Topic: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General

[redgriffin73]

 Would like to have seen the offside again as they showed a still at first and then went back a frame!

Yeah , my eyes are shit but I thought it was offside, looked like a red arm was all that was keeping them on in the pic they showed.

[Elzar]

Yeah , my eyes are shit but I thought it was offside, looked like a red arm was all that was keeping them on in the pic they showed.

Same, then they showed the VAR view and it was a different frame where he was on. Very confusing, would prefer the TV companies just showed it in full without a random still.

[thejbs]

Genuinely shocked Fabinho didn't get a red. He seemed sure he was off too.  Horrible challenge.

[Fromola]

I know he's playing crap anyway so wouldn't make much difference but he's done us a favour not sending Fabinho off as he'd have missed the derby and the game either side. A lot more pressure on Bajcetic then for 3 games with no cover.

Thought their goal could have gone either way but i'd rather the attacker gets the benefit of the doubt when it's so tight. Plus I really didn't want a replay so i'm not complaining it was given.

[Fromola]

Time keeping in this country is farcical, 5 added when Mac Allister and the other guy took that long alone. Not that'd we'd have scored even if 20 were added but just a general point

Lost 2-3 minutes from the goal being scored to the restart within the injury time as well. Played about an extra 20 seconds.

[nayia2002]

How can you not give a red card when you see a reply of the Fabinho challenge??!! 

Seriously this needs to be binned immediately as it's bringing the game into disrepute and will only indice more hatred towards the game and opposing fan's football teams

[thejbs]

Wasn't even the so-called 'orange card' scenario. It was a clear red.

[tonysleft]

Was deffo offside. When they showed it again with the lines, was a different frame.

I'm glad. I think we need a break at the moment. Going to be hard to get any momentum going this season. Another replay on the 8th would have fucked us completely.

This day and age they need to fuck off these bastard replays. Who the fuck wants them especially after that fucking stupid World Cup shite.

Did the two reds not given factor into the refs being bought off and trying to screw Liverpool today

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Did the two reds not given factor into the refs being bought off and trying to screw Liverpool today

I'm very surprised that Coote never used a Red. I can get the Fabinho one, but Konate they actually made contact with each others hips.

This modern game is shite now though. Gets more laughable every week. Given how much your divers get freekicks for their squeaky 'Platoon' style dives, you'd think that they were going to be given last rites.

Fabinho probably got the benefit of the doubt having been on for about a minute. The Robbo 'foul' was actually their player jumping in two footed.

So maybe got away with one, but when Keita was backed into - that actually could have been a very serious injury. Not even a booking.

It's always hard to tell if refs are bent or shite or both most of the time, but Coote has quite the record with us.

[Fromola]

Fabinho one I thought looked a booking in real time (i.e. late and a bit reckless) but one where VAR should have got involved with benefit of replays as it was really dangerous.

Players should be protected more from bad challenges and VAR doesn't get involved enough on that front. Partey against us for example should have gone and that ruined Diaz's season.

[red_Mark1980]

Did the two reds not given factor into the refs being bought off and trying to screw Liverpool today

Man U fan moaning about a dodgy ref... Give me a break

[Hazell]

Genuinely shocked Fabinho didn't get a red. He seemed sure he was off too.  Horrible challenge.

Yeah, really surprised by that. Konate I could understand they wouldn't overturn but Fabinho's was pretty blatant. It comes down to the inconsistency again.

[Johnny Foreigner]

Did the two reds not given factor into the refs being bought off and trying to screw Liverpool today

Are you renting out your holiday Home Tony ? A couple of months away and you always seems to come back with a lot of energy ! Must be a fantastic place !

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Are you renting out your holiday Home Tony ? A couple of months away and you always seems to come back with a lot of energy ! Must be a fantastic place !

 

[4pool]

Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), the body responsible for match officials across English football, has admitted Liverpool midfielder Fabinho should have been sent off for his challenge on Brighton & Hove Albion forward Evan Ferguson in Sunday's FA Cup tie.

Fabinho caught Ferguson on the Achilles in a lunging challenge from behind in the 86th minute. Referee David Coote gave the foul but only showed Fabinho a yellow card and the VAR, Neil Swarbrick, decided against a review to upgrade to a red card.

PGMOL expects fouls of this nature to result in a red card, with the full point of contact from the studs above the ankle from behind, and there should have been a VAR intervention with the player sent off for serious foul play.

Even though PGMOL has conceded Fabinho should have been sent off -- and therefore serve a three-match ban -- no retrospective action is possible because the incident was seen and assessed by both the referee and the VAR. The Football Association could only charge the Liverpool player if the officials hadn't seen it during the game.

[Black Bull Nova]

Not often I say this but a few games off might not have been a bad thing for Fab

[rob1966]

Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), the body responsible for match officials across English football, has admitted Liverpool midfielder Fabinho should have been sent off for his challenge on Brighton & Hove Albion forward Evan Ferguson in Sunday's FA Cup tie.

Li-VAR-pool getting looked after again..

I was surprised Fab didn't see red, it was such an stupid thing to do. Don't know if there was intent or his head just wasn't switched on. Lack of sleep from the new baby getting to him?

[Elzar]

Forgot about this as it was fairly close to the start of the game, but does anyone remember Ferguson running towards the corner, stop and just fall on the floor when Gomez was near him? No freekick was given to Brighton and we just played on and no booking given at the next break of play. Linesman clearly saw it and said no foul.

What is the actual ruling on diving? Is it if the player is trying to win a penalty? (more rules for one area of the pitch only).

Looking at it from a completely simplistic point of view, diving is a just a player deciding not to want the ball anymore and deciding to fall to the floor, so why not just play on? But then they do still punish it some times.

[Statto Red]

Time keeping in this country is farcical, 5 added when Mac Allister and the other guy took that long alone. Not that'd we'd have scored even if 20 were added but just a general point

I've always said their needs to be an independent timekeeper like in Rugby, so everyone can see how long is left, whether in the stadium or watching on TV.

[BoRed]

Forgot about this as it was fairly close to the start of the game, but does anyone remember Ferguson running towards the corner, stop and just fall on the floor when Gomez was near him? No freekick was given to Brighton and we just played on and no booking given at the next break of play. Linesman clearly saw it and said no foul.

What is the actual ruling on diving? Is it if the player is trying to win a penalty? (more rules for one area of the pitch only).

Looking at it from a completely simplistic point of view, diving is a just a player deciding not to want the ball anymore and deciding to fall to the floor, so why not just play on? But then they do still punish it some times.

It was Robbo that was behind him, he was outraged by the dive, and it was just after Bajcetic was booked for nothing. As far as I know, the rule is that diving is always a bookable offence, but it mostly goes unpunished.

[rob1966]

Forgot about this as it was fairly close to the start of the game, but does anyone remember Ferguson running towards the corner, stop and just fall on the floor when Gomez was near him? No freekick was given to Brighton and we just played on and no booking given at the next break of play. Linesman clearly saw it and said no foul.

What is the actual ruling on diving? Is it if the player is trying to win a penalty? (more rules for one area of the pitch only).

Looking at it from a completely simplistic point of view, diving is a just a player deciding not to want the ball anymore and deciding to fall to the floor, so why not just play on? But then they do still punish it some times.

I didn't think he dived, what he did as far as I was concerned was he just stopped running trying to initiate a foul and Robbo ran into the back of him

[cdav]

Got to be a red for Guimaraes this, he'd lost the plot before then

Edit- been sent off so a nice 3 match ban upcoming. Should be extended for failing to leave the pitch

[Redsnappa]

Got to be a red for Guimaraes this, he'd lost the plot before then

Deserved. Shame Ward-Prowse couldn't make them pay.

[12C]

No red for Antony stamp.
Three fouls on the Forest player and the ref give United a free kick. Antony stamps in passing, snarled at thhe forestmplayer for being a cheat and VAR says the ref was right.
Just shit referees in PGMOL.

[4pool]

Not a penalty for handball on the line in our match. Neil Mellor was adamant it was a handball and said this is why VAR was introduced to the game to catch "obvious" errors.

When the replay came on he was twice as sure. Then of course Lee Mason went for a coffee.

Would that have changed the match? Who knows. But the point stands, it should have been an obvious call.

[cdav]

We don't get pens mate

[BoRed]

It would have been a harsh penalty, I never expected them to give it. Dawson should have been sent off, though (nothing to do with VAR, I know).

[MH41]

Not a penalty for handball on the line in our match. Neil Mellor was adamant it was a handball and said this is why VAR was introduced to the game to catch "obvious" errors.

When the replay came on he was twice as sure. Then of course Lee Mason went for a coffee.

Would that have changed the match? Who knows. But the point stands, it should have been an obvious call.

I have just made the point in another thread, that we haven't got a penalty in the league all season. The last one I could find was on 02 April last season.
Utd, on the other hand (pardon the pun) were given another helping hand today to make sure they broke the deadlock early in the game

[oojason]

From the Mail (apologies) - though an alternative Mail-free link to it can be found below...


'Arsenal fury as it emerges VAR Lee Mason FORGOT to draw offside lines when reviewing Ivan Toney's goal for Brentford at the Emirates in a major error that could affect the title race':-

Brentford equalised thanks to an Ivan Toney to earn a point against Arsenal
The goal was checked for offside before eventually being given by VAR
However, VAR official Lee Mason forgot to draw the offside lines when checking

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11740619/VAR-Lee-Mason-FORGOT-draw-offside-lines-reviewing-Ivan-Toneys-controversial-equaliser.html


^ instead of clicking on the Daily Heil - the article can be read in full here - https://archive.is/Uesxg 


a video of the goal: 'Arsenal 1 - [1] Brentford - Ivan Toney equaliser on 74' - https://dubz.co/c/10s7t8 & https://streamin.me/v/4be6ab26

[oojason]

'Human error cited as reason why @OfficialBHAFC goal wrongly ruled out for offside at Selhurst Park this afternoon. Two players in close proximity and line drawn from the one furthest forward rather than the one nearer the goal.' - https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1624514322331275265 (BBC 'journalist')


The wrongly disallowed goal: Estupinan vs Crystal Palace on 33' - https://streamin.me/v/3e0752ab


'An Estupinan goal was ruled offside after the VAR identified the wrong defender as the last man. A stunning level of incompetence.' - https://twitter.com/Tactical_Times/status/1624516394854281217

[BoRed]

'Arsenal fury as it emerges VAR Lee Mason FORGOT to draw offside lines when reviewing Ivan Toney's goal for Brentford at the Emirates in a major error that could affect the title race':-

Said it in the match thread, they only looked at one potential offside and didn't seem to review the other.

That Brentford goal looked offside, VAR was looking at the wrong phase of play.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

From the Mail (apologies) - though an alternative Mail-free link to it can be found below...


'Arsenal fury as it emerges VAR Lee Mason FORGOT to draw offside lines when reviewing Ivan Toney's goal for Brentford at the Emirates in a major error that could affect the title race':-

Brentford equalised thanks to an Ivan Toney to earn a point against Arsenal
The goal was checked for offside before eventually being given by VAR
However, VAR official Lee Mason forgot to draw the offside lines when checking

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11740619/VAR-Lee-Mason-FORGOT-draw-offside-lines-reviewing-Ivan-Toneys-controversial-equaliser.html


^ instead of clicking on the Daily Heil - the article can be read in full here - https://archive.is/Uesxg 


a video of the goal: 'Arsenal 1 - [1] Brentford - Ivan Toney equaliser on 74' - https://dubz.co/c/10s7t8 & https://streamin.me/v/4be6ab26

They are desperate to bring somehow ManUtd into the mix for the title race.

[mainone]

just cheating bastards but lets laugh if it stops liverpool lose the league , but coming to roost now

[FlashGordon]

They are desperate to bring somehow ManUtd into the mix for the title race.

Didn't see the game, which one was actually checked?

[rob1966]

No 20 is offside, No5 is getting his shirt pulled and there is a wrestling match going on outside the D. 2-1 on fouls for Arsenal there.

Bent as fuck that decision, forgot to draw the lines my arse, straight up cheating

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

The Brighton decision is the most bat shit crazy of them all. How can the VAR not see that there is another Palace player stood BEHIND where they've drawn the line?!

[Fromola]

If it's not bad enough that you can't celebrate when your team score now, or if a goal goes in somewhere you need to wait 5 minutes to let VAR do its thing before you know it's actually counted, but you can't even trust them to get decisions right with something as binary as offside.

[BoRed]

Didn't see the game, which one was actually checked?

From what they've shown on TV, they only checked the first one, and decided he wasn't interfering with play. And then forgot to have a look at what followed.

A bit like Coote deciding Van Dijk was offside, so it didn't matter he was later assaulted by Pickford.

[FlashGordon]

The only saving grace was the offsides. Just bin it, officials clearly too incompetent to make it worthwhile. The payoff for missing out on instant euphoria isn't worth it.

[Fromola]

The only saving grace was the offsides. Just bin it, officials clearly too incompetent to make it worthwhile. The payoff for missing out on instant euphoria isn't worth it.

It's just not worth it. Look at the West Ham game yesterday, a winning goal gets ruled out minutes later for a fractional offside (right decision but pre-VAR nobody is too bothered by a goal like that) and then misses a stonewall pen a few minutes later.

It's just not a reliable system and takes so much away from the game.