Author Topic: Wimbledon 2017 (Read 81733 times)

clinical · « **Reply #1560 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:12:58 pm »

Quote from: Y2J on July 16, 2017, 04:11:20 pm

Not just the greatest tennis player of all time, but probably the greatest sportsperson of all time.

Yep and you think where he'd be if his main competitor wasn't also in the top 5 sportspeople of all time too.

clinical · « **Reply #1561 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:13:39 pm »

Reckon he'll go onto 2020

Nick110581 · « **Reply #1562 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:15:29 pm »

Quote from: clinical on July 16, 2017, 04:13:39 pm

Reckon he'll go onto 2020

The Olympic Gold and he's done the lot

Be interesting if Novak and Murray take time out

elsewhere · « **Reply #1563 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:15:32 pm »

he will retire once he wins his 20th Wimbledon though.

elsewhere · « **Reply #1564 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:17:38 pm »

also well done to Cilic, he always comes across as a humble, respectful and down to earth guy.

Ray K · « **Reply #1565 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:18:56 pm »

Quote from: wheresnemeth on July 16, 2017, 04:03:17 pm

In the last 15 years, 2002 Hewitt vs Nalbandian 6-1, 6-3, 6-2

Hewitt is the last non-Big 4 winner here. 15 years ago...

Anfield Ed · « **Reply #1566 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:20:35 pm »

Quote from: Y2J on July 16, 2017, 04:11:20 pm

Not just the greatest tennis player of all time, but probably the greatest sportsperson of all time.

Bollocks

greater sports person than Ali? Jesse Owens? I'd put him in the top 10, but he's nowhere near top 5.

JD. · « **Reply #1567 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:20:39 pm »

Quote from: clinical on July 16, 2017, 04:12:58 pm

Yep and you think where he'd be if his main competitor wasn't also in the top 5 sportspeople of all time too.

Djokovic is better than Rafa in my opinion.

The North Bank · « **Reply #1568 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:21:36 pm »

There should be less tennis tournaments, and Wimbledon should have a tiebreak in the fifth set, too many players getting injured. This Wimbledon was pretty much ruined by injuries. Murray Djokovic and now Cilic just could not compete. It doesn't make great viewing.

JD. · « **Reply #1569 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:22:33 pm »

Quote from: The North Bank on July 16, 2017, 04:21:36 pm

There should be less tennis tournaments, and Wimbledon should have a tiebreak in the fifth set, too many players getting injured. This Wimbledon was pretty much ruined by injuries. Murray Djokovic and now Cilic just could not compete. It doesn't make great viewing.

Nobody forces them to play. They literally choose their schedule.

Nick110581 · « **Reply #1570 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:28:58 pm »

Quote from: JD. on July 16, 2017, 04:22:33 pm

Nobody forces them to play. They literally choose their schedule.

Exactly this.

Just unfortunate two big players weren't fit

Ray K · « **Reply #1571 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:31:49 pm »

I'm fairly sure that Federer will never play the clay court season anymore, given how well he's looked this year. The only 2 matches he's lost he had match points in both.

Millie · « **Reply #1572 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:38:33 pm »

Quote from: wheresnemeth on July 16, 2017, 03:56:21 pm

Many average players have made it to the top 10 in the world rankings, reaching a semifinal of a grand slam doesn't count for much if that's your greatest achievement.
Did you ever watch Henman at his peak in a major tournament and think to yourself that he has a chance of winning it?
He was an average player who made it into the top 10 and won 11 titles in a thirteen year career.

He was not just an average player.

TheShanklyGates · « **Reply #1573 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:48:11 pm »

Murguruza seems lovely. I expect her to win plenty more slams in the coming years.

TheShanklyGates · « **Reply #1574 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:55:42 pm »

Mixed doubles time. Looking forward to this.

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #1575 on:** July 16, 2017, 04:55:45 pm »

Quote from: wheresnemeth on July 16, 2017, 03:56:21 pm

Many average players have made it to the top 10 in the world rankings, reaching a semifinal of a grand slam doesn't count for much if that's your greatest achievement.
Did you ever watch Henman at his peak in a major tournament and think to yourself that he has a chance of winning it?
He was an average player who made it into the top 10 and won 11 titles in a thirteen year career.

thelinnen · « **Reply #1576 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:02:01 pm »

Quote from: Ray K on July 16, 2017, 03:48:46 pm

I still can't get over that the one year I had tickets to the semi finals and final, in 2010, Federer was beaten by Tomas fucking Berdych. My one chance to see him there.

And I thought he was on a downwards slide after that..

I got to see him win the 2004 final against Roddick.

clinical · « **Reply #1577 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:02:40 pm »

Quote from: JD. on July 16, 2017, 04:20:39 pm

Djokovic is better than Rafa in my opinion.

As an all time great...behave.

Shaved Crossbar · « **Reply #1578 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:06:24 pm »

Quote from: Nick110581 on July 16, 2017, 04:11:04 pm

That's the scary thing.

He could continue playing for a while and the only players to stop him are the other three.

Assuming you mean Nadal, Djokovic and Stan?

Shaved Crossbar · « **Reply #1579 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:11:18 pm »

Federer is definitely the greatest ever, there's no discussion to be had.

The only debate that remains is whether peak Novak is better than peak Federer, and I don't mind who people choose there. I don't mind somebody chucking Rafa in there too to be honest, but I feel both Novak and Fed beat Rafa at peak outside of clay.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #1580 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:12:28 pm »

Quote from: JD. on July 16, 2017, 04:22:33 pm

Nobody forces them to play. They literally choose their schedule.

Not entirely true. Players are obligated to play a certain numbers of events unless they meet certain criteria (years on tour, number of matches played in their career etc) or they are injured.

Shaved Crossbar · « **Reply #1581 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:26:24 pm »

Quote from: Sir Psycho Sexy on July 16, 2017, 04:00:59 pm

didn't watch it, but a while ago I didn't think Federer would be able to get another slam. I think he's won 3 since then. Fair play

Well he's won 3 since January 2010, so you have been waiting a while. Bold prediction too, because he'd won 10 and lost 8 of the last 19 finals at that stage. You probably meant 2 haha.

Nick110581 · « **Reply #1582 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:32:39 pm »

Cilic was crying cause of frustration of a severe blister

"It didn't hurt so much that it was putting me in tears. It
was just that feeling that I wasn't able to give the
best."

IanZG · « **Reply #1583 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:39:47 pm »

Quote from: Nick110581 on July 16, 2017, 05:32:39 pm

Cilic was crying cause of frustration of a severe blister

"It didn't hurt so much that it was putting me in tears. It
was just that feeling that I wasn't able to give the
best."

Think it was obvious he wasn't at his best today. Gutted for him, but he can be proud what a great grass season he's had, no shame in losing to the greatest player of all time in the final, just wish he could've pushed Roger a bit harder...

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #1584 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:43:54 pm »

Kontinen's second serve is one of the best I've ever seen.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #1585 on:** July 16, 2017, 05:57:49 pm »

Watson is by far the 'weakest' player on court. She makes so many basic errors.

Nick110581 · « **Reply #1586 on:** July 16, 2017, 06:02:06 pm »

Murray is a great doubles player

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #1587 on:** July 16, 2017, 06:08:04 pm »

Another absolutely wretched shot from Watson and Murray/Hingis have match point.

Edit; Game, set, match

Anfield Ed · « **Reply #1588 on:** July 16, 2017, 06:19:14 pm »

Happy for Hingis as she's always been my favourite tennis player.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #1589 on:** July 16, 2017, 06:19:15 pm »

Think Jamie now has more Wimbledon titles than Andy? One for the Christmas dinner table.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #1590 on:** July 16, 2017, 06:20:19 pm »

Quote from: Acton Nick on July 16, 2017, 06:19:15 pm

Think Jamie now has more Wimbledon titles than Andy? One for the Christmas dinner table.

They have the same number now.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #1591 on:** July 16, 2017, 06:21:48 pm »

Quote from: Y2J on July 16, 2017, 04:11:20 pm

Not just the greatest tennis player of all time, but probably the greatest sportsperson of all time.

Nah. Not sure he is the greatest tennis player of all time (Nadal was better pre injuries in both their peaks... Graf, Williams and Navratilova all have a claim to being greater players). Outside his sport he's had zero cultural impact so he's behind a lot of others (Ali, Woods, Jordan)

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #1592 on:** July 16, 2017, 06:23:59 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on July 16, 2017, 06:20:19 pm

They have the same number now.

Thought he had two Mixed and one Men's Doubles. Or was the Men's at the US Open. Getting old and forgetful!

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #1593 on:** July 16, 2017, 06:25:32 pm »

Quote from: Acton Nick on July 16, 2017, 06:23:59 pm

Thought he had two Mixed and one Men's Doubles. Or was the Men's at the US Open. Getting old and forgetful!

He's just the two mixed. He reached the final of the men's doubles in 2015 but he and John Peers lost to Rojer and Tecau.

Rob Dylan · « **Reply #1594 on:** July 16, 2017, 07:49:36 pm »

Quote from: Anfield Ed on July 16, 2017, 06:19:14 pm

Happy for Hingis as she's always been my favourite tennis player.

Scary to think it was 20 years ago that she won Wimbledon. I'm getting old.

JD. · « **Reply #1595 on:** July 16, 2017, 10:00:08 pm »

Quote from: clinical on July 16, 2017, 05:02:40 pm

As an all time great...behave.

Yes. Easily.

Rafa is the clay GOAT. Outside of Clay Novak is superior in every way. More Aussie slams, more Wimbledons, more US Opens. More masters. FAR longer at number 1. Five year end titles to Rafa zero. Superior slam final record against each other outside of the French. Superior head to head record overall I'm not sure what the argument otherwise is. And I sure as hell don't see why you would react as though it is ridiculous to suggest a man with 12 slams is in the conversation as being better than anyone. Seriously, it is genuinely baffling to react the way you have with any justification other than you are a Rafa fan boy. Novak Djokovic is comfortably one of the greatest players of all time and it is even more impressive that he has achieved what he has when you consider that he entered the game at a time when Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal were already established as the top two players.

Rafa has won ONE non French slam since he was 25 for god sake and only five altogether. Eliminate each players best slam and Novak has won slams. Rafael Nadal is undoubtedly, without even a single debate needed, the greatest clay court player this game has or will ever see most likely. However he is not even remotely a factor in the discussion of all time Greatest ever and when it is all said and done, Novak Djokovic will have a superior record in every important aspect of the game over Rafael Nadal other than number of French Opens won.

Genuinely staggering that you dismiss Novak Djokovic in such a manner.

JD. · « **Reply #1596 on:** July 16, 2017, 10:02:21 pm »

Quote from: Shaved Crossbar on July 16, 2017, 05:11:18 pm

I feel both Novak and Fed beat Rafa at peak outside of clay.

Without doubt. It isn't even a discussion is it?

Novak literally did this in 2011 and heading in to 2012. What was it, 7 wins in a row for Novak over Rafa including three slam finals on the bounce.

ChrisOH · « **Reply #1597 on:** July 16, 2017, 10:05:51 pm »

Quote from: JD. on July 16, 2017, 10:00:08 pm

Yes. Easily.

Rafa is the clay GOAT. Outside of Clay Novak is superior in every way. More Aussie slams, more Wimbledons, more US Opens. More masters. FAR longer at number 1. Five year end titles to Rafa zero. Superior slam final record against each other outside of the French. Superior head to head record overall I'm not sure what the argument otherwise is. And I sure as hell don't see why you would react as though it is ridiculous to suggest a man with 12 slams is in the conversation as being better than anyone. Seriously, it is genuinely baffling to react the way you have with any justification other than you are a Rafa fan boy. Novak Djokovic is comfortably one of the greatest players of all time and it is even more impressive that he has achieved what he has when you consider that he entered the game at a time when Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal were already established as the top two players.

Rafa has won ONE non French slam since he was 25 for god sake and only five altogether. Eliminate each players best slam and Novak has won slams. Rafael Nadal is undoubtedly, without even a single debate needed, the greatest clay court player this game has or will ever see most likely. However he is not even remotely a factor in the discussion of all time Greatest ever and when it is all said and done, Novak Djokovic will have a superior record in every important aspect of the game over Rafael Nadal other than number of French Opens won.

Genuinely staggering that you dismiss Novak Djokovic in such a manner.

Is playing on clay not a part of tennis?

JD. · « **Reply #1598 on:** July 16, 2017, 10:08:01 pm »

Quote from: ChrisOH on July 16, 2017, 10:05:51 pm

Is playing on clay not a part of tennis?

Rafa is the greatest clay courter ever. There. I said it again for you. However, as an all round player Novak Djokovic is quite clearly the better player. Look at every other record going and Novak is superior. And GOAT contenders in my view need to be excellent on all surfaces.

The reason he is not even in the discussion as greatest all round player is because a certain man named Roger Federer has dominated everywhere on every surface against every player other than Rafael Nadal on clay.

Take away Federer's greatest slam and he'd still have 11 slams. More than twice that of the number if you took away Nadal's greatest slam.

I'm sorry, but to have 5 slams on non clay surfaces, only one since he was 25, rules him out of the all round greatest discussion in my opinion.

My opinion is to truly be a GOAT contender you have to be good on all surfaces. Rafa Nadal hasn't got to even a QF on Wimbledon's grass since he was 25.

He hasn't dominated a single slam over a long period of time other than the French. It hasn't even been like he dominates everyone other than the big 4. He has one Australian Open and has went out at the QFs more times than he even reached the final.I've already mentioned his Wimbledon record. And his US Open record is similar to that at the Australian.

He is a fantastic player. But he is too dependent on one surface in my opinion to be considered a GOAT contender.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #1599 on:** July 16, 2017, 10:20:04 pm »

Nadal is an Australian Open win away from becoming the 3rd man in history to win every Grand Slam at least twice. That'd be pretty cool, I hope he can do but I don't think it's likely

Anyway, in other news Wawrinka will drop out of the top 4 in the rankings tomorrow, there is the potential for a nightmare draw for one of the big 4 at the US Open if he doesn't find his way back in.