Topic: The creeping silent army of the ether (Twitter-Whoppery)

[LiamG]

The transfer window is an excellent period to go on a blocking spree I find.

must of unfollowed about 50 accounts in the last week, utter bell whiffs on there

[Dim Glas]

It will never change.
It was a cesspit even when we were winning everything.
Ban yourself from social media involving anything you love.
You'll feel so much better.
Its at the point where I blame the club for leaving comments sections open.

Be nice if they at least moderate to some degree - but the thing is - they are likely more than happy with the interaction for the usual reasons on these platforms - the retweets and likes. Admins of football twitter aren’t fans of the club, and they likely are highly dependant on the numbers of views etc they bring in.  It’s a competitive business alas, and got more so in recent seasons with the ‘banter’ admins of clubs like Roma and Leverkusen (both now no longer with such admins!), but that really paved the way for how clubs try and behave on social media to get the interactions.

it’s shit. Basically everything the official channels post is a playground full of nameless, gutless trolls.   

[stockdam]

Be nice if they at least moderate to some degree - but the thing is - they are likely more than happy with the interaction for the usual reasons on these platforms - the retweets and likes. Admins of football twitter aren’t fans of the club, and they likely are highly dependant on the numbers of views etc they bring in.  It’s a competitive business alas, and got more so in recent seasons with the ‘banter’ admins of clubs like Roma and Leverkusen (both now no longer with such admins!), but that really paved the way for how clubs try and behave on social media to get the interactions.

it’s shit. Basically everything the official channels post is a playground full of nameless, gutless trolls.   

The main thing about Twitter is to identify your target audience and then to post things that they want to read about. People will tend to follow Twitter accounts that feed them stuff that they already believe. So if you believe in a flat earth then you’ll tend to follow other people with similar beliefs. Those people will reinforce your beliefs and before you know it then your feed will “prove” that you are correct. Few people want to read a balanced opinion or one that is contrary to theirs.

I don’t go near Twitter as it tends to annoy me as I react to assholes who post nonsense. Twitter thinks that I like their posts and so I get more nonsense. Take a look at some politicians that have extreme views. I have called a few of them out but their “followers” then try to drown me out rather than debating like adults. Or the owner of the account just blocks me so that their feed doesn’t contain anybody with views that are contrary to theirs.

A lot of Twitter accounts post one-sided drivel that panders to a certain audience that laps up the content. Generally the more one-sided or biased or offensive the better. Most things are not black or white and there’s usually some truth on both sides of the discussion. However Twitter isn’t about truth or reason. It’s about posting content that people “like”.

[Black Bull Nova]

I have several views relating to most social media (except forums that is) and these express them well











And I know the second cartoon got some criticism but I post it after seeing a 3 year old guide his parent across a busy road as they avoid looking up from their phone

[rob1966]

I have several views relating to most social media (except forums that is) and these express them well








And I know the second cartoon got some criticism but I post it after seeing a 3 year old guide his parent across a busy road as they avoid looking up from their phone

I feel like screaming at parents like that. I see so many mothers walking with kids, totally ignoring them while staring at their phones. I love walking with my kids, we have big long conversations about all kinds of stuff, its a great use of time.

[Qston]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/01/premier-league-january-spending-bubble-transfer-window

This article from Jonathan Liew kinda feeds into that social media, entertainment frenzy.

I am not on any social media for the very reasons this thread looks at, amongst others. My 17 year old daughter is all over it and it seems that a lot of what she reads she believes despite my efforts to point her in a different direction and tell her the truth. It seems that there is a whole army of whoppers who seek instant gratification, and that includes the team they supposedly support.

I just hope that the likes of Klopp stay well away and are well aware that the mainstay of supporters back him and would likely march if there was a hint of him being dismissed. As for FSG they seem to get pelters on there and from what people tell me on RAWK - reasoned debate doesn`t seem to apply to a lot of people. People seem to see 'Black and White' and ignore the huge areas of grey inbetween. They don`t seem to understand that two things can be right at the same time and that criticism and praise doesn`t need to be mutually exclusive and a binary choice.

[Fitzy.]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/01/premier-league-january-spending-bubble-transfer-window

This article from Jonathan Liew kinda feeds into that social media, entertainment frenzy.

I am not on any social media for the very reasons this thread looks at, amongst others. My 17 year old daughter is all over it and it seems that a lot of what she reads she believes despite my efforts to point her in a different direction and tell her the truth. It seems that there is a whole army of whoppers who seek instant gratification, and that includes the team they supposedly support.

I just hope that the likes of Klopp stay well away and are well aware that the mainstay of supporters back him and would likely march if there was a hint of him being dismissed. As for FSG they seem to get pelters on there and from what people tell me on RAWK - reasoned debate doesn`t seem to apply to a lot of people. People seem to see 'Black and White' and ignore the huge areas of grey inbetween. They don`t seem to understand that two things can be right at the same time and that criticism and praise doesn`t need to be mutually exclusive and a binary choice.

Good stuff

[Jwils21]

If Twitter existed in 2005 during the Olympiacos game...

[Ghost Town]

LFC Twitter: "And Liverpool have won the European Cup for the fifth time!"

Twitter dickhead: "Don't care, buy a midfielder"

[Black Bull Nova]

LFC Twitter: "And Liverpool have won the European Cup for the fifth time!"

Twitter dickhead: "Don't care, buy a midfielder"

0-3 at half time, effin useless bunch of shite, we need to sack Benitez and bin off all these players, preferably before the second half starts

[Jwils21]

LFC Twitter: "And Liverpool have won the European Cup for the fifth time!"

Twitter dickhead: "Don't care, buy a midfielder"

[oojason]

^ That image gave me old Rashid vibes

[bird_lfc]

0-3 at half time, effin useless bunch of shite, we need to sack Benitez and bin off all these players, preferably before the second half starts

I'd love to see the half time thread on RAWK from that game. Gotta be floating about somewhere

[Dim Glas]

^ That image gave me old Rashid vibes

the guy from Koptallk? He’s still very active on Twitter.

[flyingcod]

Can you imagine the 87-88 season?

"Rush gone and who've we signed?  Massively overpaid for a Newcastle midget and some untested Watford winger!  So for goals we're relying on some noob from Oxford who has has hardly played a game since we got him in January.  Kenny has to go, we'll win shite all this season, it'll be embarrassing. We should have broke the bank and signed Hoddle and Kerry Dixon. Smith and Robinson out!"

fc

[oojason]

the guy from Koptallk? He’s still very active on Twitter.

He used to be on here quite a bit too - every other post was about Quaresma (and how brilliant we'd be if he signed for us)...

Koptalk, eh? Good to see he ended up in the right place then

[Dim Glas]

He used to be on here quite a bit too - every other post was about Quaresma (and how brilliant we'd be if he signed for us)...

Koptalk, eh? Good to see he ended up in the right place then

didn’t know he was here, luckily I managed to avoid that    He was a classic Twitter LFC ‘fan' before Twitter even existed.

[banksybanks]

Twitter summed up in one tweet. Probably a Manc on a wind up.

The FSG out 'badge' appears to identify a lot of the worst on Twitter. I was called out as a jobless victim by the 'exposing top reds' account (he's since deleted it). Apparently, he'd rather be a Tory than a 'top red' 😄 Probably a school kid with no concept/interest in what the club is actually about, like most of them

[Sheer Magnetism]

Can you imagine the 87-88 season?

"Rush gone and who've we signed?  Massively overpaid for a Newcastle midget and some untested Watford winger!  So for goals we're relying on some noob from Oxford who has has hardly played a game since we got him in January.  Kenny has to go, we'll win shite all this season, it'll be embarrassing. We should have broke the bank and signed Hoddle and Kerry Dixon. Smith and Robinson out!"

Beardsley was a British transfer record. Aldridge had pretty much a two-in-three record in the top division when we signed him. Barnes had been an England regular for years and Ray Houghton was one of the midfielders in the bottom half of the division. We also signed Nigel Spackman, a decent midtable midfielder, as cover at the same time as Aldridge. Apart from Aldridge, the rest were between 23 and 26 years old.

To put it in a 2023 context, do you really think people would have been disappointed if we'd signed Enzo Fernandez, Harry Kane, Declan Rice, Eberechi Eze and Ruben Neves in the last three windows? I think they'd have been more than fine with it. I think it would have been different in 1987 if the club had just signed Paulinho Cascavel and Hans Gillhaus.

[Historical Fool]

I'd love to see the half time thread on RAWK from that game. Gotta be floating about somewhere

Nope, I don't recall it existed back then. There were no HT threads on this Forum.

[Ghost Town]

Beardsley was a British transfer record. Aldridge had pretty much a two-in-three record in the top division when we signed him. Barnes had been an England regular for years and Ray Houghton was one of the midfielders in the bottom half of the division. We also signed Nigel Spackman, a decent midtable midfielder, as cover at the same time as Aldridge. Apart from Aldridge, the rest were between 23 and 26 years old.

To put it in a 2023 context, do you really think people would have been disappointed if we'd signed Enzo Fernandez, Harry Kane, Declan Rice, Eberechi Eze and Ruben Neves in the last three windows? I think they'd have been more than fine with it. I think it would have been different in 1987 if the club had just signed Paulinho Cascavel and Hans Gillhaus.

[Fitzy.]

In the backdrop of City’s devastating corruption being exposed, you would imagine that there’d be a moment of pause and caution from some of the whopperatti intent on selling the club to the highest bidder with the deepest pockets.

[Ghost Town]

In the backdrop of City’s devastating corruption being exposed, you would imagine that there’d be a moment of pause and caution from some of the whopperatti intent on selling the club to the highest bidder with the deepest pockets.

Nope, the tedious fucking self-righteous twats cannot stop, cannot pause even for an instant.

[flyingcod]

Beardsley was a British transfer record. Aldridge had pretty much a two-in-three record in the top division when we signed him. Barnes had been an England regular for years and Ray Houghton was one of the midfielders in the bottom half of the division. We also signed Nigel Spackman, a decent midtable midfielder, as cover at the same time as Aldridge. Apart from Aldridge, the rest were between 23 and 26 years old.

To put it in a 2023 context, do you really think people would have been disappointed if we'd signed Enzo Fernandez, Harry Kane, Declan Rice, Eberechi Eze and Ruben Neves in the last three windows? I think they'd have been more than fine with it. I think it would have been different in 1987 if the club had just signed Paulinho Cascavel and Hans Gillhaus.

See that point that went right over your head?   

fc

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Nope, the tedious fucking self-righteous twats cannot stop, cannot pause even for an instant.

It's because they're not capable of rational analysis of anything. It's about instant gratification.

A bit like the posters in the City thread, without a moments thought, they trot out the assumption that any penalty will be  "a slap on the wrists".
Now of course the eventual punishment may not end up as harsh as most would like, but it doesn't necessarily mean that everything else will stay the same. But no, lets just carry on posting.

[Elzar]

I'd love to see the half time thread on RAWK from that game. Gotta be floating about somewhere

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=68112.280

There is this. Nowhere neat the amount of comments as there would be these days.

[Sheer Magnetism]

See that point that went right over your head?   

There was no point because there's no realistic comparison, something that seems to have gone over your head: 'Imagine if fans back then had behaved the same way when we bought a load of players after a season when we didn't win anything, then went on a 29-match unbeaten run!' I can't for some reason. I do remember a lot of moaning in the early 90's though.

[flyingcod]

There was no point because there's no realistic comparison, something that seems to have gone over your head: 'Imagine if fans back then had behaved the same way when we bought a load of players after a season when we didn't win anything, then went on a 29-match unbeaten run!' I can't for some reason. I do remember a lot of moaning in the early 90's though.

No you missed it completely, but lets move on.

fc

[disgraced cake]

If Twitter existed in 2005 during the Olympiacos game...

 

Someone should make more of these. Would love to have seen twitter during half time in Istanbul, although the rawk threads are still active!

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

I'd love to see the half time thread on RAWK from that game. Gotta be floating about somewhere

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=68112.0

[StevoHimself]

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=68112.0

Interesting read. Is there one for the 2006 FA Cup Final (I'm lazy)? I'm wondering what that West Ham fan made of that!

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Interesting read. Is there one for the 2006 FA Cup Final (I'm lazy)? I'm wondering what that West Ham fan made of that!

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=122561.80

[Ghost Town]

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=68112.0

Only one name on the first page that I recognise, our old friend Turkish. Never you you were such a long-timer, Turkish

[LiamG]

Someone should make more of these. Would love to have seen twitter during half time in Istanbul, although the rawk threads are still active!

6=0 to Milan this. Fucking embarrasing. Gerrard, fuck off to Chelsea, you twat.

Here's just one i picked out haha

[Fitzy.]

Nope, the tedious fucking self-righteous twats cannot stop, cannot pause even for an instant.

Yep

[Eeyore]

I am just glad there are no tedious self-righteous posts in this thread. This thread is akin to people commenting on gogglebox, whose role is commenting on things that have actually happened on TV. You then get people commenting on people's comments about Gogglebox.

I think Andy should start a thread with a pole commenting on the comments in the 'The creeping silent army of the ether (Twitter-Whoppery)'. Or better start it on Twitter so we can go full circle.  

[Fitzy.]

It’s been a rare weekend across social media following the transfer circus around Caisedo…a mark of how transfers are now the only show in town.

Blue tick whoppery has made Twitter an even bigger bin fire than ever before. Any comments below a big football account are dominated by lads with hardly any followers but thick enough to have bought a blue tick on a free app.

These narcissists get tweets to be more prominent meaning you’re reading awful stuff from the off. Any big Liverpool account is hijacked by the worst people. Last week, Spirit of Shankly tweeted their respects to a director at Tranmere who has died. The replies were abusive to SoS and FSG, transfer related and ignoring anything to do with the tribute. Their need for a new DM to brag about blocks all ideas of decency.

While all this stuff can be ignored, I do think it starts to infect more mainstream outlets. Noise online has traction. Grim podcasters ‘who know ball’ feed off it and engage in ‘top bantz’ that offers nothing more than divisive views - to these guys being a fan in just an endless stream of oneupmanship with rivals in a toxic loop. Actual football is a peripheral part of the sport. But this dumb stuff doesn’t stop there.

It creeps into the analysis on places like talkSPORT and Sky Sports News. You get Alan Shearer and Carragher parroting reductive arguments about Liverpool being ‘embarrassed’ for trying to get a new player. For me, the idea of bidding for a player has nothing to do with notions of shame or pride. Embarrassed? What the…?

It’s a strange time to follow football.

[Jwils21]

It’s a strange time to follow football.

Great post, and a sad one. Sky are the worst for it, they know it helps their engagement if they start posting divisive shite.

A lot of this "new wave" don't enjoy the raw emotion of the game, they sit hoping things happen that will strengthen their artificial position in the world of opinion. I remember Twitter whoppers in 2019 saying they couldn't celebrate the 4-0 against Barca because "Wijnaldum the fraud" scored.

Everything these days also HAS to be absolute - there's no grey. Everything is black and white. Salah is "finished" because he didn't score yesterday, Luis Diaz is the only good player we have because he's the one who scored. That new defender scored for Chelsea, i'd never heard of him before the game. Now he's better than Van Dijk. He's better than that fraud William Saliba. He's definitely the best in the league. Where does he rank against Vidic/Terry/Campbell? Vote now in this poll.

[McrRed]

And the wider implications of the dumbing down of all commentary? Well we're currently enjoying the fruits of Brexit which was in no small part inspired by the Cambridge Analytica fuckery. This is what is happening to football and society writ small. Great post, Fitzy.

[bradders1011]

The Greenwood 'debate' is an utter cesspit.