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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29040 on: May 19, 2019, 09:27:05 am »
What a terrible analogy :D

It's like Mercedes using some illegal technology and Toto Wolf crying about Ferrari everyday saying how easy Ferrari had it.

Which would be valid if he’d spent his entire career at Man City.

The reality is that you could delete City from his career and he’d still be regarded as hugely successful for what he did at Barcelona alone. I know people claim he inherited a great squad and explain the achievements away that way, but the reality is what he did at Barcelona was incredible and a period of dominance they’ve struggled to replicate since he’s left.

I’m no massive fan of his, I find him annoying and smug, but credit where it’s due, the guy is a fantastic manager and to suggest otherwise is pretty daft.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29041 on: May 19, 2019, 09:27:52 am »
With Kompany going, I wonder how long it will take for the 'Virgil van Dijk to City' stories to start appearing.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29042 on: May 19, 2019, 09:29:39 am »
With Kompany going, I wonder how long it will take for the 'Virgil van Dijk to City' stories to start appearing.



Unlikely.

Sure they will spend another 200/300 million.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29043 on: May 19, 2019, 09:30:35 am »
Guardiola bitching in press conference when asked about FFP

‘Do you think I deserve this question on the day we won? Are you suggesting I recieved money’

Twat. Surely he knows damn well that isn’t the point. Though the money you do earn is blood money pep and you walk around laughing and joking with murderers

But even that still isn’t the point
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29044 on: May 19, 2019, 09:31:05 am »
What a terrible analogy :D

It's like Mercedes using some illegal technology and Toto Wolf crying about Ferrari everyday saying how easy Ferrari had it.

He gets mad offended over anything negative about City and Saint Peppy.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29045 on: May 19, 2019, 09:31:14 am »
Kompany leaving to start a new career as a Russian spy in the Baltic.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29046 on: May 19, 2019, 09:31:16 am »
His self-entitlement really grinds, this expectation that he has to be respected by everyone. A great football coach he maybe but as a man he is utterly tedious and the hypocrisy of him takes your breath away. The yellow ribbon, the way he answered the question yesterday I wonder if there is anything genuine about him at all. Their football is boring too it lacks an excitement but most of all its the organisation behind City which will continue to deny him the praise he is longing for. Get over yourself Guardiola.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29047 on: May 19, 2019, 09:32:07 am »
Feel like Kompany wants no part of what’s about to come
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29048 on: May 19, 2019, 09:33:29 am »
Feel like Kompany wants no part of what’s about to come

He’s probably got a job as head of Uefa.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29049 on: May 19, 2019, 09:36:11 am »
Jm.
The debate is Pep at City.
Until yesterday Pep is Pep..today Pep is embroiled in it or i am just completely shit at reading reactions.
Peps achievements at City could well be tainted,we will all have to wait and see regarding that,couldn't give a flying fuck what he has done elsewhere.
My only concern about all this is whether City's owners have some leverage on Fifa/Uefa & then this all goes away.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29050 on: May 19, 2019, 09:38:34 am »
Jm.
The debate is Pep at City.
Until yesterday Pep is Pep..today Pep is embroiled in it or i am just completely shit at reading reactions.
Peps achievements at City could well be tainted,we will all have to wait and see regarding that,couldn't give a flying fuck what he has done elsewhere.
My only concern about all this is whether City's owners have some leverage on Fifa/Uefa & then this all goes away.
Of course they do.

They give them enormous amounts of money.

They are also a phenomenally wealthy country.

Even if UEFA actually gave a damn it would be incredibly difficult.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29051 on: May 19, 2019, 09:38:42 am »
Guardiola bitching in press conference when asked about FFP

‘Do you think I deserve this question on the day we won? Are you suggesting I recieved money’

Twat. Surely he knows damn well that isn’t the point. Though the money you do earn is blood money pep and you walk around laughing and joking with murderers

But even that still isn’t the point

That wasn't his answer to FFP- it was his answer to if he was getting a second source of income from Abu Dhabi like Mancini was.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29052 on: May 19, 2019, 09:39:08 am »
Kompany leaving to start a new career as a Russian spy in the Baltic.

No chance..you can just see him peeping around a corner  with that bulbous balloon head..easily caught.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29053 on: May 19, 2019, 09:41:04 am »
He gets mad offended over anything negative about City and Saint Peppy.

What the fuck are you on about?

Just because I don’t believe that every ref in Britain is under control of the Abu Dhabi state and that a manager whose won multiple European Cups and league championships is shit, doesn’t mean I like City. If you have a balanced view on things then people take what you say seriously and you don’t come across as a fucking teenager sat at home on a laptop crying ‘corruption’ every time City win a match.


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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29054 on: May 19, 2019, 09:41:55 am »
I get the impression that Guardiola was too thick to understand City's status in the hierarchy of English football when he accepted the job. People outside England are normally insulated from perceptions in England and he probably thought City won't have a problem being venerated as the biggest team in England as soon as the trophies started to pile up. I doubt his legacy would take a massive battering as a consequence of him having managed City, but it'll still be tainted a bit. City are too synthetic for this success to matter.
That’s not right, he was definitely aware of it and in fact in a way that was the appeal for him - there are quotes from him on taking the job where he talks of City as a club with no history, as a blank slate for him to do his thing.  It isn’t true but you can see how it looks like it from his perspective so let’s go with it.

Where he’ll be confused - and to be fair I’m also surprised by this - is that this is still where they are, after four titles and a load of cups.  This isn’t how Chelsea got treated, and there’s very little difference between them.  Chelsea were a joke minnow club when they reached the cup final in 1994 yet they got treated as a legitimate big club as soon as they won the league.

Here are a few suggestions why:

a. Chelsea are in London, so the media didn’t ignore them;
b. Chelsea play in an original, albeit totally rebuilt, stadium;
c. Chelsea’s run-up felt longer, and even those few years pissing about Europe with Dennis Wise and Franck LeBoeuf have somehow mutated into an impression of history; City’s equivalent is losing 8-1 to Middlesbrough and Stuart Pearce bringing on David James upfront;
d. even City’s first title still felt like a joke, whereas Chelsea stormed to theirs;
e. Chelsea’s football/personnel translated as culturally English; definitely not the case with City;
f. City are boring in almost every way; Chelsea had the good luck to look like pantomime villains once Mourinho took over; the papers love a panto villain;
g. to an extent Chelsea were expanding, alongside the premiership, into terra incognita; City aren’t, they’re muscling out and diminishing existing forces; in other words Chelsea did to us roughly what City are doing to United, but we were still hitting back and growing too, whereas that might not be the case for Utd; or to put it another way, it was all new money then, whereas for some reason now we believe the status quo in 2006 was the natural order of things;
h. Chelsea did it first and people got suckered in by it; ignoring City is a subconscious way of making amends.

My guess is that e. is the key point, but I dunno really, maybe there are things I’m missing.  I never really understood why nobody ever talks about Jaws II either.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29055 on: May 19, 2019, 09:42:06 am »
Never got his rancid hands on a European Cup.  Never even got close.

That’s a shame.

I wonder which abhorrent regime he’s going to go and be a hatchet man for next.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29056 on: May 19, 2019, 09:44:20 am »
What the fuck are you on about?

Just because I don’t believe that every ref in Britain is under control of the Abu Dhabi state and that a manager whose won multiple European Cups and league championships is shit, doesn’t mean I like City. If you have a balanced view on things then people take what you say seriously and you don’t come across as a fucking teenager sat at home on a laptop crying ‘corruption’ every time City win a match.

Haven’t seen anyone ever call him shit, you fight against things that don’t even exist just to defend City and Peppy. Very odd.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29057 on: May 19, 2019, 09:46:28 am »
Guardiola bitching in press conference when asked about FFP

‘Do you think I deserve this question on the day we won? Are you suggesting I recieved money’

Twat. Surely he knows damn well that isn’t the point. Though the money you do earn is blood money pep and you walk around laughing and joking with murderers

But even that still isn’t the point

Feels like this needs to keep happening. Everytime they win ask them about the money, the corruption and legality of how they got to where they are.
Next ask them about the morality of their owners and how they can live with being associated with that.

I am surprised and pleased that journalists are moving in this direction as it needs to be done more.
The more the questions are asked instead of revelling in the success of what is clearly a very good team the less and less their winning means. The more of a pariah the team becomes, the less and less new players will want to go there. Eventually Guardiola will have had enough and leave.


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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29058 on: May 19, 2019, 09:47:34 am »
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29059 on: May 19, 2019, 09:48:35 am »
With Kompany going, I wonder how long it will take for the 'Virgil van Dijk to City' stories to start appearing.



He literally rejected them for us whilst we were in a much worse state than we are now, he isn't leaving anytime soon.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29060 on: May 19, 2019, 09:49:20 am »
Also a massive fan of the media stressing Pep out to fuck, yesterday he was very angry. Drive him out of England please.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29061 on: May 19, 2019, 09:49:35 am »
Is it though?

Of course there is still a ton of work to be done even when you have unlimited resources but can you really see Pep winning what he has at a club like West Ham for instance?
But he didn't simply succeed. In the last two seasons his Manchester City team amassed nearly 200 points. This season we had one of the best teams in the PL history, but we still finished 2nd. His Barcelona and Bayern sides weren't simply "good". They will go down as two of the best of out generation and Guardiola is up there as one of the most successful coaches in those clubs history.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29062 on: May 19, 2019, 09:49:49 am »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48325845
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29063 on: May 19, 2019, 09:49:53 am »
Weird the journalists have waited to now.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29064 on: May 19, 2019, 09:55:02 am »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48325845Haha.

Fucking hell, pass the sick bucket. What a gobshite he is. Seems like some brainwashing is also going on there too.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29065 on: May 19, 2019, 09:55:48 am »
Jm.
The debate is Pep at City.
Until yesterday Pep is Pep..today Pep is embroiled in it or i am just completely shit at reading reactions.
Peps achievements at City could well be tainted,we will all have to wait and see regarding that,couldn't give a flying fuck what he has done elsewhere.
My only concern about all this is whether City's owners have some leverage on Fifa/Uefa & then this all goes away.

It's not just about City though its about the other teams who are pissed off with what City and PSG get away with. UEFA cannot afford to ignore it, if they do the other teams will act and they have power to make an impact. Even the FA is coming under pressure now to do something.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29066 on: May 19, 2019, 09:57:02 am »
Guardiola bitching in press conference when asked about FFP

‘Do you think I deserve this question on the day we won? Are you suggesting I recieved money’

Twat. Surely he knows damn well that isn’t the point. Though the money you do earn is blood money pep and you walk around laughing and joking with murderers

But even that still isn’t the point
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29067 on: May 19, 2019, 09:57:03 am »
He’s probably got a job as head of Uefa.

You mean forehead of UEFA
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« Reply #29068 on: May 19, 2019, 09:58:59 am »
That’s not right, he was definitely aware of it and in fact in a way that was the appeal for him - there are quotes from him on taking the job where he talks of City as a club with no history, as a blank slate for him to do his thing.  It isn’t true but you can see how it looks like it from his perspective so let’s go with it.

Where he’ll be confused - and to be fair I’m also surprised by this - is that this is still where they are, after four titles and a load of cups.  This isn’t how Chelsea got treated, and there’s very little difference between them.  Chelsea were a joke minnow club when they reached the cup final in 1994 yet they got treated as a legitimate big club as soon as they won the league.

Here are a few suggestions why:

a. Chelsea are in London, so the media didn’t ignore them;
b. Chelsea play in an original, albeit totally rebuilt, stadium;
c. Chelsea’s run-up felt longer, and even those few years pissing about Europe with Dennis Wise and Franck LeBoeuf have somehow mutated into an impression of history; City’s equivalent is losing 8-1 to Middlesbrough and Stuart Pearce bringing on David James upfront;
d. even City’s first title still felt like a joke, whereas Chelsea stormed to theirs;
e. Chelsea’s football/personnel translated as culturally English; definitely not the case with City;
f. City are boring in almost every way; Chelsea had the good luck to look like pantomime villains once Mourinho took over; the papers love a panto villain;
g. to an extent Chelsea were expanding, alongside the premiership, into terra incognita; City aren’t, they’re muscling out and diminishing existing forces; in other words Chelsea did to us roughly what City are doing to United, but we were still hitting back and growing too, whereas that might not be the case for Utd; or to put it another way, it was all new money then, whereas for some reason now we believe the status quo in 2006 was the natural order of things;
h. Chelsea did it first and people got suckered in by it; ignoring City is a subconscious way of making amends.

My guess is that e. is the key point, but I dunno really, maybe there are things I’m missing.  I never really understood why nobody ever talks about Jaws II either.

One thing I noticed at the time in the 90's, Chelsea brought in wonderful players who were likeable, the likes of Gullit, Desailly, Deschamps, Zola, Vialli etc. Vialli always came across as a nice fella and when he got made manager, I don't remember anyone having anything bad to say about him. By the time Abramovich bought Chelsea in 2003, they had at least raised their profile, both home and abroad and the progression, especially with the money being spent, was expected.

This shower just came into a shit club with no record of anything and expect everyone to swallow the bullshit that City are an attractive club worthy of world record sponsorship deals.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29069 on: May 19, 2019, 09:59:54 am »
Weird the journalists have waited to now.

Not really, with the lawyers they have to be careful until they are sure its proven. Maybe people are being drip fed information which means they can be more bold now. One of the biggest contentions City have made recently is the way information has come into the spotlight. There is definite leaking going on from somewhere. Which is why Guardiola was asked the question yesterday. Something seems to be developing.
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29070 on: May 19, 2019, 10:00:45 am »
Can see these going all out for De Ligt now.

He was photographed in Barcelona airport yesterday. Apparently he’s just on “vacation” though.......

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« Reply #29071 on: May 19, 2019, 10:01:38 am »
Weird the journalists have waited to now.

Winning all three domestic titles combined with the 6-0 Cup win has finally hit home that the PL is turning into Scottish football.  So they start to question how this can happen.

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« Reply #29072 on: May 19, 2019, 10:02:24 am »
Just had a quick look on the BBC sport site. I feel a bit ill now. So much praise for cheats, its nauseating. Pip and Kompany have no shame. I shudder to think how easily money can change people's morals or maybe some are just innately ignorant.

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« Reply #29073 on: May 19, 2019, 10:02:32 am »
He was photographed in Barcelona airport yesterday. Apparently he’s just on “vacation” though.......

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29074 on: May 19, 2019, 10:02:39 am »
You know, I'm just wondering...if say like...we were called Liverpool United, and Everton were called Liverpool City, how I'd feel about a similar situation arising as has occurred with the two Manchester clubs? In spite of a large family of blues I pledged my troth to Liverpool at the tender age of 7 having [ironically] seen King Kenny playing against FC Bruge and grabbing that winner.

Even now, I still like to remind me Dad (blue) that we live in "Liverpool" and not Everton. Nobody in the family lives anywhere near Everton. So in terms of footballing representation of where we were born and were we live, it's within the boundaries which comprise the city of Liverpool etc..

Anyway, so much for that argument in this day and age of 'global' followers, but yeah...in old money, I've definitely got me 'red' credentials very firmly established and am fortunate to follow a club based on where I live, and the broader affection I have for Liverpool as a home, not just as a football club.

However, if there were TWO teams which bore the "Liverpool" ident...and they distinguished themselves by being either United or City, I think I'd really struggle not to want success for both of them, merely based on the fact that either one of them is capable of bringing glory and repute to "Liverpool" which as a parochial supporter, is all I'd really care about. I would not be conned in the slightest by the fact that there are two teams with the Liverpool ident, or any supposed rivalry and ill feeling which had been garnered between the two.

My support is not for any 'club' per se, as a corporate entity, my support is for my City, my home, the place were I was born, were I live. The name that's on all the mail that arrives at my house. I'm just blessed that Liverpool FC are the sole footballing representatives of the place I happen to have been born, and lived my life in. This makes my alignment feel very normal and natural. My investiture is also 'logical' based on this premise.

However, if there was no Everton FC and instead, there was Liverpool United, and Liverpool City, and if Liverpool City were taken over by oil money, making them a modern day powerhouse to rival Liverpool United, I still think I would smell a very large rat. The first thing I would be absolutely certain about would be the fact that the word "Liverpool" was now being used as a brand, and that "Liverpool City" were definitely piggy-backing on the back of Liverpool United's successes by means of an association which was already built into their own name, and was utterly ripe for 'branding' exploitation.

I'd definitely feel like my home city was now being used and exploited by global forces who had absolutely no real reason to plant any flags within my city boundaries other than to further their own dark interests. I do not believe that these same 'said' forces would be interested in a club called EVERTON. There's no immediate branding there for them to exploit. That would be like pumping money into a club like OLDHAM Athletic. I mean. What's the point of spending billions trying to put them 'on the map' in footballing terms? Honestly?

I think Manchester City are being 'used' and I also believe that the only thing they possessed that their investors identified as an asset was the word "Manchester" in their club's name. And why would that name be such a huge asset for a company to try and market into a global state? Quite simply because Manchester United had already done the bulk of that work for them by virtue of their sustained success and their well earned 'global' reach as Manchester's TRUE footballing ambassadors.

But surely two successful clubs are better than one when it comes to bringing glory to a city? Even if one of them is just a fake, financially engineered exploitation of the original club's global reach? Well this has not happened to us in Liverpool yet...for reason's I've already outlined. If it ever did however, I'd like to think I could identify which club had heritage and was bringing pride to my city, and which club was being used and exploited and (trophies aside) bringing nought but shame and mockery to it.

             

 
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29075 on: May 19, 2019, 10:03:15 am »
Haven’t seen anyone ever call him shit, you fight against things that don’t even exist just to defend City and Peppy. Very odd.

If you can find one example of me defending City then I’m all ears. I just think if you want people to take you seriously then you need to focus on the things that can be proven rather than wild conspiracy theories. In City’s case you’re spoilt for choice, you’ve got their fucking idiot supporters, a video of their players singing songs about fans getting battered, their shite trophy celebrations, the exorbitant sums of money invested in them and the likely reality that they’ve broken financial fairplay rules en route to winning their trophies. To be honest, it wouldn’t surprise me if they would bribe the referees if they could get away with it but having spent this season watching more of their games than I’d like to, there’s little evidence of that happening, it would be even harder to see it happening next season with VAR.

The same is true of Guardiola, if you want to have a dig at the guy there’s plenty of fucking ammunition to choose from, he’s fucking irritating. But if you want people to take you seriously then I don’t think that criticising his managerial ability, or saying that it means nothing because he’s always manages the top clubs in the respective division, is the right way to go about doing it. If you ever go onto the cesspit that is Bluemoon then you’ll see their fans spouting the exact same stuff about us and Klopp.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29076 on: May 19, 2019, 10:07:42 am »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48325845

I see a team in China signing him for £150m, all above board of course
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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29077 on: May 19, 2019, 10:08:18 am »
But he didn't simply succeed. In the last two seasons his Manchester City team amassed nearly 200 points. This season we had one of the best teams in the PL history, but we still finished 2nd. His Barcelona and Bayern sides weren't simply "good". They will go down as two of the best of out generation and Guardiola is up there as one of the most successful coaches in those clubs history.

Yes, his Barca team is one for the histories. But his Bayern team? I mean that was just on par really. 3 failed attempts in the CL with the mass of talents he had at his disposal. They were among the favourites to win the CL each of those seasons yet he continued to fail.

The reason his Barca team will be one for the ages is because he brought the total football philosophy back the way he did. He gave chances to the players who was produced in La Masia, most of that squad was homegrown. What he did there was amazing, he got the very best out of those players. However Barca has continued its success after him, but still not in the same manner really. At City he has just bought it all, nothing special about it, people dont care about them.

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29078 on: May 19, 2019, 10:14:36 am »
Anyone seen the video of Pep and Sterling discussing the game at the trophy presentation?

Proper playing up to the cameras

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Re: General Manchester City thread
« Reply #29079 on: May 19, 2019, 10:14:52 am »
Jm.
The debate is Pep at City.

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Good luck to him if he ever has to take a job without a ready available squad or unlimited money (Barca, Munich, and City).

He’ll nevee go down as a great because he’s been handed it all on a plate.

Unless I’ve lost the ability to read, that is taking his entire career into account. As I’ve said before, if you look at his career in the isolation of his time at City then it’s a reasonable argument to say that he won’t be considered in the same breadth as other top managers, but that would be the wrong way to look at it as he hasn’t only managed Man City.