Topic: General Thread for Football Played by Women *

[stockdam]

Been that way for decades - and the quality is improving all the time too. If I had to choose between one of the other, it's such a very simple choice (one I made on the coaching front 20 years ago...)

Yes the quality of the woman's game has improved quickly and is much better to watch than it was. The lack of blatant cheating is refreshing and that makes the game much easier to referee. I guess this will change as players realise that they can get advantages by diving etc. but, for now, it's refreshing to watch players trying to play the game without resorting to cheating.

[Elzar]

Just seen there is a thread for the world cup already started by Kellan, maybe worth putting the TV rights discussion in there so everyone can see see when resolved and who has rights.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=353804.msg18746718#msg18746718

[24/7]

Just seen there is a thread for the world cup already started by Kellan, maybe worth putting the TV rights discussion in there so everyone can see see when resolved and who has rights.

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=353804.msg18746718#msg18746718

Well, she's a mod, so she can split and move

Great idea, Elz...

[Fromola]

The womans game is the closest thing to football in the world at the moment

Look at their games - no diving, no crying, no cheating, no whining, no knobhead fans - just honest players playing football with a bit of self-respect and dignity.

Watching the 'mens' game at the moment it's embarrasing. If shithouses like that played footy when I was a kid or growing up, they'd have the fucking shite knocked out of them after the game.

The crowds are a lot more civilised and family friendly, although you lose the atmosphere a bit. T


The players are nowhere near as bad but there was plenty of diving and cheating at the Euros games I watched.

You're still watching the likes of Man City as well.

[Terry de Niro]

The crowds are a lot more civilised and family friendly, although you lose the atmosphere a bit. T


The players are nowhere near as bad but there was plenty of diving and cheating at the Euros games I watched.

You're still watching the likes of Man City as well.

Was at the Liverpool v Man U women's game at Prenton Park a few weeks ago and "If you all hate scousers" and "sign on" bollocks got a hearing a good few times. 

[kellan]

Yes the quality of the woman's game has improved quickly and is much better to watch than it was. The lack of blatant cheating is refreshing and that makes the game much easier to referee. I guess this will change as players realise that they can get advantages by diving etc. but, for now, it's refreshing to watch players trying to play the game without resorting to cheating.

I can think of a handful of players who give cheating a damn good go. But yes, generally speaking, there is far less simulation. Although, it's only fair to point out how one of the reasons for this is rooted in the attitudes of the match officials and how the threshold for a foul (and such like) often feels so much higher. A player can simulate to her heart's content but the whistle will not be blown half as much as it is in the men's game. Which is not me saying only that the officials in the men's game blow the whistle too easily (though they certainly do), it's more that officials in the women's game often don't deem a tackle to have been a foul unless a player's leg has been left in two pieces.

I should mention one other thing while on this subject of simulation and officiating practices and how they can in fact be very hardline if they feel like it. Just for the sake of balance. Earlier this season, a player was handed a two-match ban after being found guilty of 'deception of a match official'. You'll see from the title of the below clip that it's a question of whether the ref was right for sending off Toone for lashing out after she tangled with Summanen. The bigger debate ended up being whether the FA were right to ban Summanen (in addition to overturning Toone's red) because she simulated being struck in the face by Toone when alternate angles showed the shove was to the shoulder/chest. The answer is both yes and no. Yes because it's cheating. No because when do you ever see the FA do this kind of thing in the men's game? I have no problem with the sport's governing bodies wanting to stamp out simulation in the women's game before it ever really takes hold, but at the same time there needs to be concerted effort to rid the men's game of it otherwise football is holding female players to a higher standard.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/BufbPN_QBSs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/BufbPN_QBSs</a>

[The G in Gerrard]

See Russo has left Mancs to join Arsenal.

[kellan]

See Russo has left Mancs to join Arsenal.

It's United's own fault really. They spent 18 months trying to get her to agree to a new contract with terms that no female player in her right mind would sign. Even if they had offered her the wages she wanted from the very beginning she still would have rightly said no to six years. Even the four years that were finally thrown at her as a compromise was too long. Three or less will remain the sensible option from a player's point of view for as long as the market where salary is concerned continues to develop. The going rate today will be outdated in four years time. It will be a pittance compared to the rate six years from now. No player wants to be locked in to 2023 standards for too long. By the time United realised this, on top of also realising they would actually have to offer her 2023's rate in 2023, her agent was already putting feelers out for any clubs that would make the contract process straightforward.

She herself will be getting dogs abuse, of course. The only winner today will be Ona Batlle, who has also left United after not signing a new contract but who, thanks to the Russo news, won't be noticed sneaking out the door herself.

[oojason]

'‘He saw the injustice’: how Arthur Hobbs fought for women’s football':-

An under-16 tournament in Kent will celebrate ‘fearless’ man who co-founded the Women’s FA and fought to end playing ban

www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/05/how-arthur-hobbs-fought-for-womens-football-moving-goalposts





a snippet...


'Many problems with women’s football development come from the notion that the sport was, for decades, considered incompatible with girls and women. In the UK, the Football Association banned women from any affiliated grounds in 1921, stating that the game was “quite unsuitable for females”. Other federations then followed with similar claims, and women’s football was affected in countries such as France, Spain, Germany, Nigeria and Brazil.

Younger generations of players can learn a lot from those who fought for the right to play, and learning this history is important if we are to avoid repeating it. In the town of Deal, Kent on Saturday, a tournament will honour the founder of the Women’s Football Association. Some 270 girls in under-16 teams will play in the first Arthur Henry Hobbs tournament at the Goodwin Academy.

“It’s not only about playing the game but also learning that what they are doing is, in fact, revolutionary,” Hobbs’s daughter, Jill Martin, tells Moving the Goalposts. “Although [my father] was determined, he was a lovely, kind and generous man. But he was also fearless of people, of hierarchy. No matter who they were, or what title they had, he was determined to get that ban lifted. And his determination made that come true.”

The Guardian’s own Suzanne Wrack, in her book A Woman’s Game: The Rise, Fall, and Rise Again of Women’s Football, writes that teams continued to form throughout the 50 years of the ban. She says Hobbs teamed up with Patricia Gregory to create the Women’s FA, and Gregory became the WFA’s secretary in 1972. Gregory and her team, White Ribbon, wrote to the FA asking to join a league in 1967, only to be informed of the ban. They then travelled the country playing against men’s youth teams and were invited to join Hobbs’s tournament in Kent.'



Only two weeks until the 2023 Womens' World Cup; Kellan's superb thread for it: www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=353804.0

[oojason]

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You can't have a thread 'for football played by women' without featuring one of the very best players to ever play the women's game...



Marta







Marta wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marta_(footballer)

Marta - at SoccerWay: https://uk.soccerway.com/players/marta-da-silva/6006/

Marta - at Brittanica: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Marta










'Why Marta is the GREATEST icon of women’s football':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/usoy4-Kyz4A" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/usoy4-Kyz4A</a>



'Marta ● Magic Skills and Tricks':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/8R1y2fgUcic" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/8R1y2fgUcic</a>



'MARTA 👑 Lengendary Queen's Goals and Skills':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/bziO1a4DTV8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/bziO1a4DTV8</a>



'Marta is the GOAT of women football!':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/npr3H96U-A0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/npr3H96U-A0</a>



'Marta Vieira da Silva : The Queen':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/YkICghXzsg4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/YkICghXzsg4</a>



'Marta Vieira da Silva ● The Tigress of Brazil':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/ED2QqPg3csk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/ED2QqPg3csk</a>



'Marta Viera Da Silva #10 • The Queen of Soccer':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/8Cex6DKCchU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/8Cex6DKCchU</a>



'Marta Vieira ● The Most Intelligent & Humiliating Skills':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/XYbeKnOUbRs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/XYbeKnOUbRs</a>



'MEJORES REGATES MARTA VIEIRA DA SILVA * FÚTBOL FEMENINO *':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/tb0EvSMP6tc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/tb0EvSMP6tc</a>



'Marta Vieira da Silva: 100 Goals in 41 Minutes':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/_SAM5_VJOHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/_SAM5_VJOHc</a>



'Marta | FIFA Women's World Cup Goals':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/253r6FlLedk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/253r6FlLedk</a>

^ or click here to watch: www.youtube.com/v/253r6FlLedk



'Marta - all goals at the Olympics':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/hPjUDqP_IUs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/hPjUDqP_IUs</a>



'Marta - TOP 10 GOALS EVER':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/EmDOm-DdRwI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/EmDOm-DdRwI</a>



'A Woman's Game: Marta Vieira da Silva l AJ Shorts':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/oybWZue4ARU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/oybWZue4ARU</a>



'Marta: inspiring girls to be great':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/K1sOdMow5Xs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/K1sOdMow5Xs</a>



'Brazil’s Marta broke down barriers to become one of football’s best players':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/i7hJgYpqFRM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/i7hJgYpqFRM</a>



'Marta's last World Cup? Brazil's women's football's struggle for recognition':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/UuT7It-DJ2k" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/UuT7It-DJ2k</a>





'Marta's passionate post-game speech will give you chills ❤️🇧🇷' (on the pitch after the 2023 Womens' World Cup defeat of Brazil by Jamaica):-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/nZm4JrKD3yI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/nZm4JrKD3yI</a>

^ "For them, it's just the beginning. For me, it's the end of the line now. Thank you."

and then Marta gives respect, encouragement, and praise to Jamaica's Bunny Shaw - https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1686738360390541312 (35 second video)



'Marta would have been one of the first women’s footballers who would have been known by the casual fan. She made her World Cup debut in 2003 and today 20 years later, having played in 6 World Cups, she has retired. A true icon. Her passion and love for football has inspired many':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/_tB3Lq36H8w" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/_tB3Lq36H8w</a>

backup links: https://twitter.com/HerSportDotIE/status/1686846057509011456 or www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsrFdg7lWQ

^ a 1+ minute video of Marta in the post-match press conference after her last World Cup match; it is a must-watch covering just how far the women's game has come..





'How Brazil completely failed Marta, one of soccer's greatest players ever' (from 2020):-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/VjonPKF0-w4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/VjonPKF0-w4</a>















A few articles on Marta...


Meet Marta - Record breaking Brazilian Footballer: https://artsandculture.google.com/story/meet-marta-the-record-breaking-brazilian-football-player/UAWxrX7MR4XIfg

Marta - The Queen of Football: www.goal.com/story/queen-of-football-marta/index.html

Queen Marta // The history of the number one of football: http://chico-medeiros.com/project/marta

Marta, Brazil's brilliant football nomad (2016): www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/03/marta-brazils-brilliant-football-nomad

Marta Vieira Da Silva: The Brazilian National Team Great (2022): https://historyofsoccer.info/marta-vieira-da-silva

Women’s World Cup game-changing moments No 1: Marta 2007: www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/11/womens-world-cup-game-changing-moments-no-1-marta-in-2007

Women's World Cup: Brazil forward Marta breaks men's and women's tournament goal record (2019): www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48685664

Marta, the football's queen: https://onefootball.com/en/video/marta-the-footballs-queen-37835959

Marta scored more World Cup goals than any woman or man. Now she hopes to win: www.npr.org/2023/07/21/1188256384/marta-brazil-women-soccer-fifa-world-cup

Marta announces retirement, 2023 World Cup to be her last: www.firstpost.com/sports/football-news/brazil-marta-announces-retirement-fifa-women-world-cup-12823122.html

Marta: Is Brazil legend's incredible career coming to an end? (2023 post-World Cup exit): www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66385925

Marta reflects on her place in women's soccer: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/soccer/2023/08/01/womens-world-cup-brazil-marta/41fa16ea-3048-11ee-85dd-5c3c97d6acda_story.html

Marta's blueprint for the future of women's football: www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/21/exclusive-interview-martas-blueprint-future-womens-football/

How Brazil’s all-time record goalscorer became the greatest of all time and an icon’: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/01/sport/marta-brazil-womens-world-cup-spt-intl/index.html

Humble Kingdom of the World's Best Woman Player: www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/queen-marta-the-humble-kingdom-of-the-world-s-best-woman-soccer-player-a-769897.html

‘An inspiration’: How Marta’s engagement gave Brazilian LGBT community strength in fight against homophobia: https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/marta-engagement-brazil-lgbt-community-homophobia-womens-football-832299

How Marta inspired a revolution on and off the pitch: https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/07/17/how-marta-inspired-a-revolution-in-womens-football-both-on-and-off-the-pitch



Marta's social media pages - https://twitter.com/martavieiras10 : www.instagram.com/martavsilva10 : www.youtube.com/@marta10/videos : www.facebook.com/martavsilva10

www.cbf.com.br/selecao-brasileira/noticias/selecao-feminina : https://twitter.com/SelecaoFeminina : www.instagram.com/selecaofemininadefutebol : www.youtube.com/@CBF/videos

Brazil women's national football team wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_women%27s_national_football_team : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marta_(footballer)

www.orlandocitysc.com/pride : https://twitter.com/ORLPride : www.nwslsoccer.com : www.youtube.com/@NWSLsoccer/videos : https://twitter.com/NWSL
 








^ images of Marta at the 6 World Cups she played in - 2003, 2007, 2011, 2015, 2019, and 2023. Marta remains the all-time World Cup record goalscorer.

[Bioluminescence]

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You can't have a thread 'for football played by women' without featuring one of the very best players to play the women's game...



Marta

Spoiler

Marta wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marta_(footballer)

Marta - at SoccerWay: https://uk.soccerway.com/players/marta-da-silva/6006/

Marta - at Brittanica: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Marta










'Why Marta is the GREATEST icon of women’s football':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/usoy4-Kyz4A" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/usoy4-Kyz4A</a>



'Marta ● Magic Skills and Tricks':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/8R1y2fgUcic" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/8R1y2fgUcic</a>



'MARTA 👑 Lengendary Queen's Goals and Skills':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/bziO1a4DTV8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/bziO1a4DTV8</a>



'Marta is the GOAT of women football!':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/npr3H96U-A0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/npr3H96U-A0</a>



'Marta Vieira da Silva : The Queen':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/YkICghXzsg4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/YkICghXzsg4</a>



'Marta Vieira da Silva ● The Tigress of Brazil':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/ED2QqPg3csk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/ED2QqPg3csk</a>



'Marta Viera Da Silva #10 • The Queen of Soccer':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/8Cex6DKCchU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/8Cex6DKCchU</a>



'Marta Vieira ● The Most Intelligent & Humiliating Skills':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/XYbeKnOUbRs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/XYbeKnOUbRs</a>



'MEJORES REGATES MARTA VIEIRA DA SILVA * FÚTBOL FEMENINO *':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/tb0EvSMP6tc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/tb0EvSMP6tc</a>



'Marta Vieira da Silva: 100 Goals in 41 Minutes':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/_SAM5_VJOHc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/_SAM5_VJOHc</a>



'Marta | FIFA Women's World Cup Goals':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/253r6FlLedk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/253r6FlLedk</a>

^ or click here to watch: www.youtube.com/v/253r6FlLedk



'Marta - all goals at the Olympics':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/hPjUDqP_IUs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/hPjUDqP_IUs</a>



'Marta - TOP 10 GOALS EVER':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/EmDOm-DdRwI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/EmDOm-DdRwI</a>



'A Woman's Game: Marta Vieira da Silva l AJ Shorts':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/oybWZue4ARU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/oybWZue4ARU</a>



'Marta: inspiring girls to be great':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/K1sOdMow5Xs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/K1sOdMow5Xs</a>



'Brazil’s Marta broke down barriers to become one of football’s best players':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/i7hJgYpqFRM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/i7hJgYpqFRM</a>



'Marta's last World Cup? Brazil's women's football's struggle for recognition':-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/UuT7It-DJ2k" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/UuT7It-DJ2k</a>



'Marta's passionate post-game speech will give you chills ❤️🇧🇷' (after the 2023 Womens' World Cup defeat of Brazil by Jamaica):-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/nZm4JrKD3yI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/nZm4JrKD3yI</a>

^ "For them, it's just the beginning. For me, it's the end of the line now. Thank you."

and then Marta gives respect, encouragement, and praise to Jamaica's Bunny Shaw - https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1686738360390541312 (35 second video)



'Marta would have been one of the first women’s footballers who would have been known by the casual fan. She made her World Cup debut in 2003 and today 20 years later, having played in 6 World Cups, she has retired. A true icon. Her passion and love for football has inspired many':-

https://twitter.com/HerSportDotIE/status/1686846057509011456 (a 1 minute video of Marta in the post-match press conference after her last World Cup match)





'How Brazil completely failed Marta, one of soccer's greatest players ever' (from 2020):-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/VjonPKF0-w4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/VjonPKF0-w4</a>















A few articles on Marta...


Meet Marta - Record breaking Brazilian Footballer: https://artsandculture.google.com/story/meet-marta-the-record-breaking-brazilian-football-player/UAWxrX7MR4XIfg

Marta - The Queen of Football: www.goal.com/story/queen-of-football-marta/index.html

Queen Marta // The history of the number one of football: http://chico-medeiros.com/project/marta

Marta, Brazil's brilliant football nomad (2016): www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/03/marta-brazils-brilliant-football-nomad

Marta Vieira Da Silva: The Brazilian National Team Great (2022): https://historyofsoccer.info/marta-vieira-da-silva

Women’s World Cup game-changing moments No 1: Marta 2007: www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/11/womens-world-cup-game-changing-moments-no-1-marta-in-2007

Women's World Cup: Brazil forward Marta breaks men's and women's tournament goal record (2019): www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48685664

Marta, the football's queen: https://onefootball.com/en/video/marta-the-footballs-queen-37835959

Marta scored more World Cup goals than any woman or man. Now she hopes to win: www.npr.org/2023/07/21/1188256384/marta-brazil-women-soccer-fifa-world-cup

Marta announces retirement, 2023 World Cup to be her last: www.firstpost.com/sports/football-news/brazil-marta-announces-retirement-fifa-women-world-cup-12823122.html

Marta: Is Brazil legend's incredible career coming to an end? (2023 post-World Cup exit): www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66385925

Marta reflects on her place in women's soccer: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/soccer/2023/08/01/womens-world-cup-brazil-marta/41fa16ea-3048-11ee-85dd-5c3c97d6acda_story.html

Marta's blueprint for the future of women's football: www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/05/21/exclusive-interview-martas-blueprint-future-womens-football/

How Brazil’s all-time record goalscorer became the greatest of all time and an icon’: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/01/sport/marta-brazil-womens-world-cup-spt-intl/index.html

Humble Kingdom of the World's Best Woman Player: www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/queen-marta-the-humble-kingdom-of-the-world-s-best-woman-soccer-player-a-769897.html

‘An inspiration’: How Marta’s engagement gave Brazilian LGBT community strength in fight against homophobia: https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/marta-engagement-brazil-lgbt-community-homophobia-womens-football-832299

How Marta inspired a revolution on and off the pitch: https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/07/17/how-marta-inspired-a-revolution-in-womens-football-both-on-and-off-the-pitch








^ images of Marta at the 6 World Cups she played in - 2003, 2007, 2011, 2015, 2019, and 2023. Marta remains the World Cup all-time record goalscorer.

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Phenomenal - lots to read and watch, thank you

On a happy note for me, Bristol City Women will be playing at Ashton Gate this season, which isn't too far from where I live, so I'll finally be able to attend some matches. I'm so chuffed about it.

[classycarra]

that handsy bald guy in the presentation definitely on the pills

didn't spot it at the time, but the Spanish FA official was kissing players on the lips and one of them expressed her discomfort on a live stream.

She later gave a clearly corporate-written statement, whitewashing the incident and suggesting it was natural. unpleasant to imagine that even on reaching the absolute pinnacle of her profession, Hermoso had to deal with this utterly creepy prick doing what he wants entirely unconcerned with the consequences because of the power differential. Deeply fucked up, the Spanish FA seems like a rotten institution.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/21/luis-rubiales-kiss-outrage-spanish-football-fa-president-womens-world-cup-final-spain-jenni-hermoso

[Bioluminescence]

didn't spot it at the time, but the Spanish FA official was kissing players on the lips and one of them expressed her discomfort on a live stream.

She later gave a clearly corporate-written statement, whitewashing the incident and suggesting it was natural. unpleasant to imagine that even on reaching the absolute pinnacle of her profession, Hermoso had to deal with this utterly creepy prick doing what he wants entirely unconcerned with the consequences because of the power differential. Deeply fucked up, the Spanish FA seems like a rotten institution.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/21/luis-rubiales-kiss-outrage-spanish-football-fa-president-womens-world-cup-final-spain-jenni-hermoso

I saw a photo of it on social media last night. It's sickening. Putellas has spoken up about issues in women's football more generally, and this has got to be part of the discussion. No one's boundaries should be ignored and dismissed like this, and no one should be silenced for making that point.

[Red Ol]

didn't spot it at the time, but the Spanish FA official was kissing players on the lips and one of them expressed her discomfort on a live stream.

She later gave a clearly corporate-written statement, whitewashing the incident and suggesting it was natural. unpleasant to imagine that even on reaching the absolute pinnacle of her profession, Hermoso had to deal with this utterly creepy prick doing what he wants entirely unconcerned with the consequences because of the power differential. Deeply fucked up, the Spanish FA seems like a rotten institution.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/21/luis-rubiales-kiss-outrage-spanish-football-fa-president-womens-world-cup-final-spain-jenni-hermoso

Just disgusting

[Red-Soldier]

didn't spot it at the time, but the Spanish FA official was kissing players on the lips and one of them expressed her discomfort on a live stream.

She later gave a clearly corporate-written statement, whitewashing the incident and suggesting it was natural. unpleasant to imagine that even on reaching the absolute pinnacle of her profession, Hermoso had to deal with this utterly creepy prick doing what he wants entirely unconcerned with the consequences because of the power differential. Deeply fucked up, the Spanish FA seems like a rotten institution.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/21/luis-rubiales-kiss-outrage-spanish-football-fa-president-womens-world-cup-final-spain-jenni-hermoso

Why don't we see FA reps kissing the winning mens teams, on the lips (shrugs)...

[oojason]

'Spanish FA boss who kissed player filmed making obscene gesture':-

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/luis-rubiales-video-hermoso-kiss-b2396594.html





'Luis Rubiales, the Spanish FA president at the centre of a storm following the Women’s World Cup final, has been caught making an obscene gesture during celebrations at full-time.

Rubiales has come under fire in the aftermath of Spain’s 1-0 win over England in Sydney for kissing Spanish player Jenni Hermoso on the lips on the presentation stage.

Asked about the moment, Hermoso intially said: “Eh... yeah, I did not enjoy that.”'


^ more in the linked article.






'Spanish football president’s kiss sparks outrage after Women’s World Cup final' (the same man as above):-

Luis Rubiales rejects suggestions kissing forward Jenni Hermoso on lips at post-match ceremony was inappropriate

www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/21/luis-rubiales-kiss-outrage-spanish-football-fa-president-womens-world-cup-final-spain-jenni-hermoso (with video)

[tubby]

Well he seems like a lovely chap.

[DonkeyWan]

Meh, storm in a  teacup, player herself has come out and says the whole thing is overblown, WASPs getting upset at displays of affection.

[Lad]

didn't spot it at the time, but the Spanish FA official was kissing players on the lips and one of them expressed her discomfort on a live stream.

She later gave a clearly corporate-written statement, whitewashing the incident and suggesting it was natural. unpleasant to imagine that even on reaching the absolute pinnacle of her profession, Hermoso had to deal with this utterly creepy prick doing what he wants entirely unconcerned with the consequences because of the power differential. Deeply fucked up, the Spanish FA seems like a rotten institution.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/21/luis-rubiales-kiss-outrage-spanish-football-fa-president-womens-world-cup-final-spain-jenni-hermoso

Me and the missus were watching. He gave every player a massive bear hug and lifted up quite a few of them while doing it. I missed the kiss on the lips one but it just looked so inappropriate and quite frankly pervy.

[classycarra]

Meh, storm in a  teacup, player herself has come out and says the whole thing is overblown, WASPs getting upset at displays of affection.

who to believe? donkeywan, or the woman who got kissed when she didnt want to. ah, you've convinced me!

Me and the missus were watching. He gave every player a massive bear hug and lifted up quite a few of them while doing it. I missed the kiss on the lips one but it just looked so inappropriate and quite frankly pervy.

yeah guys got real pervy creep vibes, the sort that you get heightened instincts to be cautious of if they're lurking near your group when out drinking

[kellan]

Luis Rubiales is the guy who sided with Vilda and left him in his post. The man these players had to report their coach to is groping and kissing them in full view of the world. It really is no wonder so many of those who walked away felt their strike was completely futile.

Rubiales has now vomited out a non-apology, because the Spanish sports minister & mainstream media were on his case. I very much doubt he will be sacking himself. Same as Vilda Sr didn't sack his son when 15 players came out and said conditions were so poor they'd rather not have an international career at all than work under them.

[Metallinick]

Former Australian international Craig Foster has come out saying Rubiales actions were disgraceful at the closing ceremony and he should be sacked.
Craig Foster is also the person that was groping his daughters breast during the national anthem in a match he was playing for Australia......pot meet kettle!

[Redbonnie]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj84Jbfx--AAxX1WUEAHQFABy0QFnoECA8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2F7news.com.au%2Fsport%2Ffifa-womens-world-cup%2Fspain-coach-jorge-vilda-caught-touching-female-staff-member-during-fifa-womens-world-cup-final-c-11665715&usg=AOvVaw0ShkGFsWmVGehHAynygPE2&opi=89978449

Vilda titting up the coaching team… What a shitshow.

[BarryCrocker]

Former Australian international Craig Foster has come out saying Rubiales actions were disgraceful at the closing ceremony and he should be sacked.
Craig Foster is also the person that was groping his daughters breast during the national anthem in a match he was playing for Australia......pot meet kettle!

What a stupid thing to say.

If you want some background on what type of person he is you should read his nomination for 2023 Australian of The Year.

Craig Foster AM
Human rights and anti-racism activist, former Socceroo
2023 NSW AUSTRALIAN OF THE YEAR
Craig Foster AM is one of Australia’s most powerful voices for the disadvantaged.

The 29-times-capped Socceroo and award-winning sports broadcaster has spent the past decade campaigning for refugee rights and marginalised communities. He also promotes anti-racism, allyship and what he calls ‘active multiculturalism’ – communities protecting each other.

Craig was influential in helping the Afghan Women's National Football Team, Paralympians, taekwondo athletes and many other girls and women escape Afghanistan as the Taliban took hold of the country in August 2021.

Two years earlier, Craig helped secure the release of refugee footballer Hakeem al-Araibi who faced extradition to Bahrain from Thailand. More recently, he led a campaign to free refugees still trapped off and onshore in Australia.

Patron of Australia’s Indigenous football teams, Craig works tirelessly for a better Australia including the 'Racism. It Stops With Me' and #RacismNotWelcome campaigns, and volunteers at the Addison Road Community Organisation and food pantry in Sydney’s Inner West.

[Bioluminescence]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj84Jbfx--AAxX1WUEAHQFABy0QFnoECA8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2F7news.com.au%2Fsport%2Ffifa-womens-world-cup%2Fspain-coach-jorge-vilda-caught-touching-female-staff-member-during-fifa-womens-world-cup-final-c-11665715&usg=AOvVaw0ShkGFsWmVGehHAynygPE2&opi=89978449

Vilda titting up the coaching team… What a shitshow.

Sexual assault in plain sight. There's something rotten at the core of Spain's women's football.

[oojason]

'Rubiales unsuccessfully pleaded with Jenni Hermoso to defend him in a joint statement':-

The president of the RFEF asked the soccer player to appear in the video that he broadcast with the apologies that the Government demanded of him.

www.relevo.com/futbol/mundial-femenino/rubiales-pidio-jenni-hermoso-defendiera-20230822035508-nt.html (translated)


'The statements released by the RFEF are not from Jenni Hermoso

In addition, as Relay has learned from another source, the statements released by the RFEF on Sunday afternoon, after winning the title, do not belong to the player either. The quotation mark attributed to the soccer player said: "It has been a totally spontaneous mutual gesture due to the immense joy that winning a World Cup brings. The president and I have a great relationship, his behavior with all of us has been of ten and it was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude.

You cannot go overboard with a gesture of friendship and gratitude, we have won a World Cup and we are not going to deviate from what is important". They were written by the Federation's communication department and disseminated to the media quickly, but she had not spoken in that regard.

Precisely the speech created by the RFEF, and which put those words in Jenni's mouth, is what some authorities have accepted so as not to have to comment on what happened.'



'Pedro Sánchez, acting President of the Government, on the behavior of Luis Rubiales in the final:

 🗨️“What we saw was an unacceptable gesture. Apologies have not been enough. They are not suitable. Mr. Rubiales has to keep taking steps”.'

https://twitter.com/relevo/status/1693953884299911569 (translated)

[classycarra]

Meh, storm in a  teacup, player herself has come out and says the whole thing is overblown, WASPs getting upset at displays of affection.

thought it was ghostwritten but she signed off, but even that isnt the case - not even approved the words they attributed to her

spanish fa are absolutely rotten creeps (at absolute best). imagine what they're like when people aren't watching

[kellan]

thought it was ghostwritten but she signed off, but even that isnt the case - not even approved the words they attributed to her

spanish fa are absolutely rotten creeps (at absolute best). imagine what they're like when people aren't watching

The reports I'm seeing is that they approached her to speak in favour of Rubiales while she had no escape 35,000ft in the air, that Vilda was one of the ones who had multiple goes at strong arming her into doing it, that when he also failed they then started on her family, and that her family also saying no is when they finally just said fuck it let's speak for her.

Rubiales hasn't even got the decency to keep a low profile. He was practically first off the plane, and he's been front and centre of all the celebrations.

I feel awful for the players having their achievement completely overshadowed by this man, but at the same time, had he not shown who he is then the state of the RFEF and situation with the women's team would all have been swept under the rug using this trophy. So it isn't not a little bit poetic that winning it is what has resulted in a far greater exposure of the culture there than would otherwise have happened.

[thejbs]

Former Australian international Craig Foster has come out saying Rubiales actions were disgraceful at the closing ceremony and he should be sacked.
Craig Foster is also the person that was groping his daughters breast during the national anthem in a match he was playing for Australia......pot meet kettle!

Absolutely ludicrous post. He had his arm around his 8-year-old daughter's chest. Those trolling him about it are sexualising an 8-year-old girl.

[oojason]

'Nike finally U-turn on Mary Earps row and agree to sell England goalkeeper shirt':-

Mary Earps spoke out prior to the Women's World Cup, and despite that and a petition, Nike had cemented themselves into not taking any action until now

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-nike-mary-earps-kit-30778325 &

www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/24/mary-earps-and-other-female-goalkeeper-shirts-to-go-on-sale-after-nike-u-turn



'Spanish FA president faces new accusations from former colleague after Jenni Hermoso World Cup kiss controversy':-

Rubiales’ former colleague claims he would ask her what colour underwear she was wearing

Tamara Ramos, the general director of the Futbolistas ON players union, has alleged that Rubiales made offensive and crude comments to her when the pair worked together at the Spanish footballers’ association.

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/rubiales-spain-fa-jenni-hermoso-accusation-b2398561.html



'[RFEF] Rubiales is suing Tamara Ramos for defamation' (and seemingly using the Spanish FA's website to mount some sort of defence and denial?):-

https://rfef.es/es/noticias/comunicado-oficial-23-de-agosto



'Fifa to investigate Spanish FA head Luis Rubiales over World Cup final kiss':-

Fifa open disciplinary proceedings over behaviour
Rubiales kissed Hermoso during trophy presentation

www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/24/fifa-opens-disciplinary-proceedings-luis-rubiales-womens-world-cup

[kellan]

It's now being reported that Rubiales will resign tomorrow. Far too much heat on him, from all corners. But I'm not naive enough to think he is doing it for the right reasons. And he should have been straight fired.

[oojason]

It's now being reported that Rubiales will resign tomorrow. Far too much heat on him, from all corners. But I'm not naive enough to think he is doing it for the right reasons. And he should have been straight fired.

   A shame he wasn't fired... but at least there is now a chance, if belatedly for those players that missed out, for fresh start.

If nothing else, at least the younger players coming through won't have to put up with antics like that shite - for however long these have been occurring for by him and his ilk.

[afc tukrish]

It's now being reported that Rubiales will resign tomorrow. Far too much heat on him, from all corners. But I'm not naive enough to think he is doing it for the right reasons. And he should have been straight fired.

If his replacement chucks Vilda into the fucking bin and the players who stood down because of his general and specific c*ntiness get the chance to come back into the setup...

I'm still with you, I'd still rather the had been fired.

But if his resignation culmiates with fixes for the problems he and his stupid stooge created...

[Ray K]

@MiguelDelaney
Incredible - Rubiales saying he is not resigning.

Vilda applauses as Rubiales insists "I am not resigning", repeating it with increasing vigour.

Spanish men's coach Luis De La Fuente also applauding

@SemraHunter
🚨Luis Rubiales shouts repeatedly that he is not going to stand down, that he will fight this until the end.

·"I say, what have I done? Is a consensual peck is enough to get me out of here? I will fight to the end."
·Announces not only is he going to offer Jorge Vilda a contract for the next four years, but he's going to offer him a salary of HALF A MILLION EUROS a year

***
He's now doing the DiCaprio bit in the Wolf of Wall Street.

[kellan]

"False feminism is a scourge for society" he says, and the room applauds 
https://twitter.com/SemraHunter/status/1695015083636666518

Someone take out the trash.

[classycarra]

Rubiales tried to sue Wikipedia for reporting his controversies in 2022. It's since been extended given his creepy antics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Rubiales#Controversies

[Bioluminescence]

Good on Bellerin for calling it out but so disappointing, if not surprising, not to see more high-profile players speak up. Disgraceful lot.

[kellan]

The Spanish government are now saying they'll do what RFEF don't appear to be and will suspend Rubiales via the Tribunal Administrativo del Deporte (Administrative Court of Sport).
https://elpais.com/deportes/2023-08-25/el-gobierno-inicia-hoy-mismo-el-tramite-para-la-suspension-de-luis-rubiales.html?ssm=TW_CM

According to the linked source, it's a relatively straightforward process that could take only days and is a move he was likely expecting would happen on the back of him catching everybody by surprise. It's hard to understand what's happened here. A press conference was lined up, media all briefed that it would be related to his resignation. Even the government were given the heads-up that such was coming. There was even said to be an announcement related to his replacement. Then he gets in front of the mic and delivers a speech so unhinged it might actually be the worst bit of all that's unfolded since the final whistle.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, UEFA do. It's been a little lost in all the talk of his job with the RFEF, but he's actually one of UEFA's vice presidents.

[classycarra]

Excellent thread here (note it starts with the assumption Rubiales was about to resign, as had been briefed)
https://twitter.com/Millar_Colin/status/1695013240227389451
(key tweet from within the thread)

Important context on Rubiales situation:
 
Just as with Jorge Vilda, they have been rocked by multiple scandals and accusations. Both have supported each other and both have remained in post.

Rubiales actions and words purvey total self-confidence. He feels he is invincible due to the political power structures in FA.

The most relevant quote today that reflects this:
"Did you really think a peck (small kiss) would bring me down?"

Rubiales behaviour, and the boys club of mutual protection from his friend the managers (male teams manager also attending and clapping like a trained seal) - including offering him crude new contract money live on air - is the kind of stuff that if you saw it dramatised in a film you'd say it's too on the nose.

Guy needs to be kicked out, but it's evident that won't be enough to address systemic issues in the spanish FA - he also needs to kick the beak (just a guess..) especially once he's off the gravy train (and having to pay to sue all these people he's promising to sue - yeah right..)

Good to see Bellerin and Borja at Betis speaking up on this. Be great if any of the rest of the mens game gave a shit and offered some solidarity to their fellow union members (alas probably too much to expect a lot of them to give a shit on compassionate grounds..). Luis Enrique and Arteta are small small men by the way

[kellan]

Rubiales behaviour, and the boys club of mutual protection from his friend the managers (male teams manager also attending and clapping like a trained seal) - including offering him crude new contract money live on air - is the kind of stuff that if you saw it dramatised in a film you'd say it's too on the nose.

Guy needs to be kicked out, but it's evident that won't be enough to address systemic issues in the spanish FA - he also needs to kick the beak (just a guess..) especially once he's off the gravy train (and having to pay to sue all these people he's promising to sue - yeah right..)

Good to see Bellerin and Borja at Betis speaking up on this. Be great if any of the rest of the mens game gave a shit and offered some solidarity to their fellow union members (alas probably too much to expect a lot of them to give a shit on compassionate grounds..). Luis Enrique and Arteta are small small men by the way

Spanish clubs have started to release statements in the last hour or two calling for Rubiales to go, so it does seem as if football itself is catching up to the media and government in having a position on this. FIFA have already started their processes to deal with him, which I thought was too late in coming, though I know nothing about how long it takes for them to get balls rolling, so it may well be that they weren't late at all. Either way, his stunt has managed to galvanise those opposing him & prompted the up-until-now-silent to finally choose a side, and we're now about to find out just how much the football systems of various bodies do actually provide the protection he believes he has.

The women's team themselves have also been speaking this afternoon and they're understandably now saying this goes well beyond their initial complaints of training practices and resources. I imagine there will be another strike, and that this time it won't just be half a squad who declare themselves unavailable but rather a complete refusal from every player to go anywhere near Vilda and the rest of the men in control of the team.