Author Topic: Jack the Ripper - Identity to be Revealed © (Read 74236 times)

Rox · « **Reply #400 on:** February 3, 2012, 09:57:42 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on February 3, 2012, 09:50:30 pm

Just had a look on the casebook site and it shows PC Watkins beat http://www.casebook.org/police_officials/po-edward_watkins.html

Looking at how small the area he patrolled was and that their beats overlapped, if he'd commited the murders, surely he'd of been noticed on the nights by other officers on patrol? Different officers will have seen the Ripper, but not knowing him, they wouldn't link him, but different ones seeing a face they all knew, surely something would of twigged?

At the inquest he testified that this was a 'single' beat, meaning it did not intersect with other police routes.

rob1966 · « **Reply #401 on:** February 3, 2012, 10:13:45 pm »

Quote from: Rox on February 3, 2012, 09:57:42 pm

At the inquest he testified that this was a 'single' beat, meaning it did not intersect with other police routes.

Yeah, but for him (or another copper) to have been the Ripper, to perform the murders, he'd of had to move across different beats that would of probably involved intersecting beats. He'd of surely been noticed by other coppers on patrol if he was out and about on his nights off and certainly he would of been noticed if he'd left his beat during work.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #402 on:** February 3, 2012, 10:30:36 pm »

What's the thing about Watkins and the doorknob?

Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆ · « **Reply #403 on:** February 3, 2012, 11:56:39 pm »

Quote from: King Brian Blessed IX on February 3, 2012, 01:40:45 am

All the last few great posts have shown me is that this will never be solved. There are far too many plausible suspects. However my money is on Jon Hall's old man.

He's been dead since 2000 and was only born in 1931, blame someone else's dad

Quote from: Drippy Dick on February 3, 2012, 01:51:52 am

My money`s in Jon Hall. The brasses turned him down and he lost it.

Great thread btw

Yeah it was me, i'll refer you to a year older than what Ms Deane claims she is if she was guilty

Moldyman · « **Reply #404 on:** February 4, 2012, 09:10:22 pm »

Just read through this whole thread, fascinating stuff. Hats off to Wooltonian for his efforts.

Rox · « **Reply #405 on:** February 4, 2012, 09:51:47 pm »

Quote from: rob1966 on February 3, 2012, 10:13:45 pm

Yeah, but for him (or another copper) to have been the Ripper, to perform the murders, he'd of had to move across different beats that would of probably involved intersecting beats. He'd of surely been noticed by other coppers on patrol if he was out and about on his nights off and certainly he would of been noticed if he'd left his beat during work.

They didn't get caught liaising with the local working girls very often either... but Watkins did have form for that - and it was something that wasn't (apparently) uncommon.

The Police force wasn't quite as efficient and clean as you're making out there.

Lenin. · « **Reply #406 on:** February 4, 2012, 11:29:40 pm »

Quote from: Cassiel on February 1, 2012, 04:38:50 pm

It's also an interesting name for a German. I can't say I've heard it before. It could be an anglicisation of Rieper or Reeper or even Ripp. All the English Ripper surnames would have derived from the job of being a ripper in a mine. Which is why there were alot of Rippers in Cornwall (insert punchline here...)

Johann Ripper seems to be quite a common name in Hesse-Kassel, John Rippers stated birthplace. Anne/Anna seems common for a mother/spouse of any Johann Ripper

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/search_igi.asp
(I entered John Ripper Birth/Christening 1837 Region: Germany State: Hessen)

Red_Mist · « **Reply #407 on:** February 4, 2012, 11:43:03 pm »

One thing about the John Ripper theory - as others have mentioned, once the name "Jack The Ripper" was known following that letter, surely John Ripper would've had a difficult job slipping off work for a couple of hours to commit murder without one of his co-workers putting two & two together when a body turned up the next day.

Could've done later ones on his nights off, and just used his job as cover if he was stopped & questioned. Maybe he stopped altogether only when he realised he'd made things a bit too obvious with the letter. Any stick he would surely have got about his name he could just laugh off, as someone else has suggested.

Marty 85 · « **Reply #408 on:** February 5, 2012, 12:11:02 am »

enough of this! what we really want to know is, who the fuck killed tupac?!

Dr Manhattan · « **Reply #409 on:** February 5, 2012, 12:13:01 am »

I've read through the entire thread now and I think I'm up to speed.

So.....you're saying it WASN'T Ian Holm?

Marty 85 · « **Reply #410 on:** February 5, 2012, 12:20:53 am »

There's so many different theories out there. I've downloaded and watched a few documentaries on the subject. The most interesting was JTR : The Final Theory. WoolT, have you saw this or heard of the theory presented in this documentary?

Sir Harvest Fields · « **Reply #411 on:** February 5, 2012, 08:00:37 am »

Ive sat with Karl in the pub as he talks about this and to say he does his research is an understatement. He is thorough to a point of OCD

and he has said to me from the start that this is only another theory as it can be neither proven or disproved but you have to admit, its fairly compelling. Dont get him started on much else though please, once he has a theory/idea in his head he is like me and a cat in a locked room.

WOOLTONIAN · « **Reply #412 on:** February 5, 2012, 08:55:51 am »

Quote from: Lenin on February 4, 2012, 11:29:40 pm

Johann Ripper seems to be quite a common name in Hesse-Kassel, John Rippers stated birthplace. Anne/Anna seems common for a mother/spouse of any Johann Ripper
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/search_igi.asp
(I entered John Ripper Birth/Christening 1837 Region: Germany State: Hessen)

There seems to be loads, but if you have a good look they are all duplicated.
There is only 2 born in the time frame (1836-9)

Cassiel · « **Reply #413 on:** February 5, 2012, 10:51:07 am »

Quote from: Lenin on February 4, 2012, 11:29:40 pm

Johann Ripper seems to be quite a common name in Hesse-Kassel, John Rippers stated birthplace. Anne/Anna seems common for a mother/spouse of any Johann Ripper
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/search_igi.asp
(I entered John Ripper Birth/Christening 1837 Region: Germany State: Hessen)

He could also have been known as Rippe (German for rib). It's not an uncommon name and the name he's under on the the 1911 census. The added 'r' might have been added by various enumerators and registrars phonetically. Surnames were a moveable feast back then.

Family Search gives a place to start, but you'd need a research trip to Kassel to find out more. Though we bombed the crap out of it in the war and it's likely a fair few civil records went up in flames...

Mad Max · « **Reply #414 on:** February 5, 2012, 11:33:14 am »

Wasn't he connected to the royal family?

Lenin. · « **Reply #415 on:** February 5, 2012, 12:30:44 pm »

Quote from: WOOLTONIAN on February 5, 2012, 08:55:51 am

There seems to be loads, but if you have a good look they are all duplicated.
There is only 2 born in the time frame (1836-9)

Funnily enough I dont think there is any John/Johann Ripper in Germany,( let alone Hesse-Kassel) on that search site who was actually born in 1837!

redbyrdz · « **Reply #416 on:** February 5, 2012, 05:53:30 pm »

Quote from: Cassiel on February 5, 2012, 10:51:07 am

He could also have been known as Rippe (German for rib). It's not an uncommon name and the name he's under on the the 1911 census. The added 'r' might have been added by various enumerators and registrars phonetically. Surnames were a moveable feast back then.

Family Search gives a place to start, but you'd need a research trip to Kassel to find out more. Though we bombed the crap out of it in the war and it's likely a fair few civil records went up in flames...

Yeah, posted that a couple of pages back - the city archives with nearly all records were destroyed in the war. HIs birth should have been registered with the church though in those days, and they might still have the original church registers.

Lenin. · « **Reply #417 on:** February 5, 2012, 10:49:27 pm »

On that casebook site, they go about (german/jewish thieves) making candles out of (the body parts of) people to make themselves invisible. They mention a contempary (of the time) case of Ritter and his wife being tried for this. Apart from from Jack The Ripper sites, I cant find any reference to this Ritter case. Anyone got a link?

Wish Matrix · « **Reply #418 on:** February 22, 2012, 11:25:08 am »

Just thought I should bump this for whomever misses this

The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society · « **Reply #419 on:** February 22, 2012, 01:20:57 pm »

Forgot all about this great thread, thanks for bumping... however I hear the press are trying to pin this one on Luis Suarez.

kneeys · « **Reply #420 on:** February 22, 2012, 01:50:16 pm »

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Quote from: Wish Matrix on February 22, 2012, 11:25:08 am

Just thought I should bump this for whomever misses this

Thanks for the bump was just thinking about this thread yesterday and was about to
search for it !

Sir Harvest Fields · « **Reply #421 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:22:24 pm »

Quote from: The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society on February 22, 2012, 01:20:57 pm

Forgot all about this great thread, thanks for bumping... however I hear the press are trying to pin this one on Luis Suarez.

Grow up mate. No one said that, just Evra mentioned it and its probable Suarez did it

Rox · « **Reply #422 on:** February 22, 2012, 08:50:54 pm »

...and everyone knows there were at least 10 victims.

Witherkay · « **Reply #423 on:** March 3, 2012, 10:20:53 pm »

Bump....

....and I see the TV channel 'Yesterday' has got a 'Jack the Ripper' programme due to be shown this coming Wednesday, 9.00pm I think.

Probably will cover alot of old ground, but may be worth a viewing.

Has anyone seen it before?

Sir Harvest Fields · « **Reply #424 on:** March 3, 2012, 10:26:31 pm »

Wish i had a tv

rob1966 · « **Reply #425 on:** March 4, 2012, 09:38:08 am »

Quote from: Witherkay on March 3, 2012, 10:20:53 pm

Bump....

....and I see the TV channel 'Yesterday' has got a 'Jack the Ripper' programme due to be shown this coming Wednesday, 9.00pm I think.

Probably will cover alot of old ground, but may be worth a viewing.

Has anyone seen it before?

Looking at a fella from England called Deeming, Australia's first serial killer. Taking DNA from his skull and seeing if they can link it.

http://uktv.co.uk/yesterday/item/aid/650713/displayVideo/hi

[new username under construction] · « **Reply #426 on:** April 4, 2012, 03:15:15 pm »

aaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddd?

? anything new?

I'm still stuck on it being Chapman

Witherkay · « **Reply #427 on:** June 27, 2012, 09:10:34 pm »

Bump....any sign of a book yet Woolt?

OLDIE · « **Reply #428 on:** June 27, 2012, 11:49:05 pm »

Quote from: Witherkay on June 27, 2012, 09:10:34 pm

Bump....any sign of a book yet Woolt?

Was thinking the same myself.

Gifted Right Foot · « **Reply #429 on:** June 29, 2012, 04:18:12 am »

thanks for the bump, it's made my day at work fly by

. dont know how but i totally missed this thread the first time round. absolutely brilliant work wool. the research and effort you must have put into this is truly incredible. hats off mate.

goalspaytherent · « **Reply #430 on:** April 16, 2013, 02:43:30 pm »

if anyone is in the north wales area, there is an event being held by a guy called Trevor Marriott entitled Jack the Ripper- a 21st century investigation....its on may 18th

Roady · « **Reply #431 on:** April 16, 2013, 03:34:03 pm »

cant wait to get home and read this whole thread.

Drinks Sangria · « **Reply #432 on:** April 16, 2013, 06:50:59 pm »

I find it very difficult to believe that the killer would have been a 'J.Ripper,' but I'm approaching this from a modern mindset and have to align myself with the thought that 19th Century Policing had none of the advantages of forensics or documentation they use today. This is a top thread Wooltonian and you've obviously put a hell of a lot of work into it, well done. Would definitely make a compelling book, and there's enough there that it's definitely a workable theory.

If he was indeed a 'J.Ripper,' what an elegant abstraction that letter was. The simple 'the' placed in between names obscures all notice. Media and public would be so fevered by being able to give the killer a moniker that actually looking at what is in front of them becomes a murmur of little notice. This would further suggest that, as has been stated, the killer was probably of a very high level of intelligence.

Class thread, I've always been intrigued by serial killers and I remember being engrossed and scared in equal amounts when we were told about him when I was about 6 or so.

Draex · « **Reply #433 on:** April 17, 2013, 10:56:58 am »

Fantastic thread, Wooltonian hat's off some compelling stuff - I've wasted a full morning at work

Who knows.. I still reckon it was someone important like a copper - why else wont they release the files?

[new username under construction] · « **Reply #434 on:** March 8, 2014, 08:40:21 pm »

Yeah don't get excited, just bumping it to see if anything new had happened

Welshred · « **Reply #435 on:** March 8, 2014, 08:40:49 pm »

I loved reading this thread when Woolie was going through it!

Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆ · « **Reply #436 on:** March 9, 2014, 05:36:18 pm »

I was in Hanbury Street yesterday. Long as i'm not now a suspect...

The 5th Benitle · « **Reply #437 on:** March 10, 2014, 11:51:23 am »

Can't believe I never saw this ripper of a thread. Brilliant stuff Karl.

Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆ · « **Reply #438 on:** March 11, 2014, 10:16:12 pm »

Said to Karl last night that I'd re-read his thread.

Ciara (with a capital "C") · « **Reply #439 on:** March 12, 2014, 09:46:51 am »

My fiancée took me on one of those Jack the Ripper tours of East London, around Shoreditch and Spitalfields - very interesting! The lady who took the tour works for the MET, and the BBC, researching Jack the Ripper. It was very interesting, she was incredibly knowledgeable on the subject but I got the impression that 'Jack The Ripper' was someone people were almost in awe of, rather than the fact he was a serial killer.

I can't wait to go back and read this thread!

EDIT: I haven't read this thread yet, but my initial reaction from being on the tour was 'Why weren't police officers under suspicion?' I don't know if it has been raised in this thread, but she didn't mention that possibility it could have been someone from the police force.