Topic: The Ultimate Music Draft - Live and Loud 1953 to Present Day - Discussion Thread

[Betty Blue]

While we're waiting for someone to pop up, let's try to finalise the rules:

- 6 bands or solo artists each.
- Must be a female somewhere in one of your picks (hair metalers don't count).
- You must pick an artist or band from at least 4 different decades between 1920 and the present day.
- If a band has had multiple incarnations and member changes, please specify which version/era you're picking. For example, Floyd 67 vs Floyd 80. No other variants on that bands line-up can then be picked.
- No made up or parody bands - i.e. Spinal Tap.
- Where possible, please post a video or link to some live footage or a great track by your pick. It gives the draft a bit of added life.

Anything else to add? Speak now or forever hold your peace. I'm open to tweaking any rules or adding anything else in that we've missed.

Suggestion:

Given it's a festival line up, when you finalise your line up you have to nominate the order they appear in from early afternoon through to the headline act and you should very loosely pick bands to crescendo your gig to its epic conclusion.

Sounds good to me. I assumed the picking order would match the order of play (reverse ways), but people may want to tweak that. Maybe we can all name our festival stage too 

[Djozer]

While we're waiting for someone to pop up, let's try to finalise the rules:

- 6 bands or solo artists each.
- Must be a female somewhere in one of your picks (hair metalers don't count).
- You must pick an artist or band from at least 4 different decades between 1920 and the present day.
- If a band has had multiple incarnations and member changes, please specify which version/era you're picking. For example, Floyd 67 vs Floyd 80. No other variants on that bands line-up can then be picked.
- No made up or parody bands - i.e. Spinal Tap.
- Where possible, please post a video or link to some live footage or a great track by your pick. It gives the draft a bit of added life.

Anything else to add? Speak now or forever hold your peace. I'm open to tweaking any rules or adding anything else in that we've missed.

Sounds pretty damn good to me. I'd maybe suggest increasing the number of acts to 7 or 8, because 6 seems a touch restrictive and, though I haven't been to a festival in a while, I vaguely (very vaguely - I may not have been entirely compos mentis for the duration) recall there being 8 a day per stage the only time I went to Glastonbury, which seems to me to be the archetypal festival experience. I can understand 6 though, as I'm guessing these draft things can take a while to get through.

In any case, I'm new here so whatever you guys choose is all good. Can't wait to get stuck into something that isn't football-related on here, as today's result was a right kick in the teeth and I'd rather forget all about it.

[Samie]

Once you enter the Rawk drafting world there is no way out.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Suggestion:

Given it's a festival line up, when you finalise your line up you have to nominate the order they appear in from early afternoon through to the headline act and you should very loosely pick bands to crescendo your gig to its epic conclusion.

Totally agree.

[AndyMuller]

Can't wait to get this going.

[Lastrador]

Suggestion:

Given it's a festival line up, when you finalise your line up you have to nominate the order they appear in from early afternoon through to the headline act and you should very loosely pick bands to crescendo your gig to its epic conclusion.

Agree, well the headliner bit at least 

[Crosby Nick]

Definitely a good time for a draft 

Coldplay - for all your bed wetting needs.

[KingLuis10]

Let's get this bad boy started!

[Betty Blue]

Sounds pretty damn good to me. I'd maybe suggest increasing the number of acts to 7 or 8, because 6 seems a touch restrictive and, though I haven't been to a festival in a while, I vaguely (very vaguely - I may not have been entirely compos mentis for the duration) recall there being 8 a day per stage the only time I went to Glastonbury, which seems to me to be the archetypal festival experience. I can understand 6 though, as I'm guessing these draft things can take a while to get through.

In any case, I'm new here so whatever you guys choose is all good. Can't wait to get stuck into something that isn't football-related on here, as today's result was a right kick in the teeth and I'd rather forget all about it.

I'm happy to push the number of picks up to 8 if everyone agrees. Music history is absolutely huge, so there should be no shortage of picks. I was more concerned people about it dragging on, but if that happens we could always cut short at 6.

Can't wait to get this going.

We can just go ahead with 15 drafters if everyone's itching to get going. It's nice to have an even number for the voting, but not imperative.

[Crosby Nick]

I said I wanted a partner goddammit. A Hall to my Oates.

[Betty Blue]

I said I wanted a partner goddammit. A Hall to my Oates.

The Samie-Nick Dream team?

[AndyMuller]

I'm happy to push the number of picks up to 8 if everyone agrees. Music history is absolutely huge, so there should be no shortage of picks. I was more concerned people about it dragging on, but if that happens we could always cut short at 6.

We can just go ahead with 15 drafters if everyone's itching to get going. It's nice to have an even number for the voting, but not imperative.

I don't mind hanging on for 1 more if it means someone doesn't miss out!

Just excited to get it going 

[Samie]

The Samie-Nick Dream team?

Nick while tempting doesn't come close to my one true partner Prof.

[Betty Blue]

One more thing I'd like to suggest. Though not strictly a rule, as some people are going to be busier than others.

- To add in a bit of write up either with your pick or in the discussion thread. e.g. The story of first seeing them live, the first album you bought by them, the song you lost your virginity to, or the time your mate/old man/bro leant you their CD/record/mini-disc/short-wave radio. Just nice to give a bit of narrative and meaning to the picks. I think what makes music so special is that it's almost always with us in the most important moments of our lives.

[Crosby Nick]

the song you lost your virginity to

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7J3U4Ke0SCY

[Betty Blue]

Right, I'm out for the rest of the evening. We will start tomorrow after 12. I'll draw up the order overnight most probably and PM everyone, so they know when we're starting.

In the mean time, if anyone else wants to join in they're more than welcome.

Also, any opinions on whether to draft 6, 7 or 8 bands would be good.

[Hazell]

the song you lost your virginity to

What if you're still a virgin? Not that I am... Asking for a friend.

[gregorio]

I'm in, lets go for 8

[Lastrador]

Right, I'm out for the rest of the evening. We will start tomorrow after 12. I'll draw up the order overnight most probably and PM everyone, so they know when we're starting.

In the mean time, if anyone else wants to join in they're more than welcome.

Also, any opinions on whether to draft 6, 7 or 8 bands would be good.

6 is a nice number for a draft but I wouldn't mind doing 8 at all either.

[Sheer Magnetism]

No need to decide yet, we can do six and see how we feel then.

[dave 5516]

Still need two more drafters to get up to 16. Come back, Dave....

Sorry, B, I/we went out for dinner, we're on holiday..and I only posted a stage preview for the race yesterday as I was out and about on the bike.

Looking forward to seeing some Fela Kuti, Bob, EWF and of course the greatest artist in my lifetime, Stevie.

[dave 5516]

Just my final twopenneth on this, if there aren't some set parameters then the drafting process itself will be slightly pointless in my opinion. Dave will select essentially the line-up at Montreux 1982 with SRV headlining. Crosby Nick will have V Festival 1998 with Space headlining and I will have a complete mess of a festival, let's say Leeds 2002. No one will pick the same artists and we might just as well send our picks to Betty and be done with it.

And in that situation all that people will vote on, is which line-up contains their favourite bands and won't really be representative of a draft.

And thus to me, that's why silly categories are important. It then becomes quantifiable to a certain point. Let's say one of the categories is 10x platinum album singers. So I pick, let's say Dolly Parton and Dave Picks Aretha Franklin. At least then, we have a direct comparison both with advantages and disadvantages (no jokes about Dolly's knockers) but if you don't constrict it somewhat it's going to be an absolute nightmare.

How do you realistically compare Thelonius Monk with Outkast, Eminem with Buddy Holly, Rage Against the Machine with Loretta Lynn? The answer is you can't. So for me, we need a bit of direction in our picks so it isn't just a massive free for all.

See....those who know music will tell you the highlight of the 82 Montreux was Mose Allison. That was were the LP - Mose Allison - Lessons In Living was recorded.

A great gig captured for all a y'all to listen to.

And in regards to Stevie Ray, he was influenced by that cat I mentioned on the previous page, Charlie Patton. Without the Blues.....

[Hazell]

No need to decide yet, we can do six and see how we feel then.

Yeah we can do six, and then two more if we need them.

By the way, are we allowed to have philosophers, like Des'ree?

[Crosby Nick]

12pm kick off, first drafter lives in the US.

Is the rest of it going to be this badly organised? Just hoping he doesn't nick Daphne and Celeste off me.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Just my final twopenneth on this, if there aren't some set parameters then the drafting process itself will be slightly pointless in my opinion. Dave will select essentially the line-up at Montreux 1982 with SRV headlining. Crosby Nick will have V Festival 1998 with Space headlining and I will have a complete mess of a festival, let's say Leeds 2002. No one will pick the same artists and we might just as well send our picks to Betty and be done with it.

And in that situation all that people will vote on, is which line-up contains their favourite bands and won't really be representative of a draft.

And thus to me, that's why silly categories are important. It then becomes quantifiable to a certain point. Let's say one of the categories is 10x platinum album singers. So I pick, let's say Dolly Parton and Dave Picks Aretha Franklin. At least then, we have a direct comparison both with advantages and disadvantages (no jokes about Dolly's knockers) but if you don't constrict it somewhat it's going to be an absolute nightmare.

How do you realistically compare Thelonius Monk with Outkast, Eminem with Buddy Holly, Rage Against the Machine with Loretta Lynn? The answer is you can't. So for me, we need a bit of direction in our picks so it isn't just a massive free for all.

Leeds 2002 was one of the best festival lineups of all-time, so you'd be in with a shot. Nevertheless, I don't think there's anything wrong with letting people pick what they want (though the decades restriction is a good one). It makes for more individual and therefore interesting choices, rather than 16 fantasy bills that all look the same. I'd like to see people's explanation of their overall lineups and the nature (ie. size, setting, rough set times) of their festival too, once their picks are all done. It doesn't have to be a thing but it would make it more vivid and interesting.

[Lfsea]

Leeds 2002 was one of the best festival lineups of all-time, so you'd be in with a shot. Nevertheless, I don't think there's anything wrong with letting people pick what they want (though the decades restriction is a good one). It makes for more individual and therefore interesting choices, rather than 16 fantasy bills that all look the same. I'd like to see people's explanation of their overall lineups and the nature (ie. size, setting, rough set times) of their festival too, once their picks are all done. It doesn't have to be a thing but it would make it more vivid and interesting.

Don't worry - I know how good the music was - I was there! By mess I was taking about the festival itself. I've never been to one quite like it. The scale of the disorder, chaos and violence was like nothing I've seen before or since.


It honestly felt like the end of humanity.

[Sheer Magnetism]

I was at Reading that year and the trouble was worse the following year. From what I hear things have regressed even more since, but I think that's more down to organisational negligence than the bands (Woodstock '99 was of course a blend of the two).

[Betty Blue]

Sorry, B, I/we went out for dinner, we're on holiday..and I only posted a stage preview for the race yesterday as I was out and about on the bike.

Looking forward to seeing some Fela Kuti, Bob, EWF and of course the greatest artist in my lifetime, Stevie.

No worries, buddy. You're welcome to join us our 17th drafter if you're still interested? Otherwise I hope to see you in here deriding all our picks 

12pm kick off, first drafter lives in the US.

Is the rest of it going to be this badly organised? Just hoping he doesn't nick Daphne and Celeste off me.

Ooops bit of a false start. Pretty sure Chakan will be about soon though. He should know drafting is far more important than sleep.

Leeds 2002 was one of the best festival lineups of all-time, so you'd be in with a shot. Nevertheless, I don't think there's anything wrong with letting people pick what they want (though the decades restriction is a good one). It makes for more individual and therefore interesting choices, rather than 16 fantasy bills that all look the same. I'd like to see people's explanation of their overall lineups and the nature (ie. size, setting, rough set times) of their festival too, once their picks are all done. It doesn't have to be a thing but it would make it more vivid and interesting.

The more I think about the bands I'd like to pick the more I realise my festival will probably make absolutely no sense. Pretty sure half my punters will come for one band then fuck off for all the others    I'm sure I could make a line-up that all fitted together, but I think that would be pretty dull to draft really. So yeah, I'm glad we've gone for the decades restriction, despite originally not being sure. I expect some people will want to create pure fantasy genre specific stages and that's fine too, but I'm most looking forward to the mad collection of bands we'll likely see people put together.

[Crosby Nick]

When can I pick? About to head to the supermarket...Sunday Bloody Sunday!

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

I was at Reading that year and the trouble was worse the following year. From what I hear things have regressed even more since, but I think that's more down to organisational negligence than the bands (Woodstock '99 was of course a blend of the two).

I was employed one year at Leeds festival (can't remember which one). We were installing long drop toilets, same as the Glastonbury ones. This was not for environmental reasons, but because punters were burning the porta-loos on the Sunday evening. Whatever year it was, it was the most disgusting behaviour I've ever seen from a festival crowd, security just stood back and watched as everything possible was trashed and burned. Aside from that it's a dreadful event, too corporate, too many restrictions and very poor sound quality on the main stage (was much better backstage).

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

I'm sure I could make a line-up that all fitted together, but I think that would be pretty dull to draft really. So yeah, I'm glad we've gone for the decades restriction, despite originally not being sure. I expect some people will want to create pure fantasy genre specific stages and that's fine too, but I'm most looking forward to the mad collection of bands we'll likely see people put together.

I intend to have a line up that will as you put it "fit together", much more interesting and challenging (IMO) than a random collection of top of their genre acts. 

[Chakan]

Ah crap just woke up , sorry gimme a minute. Picking first. Crap crap crap crap

[Betty Blue]

When can I pick? About to head to the supermarket...Sunday Bloody Sunday!

I have a feeling you and Chaks will have very different music taste, so maybe best you pick before going out.

I intend to have a line up that will as you put it "fit together", much more interesting and challenging (IMO) than a random collection of top of their genre acts. 

I'm a bit torn to be honest. Kind of wish I could draft two different stages! There are two sides to me musically. There are the older bands and influences given to me from my Dad and there are the teenage angsty type bands I discovered myself as a teenager. These bands don't really go together, but I love them both equally and I don't think I can be satisfied betarying one or the other.

[Chakan]

I have a feeling you and Chaks will have very different music taste, so maybe best you pick before going out.

Picked and PM'd Nick.

Bit of a rushed intro, need to get some coffee in me.

[Betty Blue]

I'm going to get into a lot of trouble for this, but I absolutely HATE Queen. If they're playing a room, I will walk straight out. The only time they have been acceptable to me is when 'Don't Stop Me Now'  was used in Shaun of the Dead.

[Chakan]

I'm going to get into a lot of trouble for this, but I absolutely HATE Queen. If they're playing a room, I will walk straight out. The only time they have been acceptable to me is when 'Don't Stop Me Now'  was used in Shaun of the Dead.

I dunno if we can be friends anymore mate.

Brexit, Trump, Betty not like Queen.

[Sheer Magnetism]

I have to be honest, those were not the two picks I thought would go first.

[ToneLa]

Phew, nobody has chosen JC Satan yet 

[Betty Blue]

I dunno if we can be friends anymore mate.

Brexit, Trump, Betty not like Queen.

This is what's so interesting about music. It's not like football where there are set parameters on what makes the GOATs. Although there are plenty of divides within that. Music is incredibly polarising. One man's all-time great can be another's shit on a shoe. I'm almost certain no-one will take my first pick, as they're not popular in a 'Queen' sense, but to me they are amongst the greatest bands ever.

[ToneLa]

My list has excluded acts of absolutely huge status (eg, no Doors, Beatles, etc) but I've not gone too obscure. I would in theory want people to turn up to this festival