeeeevuhhhrpool Liiveeeeeeeeehhhhrpool cranks up and grows, and grows.  Heads are lifted, hearts swell, courage flows from stand to pitch, this is not over yet.

Suarez pulls one back from a free kick and as half-time approaches the ground is buzzing, we are pushing them back, we can fucking do this.  We just need another before half-time.  The swashbuckling Enrique gets to the byline and crosses, Allen heads goalwards but it is saved. The ball is loose.  A welsh leg reacts quickest and prods over the keeper and into the roof of the net.  Pandemonium.

Half time flies by and we emerge for the second half and lay siege to Malafeev's goal.  Zenit are defending with both discipline and commitment though and clear cut chances are hard to come by so when we get another free kick in a promising position we really need Suarez to work his magic once more.  It looks too far out though it will have to be something truly exceptional to beat a keeper of Malafeev's class.  It was exceptional.  It was bloody peerless, over the wall and whipping beyond the keeper's outstretched fingers and into the corner of the Kop goal.  The ground erupts.  Only one goal needed now and thrity minutes to get it. 

Zenit are visibily wilting - or so it seems through my partisan red tinted adrenaline pumped goggles.  In the event it is us who slowly run out of steam.  The superhuman efforts of the previous sixty minutes taking their toll, tiring limbs allow Zenit to regain a foothold in the game, grab a bit of possession and relieve the pressure on their goal.  There are still chances, another Suarez free kick is saved, as is a Gerrard shot, Shelvey hits the side netting when well placed.  Eventually however the referee rules that we have run out of time. Two sides crumple.  Those in red through effort and the disappointment of thwarted ambition, those in white through relief that their ordeal by fire is over.  That somehow, improbably what looked at 830 like it was going to be a stroll has by 945 turned into one of the longest and hardest nights of their careers.

YNWA is ringing around the ground for the third time, the team applauded off like Champions.  Regardless of the result it was another famous Anfield night.  Proof that together we are more than the sum of our parts and we can make the impossible possible.  The improbable probable. 

If your reaction to all that was to come onto RAWK and question the manager's substitutions then in my view you are missing the point.  Stop analysing it and start feeling it.
We disagreed with each other somewhat in the post-match thread.  However, I do agree with what you're saying here.

I also still think the substitutions were an utter fuck up.  That doesn't mean I didn't think the atmosphere was great, the comeback was enthralling, the way we were set up initially wasn't spot on.  It simply means that rather than my emotions being at a complete high as they were after Olympiakos, Istanbul and so on, they were tempered by our ultimate failure.

Ultimately, it wasn't another Istanbul or Olympiakos was it?  It was bloody close, extremely close and in some ways incredibly frustrating.

As I said, I agree it was another great European night and there were loads of positives to take away, far outweighing the negatives.  But do please allow me my lingering feeling of frustration alongside this.  I can't help it because I really did want the win, the Europa is a good competition and I'm ultimately gutted we're out.  If that cup didn't matter, we wouldn't be bothered would we?
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2013, 07:17:36 pm »
Thank fuck for that !

As far as I'm concerned , if you weren't proud of the team and support on Thursday , you don't get it and you'll never fuckin get it .


Sums it up for me.

It's never been about winning games at any cost. It's always been about doing things properly and showing a bit of class, win lose or draw.

We did it right on thursday night, both players and supporters. If we continue to do that then we'll always win.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2013, 07:55:02 pm »
I totally agree with the poster who said cant people see that to get behind the team when we are playing badly can only make them improve were as moaning will just make them worse. I can't understand why fans cant see that as soon as they start that groaning and moaning the players start getting more nervous how hard would it be to belt out a players name after he has made a mistake in encouragement.  I am 56 been going the Kop 45 years an thankfully even though the moaning gene has kicked in in my real life and I admit to moaning about some players or decisions I would never do it at the Match.  I was so proud of the whole club on Thursday 1st time for a long time that the people around me were singing. I would rather go to a game like that and come out feeling that we had given our all players and supporters alike even if we got beat then sit through a game when the crowd and some of the players don't even seem to have turned up even if we win it. I know its a two way street and the players need to perform but if they come out to a roaring crowd they will start better then if they come out to a lack luster crowd. So lets hope Thursday will encourage a few more people to get behind the lads from now on.

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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2013, 08:18:58 pm »
Really class OP. agree with every word.
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Re: It's not over till its over - Zenit's time to hold your head high
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2013, 05:59:17 pm »
Top OP that.

Might just be me but when that when Suarez put us 3-1 up, I felt like I did when Xabi put in that peno against Chelsea at the bridge. I believed, that rush of blood you live for as a football supporter, knowing that your team can fucking do it, no matter what the odds were at the start. It may take us half a decade to get back to the level of that night at the bridge, but its a feeling I long for, and I had it for the first time since Rafa got sacked this game. I believe in Rodgers, and the KOP, fucking thing of beauty on a European night once more. Really want us to be back in Europe for more nights like that, more experience for the young but exciting coach at the helm, and progress one step at a time. Maybe one day in the next 5 or 7 years, it'll be the other big boys fearing drawing us in the CL like it was under Rafa.
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