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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #600 on: January 8, 2012, 06:29:43 pm »
Rodwell's sending off was rescinded and there's no way Kompany's tackle was any worse than that one, in fact I would say Rodwell's was far more aggressive.

Can't agree there, for the record, I thought both were fine and it's becoming a game for tarts but if Nani doesn't jump, Kompany has a major problem, it was two feet, scissor style challenge and definitely in the 'reckless' category as far as the modern rules go, Rodwell dived in but won the ball with his other foot on the floor

As someone stated earlier, as in the Derby, the game, tension and atmosphere have to be taken into account

It won't be rescinded and he will miss both legs in my opinion

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #601 on: January 8, 2012, 06:37:29 pm »
They'll be knackered. We'll get a draw.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #602 on: January 8, 2012, 06:39:06 pm »
Can't agree there, for the record, I thought both were fine and it's becoming a game for tarts but if Nani doesn't jump, Kompany has a major problem, it was two feet, scissor style challenge and definitely in the 'reckless' category as far as the modern rules go, Rodwell dived in but won the ball with his other foot on the floor

Rodwell came down onto the ball with his studs, Kompany was low, won the ball cleanly and wasn't showing his studs. There was no danger of injuring Nani, unlike Rodwell who could've broken Luis' ankle if he'd mistimed it slightly.

As someone stated earlier, as in the Derby, the game, tension and atmosphere have to be taken into account

It won't be rescinded and he will miss both legs in my opinion

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #603 on: January 8, 2012, 06:54:35 pm »
Rodwell came down onto the ball with his studs, Kompany was low, won the ball cleanly and wasn't showing his studs. There was no danger of injuring Nani, unlike Rodwell who could've broken Luis' ankle if he'd mistimed it slightly.

Agreed.

I need to watch the Kompany one again, what I saw before was his studs are defo up and the only reason Nani wasn't clattered was because he jumped, couldn't find the vid on Youtube

Regardless, I just don't think it will be rescinded, letter of the law and that

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #604 on: January 8, 2012, 06:58:17 pm »
I need to watch the Kompany one again, what I saw before was his studs are defo up and the only reason Nani wasn't clattered was because he jumped, couldn't find the vid on Youtube

Regardless, I just don't think it will be rescinded, letter of the law and that
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #605 on: January 8, 2012, 07:14:03 pm »
As soon as I heard it was even slightly questionable, I knew it would be rescinded.

Worst possible result for us: United win because he's missing, but it's a dodgy card so his appeal is granted and he can play against us.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #606 on: January 8, 2012, 07:23:24 pm »
As soon as I heard it was even slightly questionable, I knew it would be rescinded.

Worst possible result for us: United win because he's missing, but it's a dodgy card so his appeal is granted and he can play against us.

You just fucking know it don't you? It was a ridiculous decision though and I fully expect it to be overturned.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #607 on: January 8, 2012, 07:36:09 pm »
I see some media sources are already defending the tackle saying it shouldn't be red as he got the ball .... erm, excuse me, so dd Spearing.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #608 on: January 8, 2012, 09:43:18 pm »
Agree Spearings should of been rescinded but we didnt appeal, but the wolves player wasn't a red and it never got rescinded and kompanys would have been a lot worse if nani hadn't jumped
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #609 on: January 8, 2012, 10:22:10 pm »
I've just watched it again in slow motion and I really can't see how it can be rescinded. It may have appeared a little harsh but he left the ground with both feet in the air to make the tackle. It didn't look too bad as Nani jumped out of the way, however, per the law it was a red card.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #610 on: January 8, 2012, 10:48:06 pm »
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                     Spearing.    Adam. 

 Henderson.        Gerrard.           Downing. 

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #611 on: January 8, 2012, 11:09:19 pm »
                              Reina

Johnson       Skrtel        Agger       Enrique   

                  Henderson    Spearing 

 Downing                Gerrard           Bellamy

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This is the team I'd like to see us put out. Shit load of speed to hit them on the counter and Carroll to test them in the absence of Kompany. I wouldn't mind us telling Adam to take a week off and have a holiday.  We need him playing his best football and the last 2-3 week he's really dropped off.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #612 on: January 9, 2012, 12:57:12 am »
I will be gobsmacked if Kompany's red card was rescinded, based on the recent basis for red cards, this was one.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #613 on: January 9, 2012, 01:04:16 am »
Some one asked Balotelli on twitter if he would be playing to which he said

@BethluvsJLS11 Roberto is yet to decide, he does not want me to get attacked by Stewart Downing

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #614 on: January 9, 2012, 01:05:45 am »
Yeah, it's Balotelli on twitter alright.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #615 on: January 9, 2012, 01:06:08 am »
I will be gobsmacked if Kompany's red card was rescinded, based on the recent basis for red cards, this was one.

I agree. It's too debatable and technically/letter of the law it's a red. This is regardless of the fact I thought it was an outstanding tackle.

What an opportunity for us though.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #616 on: January 9, 2012, 01:08:47 am »
You just fucking know it don't you? It was a ridiculous decision though and I fully expect it to be overturned.

It wont be overturned . Guaranteed.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #617 on: January 9, 2012, 02:02:35 am »
Referees have been told this season that any challenge off the ground with two feet = automatic red card.

If they stick to that then it won't be rescinded, even if the challenge wasn't that bad in reality.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #618 on: January 9, 2012, 02:03:43 am »
Some one asked Balotelli on twitter if he would be playing to which he said

@BethluvsJLS11 Roberto is yet to decide, he does not want me to get attacked by Stewart Downing

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #619 on: January 9, 2012, 02:12:37 am »
Agree Spearings should of been rescinded but we didnt appeal, but the wolves player wasn't a red and it never got rescinded and kompanys would have been a lot worse if nani hadn't jumped
Did any of the wolves or arse players get charged for surrounding the ref?

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #620 on: January 9, 2012, 02:20:15 am »
Okay, sure it's been asked already and not trawling through 16 pages to find out, but..

Will a decision on his appeal be made before the game on Wednesday or will he be likely to play while the appeal is being judged? For the life of me i can't think how long red card appeals usually take to be settled.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #621 on: January 9, 2012, 02:46:48 am »
Okay, sure it's been asked already and not trawling through 16 pages to find out, but..

Will a decision on his appeal be made before the game on Wednesday or will he be likely to play while the appeal is being judged? For the life of me i can't think how long red card appeals usually take to be settled.

i saw somewhere that they can push the appeal to thursday so he would be able to play against us. 

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #622 on: January 9, 2012, 02:53:14 am »
I'm sad that City lost their FA game, it would have been something to split their attention. Now I hope we kick them out so that they can focus on the Premiership and we can win a trophy in February, tie up a Europa place and take it from there. This team would perform better without added pressure.

Fuck that.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #623 on: January 9, 2012, 03:00:44 am »
You just fucking know it don't you? It was a ridiculous decision though and I fully expect it to be overturned.

On the flipside look at Milinas and his faliure at appealing. Mick McCarthy will fume if this one gets overturned.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #624 on: January 9, 2012, 03:07:29 am »
i saw somewhere that they can push the appeal to thursday so he would be able to play against us.

Ahh right cheers, so they haven't actually lodged the appeal yet? Mancini just said they intend to?

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #625 on: January 9, 2012, 03:14:55 am »
i saw somewhere that they can push the appeal to thursday so he would be able to play against us.

I'm almost 100% certain that an appeal must be made within a day or two of the sending off, and that it is heard before the next game.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #626 on: January 9, 2012, 03:17:28 am »
I'm almost 100% certain that an appeal must be made within a day or two of the sending off, and that it is heard before the next game.

to be honest i'd have thought this would be the case to stop clubs taking advantage.. with a card appeal at least, not say for instance an appeal for giving the finger to Fulham fans.. In which case i believe you are given a date by which you are allowed to appeal?

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #627 on: January 9, 2012, 03:19:43 am »
didnt united delay an appeal last year so ferdinand could play in the semi final? 

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #628 on: January 9, 2012, 03:20:45 am »
didnt united delay an appeal last year so ferdinand could play in the semi final?

Haven't a clue, really should brush up on these laws some time. Was that for a red card yeah?

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #629 on: January 9, 2012, 03:25:26 am »
Haven't a clue, really should brush up on these laws some time. Was that for a red card yeah?

yeah neither do i.  i am just quoting what i saw on another football forum.  im probably wrong...

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #630 on: January 9, 2012, 03:39:47 am »
yeah neither do i.  i am just quoting what i saw on another football forum.  im probably wrong...

Yeah well can see em pulling out all the stops even if it means just having him for one of the legs.. No disrespect to Cardiff or Crystal Palace but whoever wins our game will be red hot favourite for a trophy.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #631 on: January 9, 2012, 05:30:29 am »
I would like this team to start:-


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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #632 on: January 9, 2012, 05:41:17 am »
:lmao Slurgie is such a c*nt

Yeah defintely. He's spot on this time though, Kompany does dive in an awful lot.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #633 on: January 9, 2012, 06:23:54 am »
Just looking at the recent appeals over red cards by other teams and the outcome is normally decided within two days so can't see city being able to drag it out so he can play whatever the outcome of the ban to be.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #634 on: January 9, 2012, 06:25:22 am »
If Kompany is out, Andy will have a better time ....i guess
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #635 on: January 9, 2012, 07:02:10 am »
Kompany, jay not red cards, good fucking tackles, wolve's guy not a red card clearly, lampard potential leg-breaker (ref bottled and gave yellow), cabaye potential leg breaker (not even a card), barton's head rub (red upheld after appeal) vs dempsey's (yellow - and much worse to me) and that's just a few over the last couple of games

Standard of refs this season is at all time low for me, pathetic, tackles will be fazed out of the game in years to come, it'll end up shadow play and fuckall contact.

If the wolve's red wasn't rescinded I can't see how Kompany has got a hope even tho it was a good tackle.

Good for us but one more nail in the coffin of our game, FA are fucking killing the sport (throw in the reduced ban for rooney for clear violent conduct after FA marches to FIFA with a group of lawyers and the game fucking stinks to high heaven when the muppets are involved).
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #636 on: January 9, 2012, 08:14:51 am »
Thought Kompany's was a red card alll day long, the scissor tackle is the worst type of tackle, he was off the ground and had no control. If Nani had not of jumped it could have been a leg breaker. It is irrelevant if the ball was won cleanly and whether someone got hurt.
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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #637 on: January 9, 2012, 11:03:48 am »
Kompany, jay not red cards, good fucking tackles, wolve's guy not a red card clearly, lampard potential leg-breaker (ref bottled and gave yellow), cabaye potential leg breaker (not even a card), barton's head rub (red upheld after appeal) vs dempsey's (yellow - and much worse to me) and that's just a few over the last couple of games

Standard of refs this season is at all time low for me, pathetic, tackles will be fazed out of the game in years to come, it'll end up shadow play and fuckall contact.

If the wolve's red wasn't rescinded I can't see how Kompany has got a hope even tho it was a good tackle.

Good for us but one more nail in the coffin of our game, FA are fucking killing the sport (throw in the reduced ban for rooney for clear violent conduct after FA marches to FIFA with a group of lawyers and the game fucking stinks to high heaven when the muppets are involved).

Kompany went in two footed near a player. It's always potentially going to be a red. Can't see how an appeal will succeed. Cabayes and Lampards should've also been straight reds, but because they weren't incorrectly given (imho) doesn't make Kompanys less of a red. And yes I recall Gerrard v Naysmith.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #638 on: January 9, 2012, 11:06:06 am »
It's pretty simple for players, don't tackle with both feet in the air and you've got a high chance of being ok.

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Re: Man City v Liverpool: Carling Cup SF 1st Leg - Wed 11th Jan
« Reply #639 on: January 9, 2012, 11:09:38 am »
I don't think the Kompany tackle was a red card - I don't even think it was a foul, or rather, I don't think that it should be considered a foul.  However, according to the laws of the game, it probably, technically was and that is why this shouldn't be overturned.  But with the FA, you never know. 

The paranoid amongst you might suspect that a red card for Kompany that gets rescinded is perfect for them - helps Utd win the game, Kompany gets a rest and he is back to face us...  :-X

If Kompany is banned, with Kolo and Yaya also missing, I'd back us to win both legs.
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