Topic: Nottingham Forest

[kev_goss]

Neither did we

Nope but I just smile at the c*nts, you find most the rabid twats are from the outskirt towns like mine, full of divvies here.

[elbow]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1764473861838422233


https://twitter.com/O1Paul/status/1763972661879751148/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1763972661879751148%7Ctwgr%5E87ec4b95934c76127fec307c68c58dad75a17a22%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thisisanfield.com%2F2024%2F03%2Fthe-disgusting-scenes-from-forest-fans-that-led-to-young-liverpool-fan-on-pitch-at-full-time%2F


https://twitter.com/i/status/1763977121657991538


I also heard that the ref gave the ball inappropriately to Forest in the 1st half, any clips of this?

I watched the "Inside Anfield/away game" the club do, I could have sworn that area behind the dug out was called the "family stand" or something similar.

The irony.

[thaddeus]

Four point deduction, apparently.

Would put them one point behind Luton and four behind Everton.

Edit: being reported by the Grauniad now - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/18/nottingham-forest-docked-four-points-premier-league-financial-rules-breach-profitability-and-sustainability

[smicer07]

The Blues are revolting.

[MonsLibpool]

Four point deduction, apparently.

Would put them one point behind Luton and four behind Everton.

Edit: being reported by the Grauniad now - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/18/nottingham-forest-docked-four-points-premier-league-financial-rules-breach-profitability-and-sustainability

Very weak from the PL. Spending heavily is worth it if it's only a 4-point deduction.

[thaddeus]

Very weak from the PL. Spending heavily is worth it if it's only a 4-point deduction.

It is and even that's being appealed by Forest.  It's going to get to the point that the penalties are so weak and the appeals so drawn out that it won't be worth the effort to enforce it anymore.

[Kekule]

Didn’t Everton get 6 after appeal?

I bet that’s gone down well!!

[rawcusk8]

They’ll appeal it, it will get reduced and they’ll probably end up staying up. Got to say I want these to get relegated over any of the other candidates. Find their fans disgusting and our recent match showed what a vile bunch they are.

[MonsLibpool]

It is and even that's being appealed by Forest.  It's going to get to the point that the penalties are so weak and the appeals so drawn out that it won't be worth the effort to enforce it anymore.

This was their chance to lay down a marker and they've blown it.

[rob1966]

Very weak from the PL. Spending heavily is worth it if it's only a 4-point deduction.

Yep - risk it and see, likelihood is it'll work, just look at Everton

[lfc_col]

Whats the point so weak from the league

[Fromola]

It is and even that's being appealed by Forest.  It's going to get to the point that the penalties are so weak and the appeals so drawn out that it won't be worth the effort to enforce it anymore.

They should bring in transfer bans.

[Statto Red]

It puts Forest in the bottom 3, Luton 17th

[lfc_col]

Why they even bothering if there going to give such small deductions they should be being hit with 15 or 20 points then they might think erm we won't be doing that again should be no appeals either it would stop a lot of it its like there just going through the motions that there actually doing something

[Fitzy.]

Why they even bothering if there going to give such small deductions they should be being hit with 15 or 20 points then they might think erm we won't be doing that again should be no appeals either it would stop a lot of it its like there just going through the motions that there actually doing something

I guess proportionality comes into the decision making - where would you go with a bigger breach? As for banning appeals, this wouldn't fly in any court - even within sports arbitration. Appeals are a central tenet of the court process.

[newterp]

AbuDhabi 115 are walking away from this with no punishment of note whatsoever.

Premier League is just getting us ready for that outcome.

[Garlicbread]

According to Henry Winter:

https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1769734587834335371

The @premierleague
 season finishes May 19. Assuming Forest appeal 4-point deduction for breaching PSR, PL says appeal hearing backstop date is May 24 (in advance of AGM). Appeal takes time. Real danger that relegation positions are finalised only after season finishes #NFFC #4pts

What a shambles

[Black Bull Nova]

Everton?

[Fitzy.]

PSR obviously has teeth. How sharp will depend what they do with City.

[thaddeus]

According to Henry Winter:

https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1769734587834335371

The @premierleague
 season finishes May 19. Assuming Forest appeal 4-point deduction for breaching PSR, PL says appeal hearing backstop date is May 24 (in advance of AGM). Appeal takes time. Real danger that relegation positions are finalised only after season finishes #NFFC #4pts

What a shambles

They really need to make it a lot more efficient.  I guess the backlog of Everton's appeal (which should have been boxed off last season) has had a knock-on but we shouldn't be in mid-March before they punish issues found in the accounts submitted by 31st December.  If half a dozen clubs all breached, were punished and appealed they'd still be hearing the appeals at Christmas!

[lfc_col]

I guess proportionality comes into the decision making - where would you go with a bigger breach? As for banning appeals, this wouldn't fly in any court - even within sports arbitration. Appeals are a central tenet of the court process.

Whats the point then is all i am saying its not really much of a punishment

[thaddeus]

Everton?

They can only handle one at a time 

Everton are next up.

[Baby Huey]

Everton?

Are shite...

[lfc_col]

They can only handle one at a time 

Everton are next up.

7 points reduced on appeal to 2 

[MonsLibpool]

Aby Dhabi would get a slap on the wrist at this rate

[lfc_col]

Aby Dhabi would get a slap on the wrist at this rate

God knows how long they will tie them up in appeals can you imagine

[Schmidt]

I think a smaller initial deduction is fine. Due to the three year rolling periods it's not like a club can spend a billion one summer, take a small deduction and then effectively have a clean slate, they'll still need to address the deficit before the next accounting period. I would say the benefit is also pretty marginal as you can only pull that trick once, as the next deduction will likely be more severe.

[newterp]

AbuDhabi 115 are walking away from this with no punishment of note whatsoever.

Premier League is just getting us ready for that outcome.

Aby Dhabi would get a slap on the wrist at this rate

God knows how long they will tie them up in appeals can you imagine

[MonsLibpool]

I think a smaller initial deduction is fine. Due to the three year rolling periods it's not like a club can spend a billion one summer, take a small deduction and then effectively have a clean slate, they'll still need to address the deficit before the next accounting period. I would say the benefit is also pretty marginal as you can only pull that trick once, as the next deduction will likely be more severe.

The intent behind it needs to be looked at. Forest made a mockery of the rules and they are getting off lightly.  That doesn't bode well.

[Red Beret]

I think the PL lowballed the deduction to try and make it appeal proof. But it's hardly a deterrent.

[TepidT2O]

I think the PL lowballed the deduction to try and make it appeal proof. But it's hardly a deterrent.

If it comes off, both Everton and Forest will have succeeded in cheating.

6 points for ANY breach plus one point per million.  that would sort them.  I have literally no sympathy (well, I do with their fans, none of this is their fault).

[thaddeus]

A few Evertonians on the family WhatsApp are chiming up.  They reckon they'll only get one or two points docked now as any penalty would have already been deducted by two-thirds (I don't really follow the logic...) and Forest's penalty sets the precedent that it's going to be low.

What initially looked like strong enforcement has crumbled at the feet of lawyers and external pressure.  I can see why they've not processed the Man City breaches yet.

[red_Mark1980]

They’ll appeal it, it will get reduced and they’ll probably end up staying up. Got to say I want these to get relegated over any of the other candidates. Find their fans disgusting and our recent match showed what a vile bunch they are.

Let me introduce you to Everton FC

[Buster Gonad]

They should have cheated harder. If you're not in relegation trouble there's no punishment.

[9 kemlyn road]

If it comes off, both Everton and Forest will have succeeded in cheating.

6 points for ANY breach plus one point per million.  that would sort them.  I have literally no sympathy (well, I do with their fans, none of this is their fault).

Fuck their fans ,they’re poison.they don’t think they’ve done any wrong ,hard done by ,wah,wah,wah.
Forest are cheats  pure and simple ,knew what they were  doing but with the owner they have is it any wonder .
Sooner they go back to oblivion the better.

[rafathegaffa83]

Very weak from the PL. Spending heavily is worth it if it's only a 4-point deduction.

Yep. I keep saying this but some clubs will see this as open season on spending themselves into oblivion because they know the penalty will be lower on appeal. And for those clubs on the brink of relegation, the PL looks to be far more lenient than the Football League which adds an extra incentive

[rafathegaffa83]

If it comes off, both Everton and Forest will have succeeded in cheating.

6 points for ANY breach plus one point per million.  that would sort them. 

That's what it should be. A fixed penalty for a breach + additional deductions based on the amounts over the threshold. That would largely stop this stuff overnight as ot is a real deterrant

[Red Beret]

If it comes off, both Everton and Forest will have succeeded in cheating.

6 points for ANY breach plus one point per million.  that would sort them.  I have literally no sympathy (well, I do with their fans, none of this is their fault).

It made sense for the PL and clubs not to write a fixed punishment into the rules and let the uncertainty of the severity of punishment act as a deterrent. But in hindsight it just seems to have encouraged clubs to cheat and appeal the punishment.

A severe, fixed punishment is clearly what is needed. That makes it appeal-proof.

[MonsLibpool]

https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2024/march/18/club-statement/

LOL.

[Elzar]

Oh no.