Author Topic: Champions League draw (Read 85379 times)

The only example I remember is 2001/02.

We had Boavista, Dortmund and Kiev in our 1st group and Barcelona, Roma and Galatasaraay in our 2nd group.

In the 2nd group we only won 1 game out of 6 and came 2nd. Galatasaraay only lost once and came bottom of the group. Incredibly tough group at the time.

I’d be against it since it’s loads more games and disparity between strength of clubs would mean that even a 2nd group stage might not have that much jeopardy. Certainly less than the current KO format

Ray K · « **Reply #132 on:** December 9, 2021, 03:46:36 pm »

Quote from: SouthDerryLaggo on December 9, 2021, 03:30:26 pm

I don’t ever remember a second group stage

The Roma game when Ged made his comeback from his heart op was a 2nd round group game. the only game we won, and we still went through.

red_Mark1980 · « **Reply #133 on:** December 9, 2021, 03:55:12 pm »

2002-2003 was the last time they did it.

I think we finished 3rd in the group that year, Valencia won that group managed by a certain R. Benitez

LovelyCushionedHeader · « **Reply #134 on:** December 9, 2021, 04:24:02 pm »

Quote from: red_Mark1980 on December 9, 2021, 03:55:12 pm

2002-2003 was the last time they did it.

I think we finished 3rd in the group that year, Valencia won that group managed by a certain R. Benitez

We didn't make the 2nd group stage that year. Had to beat Basle in the last game but drew 3-3 after being 3-0 down.

The Celtic knocked us out of the Uefa Cup (and got to the final before losing Mourinho's Porto).

Crazy times.

red_Mark1980 · « **Reply #135 on:** December 9, 2021, 04:37:32 pm »

Yeah I meant third in the first group stage. Valencia were different class that year

sinnermichael · « **Reply #136 on:** December 9, 2021, 04:40:44 pm »

Quote from: Jookie on December 9, 2021, 03:44:28 pm

The only example I remember is 2001/02.

We had Boavista, Dortmund and Kiev in our 1st group and Barcelona, Roma and Galatasaraay in our 2nd group.

In the 2nd group we only won 1 game out of 6 and came 2nd. Galatasaraay only lost once and came bottom of the group. Incredibly tough group at the time.

I’d be against it since it’s loads more games and disparity between strength of clubs would mean that even a 2nd group stage might not have that much jeopardy. Certainly less than the current KO format

That Barca game at Anfield , we clapped them off. One of the best away performances I've seen at Anfield. Overmars scored a goal where they kept the ball for about 5 minutes.

Statto Red · « **Reply #137 on:** December 9, 2021, 04:44:36 pm »

Quote from: LovelyCushionedHeader on December 9, 2021, 04:24:02 pm

We didn't make the 2nd group stage that year. Had to beat Basle in the last game but drew 3-3 after being 3-0 down.

The Celtic knocked us out of the Uefa Cup (and got to the final before losing Mourinho's Porto).

Crazy times.

Yep,we were 3-0 down after 30 minutes in Switzerland, Owen equalized after 85 minutes but we couldn't get a winner, that's the season when we played Valencia too, lost both games against them, & Rafa was Valencia manager.

You had 2 group stages, & then you had the knockout rounds starting from the quarter final, which was ridiculous, you had to play 17 matches to reach the final, even more if you had to qualify

Sir Capon of Debaser · « **Reply #138 on:** December 9, 2021, 05:20:46 pm »

Quote from: Statto Red on December 9, 2021, 04:44:36 pm

Yep,we were 3-0 down after 30 minutes in Switzerland, Owen equalized after 85 minutes but we couldn't get a winner, that's the season when we played Valencia too, lost both games against them, & Rafa was Valencia manager.

You had 2 group stages, & then you had the knockout rounds starting from the quarter final, which was ridiculous, you had to play 17 matches to reach the final, even more if you had to qualify

Didnt Gerrard have his captaincy / vice captaincy taken away for a bit after that Basle game?

BoRed · « **Reply #139 on:** December 9, 2021, 07:12:00 pm »

Looks like it'll be this:

Quote from: Ray K on December 9, 2021, 09:44:42 am

With Villarreal qualified -

SamLad · « **Reply #140 on:** December 9, 2021, 08:44:14 pm »

how are those % determined?

BoRed · « **Reply #141 on:** December 9, 2021, 09:31:42 pm »

Quote from: SamLad on December 9, 2021, 08:44:14 pm

how are those % determined?

It's either some very complicated maths or they ran millions of simulations. Probably the latter.

Barrow Shaun · « **Reply #142 on:** December 9, 2021, 09:32:06 pm »

We will play one of:

Benfica
Salzburg
PSG
Sporting Lisbon (my guess)
Inter Milan
Villareal

(Can't play Atletico (same group) or Chelsea (same country.) )

I think that's all set in stone now.

SamLad · « **Reply #143 on:** December 9, 2021, 09:36:56 pm »

Quote from: BoRed on December 9, 2021, 09:31:42 pm

It's either some very complicated maths or they ran millions of simulations. Probably the latter.

okaaaay .....

next question: what's the point??

BoRed · « **Reply #144 on:** December 9, 2021, 10:09:12 pm »

Quote from: SamLad on December 9, 2021, 09:36:56 pm

okaaaay .....

next question: what's the point??

To pass the time until the actual draw.

Or, if you prefer, to see that not all possible opponents are equally likely.

Dave McCoy · « **Reply #145 on:** December 9, 2021, 10:16:28 pm »

Honestly don't care who we get. We'll be favored and rightly so. I suppose for those lucky enough to go to an away game they'll have their wishes but for the rest of us just want to see us relatively healthy and I think we have a good shot of winning this whole thing.

red_Mark1980 · « **Reply #146 on:** December 9, 2021, 10:29:03 pm »

It's probability.

They'd start off, giving each club we can face equal ranking, but then based on the other teams it will change.

Imagine us and three German sides in the seeded part of the draw and in the unseeded there are three french sides and one German. Technically we have an even chance of the unseeded teams but with country (and to an extent group ) protection we have a 100% chance of getting the French side

Obviously there are more teams, but the same theory applies.

As to why... I don't know

willss · « **Reply #147 on:** December 9, 2021, 10:52:58 pm »

Quote from: red_Mark1980 on December 9, 2021, 10:29:03 pm

It's probability.

They'd start off, giving each club we can face equal ranking, but then based on the other teams it will change.

Imagine us and three German sides in the seeded part of the draw and in the unseeded there are three french sides and one German. Technically we have an even chance of the unseeded teams but with country (and to an extent group ) protection we have a 100% chance of getting the French side

Obviously there are more teams, but the same theory applies.

As to why... I don't know

I assume you mean 100% getting the German side, otherwise I’m lost

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #148 on:** December 9, 2021, 11:17:07 pm »

Quote from: willss on December 9, 2021, 10:52:58 pm

I assume you mean 100% getting the German side, otherwise I’m lost

Look at the one with the highest probability: 31% chance of Real v Chelsea (wouldn’t mind that).

You can’t play a side from your own group so in theory each team could play 7 others (a 14.2% chance). Chelsea are the only English team to finish second in their group so they can’t play any other English side or Juve so can only play four teams (25% chance of each).

I start to get slightly lost after this point as I’m no mathematician.

However Real can’t play Inter or the two Spanish sides who finished runner up, so they can only play 5 sides. Basically that means the probability of them drawing each other goes up, due to both of them having fewer options than most other sides.

Crystal clear.

KevLFC · « **Reply #149 on:** December 9, 2021, 11:33:47 pm »

Remember those group stages, blimey how did we fit all those games in. Remember them being tougher too or maybe it's a measure of how English sides have improved since and the smaller ones getting weaker. A trip to Russia or Ukraine was a tricky test, even the Turkish sides were hard to beat. Celtic and Rangers were no mugs either.

LOHAG · « **Reply #150 on:** December 9, 2021, 11:49:23 pm »

I’ve looked at those 6 teams and I fancy us to be in the last 8, fully primed and being feared as ball inthe glass bowl that no one wants to pull.
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kesey · « **Reply #151 on:** December 10, 2021, 03:21:00 am »

Quote from: Alan_X on December 9, 2021, 07:22:17 am

Bayern's is literally the state flag of Bavaria (Bayern).

They should've gone for this .

red_Mark1980 · « **Reply #152 on:** December 10, 2021, 04:56:01 am »

Quote from: willss on December 9, 2021, 10:52:58 pm

I assume you mean 100% getting the German side, otherwise I’m lost

Yeah. Sorry.

Will blame it on the booster jab I had yesterday

Ravishing Rick Dude · « **Reply #153 on:** December 10, 2021, 05:28:42 am »

Quote from: Alan_X on December 9, 2021, 07:22:17 am

Bayern's is literally the state flag of Bavaria (Bayern).

Still uninspiring af

farawayred · « **Reply #154 on:** December 10, 2021, 05:44:02 am »

Quote from: Ravishing Rick Rude on December 10, 2021, 05:28:42 am

Still uninspiring af

Then think of the Löwenbräu flag, it gives you a better feeling.

rocco · « **Reply #155 on:** December 10, 2021, 07:16:28 am »

Nobody will want us

ScouserAtHeart · « **Reply #156 on:** December 10, 2021, 07:42:54 am »

Quote from: rocco on December 10, 2021, 07:16:28 am

Nobody will want us

Isn't that what Kenwright said when he was trying to sell Everton?

Brain Potter · « **Reply #157 on:** December 10, 2021, 09:22:01 am »

The only team I’d want to avoid is PSG but even then we’d be favourites. Bring it on.

Mozology · « **Reply #158 on:** December 10, 2021, 12:48:49 pm »

https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/

red_Mark1980 · « **Reply #159 on:** December 10, 2021, 12:54:40 pm »

Quote from: Mozology on December 10, 2021, 12:48:49 pm

https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/

That's great. Someone has a lot of spare time on their hands.

Perfectly shows how the percentage chance changes.

After five ties you can end up knowing the three other ties