Topic: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here

[caronia]

I'd rather he came out and say it was a totally unexceptable performance. Hes protected those set of players time and time again this season and its not worked. They keep on letting him down.

Some on here are already saying he's lost the dressing room, well that would be one  guaranteed sure fire way of losing it, which would then precipitate JW Henry stepping in and removing Kenny. Is that what you want?

[rusty-la]

Some on here are already saying he's lost the dressing room, well that would be one  guaranteed sure fire way of losing it, which would then precipitate JW Henry stepping in and removing Kenny. Is that what you want?

What?

Was that just a load of made up shite from you?

Or is that just your opinion?

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

People on RAWK are saying is the new TRUTH.

What a crock of shite. 

[vivabobbygraham]

Doffs cap to VBG.

We looked knackered today, we looked knackered at the end of each half on Wednesday.  That's not an excuse it is a statement of fact that should have been obvious to anyone who saw the games.

That does not, of course, absolve the management team of blame.  After all it is their job to ensure that the players get through the season and are in the correct condition for each game.

Honoured VDM. The season is far from over with big games still to come. Whatever happens in the League Kenny has to keep this squad together and focused for the job in hand namely winning the FA Cup. You can't turn it on like a tap. Therefore to crucify the players in public now will do no good, no good at all.

We are knackered, players and fans, it's been a roller coaster of a season. But there is still the ultimate prize in knock out football to play for. To do that we have to stay up for every game, every single one.

[Jocko]

Unbelievable that people ae talking about getting rid of Kenny.  Once again we dominate a game in terms of possession and chances created and lose.  What do you expect him to do, put his bloody boots on?

There's no way we dominated the game. We got passed off the park. I saw it with my own eyes. We were dreadful today and the truth is bar Man City at home in the Cup semi and Arsenal we've been terrible for months.

[lfcmaster]

if players were tired why did we play them today

i have no problems if players were tired but why didnt we rotate the squad more ?

[helmboy_nige]

You do feel he's trying to protect the players right now by playing a softer approach in interviews.  I guess what I don't understand is how the players could be so tired given that this has been a quieter than normal season.  I know we've had some domestic cup runs, but it's not the same as playing 10-20 euro games around the continent.

Regardless of how upset everyone is, we should stick with the manager.  He needs to be given time, just like any manager who has come in to rebuild our side.

[Live in the Now]

He's done the right thing in my opinion. Giving the players a hiding in public would do more harm than good at this point. What exactly is that going to accomplish? If we aren't playing well because players are bereft of confidence (which is the largest problem in my opinion), going to the horrible press and lashing out at them surely won't instill any in them.

We still have a cup to go win.

[Jocko]

Kenny stepping aside at the end of THIS season would be awful for the club. The team is not stabilized yet, and we don't really know the full potential of all the new players that we have brought in over the last 14 months. Our manager deserves at least another year.

Kenny Dalglish is a god like figure for me. He has been for most if my life. But it's not working and his reputation is protecting him. Results are not good and there has to be questioning if the transfer policy. Anyone else with these results is gone and we all know that.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

if players were tired why did we play them today

i have no problems if players were tired but why didnt we rotate the squad more ?

Hopefully Kenny will have learnt a lesson in the last two games.  It is a squad game now and he probably needs to rotate more. 

Then people will crucify him for keeping changing his team of course

[vivabobbygraham]

There's no way we dominated the game. We got passed off the park. I saw it with my own eyes. We were dreadful today and the truth is bar Man City at home in the Cup semi and Arsenal we've been terrible for months.

Everton, first half on Wednesady, second half Stoke weren't bad. How many months are you talking about?

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Kenny Dalglish is a god like figure for me. He has been for most if my life. But it's not working and his reputation is protecting him. Results are not good and there has to be questioning if the transfer policy. Anyone else with these results is gone and we all know that.

That's not true.  Not after one season.  Not at this club.

[Disintegration]

Kenny Dalglish is a god like figure for me. He has been for most if my life. But it's not working and his reputation is protecting him. Results are not good and there has to be questioning if the transfer policy. Anyone else with these results is gone and we all know that.

Can't argue with that. The worrying thing for me is that this looks more like the desperate cluelessness of Hodgson or Houllier's final season than the distinct underachievement of Rafa's final term, and managers rarely come back from that, because there's a gravitas and authority that doesn't quite return.

Kenny needs to turn things around immediately in the league, we need an outstanding winning run. If it's this sort of squalid stuff until the end of the season, there's nothing to suggest it can possibly be otherwise next year, and the owners quite rightly won't tolerate dropping 800k for each place we lose in the league table.

[Mutton Geoff]

Kenny Dalglish is a god like figure for me. He has been for most if my life. But it's not working and his reputation is protecting him. Results are not good and there has to be questioning if the transfer policy. Anyone else with these results is gone and we all know that.

Take it you are to young for Shanks the lean years then?

[Blade]

Kenny Dalglish is a god like figure for me. He has been for most if my life. But it's not working and his reputation is protecting him. Results are not good and there has to be questioning if the transfer policy. Anyone else with these results is gone and we all know that.

Getting rid of Kenny at the end of this season would be even worse than getting rid of Rafa at the end of 2009/10 season. It would send the wrong message about our club to every respectable manger in the world. Kenny must be given the funds to complete this LFC squad over the summer, and have a proper league season next year, without too much attention to the Europa League and the domestic cups, where he can develop younger players. If he manages to get us into the top 4, the investment would be justified. If he fails to do so, he will probably be gone.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Everton, first half on Wednesady, second half Stoke weren't bad. How many months are you talking about?

We were great against Arsenal too.  The problem is, in the players heads, the league season finished with that cruel defeat.  Todays game was end of season nothing to play for fodder.  Which as you mentioned before needs to be addressed because if it continues we will be unable to simply turn it on for the cup games

[Jocko]

That's not true.  Not after one season.  Not at this club.

Rubbish it is true in fact someone of recent vintage got half a season.  Roy Evans a long servant got four years at least a season too long. Souness got too long. Sentiment has done for this club. Kenny isn't performing, transfers are questionable at best.

[Jocko]

Everton, first half on Wednesady, second half Stoke weren't bad. How many months are you talking about?

Stoke was awful go back and watch it. We were drawn down ti their level. Everton fair enough beyond that I'm struggling to remember. I've blanked out Swansea, Blackburn, Norwich,

[Red Scouse]

Rubbish it is true in fact someone of recent vintage got half a season.  Roy Evans a long servant got four years at least a season too long. Souness got too long. Sentiment has done for this club. Kenny isn't performing, transfers are questionable at best.

No, that is rubbish. We've played some excellent football for the majority of the season. Recent results and performances have been poor but given all the shit we have had to contend with off the pitch I'm not surprised - there has to be a payback somewhere along the line.

[Mutton Geoff]

Rubbish it is true in fact someone of recent vintage got half a season.  Roy Evans a long servant got four years at least a season too long. Souness got too long. Sentiment has done for this club. Kenny isn't performing, transfers are questionable at best.

In an evening of questionable posters you are the best so far, another comparison to Roy, good nice one, so what are you Jocko a bitter or a manc?

[Jocko]

Take it you are to young for Shanks the lean years then?

Actually no unfortunately

[Blade]

Rubbish it is true in fact someone of recent vintage got half a season.  Roy Evans a long servant got four years at least a season too long. Souness got too long. Sentiment has done for this club. Kenny isn't performing, transfers are questionable at best.

Well, that definitely isn't true. I agree that we have been inconsistent as hell, but we've had many outstanding performances over the past 14 months. Kenny has been doing reasonably well so far. The real question is, can he do exceptionally well? I don't think that we could have that answer without another season.

[Mutton Geoff]

Actually no unfortunately

what was unfortunate about it ?

We stood by the manager and together and got through it to better times again! That is what this club was built on surely the holy trinity!

[vivabobbygraham]

Rubbish it is true in fact someone of recent vintage got half a season.  Roy Evans a long servant got four years at least a season too long. Souness got too long. Sentiment has done for this club. Kenny isn't performing, transfers are questionable at best.

You have yet to come up with any suggestions as to the alternative to Kenny. You seem a bit knee jerk and short sighted. A new manager...and then what? A new squad, new back room staff? New academy staff? What?

Do you not concede Kenny and his staff need more time to finish what they have started? There have been many good decisions made in the transfer market too. And there is a trophy in the cabinet, or is that too Mickey Mouse for you?

[Jocko]

In an evening of questionable posters you are the best so far, another comparison to Roy, good nice one, so what are you Jocko a bitter or a manc?

Read the thread and don't quote selectively. Sentiment is insidious, it rots performance in any organisation. We've allowed it to dominate for far too long.

Yes I'm bitter. Bitter that the club is accepting mediocrity.

[Jocko]

what was unfortunate about it ?

We stood by the manager and together and got through it to better times again! That is what this club was built on surely the holy trinity!

That I'm old enough to remember, that's what's unfortunate.

[jaffod]

Maybe the players were tired, maybe not. He's the manager so he would know better than us. I just find it a bit strange when we played Stoke last Sunday and since then in exactly the same number of days they have been down to London like us and nearly taken three points off Spurs whilst we were losing to a team in the bottom three. Then today they led at home to Man City before being pegged back again for a draw, while we were losing at home to another side in the bottom three. This from a side who have a smaller squad than ours and who have already played more games than we have including European travel AND as a side who's whole approach is based upon work rate. Maybe their players are just fitter than ours but the "tiredness" thing is a bit hard to swallow in comparison.

Made more or less the same point in the boozer after the game today.

Personally I don't think it has anything to do with tiredness, more a lack of backbone, conviction and desire.
 Stoke have had fuck all left to play for since last Sunday but have come out and played with great spirit against 2 difficult opponents.
 We've shown apathy and a lack of conviction in equal measure.
Depressing and nowhere near fucking good enough.

[Solomon Grundy]

Some on here are already saying he's lost the dressing room, well that would be one  guaranteed sure fire way of losing it, which would then precipitate JW Henry stepping in and removing Kenny. Is that what you want?

What the hell are you goin on about? Were are people getting this 'kenny has lost the dressing room' shite from?

[kvarmeismydad]

The problem is quite simple really. The club banked on signing a lot of new first team players who were british or were premier league players to create a solid team with premier league experience. I think they thought they would settle better that way, to Liverpool life, to the game here and would play with that English swashbuckling so called passion.

The truth is it hasn't worked. I think for a start you can flip that decision making process and look at it from an opposing teams point of view. If we signed a foreign winger instead of Downing, for that fee, surely they would have been a well known name, or at least a name where people know they might be a decent talent. It sounds daft, but does Luke Young fear playing against Downing? Would he be more on the backfoot, fearing the unknown, a player who he knows little of, running at him. Even Stirling, who is an unknown quantity, might be a bit more fearful to play against. Who want's a 17 year old small kid turning you inside out.

Then there is Adam. Everyone now knows him. They know he's trying to prove himself. What is there to fear.

The whole admission that the club were looking for British players or players with premier league experience has really proved that they made an error in this decision. Suarez has hit the ground running since joining, and only Enrique has done a good job using this selection process. Coates has looked a good purchase. We do need British representation in the team, but maybe we shouldn't have made this the overriding factor in selecting new players.

It is probably something that won't be repeated as eagerly again in future windows, and I think we should let the guys at the club have another go at building the team up with more quality, hopefully in the attacking department, as in a winger and a striker, and a bit more quality in the middle of the park. Add to that the return of Lucas, a Spearing with another half a season under his belt, a Stirling ready to burst onto the scene, a Coates ready to rumble, and I think we'll learn a hell of a lot from this season, and give it a real go next season.
Kenny is having a bad premier league season, but he did well last year, has won a trophy a couple of

[Jocko]

You have yet to come up with any suggestions as to the alternative to Kenny. You seem a bit knee jerk and short sighted. A new manager...and then what? A new squad, new back room staff? New academy staff? What?

Do you not concede Kenny and his staff need more time to finish what they have started? There have been many good decisions made in the transfer market too. And there is a trophy in the cabinet, or is that too Mickey Mouse for you?

You have yet to come up with any suggestions as to the alternative to Kenny. You seem a bit knee jerk and short sighted. A new manager...and then what? A new squad, new back room staff? New academy staff? What?

Do you not concede Kenny and his staff need more time to finish what they have started? There have been many good decisions made in the transfer market too. And there is a trophy in the cabinet, or is that too Mickey Mouse for you?

Yeah and new strips, different colour bog roll in the shitters.

Just because the first team coaching staff move on doesn't mean you change everything.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Rubbish it is true in fact someone of recent vintage got half a season.  Roy Evans a long servant got four years at least a season too long. Souness got too long. Sentiment has done for this club. Kenny isn't performing, transfers are questionable at best.

So your argument that we don't give managers time is that we have given managers too long.  Logic not your strong suit I take it.

And as for the Hodgson reference....   hahahahhaha

[rusty-la]

Rubbish it is true in fact someone of recent vintage got half a season.  Roy Evans a long servant got four years at least a season too long. Souness got too long. Sentiment has done for this club. Kenny isn't performing, transfers are questionable at best.

Are you for real?.

Ok, who's the next manager then?

I can guess your answer, but go on, surprise me?

[Jocko]

So your argument that we don't give managers time is that we have given managers too long.  Logic not your strong suit I take it.

And as for the Hodgson reference....   hahahahhaha

No my argument all along through this thread is we give in to sentiment and give people too long. I've yet to argue for more time for Kenny, that was yourself. My logic is fine, it seems your own is not.

Sacking Roy was absolutely the right thing to do, and objectively if this form continues then there is only one very difficult decision to take.

[scared_person]

I completely understand why Kenny isn't keen on slating his players in front of the press, but I really hope he has laid into those players in the dressing room.

It isn't acceptable for a Liverpool team to take such a 'can't be arsed' attitude onto the Anfield pitch.

[Jocko]

Are you for real?.

Ok, who's the next manager then?

I can guess your answer, but go on, surprise me?

Luis van gaal

[Higgins79]

the players may be tired but i dont think it sends a good message to anyone that just as we get to the business end we're too tired to see it through. carra and gerrard haven't played much football recently, downing and henderson have been in and out, suarez had a nice mid-season rest, flanno hasn't played. only really enrique and skrtel could claim to be physically knackered. it has been a mentally draining season though and perhaps that is having a detrimental effect.

i think it is more the case that as some have suggested, we have just mentally switched off to the league ever since van persie won the game a few weeks ago. the attitude is now, its ok we've still got the fa cup. how much pressure is now riding on that game?!

my concern with regard to kennys pressers is this recurring theme of bad luck. i agree we had a spell of bad luck early in the season when we were hitting the post 3 times a match, but that was a long time ago. continuoulsy blaming bad luck suggests a lack of answers or worse a head in the sand attitude. in our last two games we gifted goals through our own poor play and atittude, nothing to do with luck. we weren't unlucky today, we were deservedly beaten.

over a long period of time such as a season you create your own luck, good teams tend to get more good fortune than bad.

i'm definately not calling for kenny to go, i think he can sort this out, but i am concerned by his stock answer of bad luck when things dont go well. in general we're a support that knows its football, and we know that today as with other games since January, we haven't been unlucky, just not good enough.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

No my argument all along through this thread is we give in to sentiment and give people too long. I've yet to argue for more time for Kenny, that was yourself. My logic is fine, it seems your own is not.

Sacking Roy was absolutely the right thing to do, and objectively if this form continues then there is only one very difficult decision to take.

Your opening post was that "if it was anyone else he would be gone" you then went on to list how we backed managers and gave them time.  Even those who were not Liverpool legends. 

Hardly compelling is it.  This club has a proud history of giving managers time and long may it continue

[CallumLFC]

Pains me to say it but that was in the Houllier book of excuses that today.

Tiredness is the cause to losing to Wigan at home? A team that has won 1 out of the 16. Tiredness should be just a small handicap.

[vivabobbygraham]

Luis van gaal

And how long do we give him?

[Danny_]

I'd rather he came out and say it was a totally unexceptable performance. Hes protected those set of players time and time again this season and its not worked. They keep on letting him down.

Blah, blah, blah - you don't think he doesn't know that?  I hate some of our fans these days