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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #640 on: May 14, 2012, 09:29:09 pm »
RAWK is....appreciated.  Ta for giving up your time Mods.

I may be a wool and live and work 250 miles from home down South now - which makes for a lot of mileage every other wekend and a pain in the arse when the derby match gets shifted to a Tuesday - but RAWK keeps me in touch and allows digital 'conversation' of events that I wouldnt get in any pub round here. Ta.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #641 on: May 15, 2012, 05:31:18 pm »
Sorry, I might be late to post the feedback, but I have a tiny suggestion.

I think it would help a lot if moderators had two modes of posting, as a moderator and as a poster. So every moderated comment just came out as a moderator telling you not post something not as Alan or VDM or whoever it is. Their individual opinions of what they think of the club sometimes gets in moderation and also, some posters get leeway in some aspects just because they have been posting a long time and get along with the moderators. I think moderation will be much better if there is no person behind the moderated comments. I dont know how practical it is, but I think that might help improve moderation and moderators will get a better feedback on their moderation and not biased on their posts they make. (Kind of like a steward at a game wont enjoy the game, but later at the bar he can do whatever he wants, if that makes sense)

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #642 on: May 15, 2012, 05:50:21 pm »
Sorry, I might be late to post the feedback, but I have a tiny suggestion.

I think it would help a lot if moderators had two modes of posting, as a moderator and as a poster. So every moderated comment just came out as a moderator telling you not post something not as Alan or VDM or whoever it is. Their individual opinions of what they think of the club sometimes gets in moderation and also, some posters get leeway in some aspects just because they have been posting a long time and get along with the moderators. I think moderation will be much better if there is no person behind the moderated comments. I dont know how practical it is, but I think that might help improve moderation and moderators will get a better feedback on their moderation and not biased on their posts they make. (Kind of like a steward at a game wont enjoy the game, but later at the bar he can do whatever he wants, if that makes sense)

Fair comment and I sometimes think that might be useful. But there are two types of moderation. Warnings and bans are generally anonymous. When we moderate openly it's usually for a reason - often to calm a thread down - and if everyone knows who it is they react better (hopefully) than if it's a faceless mod-bot.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #643 on: May 15, 2012, 05:53:55 pm »
Sorry, I might be late to post the feedback, but I have a tiny suggestion.

I think it would help a lot if moderators had two modes of posting, as a moderator and as a poster. So every moderated comment just came out as a moderator telling you not post something not as Alan or VDM or whoever it is. Their individual opinions of what they think of the club sometimes gets in moderation and also, some posters get leeway in some aspects just because they have been posting a long time and get along with the moderators. I think moderation will be much better if there is no person behind the moderated comments. I dont know how practical it is, but I think that might help improve moderation and moderators will get a better feedback on their moderation and not biased on their posts they make. (Kind of like a steward at a game wont enjoy the game, but later at the bar he can do whatever he wants, if that makes sense)


Further to Alan's good reply I'd also like to add further that every mod has a different way of modding, and being identified means we stand up to our decisions and are accountable for them which can't be a bad thing for us power hungry soup nazis.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #644 on: May 16, 2012, 05:43:51 pm »
From my perspective, rawk has always been a place which supported civilised debate .... Between people who on the whole love the club, all with their own opinion which forced one to test you own standpoints and perspectives .... Long may this continue.... However.....

Personally I'm also a little disturbed at how TLW is beginning to be preached in a similar heavy handed fashion and using blunt/rude language as the real wums who come On here which I hate.... They're wind ups for a reason and the way they post is telling...personally you can't teach the spirit behind the liverpool way... You either et it or you don't.... What it def isn't though is randomly plucking quotes from shanks out of context... The classic being football is more important than life or death... After hillsborough no it isn't! Try getting your heads around what was said then compared to what we have been through since .... Don't quote please think!

We have taken a spiritual beating through the yanks coming in and rafa leaving ..... It seems like our club is still settling From the aftermath of 18mths ago... When we talked of brands, new ownership, the way forward .... Where we are now is reflective of that process ... Kenny is in all seriousness the last formal link to our past .... That also is telling regards the level of change we should have expected when moores first thought of selling our club....... We are changing, our core values are being tested and questioned.... What was a given and accepted as a singluar truth is being coloured through true debate and alternative perspectives.... No bad thing if treated as an opportunity for people to reevaluate what supporting lfc actually means to them....

I think the mods have treated me fairly and generally are cool and sensible.... Consistency could always be improved in terms of the mod team but more aspirational than a prerequisite requirement  ... We are all human after all..... Think they generate some quality replies and posts .... Just wish we could differentiate between thoughtful posts and the real flippant non sensical posts saying get rid get get rid.... Insane mindset imo you never remove players or managers unless you have replacements lined up....

If we could all take a step back and get back to postin thoughtful posts the better.... Whether we agree or we dont.... And just show some respect for each other....some good suggestions from other posters on how you could enhance the user experience but for me just getting us back to basics and reading and thinking about well thought out posts is all I want!

Edit: the above was written before hearing about kenny... Maybe we did not quite understand what selling our club would mean... But I've sat and watched what has happened after rafa was deemed not good enough... Him being ousted and the rhetoric thrown at him was far worse than anything that kenny has faced ... Small blessings? Anyway, you reap what you sow... And how predictable, sad and painful have things turned out.... Fat scouser said it right... What little heart we had was ripped out when rafa left the way he did.... The context and circumstances behind him leaving are crucial to understand ... Kenny helped us all by coming back... The way he has left is similar to rafa imo.... Kenny was never going to be a long term appointment but to let him go with no idea what fsg have got planned is insane .... The level of change they are making through lfc is fucking insane IMO..... But before we go all hormonal let's see what fsg come up with over the next few days... Cause they have a lot of posts to fill.... And maybe rawk can help show us the way forwards out of the shadow of our past, without losing our connection to the past ... Or drowning in the wails of the one liner insane possy ...

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #645 on: May 18, 2012, 01:09:36 pm »
This place, most of the time, is a Colosseum, not a discussion board. there's not much of a friendly atmosphere.  I admit to my part in it at times, but I'm done with the anger now
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« Reply #646 on: May 20, 2012, 06:16:40 pm »
Fair comment and I sometimes think that might be useful. But there are two types of moderation. Warnings and bans are generally anonymous. When we moderate openly it's usually for a reason - often to calm a thread down - and if everyone knows who it is they react better (hopefully) than if it's a faceless mod-bot.

Further to Alan's good reply I'd also like to add further that every mod has a different way of modding, and being identified means we stand up to our decisions and are accountable for them which can't be a bad thing for us power hungry soup nazis.

Thanks for taking my suggestion in account. I think being responsible for banning someone is a good point. Although not always people see who banned them. I was banned once for criticizing Kenny's tactics on CC semis. Without a single warning without the moderator identifying himself or without any clue how to contact a mod. So I dont think they are always responsible. (May be I just didnt know how to do that)

 I still think moderators can not have opinions, and if they do, they should post as posters. Eg. I point to the new thread Carling cup or 4th place. I bet it would be a locked up thread in about 3 minutes it started if I had started it. It is clearly going to divide opinions (also called shit stirring when anyone other than mods do it) and had a one line argument about whatever the subject was. I am not trying to attack the poster or the mod, but just trying to raise a point.

Anyway, FWIW its still a really good place and for all news Liverpool the best and fastest source.

« Last Edit: May 20, 2012, 06:20:13 pm by ryatnalkar »

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #647 on: May 20, 2012, 06:23:50 pm »
Mate, we are all mods because we love the club.  If you love the club you will have opinions on it, strong opinions.  If you want mods without opinions on LFC then you would have to pay them. 
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« Reply #648 on: May 20, 2012, 06:27:43 pm »
Thanks for taking my suggestion in account. I think being responsible for banning someone is a good point.

 I still think moderators can not have opinions, and if they do, they should post as posters. Eg. I point to the new thread Carling cup or 4th place. I bet it would be a locked up thread in about 3 minutes it started if I had started it. It is clearly going to divide opinions (also called shit stirring when anyone other than mods do it) and had a one line argument about whatever the subject was. I am not trying to attack the poster or the mod, but just trying to raise a point.

Anyway, FWIW its still a really good place and for all news Liverpool the best and fastest source.




Maybe it might maybe it wouldn't. Alan is a highly respected poster who over the years of his excellent writings has earned the right to post the occasional less than startlingly brilliant observation.. Also as he said, it was meant to include a winky smiley. Either way we all post stuff that will sink without trace or stay forever.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #649 on: May 20, 2012, 06:35:55 pm »
Thanks for taking my suggestion in account. I think being responsible for banning someone is a good point. Although not always people see who banned them. I was banned once for criticizing Kenny's tactics on CC semis. Without a single warning without the moderator identifying himself or without any clue how to contact a mod. So I dont think they are always responsible. (May be I just didnt know how to do that)

 I still think moderators can not have opinions, and if they do, they should post as posters. Eg. I point to the new thread Carling cup or 4th place. I bet it would be a locked up thread in about 3 minutes it started if I had started it. It is clearly going to divide opinions (also called shit stirring when anyone other than mods do it) and had a one line argument about whatever the subject was. I am not trying to attack the poster or the mod, but just trying to raise a point.

Anyway, FWIW its still a really good place and for all news Liverpool the best and fastest source.



I think the issue is that we aren't an open message board but a site that has editorial direction. We are not just moderators but contribute to the site as well as agreeing on those who should get scribe status. It means that some people see us as controlling and over-bearing but it does provide a platform for some great writing - E2K's last piece was one of the best bits of writing about the current state of the club you will read anywhere. Same for Roy's piece.

The 4th place or Carling Cup was making a specific point. There was no reason why it should divide opinions because the choice between the two in this instance was made irrelevant by Chelsea's win in Munich. The fact that people's attitudes are so entrenched that they can't see beyond the predictable reaction is sad but a few picked up on what tthe thread was about and there are a few interesting posts in there. Read macca888's post in particular, which eloquently expresses just that.

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It's sad that there are some people who persist in portraying RAWK as draconian and ban-happy. Fuck knows why you would be worried about getting a ban for posting in a thread started by VdM asking for opinions on how we can improve the site. Banning is rare and invariably for valid reasons. If we make a mistake we review and rescind as appropriate.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #650 on: May 21, 2012, 01:28:52 pm »
I thought it might help understand what we are trying to achieve if I shared my current ruminations...

Essentially it is a balancing act, or more accurate a whole series of balancing acts each stacked on top of the other...

We want the place to be fun without it becoming totally frivolous.
So what is good for the boozer may not be good for the main forum.  And there are times when even the regulars in the boozer need reminding that this is an open forum and not their own chat site.

We try to moderate fairly but also with a bit of humour.
 We'll try to give reasons for decisions, sometimes the reasons may be pithy, witty or downright pissed off.  Sometimes we don't quite get that right, we're humans after all.  At times it can be a joyless job and the stroppy message to accompany a locked thread is the only joy in our miserable lives.  Indulge us...
 
We want people to be able to have their say but we don't want the good posters to leave because the site is overrun by idiots.
Probably the hardest one. Ask half the users and they'll demand the freedom to call Carra a c*nt.  Ask the other half and they think we should ban the first half immediately.  We keep repeating it, this is a moderated forum, there are some key guidelines about respecting the club, the manager, the city that we will always enforce.  Then there are threads, and perhaps even users who we will remove for editorial reasons, because we think that the site is better without them.  It may seem harsh but it really isn't a restriction of your freedom of speech, there are plenty of less moderated LFC forums out there that you are free to use. 

And following on from the above, the biggy, the bone of contention...

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Nobody is banned on a whim.  We issue permanent bans rarely, approx one a day, which on a site with 37,000 members is tiny. When we do ban someone permanently lots of things are taken into account, the seriousness of the offence and previous posting record. Whether this is an aberration from someone who is normally an asset to the site or whether this is just another example of a pattern of disruptive posting.  In short, if you are the sort of poster who contributes well thought out threads and posts to the site then you are more likely to be given second chances than someone who is constantly involved in one liner spats.  This is nothing to do with old users v new users either, a short but excellent posting history is far more likely to cut you some slack than years of posting nonsense.

There is also an ethos to the site that is based as best we can on what we consider to be the Liverpool Way.  Those posters who share that ethos may well be cut more slack if involved in an argument with a user who does not share that ethos. Maintaining a core of users who share the site's ethos is essential in maintaining that ethos.  If that ethos is not for you then in all seriousness this site is probably not for you.

None of the above means that dissenting voices can not be heard, make your case politely and with reason and most views will be not only tolerated but actively debated.  The existence of fans of other clubs on here is evidence of that.  Similarly it does not mean that certain users have carte blanche to flout site rules. Nobody is unbannable. In many ways we expect higher standards from our scribes and writers than we do from the rest of you. 


Hope that helps clarify a few things.  As usual answering questions will be a welcome distraction from a long afternoon in the office.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #651 on: May 21, 2012, 03:01:18 pm »
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« Reply #652 on: May 21, 2012, 10:00:59 pm »
I thought it might help understand what we are trying to achieve if I shared my current ruminations...

I don't want to embarrass you, VdeM, but I think you've turned out very well as a Mod. You're a real asset to this place now. Maybe we should insure you.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #653 on: May 21, 2012, 10:07:34 pm »
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #654 on: May 22, 2012, 08:52:20 am »
I don't want to embarrass you, VdeM, but I think you've turned out very well as a Mod. You're a real asset to this place now. Maybe we should insure you.

We looked into insuring him, but the policy excess was £50, and well, erm...

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #655 on: May 22, 2012, 09:26:35 am »
I don't want to embarrass you, VdeM, but I think you've turned out very well as a Mod. You're a real asset to this place now. Maybe we should insure you.

I like the cut of your jib sir...

We looked into insuring him, but the policy excess was £50, and well, erm...

As for you.   Well, no fair enough, to be honest. 
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« Reply #656 on: May 25, 2012, 11:38:16 am »
Just a quick question.  I've noticed the recent split of the scribes into scribes and writers.  For instance Juan was a scribe before IIRC and now he seems to be a writer while Lachesis has remained a scribe.  So I was wondering what this is meant to do exactly.  Obviously one of the things that has come out of this thread is that RAWK encourages people writing well thought out posts even if they are a bit long and is this new division a way to I suppose encourage people to go that extra bit and try and write some nice juicy articles for the site ? 
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« Reply #657 on: May 25, 2012, 11:47:49 am »
Just a quick question.  I've noticed the recent split of the scribes into scribes and writers.  For instance Juan was a scribe before IIRC and now he seems to be a writer while Lachesis has remained a scribe.  So I was wondering what this is meant to do exactly.  Obviously one of the things that has come out of this thread is that RAWK encourages people writing well thought out posts even if they are a bit long and is this new division a way to I suppose encourage people to go that extra bit and try and write some nice juicy articles for the site ? 


There's a stickied thread on the Liverpool board that explains and introduces our new set of RAWK Writers, they have been selected as the new writers on RAWK's new front page, the demonstrate the variety of voices we have on the site. Of course like any team, we can bring in new ones as and when we see fit. Otherwise no other changes there, but yes, we want people to write well for the site.
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« Reply #658 on: May 25, 2012, 11:54:56 am »

There's a stickied thread on the Liverpool board that explains and introduces our new set of RAWK Writers, they have been selected as the new writers on RAWK's new front page, the demonstrate the variety of voices we have on the site. Of course like any team, we can bring in new ones as and when we see fit. Otherwise no other changes there, but yes, we want people to write well for the site.

Thanks.  Just seen it.  Fair play.
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« Reply #659 on: May 25, 2012, 01:14:46 pm »
no, but worthwhile? yes.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #660 on: May 30, 2012, 08:48:44 pm »
We are all victims of our history,  thought and action. LFC compromises much of that thought and action. That's what this facility is all about, surely?


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« Reply #661 on: May 30, 2012, 08:53:31 pm »
a place of almost sanity amongst all the F5 addicts, a place for some of the best writing in any forum!

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #662 on: May 30, 2012, 09:09:54 pm »
Can I just commend one of the new mods for dealing with me being a nuisance in an expert manner.

I made a silly remark, in jest, and some folks got their backs up.

Well dealt with. Beats a straight banning without warning.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #663 on: August 14, 2012, 04:03:55 pm »
No offense but i think that this forum could be better .
The Rawk are a little confusing , and have luck of organisation . Its just a suggestion but i think that it would be better if was made an particular forum to talk about the players , like Squad 2012/13 , staff 2012/13 , other forum to talk about the games .

Basically , this forum need to be more organised and less confusing .

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #664 on: August 14, 2012, 04:05:24 pm »
No offense but i think that this forum could be better .
The Rawk are a little confusing , and have luck of organisation . Its just a suggestion but i think that it would be better if was made an particular forum to talk about the players , like Squad 2012/13 , staff 2012/13 , other forum to talk about the games .

Basically , this forum need to be more organised and less confusing .
Couldn't disagree more strongly with that to be honest.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #665 on: August 14, 2012, 04:09:20 pm »
No offense but i think that this forum could be better .
The Rawk are a little confusing , and have luck of organisation . Its just a suggestion but i think that it would be better if was made an particular forum to talk about the players , like Squad 2012/13 , staff 2012/13 , other forum to talk about the games .

Basically , this forum need to be more organised and less confusing .

Give it a while you will get used to it.

We are pondering a few changes but as with all things RAWK they will take place at our usually glacial speed.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #666 on: August 14, 2012, 04:35:21 pm »
I understand, i just gave my opinion .

I'm a little lost in all this threads , where can i find the players threads ?

ty ;)

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #667 on: August 14, 2012, 07:23:04 pm »
The Liverpool Board has many player threads. Not all players have their own threads. If you feel one needs starting, please do. But be aware often the player thread becomes full of nonsense. :wave
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #668 on: August 15, 2012, 12:40:16 am »
The Liverpool Board has many player threads. Not all players have their own threads. If you feel one needs starting, please do. But be aware often the player thread becomes full of nonsense. :wave

I thought that every player had his own thread .
Im in a FCPorto Forum and there is very different from here , that's the reason for my doubts .

And ty ;)

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #669 on: September 19, 2012, 01:01:56 am »
What is RAWK? I think this last week has well and truly answered that in spades and I'm proud to be part of it.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #670 on: September 19, 2012, 01:05:38 am »
Its boss sure we row and call each other absolute bastards at times but i like the place theres some cool people on here. And the response the last week and the solidarity shown to the families and surivors et al show your all classy people.

Well except macca888 what a bastard he is  ;D
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #671 on: September 19, 2012, 01:20:24 am »
Give a man empty pages, and he shall journal his life, give him RAWK and macca888 did probably bang his wife.

Give a lady empty pages, and she shall diary her adventures, give her RAWK and she'll realise we're all c*nts.

RAWK's a collective of opinionated minds that have little to say, in a lot of words.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #672 on: September 19, 2012, 02:05:11 am »
Give a man empty pages, and he shall journal his life, give him RAWK and macca888 did probably bang his wife.

Give a lady empty pages, and she shall diary her adventures, give her RAWK and she'll realise we're all c*nts.

RAWK's a collective of opinionated minds that have little to say, in a lot of words.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #673 on: September 19, 2012, 10:59:19 am »
Well except macca888 what a bastard he is  ;D

Give a man empty pages, and he shall journal his life, give him RAWK and macca888 did probably bang his wife.

;D   You know it!


And seeing as the other thread is locked, I'd just like to say what an absolutely brilliant job all the mods have done this last few days. The decisions you've made have been 100% the correct ones, and to be able to run the site so fantastically while you were all in the same position as everyone else in dealing with the hurt, upset, pain, anger and personal anguish speaks volumes for you all. I'm honestly not guilty of it, but it's easy to understand why some people draw that arbitrary line of "us against them" when it comes to the mods, but last week should have shown them that it is most definitely not the case.  We're all in this together, and maybe some people might like to remember that next time something is said or a decision is made that they're not happy with.
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #674 on: September 30, 2012, 10:17:54 pm »
I think the recent Hillsborough coverage has really made clear what RAWK is. And it has been superb.

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #675 on: March 15, 2013, 03:54:07 am »
I really really love this place you crazy bastards keep me sae at times.

Except macca we still hate him ..  ;D
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #676 on: March 15, 2013, 07:59:45 am »
you crazy bastards keep me sae

...otherwise you'd go postal?

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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #677 on: March 15, 2013, 09:04:29 am »
...otherwise you'd go postal?

To be frank, it's time this kind of frippery was stamped out.

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Re: What is RAWK?
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Re: What is RAWK?
« Reply #679 on: March 15, 2013, 10:13:35 am »
...otherwise you'd go postal?
Very good!