Topic: a question for one of the mods

[Rhi]

When are these fuckin' trolls and newbies going to get banned?

Are you talking about anyone specific? The report button is there for anyone who thinks someone has gone too far. Otherwise we can all try to educate our newer members on posting styles / dos and donts etc.

[afc tukrish]

Are you talking about anyone specific? The report button is there for anyone who thinks someone has gone too far. Otherwise we can all try to educate our newer members on posting styles / dos and donts etc.

Rhi, Samie's looking for neither a reasoned, mature policy outline/assessment nor the responsibility of reporting to anyone.

He just wants the hammer...

[Samie]

You know me so well. 

[Mumm-Ra]

Why was the Nike trans thread locked? It all seemed respectful enough from what I can see.

I know this site isn’t the place to solve all the world’s problems but it is, for me, the best place to chat about current affairs on the internet. What is so scary about this topic that it can’t be spoken about, it’s a bit ridiculous at this point.

[24/7]

There was some stuff deleted. The thread was locked whilst deletion took place. You might not even notice what was deleted, thus creating the sense (read "illusion")of respectful debate....

It might reopen later. That's up to the mod what did it (having looked at what was deleted, it was a very reasonable action to take...)

Nothing "ridiculous" about it. If anything's "ridiculous", it's the reaction to modding this place, which is done by volunteers in their spare time and we're a Liverpool Football Club discussion forum. Everything beyond those two bolded words is a bonus, mate. You're welcome.

[Rhi]

I locked it because it had veered away from the original topic of Nike using a trans person as a model and to the usual suspects arguing their usual points about trans rights. We've seen and read it all before and I don't think it benefits anyone.

Like Jim says, I had also deleted some stuff.

[Mumm-Ra]

My 'ridiculous' comment wasn't about the overall modding on the site to be clear, just that it seems like no thread on any topic touching on this area can stay open, and as soon as anything questionable is posted it's locked and never to be spoken of again.

The 'boomer humour' nike photoshopped kit pic was daft and could have been swiftly deleted, no problem there

As for the discussion not benefitting anyone, I would beg to differ. It's a huge topic in society today, there's no getting away from it. It's pretty confusing for many, there's a lot of controversy and outrage, fake and otherwise. For example, are Nike and Bud Light making a real effort to be LGBT allies or are they cynically stirring the outrage pot?

There's a lot of stuff to discuss there and I genuinely don't know of a better place than RAWK to have the discussion - we have a lot of intelligent people from different backgrounds, obvious hate-speech and trolling is not tolerated, and there isn't the complete anonymity and throwaway nature of places like reddit or twitter. We are familiar with each other and hold each other accountable here to some degree.

I saw some thought-provoking posts in there from Bioluminescence and others that gave views I hadn't previously considered

This is just a general comment rather than specific to RAWK, but HomesickRed said it well and I think loads of RAWKites would agree: "I'm as confused as the next person and wary of stepping into this toxic debate." It feels like on one side you've got the right-wingers who LOVE to talk about this and search for stories to go mental about. On the other side you've got the extreme pro-trans people who are quick to call anything transphobic. And then you have 90% of the population in the middle, just scratching their heads wondering wtf is going on and what they are allowed to say. Shutting down the discussion isn't doing anyone any favours imo

[24/7]

Shutting down the discussion isn't doing anyone any favours imo

It's not shut down totally. It's being discussed in innumerable other places. Just not on RAWK beyond a certain point. Of all the people on the mod team, I'd suggest that Rhi is the most highly qualified to make that call and I'm sure I speak for the rest of RAWK Towers in supporting her judgement. If that disappoints you, perhaps this isn't the best place on the internet for you to find the education you seek on certain topics and perhaps that's just something you have to accept.

[ljycb]

It's not shut down totally. It's being discussed in innumerable other places. Just not on RAWK beyond a certain point. Of all the people on the mod team, I'd suggest that Rhi is the most highly qualified to make that call and I'm sure I speak for the rest of RAWK Towers in supporting her judgement. If that disappoints you, perhaps this isn't the best place on the internet for you to find the education you seek on certain topics and perhaps that's just something you have to accept.

Can't say fairer than that!

[Mumm-Ra]

It's not shut down totally. It's being discussed in innumerable other places. Just not on RAWK beyond a certain point. Of all the people on the mod team, I'd suggest that Rhi is the most highly qualified to make that call and I'm sure I speak for the rest of RAWK Towers in supporting her judgement. If that disappoints you, perhaps this isn't the best place on the internet for you to find the education you seek on certain topics and perhaps that's just something you have to accept.

Why the pissy condescension? Needless, I'm genuinely complimenting the site, I get a lot of interesting info here. It's my sole source of UK politics for instance and I bet it's the primary source of a lot of posters' US politics. Anyway, whatever - I don't get why the topic is so scary that it can't even be broached.

[afc tukrish]

Why the pissy condescension? Needless, I'm genuinely complimenting the site, I get a lot of interesting info here. It's my sole source of UK politics for instance and I bet it's the primary source of a lot of posters' US politics. Anyway, whatever - I don't get why the topic is so scary that it can't even be broached.

Genuinely think that wasn't pissy condescension but rather Jim being careful and measured in his reply.

[Mumm-Ra]

Sorry- On reflection I was a bit needlessly antagonistic here not sure why. I retract all my objections and close my feedback ticket. Appreciate all you do mods

[24/7]

Cheers - sometimes we come across a topic that either genuinely interests us or are passionate about and/or have skin on the game and we want to talk about it and/or learn and/or share our own experiences of that topic. In the Internet Age, it's easy to lose sight of the principles of relevance, context, suitability, appropriateness, etc., as well as sometimes the topic receiving disproportionate attention - and that's when moderation kicks in. We're not here to piss on people's chips or slam down the ban hammer at will or even look for threads to lock - I can't speak for the others but only for myself and am reminded of my days as a referee in Sweden when I'd say to any particularly vocal complaints that I didn't turn up that day wanting to blow a whistle - in fact, my fave matches are when I didn't need to blow one at all, other than to start/stop play for 'normal' reasons (kick-offs, goals, HT/FT).

It's the same here - a nice day as a mod is when we can sit back, watch hilarity/mayhem/educatio/banter/wit/sharing ensue and we don't have to delete/lock/warn/ban anyone or anything - and we always answer questions - sometimes the answer isn't what people want to read and that's understandable too. It's hard not to sound pissily condescending when trying to explain that. The general rule is we're here for the footie, first and foremost, although I freely confess I came here for the Hillsborough campaigning. Now that we've won the battle for the truth, but lost the war for the justice, and I know next-to-nothing about footie, maybe I should be taking my own advice and stepping aside......

Thanks for the appreciation though, it's always nice to read at RAWK Towers

[John C]

Sorry- On reflection I was a bit needlessly antagonistic here not sure why. I retract all my objections and close my feedback ticket. Appreciate all you do mods

I'm glad you've posted that Mumm-Ra, out of respect to you I'd bit my tongue not responding for a day or so because my only line would have been to say you're coming across as seemingly ungrateful and entitled by demanding the discussion.
Thank you for reflecting.

[GreatEx]

Not sure if this is the place to ask, but can one of the mods please unlock the Fantasy Premier League thread in the Betting sub-forum? I'm guessing it just missed the re-opening after our memorial day, no fireworks to be found there...

[KillieRed]

Some odd posts seem to have been added to the BBC thread? Possibly mis-merged if that’s the right phrase?

[Baby Huey]

Which one of you twits merged the dead musicians thread with the BBC thread.

I went to post about the death of Ahmed Jamal and ended up in another thread.

[24/7]

Haha really? That's a corker. Deffo not me though. In 14 years I've never once learnt how to do merge 😅

[SamLad]

Haha really? That's a corker. Deffo not me though. In 14 years I've never once learnt how to do merge 😅

PM rob, he probably knows.

[Baby Huey]

Haha really? That's a corker. Deffo not me though. In 14 years I've never once learnt how to do merge 😅

Excuses lad, nothing more. Get it fixed.

[John C]

Excuses lad, nothing more. Get it fixed.

Could have been a fuck up by me
I've created a new thread from the latest posts.

[duvva 💅]

Started seeing the “Watched” markers recently, but have just seen a “muted” one - what’s that effect? as I dont recall muting anyone

[Chakan]

Started seeing the “Watched” markers recently, but have just seen a “muted” one - what’s that effect? as I dont recall muting anyone

It's because you're technically a mod in the match comms sub forum. So you get to see a few things normal users can't. You're welcome.

[duvva 💅]

It's because you're technically a mod in the match comms sub forum. So you get to see a few things normal users can't. You're welcome.

Ah that does explain why I’ve started seeing those, and I get what Watched means but what does muted mean in terms of a warning on here? Has the poster been muted so no one can see their posts or does it mean they’re currently on a holiday?

[Chakan]

Ah that does explain why I’ve started seeing those, and I get what Watched means but what does muted mean in terms of a warning on here? Has the poster been muted so no one can see their posts or does it mean they’re currently on a holiday?

Muted just means they can read and not post for a certain period of time.

[24/7]

It kicks in automatically for warnings of 60% and higher. When the level drops (1% a day) below 60, muting deactivates.

What's hilarious is when people come back acting like knobs as soon as the mute is lifted.

Then we get creative...

[duvva 💅]

Cheers chaps

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Any chance that we could open it up again please because this article really needs to be in there.


Trent Alexander-Arnold on Premier League academies and release of players

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65399672

I'm off to bed but it'd be great if somebody posted it.

[Baby Huey]

Could have been a fuck up by me
I've created a new thread from the latest posts.

I meant to do this the other day, thanks, John.

[I've been a good boy]

Just noticed the CT addition. Mingebag status confirmed  

[Barneylfc∗]

Just noticed the CT addition. Mingebag status confirmed  

Big fan of you getting it and me not, given it was me that brought the subject to conversation 

[I've been a good boy]

Big fan of you getting it and me not, given it was me that brought the subject to conversation 

You offered the mods some coffee didn't you?

[CraigDS]

Is there any way of splitting the transfer thread in two - one for ONLY the discussion of the footballing merits of signing X player we are linked with, and one where those who want to talk about completely made up numbers they have no idea are true or not can chat amongst themselves in?

[afc tukrish]

Is there any way of splitting the transfer thread in two - one for ONLY the discussion of the footballing merits of signing X player we are linked with, and one where those who want to talk about completely made up numbers they have no idea are true or not can chat amongst themselves in?

 

[John C]

Happy Birthday mate

[afc tukrish]

Happy Birthday mate

Thanking you very much...

[reddebs]

Has something been changed with the 'recent unread posts' option on the forum?

There aren't any when I go to it but if I then click on the 'all unread posts' there's 47+ pages of them 🤷

[John C]

Has something been changed with the 'recent unread posts' option on the forum?

There aren't any when I go to it but if I then click on the 'all unread posts' there's 47+ pages of them 🤷

Not as far as I know Debs, Claire might know more.

[reddebs]

Not as far as I know Debs, Claire might know more.

Thanks John. 

[24/7]

Have you tried switching it off and on again?

(Log out, log back in, see if it clears what appears to be a glitch..)