Topic: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

[Eeyore]

I have the utmost disdain for opinions like this who minimise or dilute the enigmatic pulling power of Liverpool Football Club.

In that case why was Rodgers getting Gerrard to cold call prospective recruits.


As Gerrard explains:

    ‘I had an unofficial role at the club, trying to persuade some great players to join Liverpool. It was the same ritual every summer. The club would let me know which long-shot target they had in mind and then ask me to contact him. They thought that a request to consider moving to Liverpool would have more impact coming from me.’

He admits that one ‘long-shot target’ was very ambitious indeed:

    ‘Brendan asked me to take a crack at trying to talk Toni Kroos into signing for Liverpool. He smiled when I said we’d be p***ing into the wind with this one…I knew Real Madrid were gearing up to make Bayern Munich an offer and so I felt a bit awkward when I texted Kroos. The German was on his way to winning the World Cup with his country and Real were the champions of Europe.

    ‘Some of the best footballers in the world can also be the most respectful. Kroos didn’t make me feel like I was a total idiot. But, of course, he would soon sign for Real Madrid. We had a nice little exchange of texts and I said well done and good luck.’

[Suareznumber7]

There are a couple of things John.

Firstly what doesn't get mentioned very often is how often these teams who have a Head Coach/Sporting Director model change their coach. The coach becomes disposable. If you were looking for a parallel in this Country then it would be Chelsea. If you were looking for the top clubs in Europe then you would look at Bayern and Madrid.

It sounds great the Sporting Director building a squad that extends beyond the lifespan of the Coach. The problem is it creates a dressing room with more power than the Coach. Look at how many times the Chelsea, Madrid or Bayern dressing room has downed tools and seen off a Coach.

Instead of the Sporting director being held to account he just blames the Coach for not utilising the players properly.

It's also a setup which is in every American sport so something that the owners are well aware of and comfortable with.  I'm sure this has been said previously in this thread as well. 

[Agent99]

Let's hope this set up works better than last time.

[DLF]

It's the structure Klopp had at Dortmund.  It's the structure Alonso works under now.  I'm not sure Carlo even gets to pick the team in his current club.  Mourinho has just stated that all he wants to be is a head coach.  There are no managers out there, only coaches.  It's like buying a striker and playing them in midfield.  Ray Kennedy you say?  Oh alright I'll give you that one.

[Samie]

In that case why was Rodgers getting Gerrard to cold call prospective recruits.


As Gerrard explains:

    ‘I had an unofficial role at the club, trying to persuade some great players to join Liverpool. It was the same ritual every summer. The club would let me know which long-shot target they had in mind and then ask me to contact him. They thought that a request to consider moving to Liverpool would have more impact coming from me.’

He admits that one ‘long-shot target’ was very ambitious indeed:

    ‘Brendan asked me to take a crack at trying to talk Toni Kroos into signing for Liverpool. He smiled when I said we’d be p***ing into the wind with this one…I knew Real Madrid were gearing up to make Bayern Munich an offer and so I felt a bit awkward when I texted Kroos. The German was on his way to winning the World Cup with his country and Real were the champions of Europe.

    ‘Some of the best footballers in the world can also be the most respectful. Kroos didn’t make me feel like I was a total idiot. But, of course, he would soon sign for Real Madrid. We had a nice little exchange of texts and I said well done and good luck.’

Diffrent situation entirely. We're so far ahead asa club on and off the field then when FSG first took over.

[Eeyore]

Diffrent situation entirely. We're so far ahead asa club on and off the field then when FSG first took over.

The Kroos phone call wasn't when FSG first took over it was 4 years in and just after we almost won the League in 13-14.

[Samie]

The Kroos phone call wasn't when FSG first took over it was 4 years in and just after we almost won the League in 13-14.

The LFC of 2024 is A LOT stronger across the board than in 2014 for heavens sake Al.  Why are you being this weird mate? This is a nothing story.   

[Eeyore]

The LFC of 2024 is A LOT stronger across the board than in 2014 for heavens sake Al.  Why are you being this weird mate? This is a nothing story.   

We became a lot stronger when Klopp convinced Van Dijk to turn down City and Chelsea and sign for us. Do you honestly think that happens without Klopp meeting up with Van Dijk.

[John C]

There are a couple of things John.

Firstly what doesn't get mentioned very often is how often these teams who have a Head Coach/Sporting Director model change their coach. The coach becomes disposable. If you were looking for a parallel in this Country then it would be Chelsea. If you were looking for the top clubs in Europe then you would look at Bayern and Madrid.

It sounds great the Sporting Director building a squad that extends beyond the lifespan of the Coach. The problem is it creates a dressing room with more power than the Coach. Look at how many times the Chelsea, Madrid or Bayern dressing room has downed tools and seen off a Coach.

Instead of the Sporting director being held to account he just blames the Coach for not utilising the players properly.   

Whatever Al. What are the ideal models? (post a unique Fergerson)
I'd have said a non-financially doped City with their team and manager. But they're out of the CL.
Arsenal - Arteta has done a great job but they are out of the CL. Whose behind him anyway
What about all of the teams left in the CL, should we / do we want to be like any of them. I've no idea what their set up is.

[Sinyoro]

Manchester City
Arsenal
arguably Liverpool 2016-2022
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Atletico Madrid
Bayern Munich
Borussia Dortmund
Bayer Leverkusen
Paris Saint-Germain
Ajax
Porto
Benfica
...

It's actually hard to find a club that doesn't!

We are catching up, good to see.

Thanks

[Samie]

We became a lot stronger when Klopp convinced Van Dijk to turn down City and Chelsea and sign for us. Do you honestly think that happens without Klopp meeting up with Van Dijk.

I don't know probably not but now you're getting into hypotheticals. 

LFC of 2024 is stronger than in 2014 that is a fact without a shadow of a doubt.

[John C]

In that case why was Rodgers getting Gerrard to cold call prospective recruits.


As Gerrard explains:

    ‘I had an unofficial role at the club, trying to persuade some great players to join Liverpool. It was the same ritual every summer. The club would let me know which long-shot target they had in mind and then ask me to contact him. They thought that a request to consider moving to Liverpool would have more impact coming from me.’

He admits that one ‘long-shot target’ was very ambitious indeed:

    ‘Brendan asked me to take a crack at trying to talk Toni Kroos into signing for Liverpool. He smiled when I said we’d be p***ing into the wind with this one…I knew Real Madrid were gearing up to make Bayern Munich an offer and so I felt a bit awkward when I texted Kroos. The German was on his way to winning the World Cup with his country and Real were the champions of Europe.

    ‘Some of the best footballers in the world can also be the most respectful. Kroos didn’t make me feel like I was a total idiot. But, of course, he would soon sign for Real Madrid. We had a nice little exchange of texts and I said well done and good luck.’

So whats your point here?
I said the Club should be the attraction, you seem endorse an individual should (not could) be an attraction but the example you gave failed.
fml, I know how Yorky feels now.

[Eeyore]

Whatever Al. What are the ideal models? (post a unique Fergerson)
I'd have said a non-financially doped City with their team and manager. But they're out of the CL.
Arsenal - Arteta has done a great job but they are out of the CL. Whose behind him anyway
What about all of the teams left in the CL, should we / do we want to be like any of them. I've no idea what their set up is.

Liverpool in the 70's and 80's, Ferguson in the 90's and 00's, Wenger in the 00's have all been the dominant teams with the manager having a huge amount of power. Guardiola has dominated recently with a huge amount of power. Arsenal have flourished since under Arteta who has a lot of power.

The biggest turnaround in the Premier League has been Aston Villa with Emery bringing in his own DoF in Monchi and having a huge amount of power. Our best seasons over the last couple of decades have been when the likes of Benitez and Klopp had huge amounts of power.

No one in this League has ever had a transformative SD or DoF who has changed things and turned their team into the dominant force.

[KC7]

I have the utmost disdain for opinions like this who minimise or dilute the enigmatic pulling power of Liverpool Football Club.

No question. It isnt hyperbole to state this is an iconic football club, one ot two in England (sorry Arsenal).

Probably the most iconic club ground in the country, certainly the most famous stand, likewise most famous anthem (on the planet).

When the opposition fans come to Anfield they have the cameras out, they know it's special. Foreign newspapers, same adulation about the place

When Jurgen heard of our interest, he asked his family, "how does Liverpool FC sound"?.

Look at Barcelona, a financial basket case (plus I've no idea who their manager is now), they can still draw Lewandowski.

[Eeyore]

So whats your point here?
I said the Club should be the attraction, you seem endorse an individual should (not could) be an attraction but the example you gave failed.
fml, I know how Yorky feels now.

If you want ambitious players who are going to take you to the next level then you need to sell the project. You need a manager who can convince the player of two things the project and that the manager will improve the player. That is why we were able to sign Van Dijk and also why we have been able to keep hold of our best players.

We have also been able to recruit outstanding young players because they know they will get a chance under Klopp.

If you look back to how we became a big club then it was the ability of Shanks to sell the club to the likes of St John when we were a second division club. That is a manager telling a player the club is going places and that he will make them a better player. How does that work when you have a Sporting Director in charge of transfers?

[Dim Glas]

If you want ambitious players who are going to take you to the next level then you need to sell the project. You need a manager who can convince the player of two things the project and that the manager will improve the player. That is why we were able to sign Van Dijk and also why we have been able to keep hold of our best players.

We have also been able to recruit outstanding young players because they know they will get a chance under Klopp.

If you look back to how we became a big club then it was the ability of Shanks to sell the club to the likes of St John when we were a second division club. That is a manager telling a player the club is going places and that he will make them a better player. How does that work when you have a Sporting Director in charge of transfers?

But that’s what’s been the case here anyway? And nothing changes regards a player being able to speak with the coach, that still happens in all the leagues around Europe when this is the usual way of working.