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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1480 on: October 22, 2017, 06:02:27 pm »
Has to start his transition to CB now, and should probably be first choice already to be honest

He hasn't yet proved that he's not good enough, which is more than can be said for the alternatives

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1481 on: October 22, 2017, 06:06:47 pm »
He's done quite well so far this season.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1482 on: October 22, 2017, 06:08:31 pm »
Quite frankly, if our experienced players are making so many mistakes, we may as well blood our top youngsters and let them get their mistakes out of their system and develop in the team. A bit like Spurs! We could certainly take a leaf out of their book.

I think we may start to see more of Gomez, Trent, Grujic, Woodburn and Karius. Let them all develop together.
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1483 on: October 22, 2017, 06:08:49 pm »
We will lose the aerial dominance of Lovren, but vastly improve passing, ability on the ball and pace.

Hope to see him more.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1484 on: October 22, 2017, 06:11:27 pm »
Start him.

Disappointing that this is the level we find ourselves at but so be it.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1485 on: October 22, 2017, 06:11:41 pm »
We will lose the aerial dominance of Lovren, but vastly improve passing, ability on the ball and pace.

Hope to see him more.

'We will lose the aerial dominance of Lovren'   ;D

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1486 on: October 26, 2017, 12:12:29 am »
We will lose the aerial dominance of Lovren, but vastly improve passing, ability on the ball and pace.

Hope to see him more.

 :lmao

I know what you are saying but quite an ironic time to make that statement!

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1487 on: October 26, 2017, 12:14:38 am »
Gomez is fast as hell.
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1488 on: October 26, 2017, 12:19:47 am »
Quite frankly, if our experienced players are making so many mistakes, we may as well blood our top youngsters and let them get their mistakes out of their system and develop in the team. A bit like Spurs! We could certainly take a leaf out of their book.

I think we may start to see more of Gomez, Trent, Grujic, Woodburn and Karius. Let them all develop together.

Not sure it works that way. It would be fine if there was very little expectation on the players. The problem is that they are under immense scrutiny and if they make a mistake that costs us points then they are pilloried by everyone including some of the fans that called for their inclusion. This ends up being detrimental to their progress because it shatters their confidence. Part of the reason why they look very good as youngsters is because there is no expectation upon them, and they are given the confidence to go out and just play their natural game without worrying too much.

I agree Gomez should feature more because he's been reasonably solid and although he is not suited as a RB I think he would actually be pretty good at CB. I don't think he'd be entirely error prone and he has the physicality and pace to not require the same degree of protection that Lovren, Klavan or Matip need by our CMs.

I think Grujic, Woodburn and TAA are still a bit raw. They are making good progress featuring regularly at the U23 level and I would hope that they start in the Maribor home game and perhaps some other cup ties as the season goes on. Often such players have more of a role to play at Xmas or in the final months of the season when fixtures are very congested and injuries and suspensions have a role to play.

Not sure on Karius. I think he's not good enough. Would rather we went with Ward.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1489 on: October 26, 2017, 10:39:45 am »
Has to start his transition to CB now, and should probably be first choice already to be honest

He hasn't yet proved that he's not good enough, which is more than can be said for the alternatives

If he's starting his transition, he needs to do it in the 23s or on loan because he'll not be afforded the luxury of time with the Wums on here. I personally don't think he's ready even in the games he played at 23 level when getting back from his injury he was ruinous in his decision making and positioning. He is a work in progress who can cover right back for Clyney. Don't want to kill his Liverpool career by exposing him at centre back yet.
 

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1490 on: October 26, 2017, 10:58:42 am »
'We will lose the aerial dominance of Lovren'   ;D
yeh, we will really miss, his flying superman ,attempted headers  :no

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1491 on: October 26, 2017, 11:38:47 am »
If he's starting his transition, he needs to do it in the 23s or on loan because he'll not be afforded the luxury of time with the Wums on here. I personally don't think he's ready even in the games he played at 23 level when getting back from his injury he was ruinous in his decision making and positioning. He is a work in progress who can cover right back for Clyney. Don't want to kill his Liverpool career by exposing him at centre back yet.
 

He's already played a shed load of u23's, he's beyond that and just a week ago he was the best player on the pitch against two excellent forwards. He looked rusty last season in large part to his layoff but also because of how big he was; he was far too muscular to play top level football and since Klopp told him to cut the weights he's recovered all his mobility that he had pre-cruciate which is impressive in of itself.

And honestly, any young player coming through at any large club has to contend with an impatient set of fans ready to kill their careers before they begin. You don't think Donnarumma, Romagnoli, Denis Suarez, Christensen, Winks or whoever have to deal with idiots who don't think they can do certain things? Heck we signed Sakho aged 23 after he'd captained his boyhood club and some still thought he looked like a championship player. That's fans, some just like football as a basic escape (I mean we all do) so don't really take time to formulate adequate opinions on players.

He'll make mistakes but he's also fast, he can recover them - like he did after a bad pass on Sunday - and more importantly at 20 he can learn from them. Not only that Klopp can hone his style, he can become more aggressive and dominant as he ages, it's not something set in stone; look at Pique for example, as he's aged he's gone from a passive style with Puyol to a much more aggressive style, or alternatively Ramos has gone from incredibly aggressive to being able to drop and become passive.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1492 on: October 26, 2017, 03:58:58 pm »
I don't disagree with anything you say, his talent is obvious - it is the timing which I'm not sure about.  I think each of the examples you give have been away on loan to get experience - certainly Christensen had a couple of seasons of first team action at Gladbach. Donnarumma is the exception - that lad must have balls of steel - having been in such a pressured environment from a young age.
Maybe Jomez will surprise us and become a mainstay at centreback, indeed I hope he does, just don't see it at this time.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1493 on: October 26, 2017, 11:14:02 pm »
:lmao

I know what you are saying but quite an ironic time to make that statement!
'We will lose the aerial dominance of Lovren'   ;D
yeh, we will really miss, his flying superman ,attempted headers  :no
I'll assume all of you made these comments in good jest.  ;)

But yes, plenty of irony at the time but sure - but doesn't discredit that actual fact - he is our most dominant defender in the air.  ;D

Still wanna see Joe though - having pace and calmness on the ball at CB is something we have missed for years. 

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1494 on: October 27, 2017, 12:36:31 pm »
I'll assume all of you made these comments in good jest.  ;)

But yes, plenty of irony at the time but sure - but doesn't discredit that actual fact - he is our most dominant defender in the air.  ;D

Still wanna see Joe though - having pace and calmness on the ball at CB is something we have missed for years. 


Can provided that when he was part of a three. Probably his most effective period for us and he was someone who could play out from the back without everyone chewing their nails or watching the game from behind fingers.
He's better now but his early career as a deep lying centre mid was punctuated with lapses in concentration and dwelling on the ball in our half. Has improved with experience but it is that lack of situational appreciation that is evident in Joe Gomez today. He will get better for sure but lets allow him to make his mistakes elsewhere and not risk this talented youngster entering the centreback graveyard that claimed Coates, Illori, Wilson, Ayala, Soto, Palletta and others.
Actually take Soto out of that he was way past it by the time we got him.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1495 on: October 27, 2017, 12:44:10 pm »
I think playing at RB has really helped him and for me that's his best position currently, as I think his attacking game is underrated -  as he has shown a few times this season.  I feel Carragher benefitted playing full back, after initially struggling at CB, before moving to become the CB we remember.  It can be a good position to learn and gain experience for a defender.

If he plays CB, he is certainly going to make mistakes.  But Lovren, who you'd have thought he'd be replacing has been doing this regularly, so we won't be in a worse situation really.  But ideally he'd be coming alongside a CB who will take the pressure off him, like a Van Dijk, who can deal with the physical or oppositions star striker.

Lovren is our most physical CB, despite his size Matip is pretty passive and not the presence he should be.  If Lovren goes out of the side, then Matip is really going to have to step up and take more responsibility if Gomez is alongside him.  He needs to be more vocal, more physical, imposing and being the leader we hoped he'd be when we signed him.

Clyne coming back will reduce the pitch time for Gomez, so with Lovren really struggling it makes sense he gets a chance at CB to develop, learn and it might really pay off in the long term for us.  But we have to accept he's not the finished article, he will make plenty of mistakes and it's not the easiest set up for a young CB to come into.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1496 on: October 28, 2017, 05:09:51 pm »
Another game and another clean sheet. This season is about racking up the experience and getting a full season behind him without injury. What a great long term prospect for us and England this player is. Under Klopp, he's going to just keep improving.

I'd like to see him be more aggressive on attacking corners and get a couple of goals this season too.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1497 on: October 28, 2017, 05:24:21 pm »
Thought he was excellent today. The lad has got bags of talent.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1498 on: October 28, 2017, 05:24:28 pm »
I got the impression he played a bit deeper today, with Salah's starting position being around the wing-back area. Pleased with his performance and development so far - great to see him perform to such standard after injury nightmare
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1499 on: October 28, 2017, 05:30:18 pm »
another excellent game today  :wellin

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1500 on: October 28, 2017, 05:30:53 pm »
I got the impression he played a bit deeper today, with Salah's starting position being around the wing-back area. Pleased with his performance and development so far - great to see him perform to such standard after injury nightmare
I thought it was Milner and Wijnaldum taking in turns to do the wide stuff? Salah went wide a few times but never tracked back.

Gomez was definitely deeper though.
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1501 on: October 29, 2017, 12:53:59 am »
Needs to be played at centre back at some point. He has done alright at right back but it's clear his position long term is centre back and he can hardly do worse than the people infront of him. Maybe when Clyne comes back so there is some experience next to him.

Bags of talent though. Maybe even try him as a destroyer. He is fast enough.
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1502 on: October 29, 2017, 08:22:07 am »
Needs to be played at centre back at some point. He has done alright at right back but it's clear his position long term is centre back and he can hardly do worse than the people infront of him. Maybe when Clyne comes back so there is some experience next to him.

Bags of talent though. Maybe even try him as a destroyer. He is fast enough.

Yes, this is where his ling term future is, and can't wait to see him play a run of games there. Like you say, I think we need to wait until Clyne is back to do it.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1503 on: October 29, 2017, 11:47:31 am »
I believe he has potential as a centre half and I can see why he is starting his journey (hopefully) towards being a first team regular at right back. But if I had been Salah yesterday he would have frustrated the hell out of me.

The number of times he didn’t open his body up and play Salah in down the line was bordering on ridiculous in that first half. Salah was our best hope of breaking them down in that first half but Joe seldom gave him the ball.

Manquillo used to do the same.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1504 on: October 29, 2017, 11:50:04 am »
I'd like to see him be more aggressive on attacking corners and get a couple of goals this season too.

He doesn’t go up for corners, does he?

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1505 on: October 29, 2017, 01:31:19 pm »
I think he'll be a great CB in the near future for us. He's not doing too bad as a RB, and I think it's great experience for him to have when he does eventually move over to play CB.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1506 on: October 29, 2017, 04:57:59 pm »
We've got a player on our hands here.  Getting stronger by the game, really want to see him in the middle with Matip once Clyne is back.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1507 on: November 2, 2017, 01:02:58 pm »
Called up to the England squad

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1508 on: November 2, 2017, 01:13:27 pm »
Called up to the England squad

Well done Joe.

He's doing well since he's found his place back in the first team, which is great after how long he struggled with his injuries. I know he's only 20 still, but I think if he'd not picked up a long term injury he'd never really had lost his place in the team and would be a brilliant player. If he can stay fit I think he might well end up being one though.
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1509 on: November 2, 2017, 03:48:40 pm »
Absolutely chuffed for the lad especially the long-term injury he had
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1510 on: November 2, 2017, 04:15:04 pm »
Well deserved, come back from injury stronger and better.
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1511 on: November 2, 2017, 05:34:42 pm »
Well done, lad, very much deserved. Lovely to see him doing so well after the injury. Testament to his ability (and TAA's, to be fair) that we haven't really missed Clyne at all, and that's with Joe playing in his less-favoured position. Hopefully, when CLyne returns, we'll see what Gomez can do as a centre half.

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1512 on: November 2, 2017, 05:36:25 pm »
Congratulations to him, he deserves it!

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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1513 on: November 2, 2017, 05:40:11 pm »
Yep, congratulations to him.
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Re: Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1514 on: November 2, 2017, 05:42:11 pm »
Good luck. Just hope the England injury curse doesn't kick in.

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Re: England International Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1515 on: November 2, 2017, 06:22:28 pm »
Sounds like he'll get a run out as one of the 3 centre halves.

As long as they don't cripple him that would be England doing us a big big favour.

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Re: England International Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1516 on: November 2, 2017, 10:52:53 pm »
Great news, he deserves it.

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Re: England International Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1517 on: November 3, 2017, 04:53:46 am »
Great news. He was such a talent at Charlton before and I'm so relieved he recovered so well. Hope we see him play more centrally as the season progresses.

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Re: England International Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1518 on: November 4, 2017, 08:18:38 pm »
Be thankful your name's not Lovren.
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Re: England International Joseph Gomez
« Reply #1519 on: November 4, 2017, 08:20:10 pm »
Be thankful your name's not Lovren.

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If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.