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« Reply #280 on: February 12, 2016, 12:00:10 am »
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #282 on: February 12, 2016, 07:16:56 am »
Allied health professionals will be next and I'll definitely leave if they try to change my contract!

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« Reply #283 on: February 12, 2016, 07:28:26 am »
Allied health professionals will be next and I'll definitely leave if they try to change my contract!

I'm in 6 days this week as it is and regularly do 7 day working weeks. Fuck them lowering any tiny benefits I get from what I do.  Reckon Oz, new zealand or canada would come calling if that happened.  Only reason I haven't already is my missus. And she wants to do a masters in physio after already having done a degree and got a 1st in anatomy so someone you'd want to have in that profession. If tuition fees and bursaries are scrapped for that fuck knows if she'll be able to do it financially.  Another way the c*nts have targeted us.
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« Reply #284 on: February 12, 2016, 07:40:34 am »
I'm genuinely scared for the future of the country, patients that require the best care and, well, myself and my family in the future. Will never forgive those who voted to give them another term, without looking deeper into the propaganda they spin.


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« Reply #285 on: February 12, 2016, 11:42:30 am »
I'm in 6 days this week as it is and regularly do 7 day working weeks. Fuck them lowering any tiny benefits I get from what I do.  Reckon Oz, new zealand or canada would come calling if that happened.  Only reason I haven't already is my missus. And she wants to do a masters in physio after already having done a degree and got a 1st in anatomy so someone you'd want to have in that profession. If tuition fees and bursaries are scrapped for that fuck knows if she'll be able to do it financially.  Another way the c*nts have targeted us.

I was on the picket Wednesday. It was very enlightening. But frightening how many doctors said the same thing, they'd do one somewhere else or go into another profession. But that isn't what Hunt is gambling on.

He's relishing this engineered conflict. And like IDS getting his job, Hunt being put in this position is no accident. Part of the long term economic plan, Hatchet Man plain and simple, Hunt's mission, force the young doctors into a fight, further demoralise them and all NHS workers, cause mayhem in the service, soften up the general public for the final Sell Off.


Thankfully though, the public aren't falling for it, not even here in Bournemouth. Tory Heartland, bar Chipping Norton, you get no more Conservative than here. But except one knobhead that spewed his well practiced piece, "You should be ashamed of yourselves," as he quickly scuttled by to get treated, there wasn't one bad word said.

Far from it, there was loads of encouraging words, Thank You's, toots of horns, and cups of tea and biccies. Horrible to have to be there, but it was really heartening and heartwarming. Some of the local Labour Party turned up. But there was 6 old ladies that just showed up out the blue, stood there, in the cold, for about 2 hours, handing out leaflets and talking to people as they went into the hospital. And I don't know if this fella was personally involved. But him, and I presume it was his wife, walked out of the hospital, with trays of tea, coffee and biccies.

I'd already had a cup of tea in the cafe. I hadn't been the cafe in awhile. I didn't know it's been done up. It used to be ran by the Woman's Institute and cost bugger all for a decent cup of tea and nice biccie. A frothy frapachino and riscotti now cost an arm and leg. Like the car parks, and sale of the Plasma Division of the NHS, writing on the wall.

Anyway, he was quite a character the fella, dead cheerful, made us all laugh. Good lad, him and his missus passed out the tea and that, then disappeared and drove past, honking their horn like loons. Really heartwarming. So, Macca we're all behind you mate. And despite the snide spin, I think most people aren't falling for the rhetoric.

Co-Author Hunt, was picked to front this. Failed Marmalade Salesman, Cousin of The Queen, trying to be someone, he was always going down this route. He sees this as his Miners Strike. And there's even more than our unions and workers rights at stake. So stay strong Macca. I know it's not easy, mate. And it'll get worse. But we're all behind you. And if we all keep up what I seen on Wednesday, we'll all win.

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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #286 on: February 12, 2016, 11:53:27 am »
I'm in 6 days this week as it is and regularly do 7 day working weeks. Fuck them lowering any tiny benefits I get from what I do.  Reckon Oz, new zealand or canada would come calling if that happened.  Only reason I haven't already is my missus. And she wants to do a masters in physio after already having done a degree and got a 1st in anatomy so someone you'd want to have in that profession. If tuition fees and bursaries are scrapped for that fuck knows if she'll be able to do it financially.  Another way the c*nts have targeted us.

I'm extremely disillusioned with the NHS at the moment. I love my job, I love helping people but I see what private companies can offer for physio and the extra freedom I'd have and it tempts me. I hate working for the government, I hate that we're understaffed and there's a 4 month waiting list that's getting longer and I hate that I can't do the best for my patients because I can't see them often enough due to appointment and work pressures.  I absolutely hate the fact that I have to spend more time gt ting paperwork done than actual treatment because if I do it the other way round we don't have any outcome measures to show how effective our service is. Then, if we don't have those outcome measures it's automatically deemed to be a poor service and sold off to private companies. It's fucking ludicrous and unless you can see it from the inside you don't have a clue it's happening.

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« Reply #287 on: February 12, 2016, 11:55:34 am »
It's so depressing to watch the NHS being torn apart, yet we all know millions will still vote them in the next election. A scary future ahead of us
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« Reply #288 on: February 12, 2016, 11:58:43 am »
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« Reply #289 on: February 12, 2016, 05:39:55 pm »
No Confidence in Jeremy C*nt: Debate Petition - sign up here https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121152

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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #290 on: February 12, 2016, 05:42:40 pm »
I'm in 6 days this week as it is and regularly do 7 day working weeks. Fuck them lowering any tiny benefits I get from what I do.  Reckon Oz, new zealand or canada would come calling if that happened.  Only reason I haven't already is my missus. And she wants to do a masters in physio after already having done a degree and got a 1st in anatomy so someone you'd want to have in that profession. If tuition fees and bursaries are scrapped for that fuck knows if she'll be able to do it financially.  Another way the c*nts have targeted us.

Friends fucked off to Oz last year, one of whom was a very high up consultant in the NHS who was literally irreplaceable, his wife a specialist midwife with decades of experience. Better pay, better conditions, a supported health service. Five more years of this lot will be corrosive.

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« Reply #291 on: February 12, 2016, 05:43:30 pm »
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #292 on: February 12, 2016, 05:47:16 pm »
Friends fucked off to Oz last year, one of whom was a very high up consultant in the NHS who was literally irreplaceable, his wife a specialist midwife with decades of experience. Better pay, better conditions, a supported health service. Five more years of this lot will be corrosive.

Its not just the NHS, its the entire public services.

We are losing so many experienced staff that they are changing jobs or retiring early and getting out, and they are being replaced with staff who don't have the experience and with poorer contracts. Have family who say morale is at its lowest it's every been and they can't wait to get out.
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« Reply #293 on: February 12, 2016, 06:05:44 pm »
No Confidence in Jeremy C*nt: Debate Petition - sign up here https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/121152

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« Reply #295 on: February 12, 2016, 06:10:53 pm »
Friends fucked off to Oz last year, one of whom was a very high up consultant in the NHS who was literally irreplaceable, his wife a specialist midwife with decades of experience. Better pay, better conditions, a supported health service. Five more years of this lot will be corrosive.

Im a radiographer so not directly involved in this as such but they've more than got my support.  I've posted in this thread for a while at the shite I've seen from higher up.  It's a disgrace. The thing is I actually enjoy my job. The department I now work in has just been awarded double outstanding by the cqc and is the only radiology department to do so in the country. We go above and beyond for patients.  But even so if the junior doctors contracts change it will be us next and right now I work most days in the week at all hours sometimes 12 hour shifts ocassionally longer.  If my pay gets worse for those hours or my working conditions get worse on the 7 day service we already provide I'm not staying.  Especially as I could get paid more in Oz from just the basic by a good margin than what I do now with overtime and any extras like nights.  I couldn't justify staying.  I'd just have to sort it with my girlfriend but we would find a way.

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« Reply #296 on: February 12, 2016, 06:46:13 pm »
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« Reply #297 on: February 12, 2016, 06:50:27 pm »
May as well keep it ticking over. 106,011
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« Reply #298 on: February 12, 2016, 07:12:36 pm »
Andrew Mitchell's daughter calls for sacking of Jeremy C*nt
 
Dr Hannah Mitchell, in a letter to the Guardian, says health secretary is ‘either dishonest or stupid’


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« Reply #299 on: February 12, 2016, 07:28:58 pm »
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He's relishing this engineered conflict. And like IDS getting his job, Hunt being put in this position is no accident. Part of the long term economic plan, Hatchet Man plain and simple, Hunt's mission, force the young doctors into a fight, further demoralise them and all NHS workers, cause mayhem in the service, soften up the general public for the final Sell Off.

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« Reply #300 on: February 12, 2016, 08:31:22 pm »
Over 120,000 when I signed it about 30 mins ago. Wonder if this one might set a record?
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« Reply #301 on: February 12, 2016, 09:04:16 pm »
Over 120,000 when I signed it about 30 mins ago. Wonder if this one might set a record?
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« Reply #302 on: February 12, 2016, 09:47:13 pm »
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« Reply #303 on: February 12, 2016, 10:23:05 pm »
140k now

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« Reply #304 on: February 12, 2016, 10:25:44 pm »
140k now

The last leg giving him the usual fair treatment by getting a Jeremy c*nt pinata out and getting junior doctors to bash the shit out of it
Was hilarious. They didn't actually use the junior doctors to bash the piñata just members of the audience. Still it was very amusing.
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« Reply #305 on: February 12, 2016, 11:06:19 pm »
Dear Last Leg. "Jeremy C*nt holding an enquiry
 into junior doctors' morale is like Harold Shipman holding an enquiry into patient mortality."

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« Reply #306 on: February 12, 2016, 11:07:00 pm »
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« Reply #307 on: February 12, 2016, 11:10:03 pm »
Jeremy Richard (Dick) Streynsham Hunt just been voted DICK of the year on the Last Leg(80%of the vote)!
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Hospitals may refuse to impose Jeremy C*nt’s new contract on junior doctors
Tory unrest grows over health secretary’s gamble as opt-out could lead to a flood of local deals with trusts

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Friday 12 February 2016 21.46 GMT  Last modified on Friday 12 February 2016 22.02 GMT 

Hospitals may go it alone and refuse to impose the new contract on junior doctors proposed by the health secretary, Jeremy C*nt, on NHS trainee medics from August.

The Guardian has established that none of the 152 foundation trust hospitals in England will be obliged to force their junior doctors to accept the deal and can instead offer them better terms.

The disclosure of an opt-out for top hospitals threatens to derail the health secretary’s controversial push to impose new terms and conditions on all 45,000 junior doctors that has sparked their bitter and long-running dispute.

Labour claimed the loophole showed that Hunt’s plan was falling apart. “Jeremy C*nt’s decision to impose the junior doctors’ contract seems to be unravelling with every day that goes by,” said the shadow health secretary, Heidi Alexander.

“The fact that hospitals are trying to find ways around contract imposition underlines the extent to which the decision to impose a contract that nobody wants would destroy morale in the NHS.”

Hunt is facing increasing criticism over his move, including from fellow Conservatives. Dr Dan Poulter MP, who was a health minister until last May and led the early negotiations on the junior doctors’ new contract in 2014, described Hunt’s decision on Thursday as “a dark day for the NHS and the future of medicine”.

The Department of Health confirmed that foundation trusts, which are semi-independent of NHS control, could not be compelled to introduce the contract. “Foundation trusts are not mandated to bring in the new contract. They can negotiate locally. However, [non-foundation] trusts are [obliged to use Hunt’s contract],” a spokesman said.

The opt-out could create a free-for-all among foundation trusts over the next few months as they try to recruit enough junior doctors to start as trainees in a medical specialism in early August.

Alastair Currie, an employment law partner at Bevan Brittan specialising in NHS contracts, said a few trusts – including Southend in Essex and Guy’s and St Thomas’s in London – had already introduced terms and conditions for some staff that differed slightly from those imposed by all other trusts.

The BMA, usually opposed to local deals, may see terms offered by individual trusts as preferable to Hunt’s contract. It opposes any of Saturday becoming part of a junior doctor’s normal working week, but Hunt has designated that 7am to 5pm on Saturdays should be included.

Labour accused Hunt of misleading parliament on Thursday by claiming in his Commons statement that an array of “senior NHS leaders” backed imposition. Thirteen of the 20 supposed signatories of a letter of support have since disowned it and said they do not back Hunt.

A growing number of medical organisations are warning that Hunt’s move will worsen the NHS’s shortage of medical staff. In a strongly worded statement, the Royal College of Surgeons of England said it feared imposition could irreparably harm the NHS’s relationship with doctors and deter young medics abroad from choosing to work in England.

“Doctors in training are essential for the delivery of safe, high-quality patient care. The imposition of a contract takes us even further away from a goal to make the NHS the most attractive place in the world for doctors to work,” it said in a joint statement with the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh and the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow.

The organisations branded Hunt’s decision “extremely regrettable” and stressed their view that “a contract must not be imposed”. Imposition would exacerbate junior doctors’ already low morale, they said.

Hunt maintains that enforcing the contract is necessary in order to let hospital bosses recruit more junior doctors to work at weekends and usher in the so-called seven-day NHS. But the surgical colleges disputed his claim that doing so would reduce death rates among patients admitted to hospital at the weekend. “This contract alone will not resolve that issue, not least because most junior doctors already work at weekends,” they said.

The BMA has pledged to fight the imposition and is considering what action to take. Its junior doctors committee meets on 20 February to decide its next move, which may include a legal challenge to Hunt.

More than 50 junior doctors at St George’s university hospitals NHS foundation trust have written a joint letter to its chief executive, Miles Scott, who is on record as opposing the imposition of the contract, asking him to refuse to force through the deal.

“We were also grateful for your clarification that you ‘do not support imposition’ of the new junior doctor contract,” their letter reads. “As a foundation trust, you are not mandated to bring in the new contract for junior doctors, as you can decide to negotiate locally.

“In view of this and in light of your statement today, we would be grateful for your reassurance that St George’s will not be imposing a new contract on junior doctors.”

Scott was one of the 14 chief executives of trusts cited as supporting the Dalton review’s proposal for the government to do “whatever it deems necessary” to get the contract through and who later denied they had agreed to that stance.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/12/hospitals-jeremy-hunt-junior-doctors-contract
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« Reply #309 on: February 13, 2016, 12:56:52 pm »
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« Reply #310 on: February 13, 2016, 01:01:17 pm »
The health secretary has previously faced pressure from petition signers, after 220,000 people called for a similar vote of no confidence back in September.

MPs then decided against holding a full-scale debate in the Commons chamber, but did dedicate an afternoon in the Westminster Hall venue to focus on "the e-petition relating to contracts and conditions in the NHS".


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« Reply #311 on: February 13, 2016, 01:07:06 pm »
The health secretary has previously faced pressure from petition signers, after 220,000 people called for a similar vote of no confidence back in September.

MPs then decided against holding a full-scale debate in the Commons chamber, but did dedicate an afternoon in the Westminster Hall venue to focus on "the e-petition relating to contracts and conditions in the NHS".


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Yup.

Although we had a big democratic process less than a year ago and the country fucked it up. I remember being in A&E on election night and shocked by the apathy of medics towards the results
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #312 on: February 13, 2016, 01:09:51 pm »
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« Reply #313 on: February 13, 2016, 01:13:46 pm »
Yup.

Although we had a big democratic process less than a year ago and the country fucked it up. I remember being in A&E on election night and shocked by the apathy of medics towards the results

True that mate.

In fairness though, Labour were a bit of a shambles on the NHS when it really should have been a cornerstone given how valued a public institution and concept it is by the public. They were far from convincing.

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« Reply #314 on: February 13, 2016, 01:23:49 pm »
True that mate.

In fairness though, Labour were a bit of a shambles on the NHS when it really should have been a cornerstone given how valued a public institution and concept it is by the public. They were far from convincing.

Absolutely. I like Andy Burnham but thought he and labour in general were pathetic last year. No answers whatsoever. It speaks volumes about how quiet labour are on this matter. They should be sticking the knife into the tories at every opportunity. They have the chance to gain the support of a corner of the population that's traditionally from well off,  privately educated middle to upper claas families. But they have fuck all. They have no answers. Nothing. Mind you they started it with their PFI and MTAS bollocks in 2008.

Whole thing is a very sad affair and I don't think the majority of the public quite understand what a thin line most of the NHS is treading every day. Most don't understand large sections of medicine and being a doctor on the front line is now nothing more than fire fighting
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #315 on: February 13, 2016, 01:27:11 pm »


There's no way some of them aren't deliberate :lmao
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #316 on: February 13, 2016, 01:39:31 pm »
Nearly 200,000. This map of voting for that is interesting

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=121152
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #317 on: February 13, 2016, 01:49:44 pm »
Nearly 200,000. This map of voting for that is interesting

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=121152

I was looking at it last night before it hit the 100k mark. Wales, NI & Scotland are rather letting the side down.

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« Reply #318 on: February 13, 2016, 02:31:17 pm »
Just broken 200,000 now!
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Re: "Sell-Off" - The Abolition of Your NHS
« Reply #319 on: February 13, 2016, 03:21:42 pm »
I was looking at it last night before it hit the 100k mark. Wales, NI & Scotland are rather letting the side down.
They have more autonomy over health services, so the fuckweasel has less influence there....

Which I suspect explains it...
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