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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25440 on: May 4, 2021, 10:21:02 am »
A misfire for me. Not a mention of the “murderer” chants at the protests. Fuck Man Utd and their fans. I couldn’t give a fuck if the spoilt brats are unhappy about only being the second biggest net spenders. Boo fucking hoo.

I like TAW, but they are a little sanctimonious at times and are way out of their depth when it comes to understanding the business and finance issues surrounding the way Man Utd are run.

Speaking of misfires...

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« Reply #25441 on: May 4, 2021, 02:37:48 pm »
It's fair enough and totally understandable that TAW's attention has mostly been on the protest and its purpose- it's part of a bigger picture after all. But now I'd like to hear about what it means to the sporting side. It looks like we're going to get pushed into a reschedule that frankly disadvantages us and helps United, and there's no chance that would be a fair outcome. Now that the smoke of the protest is clearing somewhat, I think it's worth discussing.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25442 on: May 4, 2021, 02:49:48 pm »
A misfire for me. Not a mention of the “murderer” chants at the protests. Fuck Man Utd and their fans. I couldn’t give a fuck if the spoilt brats are unhappy about only being the second biggest net spenders. Boo fucking hoo.

I like TAW, but they are a little sanctimonious at times and are way out of their depth when it comes to understanding the business and finance issues surrounding the way Man Utd are run.

I'd be more inclined to aim that at you to be honest.
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25443 on: May 4, 2021, 02:53:19 pm »
No matter which opinion there is on the demonstration itself, I find it strange that United won`t be punished for it.

There are videos where fans are let into the stadium by the stadium guards. There are videos of them kicking in doors to get in. It wasn`t a peaceful or controlled protest. Maybe not straight up hooliganism like in the 80s, but elements of destruction and violence. It reminded me a little of the attack on the Capitol building in some ways. Gary Neville being Donald Trump.   

Let`s say it was Burnley fans who did this, would the reaction be the same? I highly doubt it.
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« Reply #25444 on: May 4, 2021, 03:07:01 pm »
Let`s say it was Burnley fans who did this, would the reaction be the same? I highly doubt it.

You've chosen Burnley as an example? Really? What if it was us you mean, the rebellious, vandalising Scousers. I think we all know it would be portrayed in a very different light.

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« Reply #25445 on: May 4, 2021, 03:26:52 pm »
You've chosen Burnley as an example? Really? What if it was us you mean, the rebellious, vandalising Scousers. I think we all know it would be portrayed in a very different light.

Obviously. But still.

Didn`t we get a fine for the Kopparberg riot/revolution/mayhem/war on the Citeeah bus?
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25446 on: May 4, 2021, 04:05:37 pm »
A misfire for me. Not a mention of the “murderer” chants at the protests. Fuck Man Utd and their fans. I couldn’t give a fuck if the spoilt brats are unhappy about only being the second biggest net spenders. Boo fucking hoo.

I like TAW, but they are a little sanctimonious at times and are way out of their depth when it comes to understanding the business and finance issues surrounding the way Man Utd are run.

Just on this, and i've no problem with someone having this opinion, but when it comes to finance, business in football and so on, worth remembering that a few of us were heavily involved with SOS, so had to get an education on it, but even more than this, when it comes to 'serious' football stuff we give it the respect it deserves and speak to people we know who either work in football/finance or have previously held positions of huge responsibility in football.
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« Reply #25447 on: May 4, 2021, 04:27:37 pm »
I'd be more inclined to aim that at you to be honest.

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« Reply #25448 on: May 4, 2021, 08:21:42 pm »
I deal with these issues on a daily basis. It’s my job.
How do you know TAW contributors are out of their depth? Moreover, they regularly get outside contributors on shows to help explain this stuff.

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« Reply #25449 on: May 5, 2021, 08:04:21 am »
TAW player has stopped updating on apps podcasts.

Something to do with the update to iOS 14.5 I reckon

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25450 on: May 5, 2021, 11:54:53 am »
TAW player has stopped updating on apps podcasts.

Something to do with the update to iOS 14.5 I reckon

Anyone got any ideas as to how to solve it??
Rumour has it that there is a new episode of the award-winning Gutter show but it is not showing up in my app. Maybe for that very reason? Frustrating to say the least. After all, it is an award-winning show.

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« Reply #25451 on: May 5, 2021, 12:11:26 pm »
I listened to the award-winning Gutter show yesterday. It had a heavy weight crew of contributers. Award-winning quality.

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« Reply #25452 on: May 5, 2021, 12:47:40 pm »
I listened to the award-winning Gutter show yesterday. It had a heavy weight crew of contributers. Award-winning quality.
Where do they get the money to pay such contributers? Clear breach of FFP rules. UEFA must condemn.

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« Reply #25453 on: May 5, 2021, 12:50:20 pm »
Rumour has it that there is a new episode of the award-winning Gutter show but it is not showing up in my app. Maybe for that very reason? Frustrating to say the least. After all, it is an award-winning show.
The Gutter has luckily landed and it is very dirty indeed.

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« Reply #25454 on: May 5, 2021, 01:34:05 pm »
I’ve had nothing since the 23rd April


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« Reply #25455 on: May 5, 2021, 01:50:16 pm »
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Works now…
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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25456 on: May 5, 2021, 04:03:45 pm »
Went in with a bit of a bias on the Anfield Wrap shows on the Manc protests after reading here first. It was right that the guy mentioning Harry Maguire as scraps was wrong. But there were some other good discussion points.

I think the problem is really that some of the views of their fans are at odds with the general collective 'let's look after the game' sentiment which they are trying to promote. Ridding Manchester United of the Glazers so they can go back to being the biggest spenders in the league hardly screams fairness to me or an improvement for the game overall but that is ultimately what they want if £80m on Harry Maguire is 'scraps'.

The only thing they can ever bring up beyond spending more on transfers without the debt and incumbent ownership appears to be that Old Trafford has fallen into disrepair and needs some improvement as does the local area - which seems fair enough but that's usually about where it ends in terms of finding something else other than transfer budgets to talk about.

He did mention grass roots football and I agree with him and that could be something that could be raised as something all clubs could do collectively but there was little in the way of how this could take place. I would think a negotiation of a percentage of the TV rights deal for the Premier League could be something that could take money directly coming into the game and distributing it could be a good idea.

Honestly, it's a shame that so much has been taken out of the club, but they've still outspent us since Ferguson left, they've just done terribly with it.

I think both points can co-exist. Man United having the Glazers in charge is bad but having no debt, and being able to dwarf everyone in the league bar perhaps City even more so than they currently do isn't really a much better situation for football generally. They've 'earned' their money at least through success and rampant commercialisation but what they essentially want is to reduce the current competitiveness and leverage their status as a football club and their revenues to eliminate even more of the competition.

Said a lot that after my mate got back from the protests and we were talking about it, he mentioned that they "might get the wallet out a bit more this summer" - which really seems to me to be the crux of it. It's more frustration over a lack of league titles and champions league for most of the fans (and attributing that to a lack of transfer/wages spend) than anything else.

Not for all of them of course, it is right that there have been protests throughout the 16 years but I'm not really a fan of being asked to stand shoulder to shoulder with them now that the Super League has been kyboshed. I sympathise with their plight, and back their protests for the most part for themselves, but unless we have a list of demands that fans throughout the Premier League are protesting for together then I'm really not comfortable with the likes of Neville saying we're all on the same page, because we aren't.

Bit of a ramble there and haven't really gone anywhere.  It's multi faceted and very complicated isn't it? But I'd like to see more about ticket prices, grass roots football, keeping the Premier League competitive, preventing badge/name changes, moving clubs from the vicinity they were created in (among many others in a similar vein) over whether Man United can spend more than the £800m they've spent since Fergie fucked them off. 
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« Reply #25457 on: May 6, 2021, 02:30:11 am »
^ that's a great post Hij - hit's the nail on the head.

The Gutter show was a right fillip la.

If the summer window is barren I reckon Rob is going to need therapy  ;D


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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25458 on: May 6, 2021, 02:46:01 am »
Went in with a bit of a bias on the Anfield Wrap shows on the Manc protests after reading here first. It was right that the guy mentioning Harry Maguire as scraps was wrong. But there were some other good discussion points.

I think the problem is really that some of the views of their fans are at odds with the general collective 'let's look after the game' sentiment which they are trying to promote. Ridding Manchester United of the Glazers so they can go back to being the biggest spenders in the league hardly screams fairness to me or an improvement for the game overall but that is ultimately what they want if £80m on Harry Maguire is 'scraps'.

The only thing they can ever bring up beyond spending more on transfers without the debt and incumbent ownership appears to be that Old Trafford has fallen into disrepair and needs some improvement as does the local area - which seems fair enough but that's usually about where it ends in terms of finding something else other than transfer budgets to talk about.

He did mention grass roots football and I agree with him and that could be something that could be raised as something all clubs could do collectively but there was little in the way of how this could take place. I would think a negotiation of a percentage of the TV rights deal for the Premier League could be something that could take money directly coming into the game and distributing it could be a good idea.

Honestly, it's a shame that so much has been taken out of the club, but they've still outspent us since Ferguson left, they've just done terribly with it.

I think both points can co-exist. Man United having the Glazers in charge is bad but having no debt, and being able to dwarf everyone in the league bar perhaps City even more so than they currently do isn't really a much better situation for football generally. They've 'earned' their money at least through success and rampant commercialisation but what they essentially want is to reduce the current competitiveness and leverage their status as a football club and their revenues to eliminate even more of the competition.

Said a lot that after my mate got back from the protests and we were talking about it, he mentioned that they "might get the wallet out a bit more this summer" - which really seems to me to be the crux of it. It's more frustration over a lack of league titles and champions league for most of the fans (and attributing that to a lack of transfer/wages spend) than anything else.

Not for all of them of course, it is right that there have been protests throughout the 16 years but I'm not really a fan of being asked to stand shoulder to shoulder with them now that the Super League has been kyboshed. I sympathise with their plight, and back their protests for the most part for themselves, but unless we have a list of demands that fans throughout the Premier League are protesting for together then I'm really not comfortable with the likes of Neville saying we're all on the same page, because we aren't.

Bit of a ramble there and haven't really gone anywhere.  It's multi faceted and very complicated isn't it? But I'd like to see more about ticket prices, grass roots football, keeping the Premier League competitive, preventing badge/name changes, moving clubs from the vicinity they were created in (among many others in a similar vein) over whether Man United can spend more than the £800m they've spent since Fergie fucked them off. 

The only time I personally want to stand shoulder with United is through SOS and MUST when we are campaigning together with the FSA and FSE.
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« Reply #25459 on: May 6, 2021, 08:34:10 am »
The only time I personally want to stand shoulder with United is through SOS and MUST when we are campaigning together with the FSA and FSE.

Yes, via the collective supporter's organisations, like with the 6 clubs' statement regarding the Super league. Many of the fans acting up on Sunday wouldn't piss on Liverpool fans, let alone stand with them.

United fans wanting a change of ownership is not our concern. Our own issues our own concern. On occasion the two things coincide (i.e. the SL).

The wider issues relating to football, supporters can come together via the various fan organisations.
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« Reply #25460 on: May 6, 2021, 06:50:43 pm »
Was there any pod this week on TAW Player or Talking Reds even about the rearranged fixture, LFC response, SOS and fan representation etc.? The feed seems light on the analytical stuff since the weekend?

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« Reply #25461 on: May 6, 2021, 07:23:45 pm »
Was there any pod this week on TAW Player or Talking Reds even about the rearranged fixture, LFC response, SOS and fan representation etc.? The feed seems light on the analytical stuff since the weekend?

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« Reply #25462 on: May 6, 2021, 08:33:39 pm »
A misfire for me. Not a mention of the “murderer” chants at the protests. Fuck Man Utd and their fans. I couldn’t give a fuck if the spoilt brats are unhappy about only being the second biggest net spenders. Boo fucking hoo.

I like TAW, but they are a little sanctimonious at times and are way out of their depth when it comes to understanding the business and finance issues surrounding the way Man Utd are run.


they wernt protesting when they made milions by floating on the  stock market,  and this is the result -and now weve got fixture congestion- fuck em,  vile c*nts
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« Reply #25463 on: May 7, 2021, 05:55:31 am »
Was there any pod this week on TAW Player or Talking Reds even about the rearranged fixture, LFC response, SOS and fan representation etc.? The feed seems light on the analytical stuff since the weekend?

Too busy banging on about the need for “solidarity” with the mancs for reasons which were not properly explained.
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« Reply #25464 on: May 7, 2021, 05:55:58 am »

they wernt protesting when they made milions by floating on the  stock market,  and this is the result -and now weve got fixture congestion- fuck em,  vile c*nts

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« Reply #25465 on: May 7, 2021, 08:07:27 am »
Was there any pod this week on TAW Player or Talking Reds even about the rearranged fixture, LFC response, SOS and fan representation etc.? The feed seems light on the analytical stuff since the weekend?
Presume it'll be dug into on The Weekender and maybe other shows.

Was there an Anfield Wrap on Monday - the free one? Did I miss it?

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« Reply #25466 on: May 7, 2021, 08:14:34 am »
Too busy banging on about the need for “solidarity” with the mancs for reasons which were not properly explained.

Reasons:
- Fan voice and fan media exist to give a platform to supporters - this was a moment to stand and deliver on that mission
- Football clubs aren't solely the plaything of billionaires with semi-interested stakeholders
- Although more egregious than FSG, United's owners need their wings clipping - the rest of football catches a clod from this kind of stuff
- Manchester and Liverpool are footballing hotbeds with giant clubs that provide the local community with tremendous pride - this fosters a kinship (and rivalry) between the two places
- Slagging off the protests on Sunday gives the broader issues a free pass - bad faith arguments steeped in dislike of a rival is Twitter-level grimness

I thought these reasons were implicit in what was said on TAW over the weekend - but maybe not.

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« Reply #25467 on: May 7, 2021, 08:31:54 am »
It’s gone to the dogs since Lizzi left.

LOL. I thought it might have been a technical problem. Read they were switching servers or the like.

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« Reply #25468 on: May 7, 2021, 08:36:46 am »
Presume it'll be dug into on The Weekender and maybe other shows.

Was there an Anfield Wrap on Monday - the free one? Did I miss it?

I didn’t see a main show either and there seemed fewer Talking Reds. There was a good Gutter though. Seems light on the big issues during the week.

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« Reply #25469 on: May 7, 2021, 08:41:43 am »
Reasons:
- Fan voice and fan media exist to give a platform to supporters - this was a moment to stand and deliver on that mission
- Football clubs aren't solely the plaything of billionaires with semi-interested stakeholders
when you float on the stockmrket whst do you think happens you run the of being et bought by misanthropic billionaires[/u]
- Although more egregious than FSG, United's owners need their wings clipping -
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 the rest of football catches a clod from this kind of stuff

 
- Manchester and Liverpool are footballing hotb

eds with giant clubs that provide the local community with tremendous priis fosters a kinship (and rivalry) between the two places
- Slagging off the protests on Sunday gives the broader issues a free pass - bad faith arguments steeped in dislike of a rival is Twitter-level grimness

great pride come from a succesfu team the glazer helpus in that respect. I was overwhelmed by uniteds solidarityand kinship against gillett and hicks during the 2009 title race

I thought these reasons were implicit in what was said on TAW over the weekend - but maybe not.
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« Reply #25470 on: May 7, 2021, 08:45:30 am »
I didn’t see a main show either and there seemed fewer Talking Reds. There was a good Gutter though. Seems light on the big issues during the week.

The only shows that didn’t happen where a few video shows around the match (the image, etc) because the match didn’t happen

Other than that, we had three audio shows specifically about the protest and the walk out, as well as lengthy talking points in two others (The Weekender being the latest, which talks specifically about the impact on LFC), including a show (audio and video) with the head of supporter engagement at the FSA AND a Talking Reds

On top of this we had at least one other show pencilled in with another prominent voice that didn’t happen for reasons outside our control
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« Reply #25471 on: May 7, 2021, 09:08:26 am »
The only shows that didn’t happen where a few video shows around the match (the image, etc) because the match didn’t happen

Other than that, we had three audio shows specifically about the protest and the walk out, as well as lengthy talking points in two others (The Weekender being the latest, which talks specifically about the impact on LFC), including a show (audio and video) with the head of supporter engagement at the FSA AND a Talking Reds

On top of this we had at least one other show pencilled in with another prominent voice that didn’t happen for reasons outside our control
Was there a TAW free main show on Monday?

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25472 on: May 7, 2021, 09:10:30 am »
The only shows that didn’t happen where a few video shows around the match (the image, etc) because the match didn’t happen

Other than that, we had three audio shows specifically about the protest and the walk out, as well as lengthy talking points in two others (The Weekender being the latest, which talks specifically about the impact on LFC), including a show (audio and video) with the head of supporter engagement at the FSA AND a Talking Reds

On top of this we had at least one other show pencilled in with another prominent voice that didn’t happen for reasons outside our control

Thanks Andy. You’ll see from my original post it was discussion of the fixture change, repercussions for both sides, and fan representation I was asking about (not the protest itself). Hadn’t got Weekender at that stage. Look forward to it.

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Re: The Anfield Wrap
« Reply #25473 on: May 7, 2021, 09:10:34 am »

But there is a reason why TAW are sticking up for the protests. You can disagree with the reasons, but your notes don't counter the argument that there are reasons to take the position TAW did...I was illustrating what these reasons are.
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« Reply #25474 on: May 7, 2021, 09:33:59 am »
Too busy banging on about the need for “solidarity” with the mancs for reasons which were not properly explained.

I have noticed down the years that Neil Atkinson seems to have a strange soft spot for Manchester United. Bangs on about how much he hates Leeds but can't wait to talk United up.

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« Reply #25475 on: May 7, 2021, 09:36:31 am »
But there is a reason why TAW are sticking up for the protests. You can disagree with the reasons, but your notes don't counter the argument that there are reasons to take the position TAW did...I was illustrating what these reasons are.

if thos ereasons are to show solidarity to a group that would never reciprocate to make CL Qualifictions harder and have 2  manc teams outspending everyonre then  I hink   TAW are very wide of the mark
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« Reply #25476 on: May 7, 2021, 09:43:19 am »
if thos ereasons are to show solidarity to a group that would never reciprocate to make CL Qualifictions harder and have 2  manc teams outspending everyonre then  I hink   TAW are very wide of the mark

Again, ‘TAW’, it can’t because it’s the name of website, podcast, app and as such isn’t capable of cognent, or any type for that matter, thought, not until the AI catches up anyway

The people involved, hosts, contributors, guests aren’t one homogenous voice

I think what you might mean, is that your opinion hasn’t been echoed, and that’s not the same thing at all
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« Reply #25477 on: May 7, 2021, 09:47:30 am »
I have noticed down the years that Neil Atkinson seems to have a strange soft spot for Manchester United. Bangs on about how much he hates Leeds but can't wait to talk United up.

Would like to see the working on this.

There's a difference between having solidarity with fans and their fight (for what it's worth, I can't be arsed with "standing" with them) and having a soft spot and talking them up. I remember Neil saying fairly recently he really doesn't rate this United side

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« Reply #25478 on: May 7, 2021, 10:13:32 am »
if thos ereasons are to show solidarity to a group that would never reciprocate to make CL Qualifictions harder and have 2  manc teams outspending everyonre then  I hink   TAW are very wide of the mark
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« Reply #25479 on: May 7, 2021, 10:29:58 am »
Again, ‘TAW’, it can’t because it’s the name of website, podcast, app and as such isn’t capable of cognent, or any type for that matter, thought, not until the AI catches up anyway

The people involved, hosts, contributors, guests aren’t one homogenous voice


I think what you might mean, is that your opinion hasn’t been echoed, and that’s not the same thing at all

fair enough its not one e homogenous voice however there wasnt much differing opinion on that particular podcast

dont put words in my mouth or assume you know what I feel h either  Im not arsed about by opinion being echoed Im not that insecure to need the reassurance
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