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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3200 on: February 28, 2014, 12:17:57 am »
There is no battle for 4th anymore. If someone above us want to battle us for it, I'd give it away and take 3rd.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3201 on: February 28, 2014, 12:36:55 am »
There is no battle for 4th anymore. If someone above us want to battle us for it, I'd give it away and take 3rd.
there is definately still a battle for 4th, its good to be confident but not blindingly, 6 points is nowhere near a certainty.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3202 on: February 28, 2014, 12:42:08 am »
there is definately still a battle for 4th, its good to be confident but not blindingly, 6 points is nowhere near a certainty.
Sure, mathematical possibilities... For Spurs to catch us, they have to match us for 9 of the 11 remaining games, and have to win two when we lose two by a goal difference of more than 16 goals each. Unless they trash us at Anfield by a scoreline like 0-16. Or if we suddenly collapse. Like that's gonna happen...
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3203 on: February 28, 2014, 01:04:34 am »
Regardless of what we do (excepting the games we have against them) Arsenal can pick up 92 and City and Chelsea can pick up 90, Spurs can get 80.

We can get a maximum of 89 if we take each game as it comes and succeed, all we can do is ensure it is 89 that we get, that we pass 80 points at the earliest opportunity and that we are ready if 1 or more of those ahead up slip up.

Next task Southampton.

I like statements of the bleeding obvious but that's what matters at the business end of the season and that's what United did in 2009 when we started thinking we were in with a chance.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3204 on: February 28, 2014, 01:37:44 am »
I like statements of the bleeding obvious but that's what matters at the business end of the season and that's what United did in 2009 when we started thinking we were in with a chance.

To be fair during the run in we were incredible. Only dropped points against Arsenal I believe. The games post Newcastle away that really killed us while United were simply relentless after their Club World Cup commitments.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3205 on: February 28, 2014, 06:12:10 am »
Just another tiny potential fly in the ointment - I am pretty certain that if Spurs won the Europa they now get a CL spot meaning only top 3 would qualify.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3206 on: February 28, 2014, 06:16:30 am »
Just another tiny potential fly in the ointment - I am pretty certain that if Spurs won the Europa they now get a CL spot meaning only top 3 would qualify.
nah don't worry about it, firstly, that rule doesn't come in to affect until next season. secondly, spurs probably wont win it.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3207 on: February 28, 2014, 06:57:37 am »
After the rule change (season 14/15) the only way fourth won't get a champions league berth is for both European champions to be from England and both to be outside the top four.

0 European winners: Top 4
1/2 European winners within Top 4: Top 4
1 European winner outside Top 4: Top 4 + 1
2 European winners both outside Top 4: Top 3 + 2
2 European winners one outside Top 4: Top 4 + 1

Tl;dr it's 5 maximum and only one unlikely scenario that fourth doesn't qualify.
Of course it's become more likely seeing how the top four is now more likely to change annually than ever before.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3208 on: February 28, 2014, 07:33:56 am »
After the rule change (season 14/15) the only way fourth won't get a champions league berth is for both European champions to be from England and both to be outside the top four.

0 European winners: Top 4
1/2 European winners within Top 4: Top 4
1 European winner outside Top 4: Top 4 + 1
2 European winners both outside Top 4: Top 3 + 2
2 European winners one outside Top 4: Top 4 + 1

Tl;dr it's 5 maximum and only one unlikely scenario that fourth doesn't qualify.
Of course it's become more likely seeing how the top four is now more likely to change annually than ever before.
Isn't the Europa place exactly that- a fifth CL place(incl 1st-4th)?

EDIT: Oh sorry- didn't think there. Carry on.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3209 on: February 28, 2014, 07:45:06 am »
nah don't worry about it, firstly, that rule doesn't come in to affect until next season. secondly, spurs probably wont win it.

Ok cheers, I knew it was happening but wasn't certain when.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3210 on: February 28, 2014, 08:07:41 am »
People will absolutely be taking the Europa seriously next season.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3211 on: February 28, 2014, 08:10:35 am »
There is no battle for 4th anymore. If someone above us want to battle us for it, I'd give it away and take 3rd.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3212 on: February 28, 2014, 08:47:48 am »
People will absolutely be taking the Europa seriously next season.

With a CL place up for grabs should they win it. Most definitely. Best idea UEFA have had for the Europa league to date.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3213 on: February 28, 2014, 08:54:23 am »
To win the league I suspect we'd need to win all our remaining games, i.e. the next 11 (considering Chelsea's easy run in).

That would make it 14 league wins in a row, a new league record.

Extremely unlikely to say the least. But fuck it, make us dream Redmen.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3214 on: February 28, 2014, 09:07:06 am »
With a CL place up for grabs should they win it. Most definitely. Best idea UEFA have had for the Europa league to date.
To think they struggled with "a number of ideas over the years to make Europe's second biggest competition more attractive" *facepalm*

It's so obvious- even a child would've assumed the Europa winners would get a CL place!

Can only be UEFA.
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In such a sumptuous festival of shite, I wouldn't be so quick to pick a winner..

But he'd make the shortlist

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3215 on: February 28, 2014, 09:45:30 am »
To think they struggled with "a number of ideas over the years to make Europe's second biggest competition more attractive" *facepalm*

It's so obvious- even a child would've assumed the Europa winners would get a CL place!

Can only be UEFA.

Could even have improved it further by making it the 2 teams in the final getting a CL place. Then the semifinal/quarterfinal games would have been even more intense.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3216 on: February 28, 2014, 09:49:04 am »
To win the league I suspect we'd need to win all our remaining games, i.e. the next 11 (considering Chelsea's easy run in).

That would make it 14 league wins in a row, a new league record.

Extremely unlikely to say the least. But fuck it, make us dream Redmen.
With Lucas and Sakho both back training, I think we have a lot to look forward to :)

To think they struggled with "a number of ideas over the years to make Europe's second biggest competition more attractive" *facepalm*

It's so obvious- even a child would've assumed the Europa winners would get a CL place!

Can only be UEFA.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3217 on: February 28, 2014, 09:54:34 am »
Spurs need 3 wins more than us (with at least one of ours a defeat) from 11 games. If we beat them at Anfield, that's 4 from 10.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3218 on: February 28, 2014, 10:11:13 am »
Spurs need 3 wins more than us (with at least one of ours a defeat) from 11 games. If we beat them at Anfield, that's 4 from 10.

Not really going to happen.


Really? Doesn't seem so far fetched. They aren't as good on their day as us but have the easier fixtures.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3219 on: February 28, 2014, 10:14:48 am »
Really? Doesn't seem so far fetched. They aren't as good on their day as us but have the easier fixtures.

You've not seen their next month or so then?


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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3220 on: February 28, 2014, 10:17:38 am »
We have got some difficult away games ( Southampton, Man U , west ham , to name just 3 ) and city and Chelsea at home.....that's 5 difficult games alone, it's not set in stone but they have to worry about us as much as we do them. This season is so fucking mental that we could miss out on the champions league or win the league itself .....not many seasons where that can be said...

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3221 on: February 28, 2014, 11:30:31 am »
Really? Doesn't seem so far fetched. They aren't as good on their day as us but have the easier fixtures.

Debatable. They have an easier run-in (which includes aways at WBA, Stoke and West Ham, by the way) but this is how March looks like to them:


Sun 02   Cardiff   White Hart Lane
Sat 08   Chelsea   Stamford Bridge   
Thu 13   SL Benfica   White Hart Lane   
Sun 16   Arsenal   White Hart Lane   
Thu 20   SL Benfica   Estadio da Luz   
Sun 23   So'ton   White Hart Lane   
Sun 30   Liverpool   Anfield   


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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3222 on: February 28, 2014, 12:17:19 pm »
We will end their 4th aspirations at Anfield and I'll be there watching :D  :wave :wave

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3223 on: February 28, 2014, 02:13:55 pm »
Debatable. They have an easier run-in (which includes aways at WBA, Stoke and West Ham, by the way) but this is how March looks like to them:


Sun 02   Cardiff   White Hart Lane
Sat 08   Chelsea   Stamford Bridge   
Thu 13   SL Benfica   White Hart Lane   
Sun 16   Arsenal   White Hart Lane   
Thu 20   SL Benfica   Estadio da Luz   
Sun 23   So'ton   White Hart Lane   
Sun 30   Liverpool   Anfield   


Good luck with that!

Thats quite a run of fixtures. If we beat Southampton and ManU, I think we'll trounce the other 3 in the month (Cardiff, Sunderland & Spurs)
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3224 on: February 28, 2014, 02:16:19 pm »
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3225 on: February 28, 2014, 02:20:09 pm »
From now until the end of the season will be a rollercoaster ride for us. We may not win the league but we must now have the attitude that we are in it to win it. I bet there will be a lot of twist and turn still. But we are in a good position to take our challenge deep into May.

I bet City and Chelsea are not looking forward to come Anfield. And we will be going to OT with a lot of confidence.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3226 on: February 28, 2014, 03:27:05 pm »
looking at all remaining fixtures I honestly think 3rd place, think Chelsea and city with their fixtures I think its between them for the league, I honestly think 3rd place is a good possibility, arsenal have a lot of tough games to play and we are capable of beating teams such as Southampton, Cardiff, Sunderland,  Norwich, palace and are capable of going to places like west ham and picking up results, also believe we can beat tottenham and Newcastle at anfield, city and Chelsea are going to be are tougher games at anfield. I'm not going to go ahead of myself with winning the league and I am saying 3rd for now but if we can beat united away and get a result from one of our games against city/Chelsea well we could well be looking at the title but shhhhh for now  ::).
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3227 on: February 28, 2014, 03:29:45 pm »
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3228 on: February 28, 2014, 03:37:18 pm »
Pellegrini banned for 3 games after comments after Barcelona game. Hopefully it will have some kind of negative effect.
Banned for PL games? That would be odd as the CL is a UEFA competition?

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3229 on: February 28, 2014, 03:38:20 pm »
Banned for PL games? That would be odd as the CL is a UEFA competition?
It's two games, two European games so won't have any affect at all on the league.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3230 on: February 28, 2014, 04:03:42 pm »
People will absolutely be taking the Europa seriously next season.

There are plenty of clubs around Europe who take it seriously anyway. That's why they win it.

I don't see how a mid table team will suddenly be able to go up a gear and take the 1 in 30 or 1 in 40 chance of winning it against a decent European side who were giving it there best anyway.

And if we were in a tight race with two other teams for fourth, fifth and sixth, would you want the manager to put all our eggs in the Europa League knockout basket, or focus on the league?
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3231 on: February 28, 2014, 04:15:27 pm »
There are plenty of clubs around Europe who take it seriously anyway. That's why they win it.

I don't see how a mid table team will suddenly be able to go up a gear and take the 1 in 30 or 1 in 40 chance of winning it against a decent European side who were giving it there best anyway.

And if we were in a tight race with two other teams for fourth, fifth and sixth, would you want the manager to put all our eggs in the Europa League knockout basket, or focus on the league?

That'd be easy, I think. Europa. If you come 4th, you get UCL. If you win Europa, you get UCL + Trophy. A European Trophy at that.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3232 on: February 28, 2014, 04:51:36 pm »
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3233 on: February 28, 2014, 05:42:45 pm »
Carra discusses our chances:

While it's tempting to think that Liverpool might cause an upset by nicking the title this season, Jamie remains pragmatic.

"I think the aim for everyone at the start of the season is a top four place and that's what Liverpool have at the moment," he says. "But look at how tight it is. Before Tottenham lost at Norwich they were only three points behind. It's such a tight league. You don't always see this. It's been a strange season."

He agrees that, under Brendan Rodgers' guidance, Liverpool could be in with a chance. "He's doing a brilliant job," he says of the manager. "It looks like Liverpool have a chance for the title. You could call it at least a title challenge. We haven't had that for a good few years now. You think of times under Gerard Houllier or Rafael Benitez, it took them a few years to have what you'd call a title challenge."

But he's too experienced not to sound a warning. "In terms of Liverpool going for the title, they can't be resting on their laurels," he states. "Being in fourth with a six-point lead, that could easily change. That's how tight the league is."

Full article: http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/carra-reds-in-the-title-race-30050573.html

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3234 on: February 28, 2014, 06:37:09 pm »
I hope all the pessimists about 4th are not match-goers. That sort of weakness can transfer onto the players you know. Stay at home and give your ticket to the most psychopathic (but law abiding) fan you know!

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3235 on: February 28, 2014, 06:53:51 pm »
That'd be easy, I think. Europa. If you come 4th, you get UCL. If you win Europa, you get UCL + Trophy. A European Trophy at that.

That assumes if you want one or the other it's going to happen.

If we were where we are now in the league (4th with 11 to play and 6 points clear) and also in the Europa League last 32 (and the CL place rule was in place) you're saying we should rest players for the League and concentrate on winning the Europa League?

I would probably agree but not because of the Champions League place, but because I think trophies are more important. But in terms of qualifying for the CL it would be throwing away a nailed on 4th place for a 1/32 chance of the cup.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3236 on: March 1, 2014, 04:06:05 am »
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-city-believed-among-76-3194845

City believed to be under investigation for breaching FFP rules.

Won't affect the league this year, but might curb their spending going forward if true.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3237 on: March 1, 2014, 05:36:12 am »
Looking out our goals conceded column makes for grim reading.

To put things into perspective we've conceded one less goal than Crystal Palace ! Sunderland have conceded only 7 more goals than us !

It's imperative we sort the defense out and become more solid.

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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3238 on: March 1, 2014, 05:43:33 am »
Someone's just pissed in your half empty glass.
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Re: Is it just a battle for 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st spot with 4 other teams now?
« Reply #3239 on: March 1, 2014, 06:45:36 am »
Someone's just pissed in your half empty glass.

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