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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11840 on: March 31, 2024, 06:47:40 pm »
And released when one of the biggest games of the season is taking place. I'm guessing stadium update coming out tomorrow

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/everton-losses-double-latest-accounts-28916407
From that article...

"of further concern will be the increase in the wage to turnover ratio from 90% to 92%"

Also: "But the debt figure does not include the support package put in place by 777 Partners since the US group reached a deal to purchase majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri’s stake in the club in September. That move, the subject of protracted and still ongoing scrutiny by the Premier League, has seen just over $200m of additional loans provided to the club."

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11841 on: March 31, 2024, 06:52:41 pm »
Everton losses double in latest accounts as 'going concern' threat confirmed


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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11842 on: March 31, 2024, 06:54:05 pm »
Everton losses double in latest accounts as 'going concern' threat confirmed


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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11843 on: March 31, 2024, 07:00:29 pm »
So they're now trying to claim mitigation for their links to Usamov, whereas when Moshiri took over in 2016 he wasn't linked to Arsenal shareholder Usamov, no sirree.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11844 on: March 31, 2024, 07:01:24 pm »
And released when one of the biggest games of the season is taking place. I'm guessing stadium update coming out tomorrow

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/everton-losses-double-latest-accounts-28916407


That later figure comes with turnover having decreased to £172.2m, down by almost £9m on the previous year. Gate receipts did rise but of further concern will be the increase in the wage to turnover ratio from 90% to 92%. The rise is partly due to the fall in turnover and these figures end in the summer of 2023 before significant departures from the playing squad.


Going to be some hellatious increases in ticket price at BMD just for EFC to gain anything.

And, the PL, is looking at going to 80 or 85% of turnover the wages. Everton will be having a fire sale this summer or run the risk of failing PSR again.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11845 on: March 31, 2024, 07:02:20 pm »
So they're now trying to claim mitigation for their links to Usamov, whereas when Moshiri took over in 2016 he wasn't linked to Arsenal shareholder Usamov, no sirree.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11846 on: March 31, 2024, 07:05:03 pm »
So they're now trying to claim mitigation for their links to Usamov, whereas when Moshiri took over in 2016 he wasn't linked to Arsenal shareholder Usamov, no sirree.
The Echo article states that they were unable to replace the USM deals due to some smallprint.  Surely it's a simple matter of no other company being willing to sign up to such ridiculous deals (£6m to sponsor Finch Farm each season, for example :o)

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11847 on: March 31, 2024, 07:10:35 pm »
Everton losses double in latest accounts as 'going concern' threat confirmed


Are they starting to believe ?

More a case of are they starting to realise how screwed they are?
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11848 on: March 31, 2024, 07:14:28 pm »
The Echo article states that they were unable to replace the USM deals due to some smallprint.  Surely it's a simple matter of no other company being willing to sign up to such ridiculous deals (£6m to sponsor Finch Farm each season, for example :o)

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However, partnership income was significantly impacted by factors outside the Club’s control through the loss of £20m of contracted income because of the indefinitely suspended deals with USM, Megafon and Yota. Due to the nature of the suspension, the Club was unable to replace the partnership income against these deals.

Smallprint certainly being no one else is paying £20m for those sponsorships

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11849 on: March 31, 2024, 07:21:30 pm »
Here are the accounts for those that want to read them. They are pretty, pretty terrible.

https://www.evertonfc.com/club/shareholders/statement-of-accounts
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11850 on: March 31, 2024, 07:35:59 pm »
Why do their excuses always feel 2-3 seasons out of date?

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11851 on: March 31, 2024, 07:38:23 pm »


And, the PL, is looking at going to 80 or 85% of turnover the wages. Everton will be having a fire sale this summer or run the risk of failing PSR again.

If they have a fire sale then they can't afford to bring anyone in. It's all about balancing the books at this point and getting the wages down. So anybody they are able to bring in has to be on pittance wages. It's got all the makings of a Championship level squad. 777 can't just start pumping money into Everton's transfer budget like they're sportswashers.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11852 on: March 31, 2024, 07:46:41 pm »
Why do their excuses always feel 2-3 seasons out of date?
Tis incredibly bad according to their own accounts. Just a brief scan, but a few things stand out (though those with more accountancy skills than I will obviously pick thjese apart far more accurrately).

1. They made a loss of £40m before player trading, and £80+m after player trading. So, not only did they not attempt to cut losses, they actually spent approx £30m on transfers (heh, Beto) to make their situation even worse. They can complain all they like about losses elsewhere, but spending money on transfers while under scrutiny from last year's losses is just hubris.
2. They haven't acquired funding for the next stage of the new stadium.
3. They got loans, but they were contingent on PL status, if they go down they are wiped out.
4. To stay a going concern for the next 12 months will require a cash injection from the current majority shareholder (Moshiri) or the new one (777). In other words, not only are they scootered if relegated, they are scootered if the new owner doesnm't come in.
4. The biggest losses were commercial, and it's presented as a morality decision to end Russian sponsorship (it wasn't, it was a directive), but I thought that sponsorship was a one off payment for the stadium sponsorship, i.e. it was due to run out this year anyway.

The cynic in me says the whole thing is designed to appeal to the PL not to dock them more points this season (or they will enter administration), but even if they stay up it feels like a stay of execution. They will need a massive cash injection just to get the stadium finished and avoid piling up more debt again next season.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11853 on: March 31, 2024, 07:47:40 pm »
If they have a fire sale then they can't afford to bring anyone in. It's all about balancing the books at this point and getting the wages down. So anybody they are able to bring in has to be on pittance wages. It's got all the makings of a Championship level squad. 777 can't just start pumping money into Everton's transfer budget like they're sportswashers.
Player wages, from their own accounts, are 92% of turnover (up from 90%).
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11854 on: March 31, 2024, 07:49:46 pm »
Tis incredibly bad according to their own accounts. Just a brief scan, but a few things stand out (though those with more accountancy skills than I will obviously pick thjese apart far more accurrately).

1. They made a loss of £40m before player trading, and £80+m after player trading. So, not only did they not attempt to cut losses, they actually spent approx £30m on transfers (heh, Beto) to make their situation even worse. They can complain all they like about losses elsewhere, but spending money on transfers while under scrutiny from last year's losses is just hubris.
2. They haven't acquired funding for the next stage of the new stadium.
3. They got loans, but they were contingent on PL status, if they go down they are wiped out.
4. To stay a going concern for the next 12 months will require a cash injection from the current majority shareholder (Moshiri) or the new one (777). In other words, not only are they scootered if relegated, they are scootered if the new owner doesnm't come in.
4. The biggest losses were commercial, and it's presented as a morality decision to end Russian sponsorship (it wasn't, it was a directive), but I thought that sponsorship was a one off payment for the stadium sponsorship, i.e. it was due to run out this year anyway.

The cynic in me says the whole thing is designed to appeal to the PL not to dock them more points this season (or they will enter administration), but even if they stay up it feels like a stay of execution. They will need a massive cash injection just to get the stadium finished and avoid piling up more debt again next season.

They are obviously going to try everything to not have points taken off them but that is completely unfair to other teams around them.


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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11855 on: March 31, 2024, 07:53:20 pm »
The true horror on this twitter feed. Fucking hell, the numbers are mind boggling. They are likely fucked for next season as well.
https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1774498790780596644
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11856 on: March 31, 2024, 08:12:47 pm »
Tis incredibly bad according to their own accounts. Just a brief scan, but a few things stand out (though those with more accountancy skills than I will obviously pick thjese apart far more accurrately).

1. They made a loss of £40m before player trading, and £80+m after player trading. So, not only did they not attempt to cut losses, they actually spent approx £30m on transfers (heh, Beto) to make their situation even worse. They can complain all they like about losses elsewhere, but spending money on transfers while under scrutiny from last year's losses is just hubris.
2. They haven't acquired funding for the next stage of the new stadium.
3. They got loans, but they were contingent on PL status, if they go down they are wiped out.
4. To stay a going concern for the next 12 months will require a cash injection from the current majority shareholder (Moshiri) or the new one (777). In other words, not only are they scootered if relegated, they are scootered if the new owner doesnm't come in.
4. The biggest losses were commercial, and it's presented as a morality decision to end Russian sponsorship (it wasn't, it was a directive), but I thought that sponsorship was a one off payment for the stadium sponsorship, i.e. it was due to run out this year anyway.

The cynic in me says the whole thing is designed to appeal to the PL not to dock them more points this season (or they will enter administration), but even if they stay up it feels like a stay of execution. They will need a massive cash injection just to get the stadium finished and avoid piling up more debt again next season.


Beto was signed in August so not on the books for this set of accounts

This is the shite they signed last season, increased amortisation by nearly 25%

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Including wages their player costs are £235m a season and Beto & Chermiti's fees will add around £7m to the amortisation on this season's accounts, fucking scandalous on their revenue :lmao
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11857 on: March 31, 2024, 08:13:32 pm »
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« Reply #11858 on: March 31, 2024, 08:23:47 pm »
Beto was signed in August so not on the books for this set of accounts

This is the shite they signed last season, increased amortisation by nearly 25%

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They also signed Tarkowski on big wages on a free and Coady with a 7 figure loan fee and wages.

Not the best use of cash but these signings kept them up ultimately at Leicester's expense (who didn't spend that summer).

The corrupt PL should have had them on a transfer ban.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11859 on: March 31, 2024, 08:30:01 pm »
Beto was signed in August so not on the books for this set of accounts

This is the shite they signed last season, increased amortisation by nearly 25%

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Including wages their player costs are £235m a season and Beto & Chermiti's fees will add around £7m to the amortisation on this season's accounts, fucking scandalous on their revenue :lmao
That's right, forgot that, but they are still paying for Beto etc. which is part of the massive losses. I am agog at how they have racked up these losses (millions on director salaries, managerial pay off etc.)

The worst bit is that there are some suggesting that they have already accounted for the interest losses for stadum loans even BEFORE the £80m+ losses, so they won't be using that excuse to avoid breaching PSR. In fact, not only are they likely in breach of PSR, they will be in breach again next year unless there is some massive windfall from somewhere. I think these are the worst set of accounts they have posted yet.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11860 on: March 31, 2024, 08:30:43 pm »
Player wages, from their own accounts, are 92% of turnover (up from 90%).

So what. They should be allowed to spend what they want. That is the GOT mantra. How are they supposed to compete with the SKY 6 without spending money they don't have?
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11861 on: March 31, 2024, 08:33:00 pm »
Trust them to blame the war... again.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11862 on: March 31, 2024, 08:34:08 pm »
That's right, forgot that, but they are still paying for Beto etc. which is part of the massive losses. I am agog at how they have racked up these losses (millions on director salaries, managerial pay off etc.)

The worst bit is that there are some suggesting that they have already accounted for the interest losses for stadum loans even BEFORE the £80m+ losses, so they won't be using that excuse to avoid breaching PSR. In fact, not only are they likely in breach of PSR, they will be in breach again next year unless there is some massive windfall from somewhere. I think these are the worst set of accounts they have posted yet.

Looks like it:

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The principal accounting policies are summarised below. They have all been applied consistently throughout the year and to the preceding year. The group has changed the policy for the treatment of interest on borrowings of capital developments, details of which are set out below. The directors have changed the accounting policy for interest costs on borrowings related to construction projects. Interest on borrowings incurred for the purpose of construction projects is recognised as part of the cost of the asset under construction. The directors have made this change because they believe it better reflects the total cost of construction, and is so considered to be more relevant. Prior to this change in policy the interest was expensed.

The above states the interest in respect of the stadium was going through their profit and loss account. PSR rules would have added that back. Now the interest in respect of the stadium is all going through balance sheet, so there's nothing to add back for the stadium. There'll be other adjustments but can't see them  being significant.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11863 on: March 31, 2024, 08:38:05 pm »
If I was an Everton fan I'd be more concerned about the way these numbers have been presented rather than the numbers themselves. Either the board is totally delusional or they believe everyone else is stupid enough to believe their bullshit. The board are presenting these numbers as an improvement and indication of a brighter tomorrow. Madness.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11864 on: March 31, 2024, 08:38:19 pm »
These are proper fucked aren't they, absolutely tremendous stuff

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« Reply #11865 on: March 31, 2024, 08:41:30 pm »
Looks like it:

The above states the interest in respect of the stadium was going through their profit and loss account. PSR rules would have added that back. Now the interest in respect of the stadium is all going through balance sheet, so there's nothing to add back for the stadium. There'll be other adjustments but can't see them  being significant.
That's what GOT is reporting. They are in full on panic mode like I have never seen before. Still think PL will only give them a 6 point deduction and reduce it to four on appeal. to be honest people are fixating on relegation too much, at this point they are in danger of administration, if not liquidation. Even presuming Moshiri writes off the money he invested (and why would he do that?) they still have something like £390m in loans beside that. They won't get into the new stadium to likely 2026 (presuming they can find money for it) and they would need gate receipts to quintiple before it would even make it worthwhile.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11866 on: March 31, 2024, 08:55:44 pm »
So another points deduction coming after this one

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11867 on: March 31, 2024, 09:12:16 pm »
That's what GOT is reporting. They are in full on panic mode like I have never seen before. Still think PL will only give them a 6 point deduction and reduce it to four on appeal. to be honest people are fixating on relegation too much, at this point they are in danger of administration, if not liquidation. Even presuming Moshiri writes off the money he invested (and why would he do that?) they still have something like £390m in loans beside that. They won't get into the new stadium to likely 2026 (presuming they can find money for it) and they would need gate receipts to quintiple before it would even make it worthwhile.

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« Reply #11869 on: March 31, 2024, 09:29:01 pm »
Trust them to blame the war... again.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11870 on: March 31, 2024, 09:33:47 pm »
Player wages, from their own accounts, are 92% of turnover (up from 90%).

Exactly. They need to get that down to around 85% at the very least, and they can only do it by shifting their big earners. With most of their players essentially crap and on good money, even if they sell their very best players like Pickford (lol) they won't be able to afford to replace them!
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11871 on: March 31, 2024, 09:44:06 pm »
So another points deduction coming after this one

And if the PL have any sense, slapping a transfer ban on Everton and telling them outgoing players only.

They are worth less than their debt. If not for 777 they would already be in administration. Soon they'll be whining at the PL, "You shouldn't have let us spend all that money we didn't have on players we couldn't afford - but you had no right to stop us spending all that money we didn't have on players we couldn't afford!"
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« Reply #11872 on: March 31, 2024, 10:22:28 pm »
Exactly. They need to get that down to around 85% at the very least, and they can only do it by shifting their big earners. With most of their players essentially crap and on good money, even if they sell their very best players like Pickford (lol) they won't be able to afford to replace them!

They have 8 players either out of contract or returning to their parent club in the summer, they pretty much need to not replace any of them and hope the saved wages allows them to cover some of their other costs.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11873 on: March 31, 2024, 10:25:47 pm »
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« Reply #11874 on: March 31, 2024, 10:30:33 pm »
If Madison had scored, Leicester would have stayed up, and he wouldn't have gone to Spurs for bigger money.  He missed on purpose.
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« Reply #11875 on: March 31, 2024, 10:33:29 pm »
Why do their excuses always feel 2-3 seasons out of date?
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« Reply #11876 on: March 31, 2024, 10:34:02 pm »
Is it our fault yet?

Rafa is getting some blame if that counts.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11877 on: March 31, 2024, 10:35:19 pm »
From G.O.T
"We should put Dyche on gardening leave" .

 "It'll be full of weeds mate'"
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11878 on: March 31, 2024, 10:36:53 pm »
The tribute to Kenwright is incredible. God Bless the Red who did it.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #11879 on: March 31, 2024, 10:40:30 pm »
YE2019 -£111.8m
YE2020 -£139.8m
YE2021 -£120.9m
YE2022 -£44.7m
YE2023 -£89m

TOTAL -£506.2m
Beatings will continue until morale improves...