Topic: Those chants

[Kalito]

just made sure i watched bbc north west  to see was it on there , and the piece was  more balanced where they mentioned chants of the sun was right was mentioned and spoke more to the students who were involved, and there feelings.Also margaret aspinall was able to say on bbc north west it is not the children who need educating, but they should be able to educate the older ones, who make these chants.

100% this.

[Son of Spion]

100% this.

This is the tragic thing, isn't it.

It's actually the 'adults' that need educating, not the kids. It's the 'adults' that will soon be teaching their kids the tragedy chants.

[Kalito]

This is the tragic thing, isn't it.

It's actually the 'adults' that need educating, not the kids. It's the 'adults' that will soon be teaching their kids the tragedy chants.

Really dumbfounded by whoever came up with this strategy to go to schools to educate kids about tragedy chanting.

It's the bastard adults that need dragging out and be taught a lesson.

Surely the Club can before a match request a 30 minute delay from the PL/Officials and ram home the message to their scummy fans over the stadium speakers and that anyone found guilty (fucking use the high class CCTV/cameras dotted around) will be banned and be reported to the Police to be dealt with?

It's fucking bonkers.

[rob1966]

This is the tragic thing, isn't it.

It's actually the 'adults' that need educating, not the kids. It's the 'adults' that will soon be teaching their kids the tragedy chants.

Where did we learn the words to the songs from - the adults who sang them every game. Its passed down from generation to generation with this lot and continues to be.

[9 kemlyn road]

The media needs to be hammered for not highlighting the tragedy chants at any game .until they do and it’s brought into the country’s full glare it will continue to happen and especially when it’s the media’s darling favourites Utd it will continue to be ignored,swept under the carpet .
A lot of us will remember the appalling constant racist abuse black players received week in week out back in the 60s,70s,80s when there were few black players in the leagues then .slowly but surely it was highlighted and it was eventually eradicated from the terraces to the point it’s a hate crime now and it’s not heard ,not that it’s gone away entirely but a huge improvement on what went on in the past .
We need to get this level of action and accountability to the clubs whose supporters are most guilty of this and get it stopped by hammering the media outlets at every opportunity,highlighting it,bringing it into the national consciousness otherwise it’s just going to continue.

[BCCC]

Funny how the BBC reporters couldn't find any footage of large groups of Liverpool supporters engaging in Munich songs either inside or outside stadiums to use in their piece.

This is not a joint problem, it completely one sided and should be called out as such. The image portrayed is that the problem is as bad on both sides when it absolutely isn't.

[Kloppage Time]

Really dumbfounded by whoever came up with this strategy to go to schools to educate kids about tragedy chanting.

It's the bastard adults that need dragging out and be taught a lesson.

Surely the Club can before a match request a 30 minute delay from the PL/Officials and ram home the message to their scummy fans over the stadium speakers and that anyone found guilty (fucking use the high class CCTV/cameras dotted around) will be banned and be reported to the Police to be dealt with?

It's fucking bonkers.

Don't know, it's often the kids that embarrass the parents from homophobic and racist remarks, maybe it can work for this too

[redgriffin73]

Words fail me.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/children-report-inappropriate-hillsborough-comment-28893636?fbclid=IwAR2XKQfhF7MuINzz6ilN-7a05KylkBS2iF2BQFFX84LxdhJnkm8Gh6lad3A

[9 kemlyn road]

Funny how the BBC reporters couldn't find any footage of large groups of Liverpool supporters engaging in Munich songs either inside or outside stadiums to use in their piece.

This is not a joint problem, it completely one sided and should be called out as such. The image portrayed is that the problem is as bad on both sides when it absolutely isn't.

But it’s the bbc .from Salford ,directly across the river from old Trafford ,next door neighbours.it s basically the local tv station for Manchester and there’s no chance they are going to upset the very people they are right in the middle of.
They’re just doing what the beeb do all the time whatever the subject which is report items with ,in their eyes,balance so mancs are accused of tragedy chanting,then let’s say Liverpool fans are just as bad by Munich chanting,which clearly they weren’t.
It’s not a joint problem,it’s manc problem and all media outlets are refusing to address or acknowledge it .

[BCCC]

But it’s the bbc .from Salford ,directly across the river from old Trafford ,next door neighbours.it s basically the local tv station for Manchester and there’s no chance they are going to upset the very people they are right in the middle of.
They’re just doing what the beeb do all the time whatever the subject which is report items with ,in their eyes,balance so mancs are accused of tragedy chanting,then let’s say Liverpool fans are just as bad by Munich chanting,which clearly they weren’t.
It’s not a joint problem,it’s manc problem and all media outlets are refusing to address or acknowledge it .

Imagine how hard they tried and failed to find footage of Liverpool supporters tragedy chanting to support their "balanced" report.

[9 kemlyn road]

Imagine how hard they tried and failed to find footage of Liverpool supporters tragedy chanting to support their "balanced" report.

They just keep insinuating repeating and saying Liverpool supporters were singing Munich songs ,it gets ingrained into the public’s minds and of course becomes a fact .
Keep repeating a lie it eventually becomes known a truth

[Baby Huey]

Imagine how hard they tried and failed to find footage of Liverpool supporters tragedy chanting to support their "balanced" report.

They'd only have to go back to the early eighties...

The will to do something about this doesn't exist amongst their fan base. It was a battle back in the 80's when we started telling people to pack it in. I was threatened more than once, especially in the Bier Keller, Groundpig night. Wasn't funny then though.

As fans there's not much we can do. Ask the club to do something, that's not happening. Man U don't care.

[BCCC]

They'd only have to go back to the early eighties...

Just the 40 odd years then. Even then I'd be amazed if they found footage of 30 odd thousand of our supporters singing about Munich in unison. And you're right they don't care.

[Baby Huey]

Just the 40 odd years then. Even then I'd be amazed if they found footage of 30 odd thousand of our supporters singing about Munich in unison. And you're right they don't care.

The Rd End and some on the Kop. I remember being at an away in 87, Newcastle, Stevie's hat trick, and a group of lads in the pub we were in started and didn't get past the first line before everyone in the pub shouted them down. Every time I've been to Old Trafford since the mid/late 80's I've not seen or heard any concentrated chanting from us.

[Eeyore]

Words fail me.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/children-report-inappropriate-hillsborough-comment-28893636?fbclid=IwAR2XKQfhF7MuINzz6ilN-7a05KylkBS2iF2BQFFX84LxdhJnkm8Gh6lad3A

That was the school Liverpool sent the likes of Raheem Sterling to.

[SK8 Red]

Something else that doesn't help is the Manchester Evening News headlining many Liverpool news articles and court cases. Not sure the Echo does the same with Manchester news.
I'm out with a few United fans next Saturday. Hopefully I don't get drawn into a discussion about the cup game and chanting.

[9 kemlyn road]

Something else that doesn't help is the Manchester Evening News headlining many Liverpool news articles and court cases. Not sure the Echo does the same with Manchester news.
I'm out with a few United fans next Saturday. Hopefully I don't get drawn into a discussion about the cup game and chanting.

Just keep reminding them of the 0-5 at their place and that almighty 7-0 thrashing last season .it hurts them big time .and in the eyes of fans of other clubs it made them a laughing stock to ridiculed .
Deep down they’re shitting themselves we’re going back there in a weeks time .

[Coyler]

If that is directed at me then you are out of order. Had you met me, then I am the most calm and chilled person you will meet.

Jesus no, what I was on about was the dire potential consequences of any deliberate escalation from insults and disagreements straight to physical violence, basically the old-school straightener -- not someone having to fight off a pack of pricks who hopped on them in a lane!

I'll be honest, though, reading it back I can't swear your story wasn't in the back of my mind somewhere -- no idea why I would have said "online" otherwise  -- and anyone looking at the thread would probably make the same connection. So I 100% apologize for dragging you into it with the way I phrased it. I am happy to confirm it wasn't a direct reference to anything you said.

(For what it's worth, I remember you from way back in a former life on YNWA.tv and I also know from first-hand reports IRL that you're one of life's good guys ... even if a bit of a total, confirmed mad yoke...    )

[Eeyore]

Home to Brighton is probably the perfect example of how to deal with offensive chants.

As a club we had an issue where our fans were making inappropriate chants. We didn't duck the issue. We didn't hide. The whole club sought to educate the fans who were acting inappropriately and we moved on.

We could have ignored the issue, we could have looked to excuse the issue. We didn't look for false equivalence or look for mitigation. Our manager called out the people who were acting badly and the issue was resolved immediately.

[wah00ey]

Loads on this in the pressers today.  Simon Stone again has the gall on the BBC to say, in his very first sentence, it's from "both sides."

 

[Paul JH]

Loads on this in the pressers today.  Simon Stone again has the gall on the BBC to say, in his very first sentence, it's from "both sides."

 

I can't stand Simon Stone, it's absolutely vile that the media and people like him seek to balance it out by saying it's both sets of fans. It isn't. But then why pass up the chance to slag off Liverpool supporters in a 'balanced' way by doing that. He's as bad as any of the people singing the songs, if not worse for peddling that it's both sets of fans need educating.

I can't remember seeing 30,000 of our fans singing Munich songs in the last 30 years anywhere, maybe he'd like to enlighten everyone as to when that last happened? But then he'd probably just equate 30,000 Utd fans signing murderers and always the victims to say, 5 Liverpool dopes singing about Munich, you know, because it's the same isn't it?

Sigh.

[Fromola]

Stone's a Manchester correspondent (at BBC Salford). He always pushes their narratives.

[Paul JH]

Stone's a Manchester correspondent (at BBC Salford). He always pushes their narratives.

Paid up mouthpiece of City too.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Loads on this in the pressers today.  Simon Stone again has the gall on the BBC to say, in his very first sentence, it's from "both sides."

 

He could believe it to be true, would need somebody from the Club to actually point that out though.

[number 168]

He could believe it to be true, would need somebody from the Club to actually point that out though.

Martyn Ziegler made the same false claim on Sky's 'Back pages tonight'. I have made a complaint asking why this false assertion was not challenged?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Martyn Ziegler made the same false claim on Sky's 'Back pages tonight'. I have made a complaint asking why this false assertion was not challenged?

Is why, if there is an email campaign, the first lot need sending to Boston.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Loads on this in the pressers today.  Simon Stone again has the gall on the BBC to say, in his very first sentence, it's from "both sides."

 

Nothing stopping anyone for reporting what he said to the BBC.

[Zlen]

So a week ahead of the Hillsborough anniversary Liverpool travel to Old Trafford.
It's all going to be fine right?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Loads on this in the pressers today.  Simon Stone again has the gall on the BBC to say, in his very first sentence, it's from "both sides."

 

They've removed that now.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

The Manchester Guardian still reporting it as if it's an 'equal' problem.

Not sure how they can stand by that given that you can hear tens of thousands of Manchester United fans laughing and singing shite the whole game and absolutely nothing back from the Liverpool fans.


Fucking lying shithouses. But what do you expect from a Manc paper - not like the British media have ever told the actual truth about this. They should be ashamed of themselves, but I expect they'll lie about it after this game as well.

[DelTrotter]

Loads on this in the pressers today.  Simon Stone again has the gall on the BBC to say, in his very first sentence, it's from "both sides."

 

Grim but not surprising from that dickhead sadly.

Sky could go a long way to ending this if they shame these bad enough but don't seem to want to touch it and if they ever do will probably be the usual "both sides" "Klopp and Ten Hag said..." drivel.

[BCCC]

They didn't want the narrative in the first place, it's an inconvenience so the next best thing is to twist the narrative into a "joint problem" when anyone with eyes and ears knows otherwise.

[wah00ey]

Nothing stopping anyone for reporting what he said to the BBC.

I've tried that before Andy and it's futile.  They just hide behind the "balanced" argument, which as we know is utter bollox.

[number 168]

Martyn Ziegler made the same false claim on Sky's 'Back pages tonight'. I have made a complaint asking why this false assertion was not challenged?

Here's the reply for what it's worth.

"Back Pages Tonight is a discussion based programme where guest contributors are invited on to discuss the Back Pages of the next days papers.
The views of contributors do not reflect the views of Sky Sports.
Sky Sports always values feedback from viewers. Your comments have been noted and passed to the Sky Sports team for their awareness."

In essence Sky are saying that their invited guests can say anything they want and Sky have no duty or even inclination to hold them to account.

[Jwils21]

28 mins today before the first rendition of tragedy chanting became audible on the TV. Education is working ay

[TomDcs]

28 mins today before the first rendition of tragedy chanting became audible on the TV. Education is working ay

Not sure if it was me, but something about the audio seemed to change when it became louder. Perhaps like the broadcaster was trying to drown it out in some way.

[Jshooters]

Not sure if it was me, but something about the audio seemed to change when it became louder. Perhaps like the broadcaster was trying to drown it out in some way.

The audio went really weird after we scored the first, don’t know if they were trying to manipulate it in anticipation

[oojason]

Still could be heard on the Sky comms: at 28m.40s into the game (35.08 in the video) - https://footyfull.com/premier-league/manchester-united-vs-liverpool-07-04-2024

As ever, Sky fuck around manipulating the audio - though they still don't call it out or even mention it themselves.

[Jwils21]

The audio went really weird after we scored the first, don’t know if they were trying to manipulate it in anticipation

It went funny when our end sang “Fergie’s right” which is usually followed up by tragedy chanting from the home end

[DangerScouse]

It went funny when our end sang “Fergie’s right” which is usually followed up by tragedy chanting from the home end

A poster on here blamed us singing that,  for antagonising the vermin and them singing that.