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Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« on: March 15, 2024, 12:42:55 pm »
PROPER write up, by the one and only Jackh - great job mate


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Manchester United vs Liverpool

15:30, Sunday 17th March
Old Trafford, Trafford
FA Cup Quarter Final
Referee: John Brooks

Liverpool make their first of two visits to Old Trafford within a matter of weeks this weekend, as Manchester United host an FA Cup Quarter Final match that brings together the nation’s greatest footballing rivals. Erik ten Hag’s side beat Nottingham Forest three weeks ago to progress to this stage of the competition, but lost their league games either side of that fixture (home to Fulham and away to Manchester City) before beating Everton last weekend. Jürgen Klopp’s side beat Southampton in the Fifth Round, prior to which they won the League Cup before league matches that saw them beat Nottingham Forest away from home and draw with Manchester City at Anfield – that latter fixture sandwiched between legs of a Europa League tie with Sparta Prague that was resolved 11-2 in Liverpool’s favour. Form and – frankly – quality should make the Reds favourites to claim victory over their famous rivals, but United’s schedule has been lighter and this fixture represents an opportunity both to keep their trophy hopes alive & to diminish the silverware aspirations of their visitors.




The sides last met in mid-December, playing out a goalless draw at Anfield, whilst their previous FA Cup meeting was a Fourth Round tie at Old Trafford three years ago – Mohamed Salah scored a goal in each half, but goals from Mason Greenwood, Marcus Rashford, and Bruno Fernandes secured a 3-2 victory for the home side (they progressed through the following round with a victory over West Ham United before being knocked out at the Quarter Final stage). This weekend’s fixture is the fifteenth time the clubs have been drawn together in the competition, with twelve-time winners United getting the better of eight-time winners Liverpool on ten occasions – the 1990’s meetings offering particularly painful memories for supporters of the Reds.



Erik ten Hag’s side enjoyed a straightforward run to the Fifth Round, courtesy of away wins against Wigan Athletic and Newport County, but found their trip to Forest’s City Ground more challenging – the tie was settled by an 89th-minute Casemiro winner. Jürgen Klopp’s side fought hard away to emerging rivals Arsenal before two late goals secured a 2-0 victory, whilst his side’s youngsters have represented the club well in subsequent home victories against Championship sides Norwich City & Southampton.



There’s an air of change around both clubs at the moment, albeit with the prevailing moods around the clubs feeling very different. Manchester United have recently secured 25% investment from INEOS owner Jim Ratcliffe, who’s group will take control of football operations from long-term owners, the Glazers. United’s supporters enjoyed great success through the 1990s and ‘00’s, but have mainly languished around the Champions League qualification positions since Alex Ferguson’s departure in 2012. Erik ten Hag arrived amidst encouragement two years ago, but little has really changed in regard to the club’s realistic ambitions and his position – and the sustainability of the wider footballing operation as it has existed for many years now – looks increasingly untenable. The process of change is already well-underway for their Anfield rivals too, with Michael Edwards returning to the FSG Group fold – his position differs to the one he previously held at Liverpool, but offers some reassurance as the club embark on the final months of Jürgen Klopp’s time as manager.



Both Manchester United and Liverpool have struggled with relatively high numbers of injuries throughout this season, though both have seen this ease over recent weeks. Erik ten Hag will have observed Liverpool’s free-scoring habits over their matches against Sparta Prague over the last week or so, and may be tempted to use similarly stifling tactics as those observed at the City of Manchester Stadium recently – albeit to no avail, as their city rivals came from behind to win 3-1. Jurgen Klopp’s squad has been transformed by the performances of youngsters who’ve been involved due to necessity during recent months – Jarrell Quansah and Connor Bradley join Caoimhín Kelleher in looking like they’ve been in the first-team for years, whilst Bobby Clark, James McConnell, and Jayden Danns have also contributed positively recently. Liverpool have already won the League Cup and supporters still have hopes of seeing their side lift the FA Cup, Europa League, and Premier League trophies during the final days of Jürgen Klopp’s tenure – on the verge of an international break and with players returning from injury, a combination of senior stars and promising youngers will be trusted to overcome the next hurdle on Sunday.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2024, 02:46:08 pm by Andy @ Allerton! »
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2024, 12:55:20 pm »
Brooks is a poor ref but so are the rest so its much of a muchness who it was. On all form this year we should be too good. However its the FA cup where the plucky underdog tries to catch the bigger team off guard. Expecting us to go through.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2024, 01:08:58 pm »

Cracking OP. Not as sweary as I was expecting!

Btw the semi final draw is after our game so something to do while we’re held back after winning 5-0.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2024, 01:12:51 pm »

Couldn't possibly have the same bad luck in not finishing these off in good order this time around ....
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2024, 01:13:56 pm »
Andy includes nothing about the game except for the ref. Very on brand :)

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2024, 01:26:37 pm »
Think we’ll absolutely smash these…

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2024, 01:28:57 pm »
Just want us to win i don't care if it's 7-0 or 1-0 just end these clowns season off proper.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2024, 01:39:56 pm »
Konate did not train today which usually means he won't play

Gravenberch did train in full today

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2024, 01:41:30 pm »
Just want us to win i don't care if it's 7-0 or 1-0 just end these clowns season off proper.

Totally agree

7-0 would be nice though

They will go full defensive at the toilet and play on the counter….we just need to ensure we don’t get picked off by over committing.

I quite fancy the idea of a Bradley Salah Szobo triangle on their lindelof rashford left flank.

But the again we might have Nunez v Maguire.


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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2024, 01:51:07 pm »
Referee: John Brooks
Assistant referees: Lee Betts & Timothy Wood
Fourth official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Tim Robinson
Support VAR: Christopher Kavanagh
Assistant VAR: Edward Smart
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2024, 01:54:02 pm »
Referee: John Brooks
Assistant referees: Lee Betts & Timothy Wood
Fourth official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Tim Robinson
Support VAR: Christopher Kavanagh
Assistant VAR: Edward Smart

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In the same game.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2024, 01:54:40 pm »
Referee: John Brooks
Assistant referees: Lee Betts & Timothy Wood
Fourth official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Tim Robinson
Support VAR: Christopher Kavanagh
Assistant VAR: Edward Smart

Thats handy for Anthony Taylor - getting paid for a game he would probably have been going to anyway.....he can sit in his usual seat, next to the home dugout.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2024, 01:56:40 pm »
team i would guess
Kelleher
Bradley Quansah VVD Gomez
       Endo
  Mac        Szobo
Salah Nunez   Diaz

have Elliott,Robertson,Gravenberch,Gakpo,Tsimiaks on the bench. Starting to look stronger now.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2024, 01:58:18 pm »
team i would guess
Kelleher
Bradley Quansah VVD Gomez
       Endo
  Mac        Szobo
Salah Nunez   Diaz

have Elliott,Robertson,Gravenberch,Gakpo,Tsimiaks on the bench. Starting to look stronger now.

I wonder if Gomez starts at CB and we play Robbo.

Think Elliott starts too.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2024, 01:58:36 pm »
Referee: John Brooks
Assistant referees: Lee Betts & Timothy Wood
Fourth official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Tim Robinson
Support VAR: Christopher Kavanagh
Assistant VAR: Edward Smart


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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2024, 02:04:48 pm »
Referee: John Brooks
Assistant referees: Lee Betts & Timothy Wood
Fourth official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Tim Robinson
Support VAR: Christopher Kavanagh
Assistant VAR: Edward Smart
How many knobheads does it take to make a ‘daft’ cockup? 7 apparently

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2024, 02:05:20 pm »
I think being away from home and it not being a league match will have us more relaxed than that league game in December. The way we're playing/the way they're playing you'd expect victory, but it was the same earlier in the season. Should still win though, make the chances and I'll be more confident of us taking them.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2024, 02:06:55 pm »
I wonder if Gomez starts at CB and we play Robbo.

Think Elliott starts too.

With the subs last night I'd think more likely Gomez at RB, Quansah and Virg and then Robbo LB.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2024, 02:09:11 pm »
Mostly interested to see if Manchester United once again play with 11 behind the ball, defending for their lives, scambling to put two passes together, hoofing long balls up to isolated strikers. No matter the result, seeing them in such a submissive and frankly embarassing state always makes me happy.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2024, 02:38:34 pm »
This feels like a free hit in some ways and hope that means we play with authority and freedom.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2024, 02:41:34 pm »
I can see Endo being subbed quite early in the second half and bringing in Gakpo, to get through the Pulis bus.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2024, 02:44:46 pm »
We are away

This is their cup final

They ll have a few players back

I think the main reason why I fancy us is that we have a better manager and they have to attack at some point and leave gaps . Maybe one goal will decide it

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2024, 02:46:39 pm »
We are away

This is their cup final

They ll have a few players back

I think the main reason why I fancy us is that we have a better manager and they have to attack at some point and leave gaps . Maybe one goal will decide it

I suppose they can't really play for 0-0 either.


Ok I guess they can.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2024, 02:54:33 pm »
If they come at us with their hilarious press high and defend deep, where's the midfield(?) donut formation, we'll absolutely batter them.  But I expect it'll be them sitting right back and knocking it over the top for Rashford and Hojlund for 90 minutes.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2024, 03:03:44 pm »
Maguire is back so they will defend deep.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2024, 03:04:21 pm »
If they come at us with their hilarious press high and defend deep, where's the midfield(?) donut formation, we'll absolutely batter them.  But I expect it'll be them sitting right back and knocking it over the top for Rashford and Hojlund for 90 minutes.


Going to look like more diving than the 2020 Toyko Summer Olympics diving events.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2024, 03:04:47 pm »
If they come at us with their hilarious press high and defend deep, where's the midfield(?) donut formation, we'll absolutely batter them.  But I expect it'll be them sitting right back and knocking it over the top for Rashford and Hojlund for 90 minutes.
They'll sit back because they are simply not good enough to play an expansive game against us:

1. Onana can't be relied on to deal with clearcut chances.
2. Casemiro and Fernandes lose the ball too often and expose them to counters.
3. They'll have a makeshift LB who Mo can roast on the counter.
4. The likes of Amrabat and Antony are just not good enough at this level.
5. Rashford and Hojlund are better when they have space to run into.

Hojlund is their dangerman because he's been in very decent form. In terms of their weaknesses, Casemiro is a glaring against a pressing team and Onana doesn’t save shots. If Lindelof is at LB, we can target him as well.

Basically,  they are shite but they'll be hoping to score first to get the fans onside. If we play our football and not get moved by the occasion, it will be half-empty by FT.

Considering their strengths and weaknesses, this will be my team:

Kelleher

Bradley (width to stretch their bus) - Gomez - Virg- Robbo

Szobo-Endo-Mac

Mo-Darwin-Diaz

I'll play Gomez because of his pace vs Hojlund.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2024, 03:08:10 pm »
Referee: John Brooks
Assistant referees: Lee Betts & Timothy Wood
Fourth official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Tim Robinson
Support VAR: Christopher Kavanagh
Assistant VAR: Edward Smart

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2024, 03:08:27 pm »
Maguire is back so they will defend deep.

As opposed to a high line with Jonny Evans? :D

They've got no Shaw or Martinez.

Could be a perfect storm for them really. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they play for extra time quite early on, but you'd think if they sit deep they'll get the fans on their back. And if they do come out you'd think they'll just get plastered all over the stadium.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2024, 03:10:10 pm »
As Andy noted - Bruno, gazpacho, and Rashers will be diving non-stop.

Then many long balls for Poundshop and Rashers.

Nick a goal and pen - job done.


Possession will be 70-30 in Liverpools favor. Shots will be heavily skewed to us too. But they just want any kind of win - ref aided would be ideal.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2024, 03:14:03 pm »
Thats handy for Anthony Taylor - getting paid for a game he would probably have been going to anyway.....he can sit in his usual seat, next to the home dugout.

Kavanagh supports Utd as well
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2024, 03:16:31 pm »
Hope we go strong and put them in their place.
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2024, 03:18:17 pm »
Hope we go strong and put them in their place.

No game after Sunday until the 31st due to the International break, we'll be as strong as we can possibly be
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2024, 03:21:45 pm »
Mostly interested to see if Manchester United once again play with 11 behind the ball, defending for their lives, scambling to put two passes together, hoofing long balls up to isolated strikers. No matter the result, seeing them in such a submissive and frankly embarassing state always makes me happy.

They surely have to be a bit braver on Sunday. Not just because they’re at home, but also because it has to be settled on the day and I doubt they’d be overly confident taking us to penalties either.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2024, 03:25:09 pm »
They surely have to be a bit braver on Sunday. Not just because they’re at home, but also because it has to be settled on the day and I doubt they’d be overly confident taking us to penalties either.
They'd be risking a tonking by doing that. They'll park the bus and play on the counter with the hope that they score first. Their plan after that would be to let the atmosphere do the work.

They don't keep the ball well enough and they are just not quick enough to play man for man with us (slow centrebacks and midfielders that need protection). Even Onana needs protection.

Casemiro's legs have gone and Maguire is so slow.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2024, 03:28:19 pm »
LET'S TWAT THESE TWATS
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2024, 03:36:19 pm »
Great OP. Let’s smash these twats and consign their season to oblivion.

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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2024, 03:40:37 pm »
They'd be risking a tonking by doing that. They'll park the bus and play on the counter with the hope that they score first.

We’ve got to counter that by scoring first ourselves. If we’re at 100% from the off, batter them and get an early goal, they’ll collapse.


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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2024, 03:41:14 pm »
Really want to win this

Beat them and put fear into them for when we come back to do it again later
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Re: Liverpool v Manchester United (FA Cup) Sunday 17th
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2024, 03:55:55 pm »

Isn't the the referee the same corrupted one who sent off VVD aginst Newcastle and was scared to give Arsenal players yellow cards ?
 https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/s/43C90rSe6A